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beachguy in thongs
10-04-2005, 09:11 AM
I mean, do you think we can reach a perfect peace, as a human race?

F L E S H
10-04-2005, 04:23 PM
Yes. I believe we can. Though not in our lifetime, nor in our children's, nor in our children's children's. I think it will take a catastrophic event, like the quasi-anihilation of humanity, or maybe something like discovering intelligent life beyond our planet. The problem is that the people now in power don't think on a global scale, they are still only thinking not even about the people they lead, but only for themselves, for their own benefit. Thus, outdated concepts like nationalism, racism, sexism, and all other forms of discrimination would have to disappear.

But it doesn't end there. another thing that would have to disappear is religion, There can be no peace while any religion, whatever it may be, still exists. But that's not a bad thing as many religious people would have you believe. To live without belief in the after-life, without belief in a supreme being who created us, that is to live in harmony with humankind, with nature. When all the world will realize that humans, and only humans, can control their own destiny, when we realize that we have no higher authority to answer to but ourselves, when we realize that the Here and Now is more important that the After, when we realize that we alone are responsible for the well-being of our planet's environment and all its life forms, when we realize that humans are inherently GOOD without some sort of indoctrination to turn them evil, then we will live in peace and harmony.

Unfortunately, it ain't gonna happen tomorrow...

ermitonto
10-04-2005, 05:14 PM
No. Perfect peace is unrealistic. There will always be disputes, and people attempting to solve them with violence. But we certainly can get a hell of a lot closer to that ideal than we are now. For instance, I think war could potentially be done away with, but it will take a lot of progress.

Mojavpa
10-04-2005, 05:54 PM
Thats an interesting question. I think we should look to our cousins the apes and chimpanzees for answers. Even chimpanzees are known to rape other chimps, and gangs of chimps have also been known to murder and harass other animals for no reason other than pleasure, or perhaps as a show of strength or to establish superiority in the group.

http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kemmer/Evol/violence.html

Do I think violence is programmed into our genes? I think somewhat. Violence is also, in a sense, a learned skill. I think it will be especially hard to overcome our animal-like instincts. We have to figure out exactly when our human ancestors began killing other humans.

beachguy in thongs
10-04-2005, 06:43 PM
I'd go back to the beginning of the evolution of our functional primates, to find where we started killing each other. As soon as we developed hunger, we needed food, my best bet is that your best friend was the first person you tasted.

What could we dispute if we all shared?

ermitonto
10-04-2005, 07:17 PM
What could we dispute if we all shared?
Good question. ;)
http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secD8.html

beachguy in thongs
10-04-2005, 09:03 PM
Better answer.

Ganj
10-05-2005, 07:54 PM
I mean, do you think we can reach a perfect peace, as a human race?

we've already grown past that. a total annihalation of life and the process beginning all over again is the only way.

Ganj
10-05-2005, 07:58 PM
No. Perfect peace is unrealistic. There will always be disputes, and people attempting to solve them with violence. But we certainly can get a hell of a lot closer to that ideal than we are now. For instance, I think war could potentially be done away with, but it will take a lot of progress.

how war is started:
a conversation recorded between the united states and the united kingdom:

*ring ring*
united kingdom: hello?
united states: how many english folk does it take to screw in a light bulb?
united kingdom: what?
united states: two. one to screw in the light bulb and one to masturbate the other while he's doing it.
united kindgom: oh it's on, motherfucker!
*commence war*

seedbare
10-05-2005, 08:44 PM
I dont believe we will ever return to perfection if indeed it ever existed at all.. Man aint much more then an animalistic ape. there is too much want and need and lack in this world to ever have peace, someday the planet of the ape masters may come back and say ''my god they can talk''

beachguy in thongs
10-05-2005, 08:58 PM
What if people brought their PlayStation2's over to prisoners-of-war abroad? Or bored and homeless children in Zaire?

andruejaysin
10-06-2005, 09:39 PM
Good luck, we are chimps with nucleur weapons.

beachguy in thongs
10-06-2005, 09:42 PM
Chimps can learn, too.

emeraldcalm
10-08-2005, 01:23 PM
I dont know if you guys have heard about the bonobo chimps but they are quite different from other chimpanzees. Their societies are dominated by females and instead of engaging in agression they have a lot of sex - both heterosexual and homosexual sex. I dont think rape is an element of their sexual lives.

weirdo79
10-08-2005, 03:25 PM
Theres alot more than just bonobo's that are sentient and matriarchal :), Hell even humans in a married couple ;)

beachguy in thongs
10-08-2005, 03:34 PM
I dont know if you guys have heard about the bonobo chimps but they are quite different from other chimpanzees. Their societies are dominated by females and instead of engaging in agression they have a lot of sex - both heterosexual and homosexual sex. I dont think rape is an element of their sexual lives.


Thanks for pointing that out. Hey, by the way, you wouldn't be related to LakeEmeraldcalm, or emeraldPointcalm, would ya'?

GHoSToKeR
10-08-2005, 05:54 PM
Cool question. I wouldn't be able to get through each day without the hope that we'll eventually just fucking think for a second. But do I believe it's ever gonna happen? Not really. Do I want it to? Of course.

I don't know.. I just don't see how humans will ever be able to not fight, not harm... I mean, i'm not saying it's human nature to do these things but it's almost embedded in our psyche from the moment we can talk. We've dug ourselves into one hell of a hole and it'll take something uprecedented to dig us out.

Ousted
10-08-2005, 07:01 PM
I dont think so. Man is much too curious to be a passive do-gooder from birth to death.
As long as man is curious, and willing to test the limits (which is not something thats frowned upon, really) then there will be conflict. We have a desire to experience things for ourselves, like doing drugs for instance. We all know the negatives with doing drugs, we all know our choice to do drugs may have a negative effect on ourselves or society...but we choose to experience and take the risk.
Just as those who have sex without protection know the risks...
Just as those who fuck their best friends boyfriend know the risks...
Just as those who lie to the faces of those they love know the risks...
Just as those who dare to wear a hair scrunchie in public hopefully know the risks, lol...


Perfection usually requires adding nothing, only taking away. Like when making a sculpture. And like a sculpture to maintain that perfection, you can add nothing.
It would be a very uninteresting, drab existance, imo.

GHoSToKeR
10-08-2005, 09:46 PM
Unless, some time in the future, we find a way to genetically engineer people in such a way that they can only do good and all sorts of nice things.. I think that's the scientific name for it. Then we'd have no choice because we wouldn't be able to do any different. Within a few generations the whole Earth would be a utopia. I don't know if I just used that word in the right context.. I thought about it for a while but got distracted so I forgot to actually decide whether I had or not. How do you use the word utopia or utopian in the right context, anyway!?

Man that would be so cool. I don't even know if I made sense but i'm so high that, like, I made sense to me, you know? Yeah..

sMOkeY bOB
10-09-2005, 05:08 AM
peace on earth wont happen until assholes like bush and and fuck wit dude from zimbabwe get put in there place, its peeple like that that get on thier freekn power trips and start takin lives n shit without thinkin of the consequences its these peeple that nead to be taken down a notch before we can even hope of living in peace,

and as for crime and raping and murders and shit like that i jus cant understand y sum1 culd actually do that and think that its ok and a normal thing to do,
as sum1 put it before we push the limits to see wat we can get away with, and as long as peeple keep trying to push the limits there is no hope for world peace

beachguy in thongs
10-09-2005, 06:21 AM
Just as those who have sex without protection know the risks...
Just as those who fuck their best friends boyfriend know the risks...
Just as those who lie to the faces of those they love know the risks...
Just as those who dare to wear a hair scrunchie in public hopefully know the risks, lol...


It would be a very uninteresting, drab existance, imo.

I've had sex without protection, paid the consequences, and then found freedom.

I've fucked my best friend's girl.

I lie to protect others for their own benefit.

When I wear my scrunchie, I'm always aware of the risks.

And the future can't be drab if we're all gonna smoke pot.

beachguy in thongs
10-09-2005, 06:23 AM
peace on earth wont happen until assholes like bush and and fuck wit dude from zimbabwe get put in there place, its peeple like that that get on thier freekn power trips and start takin lives n shit without thinkin of the consequences its these peeple that nead to be taken down a notch before we can even hope of living in peace,

and as for crime and raping and murders and shit like that i jus cant understand y sum1 culd actually do that and think that its ok and a normal thing to do,
as sum1 put it before we push the limits to see wat we can get away with, and as long as peeple keep trying to push the limits there is no hope for world peace

Peace on Earth won't happen until we stop talking shit.

beachguy in thongs
10-09-2005, 06:24 AM
Man that would be so cool.

Stoker!!!

beachguy in thongs
10-09-2005, 07:02 AM
Would you sacrifice your troubles, and your anger, if God brought back all the dead souls from your past?

weirdo79
10-09-2005, 10:32 PM
famous last words uttered by many curious human beings.


What does this do

Is that some sort of animal

it's not poisonous

I've done this a million times before

So the lion temporarily tranquilized by this......hey

Do I hold it this way around

Smells fine...

Dont worry they'll stop

and of course the one the majority of us probably say just before we go,

"Oh $#@%!(insert favourite expletive here)"

beachguy in thongs
10-10-2005, 01:27 AM
lol, weirdo

emeraldcalm
10-10-2005, 08:22 AM
Thanks for pointing that out. Hey, by the way, you wouldn't be related to LakeEmeraldcalm, or emeraldPointcalm, would ya'?

No, I am not related to them. :)

Polymirize
10-25-2005, 07:53 AM
he missed the best last word of all: oops!

But under the main heading. Of course it's possible. the only real question is will we evolve to the point where we're capable of it before we destroy ourselves.

That's all given, the rest is interpretation. I live my life having made the decision to see the glass as half full...

Where do you stand on humanity?

beachguy in thongs
10-25-2005, 01:53 PM
I believe that every single person on this Earth is an Angel. And when we realize that, we will start to live like angels, and maybe up to God's satisfaction, granting us immunity from Death.

WalkaWalka
10-27-2005, 05:09 AM
basically people will always fight becuase people band together best bet is not to worry about it and I wouldn't be joining the milatary becuase these next couple of years are going to suck...

slipknotpsycho
10-27-2005, 05:40 AM
i'm sad to say no...we're always going to have atleast one biggot/racists/asshole/prick left in this world, as long as atleast one exists we will not be at perfect peace...

beachguy in thongs
10-27-2005, 11:30 AM
I think that after a generation of drowning our cells in Cannibus-smoke, a lot of our inhibitions will cease to exist, as well as Our faulty traits.

daves19
10-27-2005, 11:25 PM
Yes. I believe we can. Though not in our lifetime, nor in our children's, nor in our children's children's. I think it will take a catastrophic event, like the quasi-anihilation of humanity, or maybe something like discovering intelligent life beyond our planet. The problem is that the people now in power don't think on a global scale, they are still only thinking not even about the people they lead, but only for themselves, for their own benefit. Thus, outdated concepts like nationalism, racism, sexism, and all other forms of discrimination would have to disappear.

But it doesn't end there. another thing that would have to disappear is religion, There can be no peace while any religion, whatever it may be, still exists. But that's not a bad thing as many religious people would have you believe. To live without belief in the after-life, without belief in a supreme being who created us, that is to live in harmony with humankind, with nature. When all the world will realize that humans, and only humans, can control their own destiny, when we realize that we have no higher authority to answer to but ourselves, when we realize that the Here and Now is more important that the After, when we realize that we alone are responsible for the well-being of our planet's environment and all its life forms, when we realize that humans are inherently GOOD without some sort of indoctrination to turn them evil, then we will live in peace and harmony.

Unfortunately, it ain't gonna happen tomorrow...


This dude is fucking hitting the bull's eye! Why it may seems impossible for some is that most people can not see farther than the conscious boundaries that binds us...People out there didn't even reach their subconscious limits...
By the way, please apologize my bad english! Learnt it by listening to the simpsons!

beachguy in thongs
10-27-2005, 11:32 PM
What if God is signaling us with the catastrophic events occuring now? Were there tornadoes 10,000 years ago? <-- Question out of left field.