Father?

[mvolta]

we all know priests like a little action from the altar boys, but man these guys are going all out now...

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_272183721.html

[MyAntiDrugIsAmy]

they struck again
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/imaretardedfreak/stainglass.jpg

[ermitonto]

Yeah, Christians like to pretend Christianity somehow infuses all its followers with a superior sense of morals...then when Christians do evil things, "oh that guy isn't a real Christian..." :rolleyes:

[opiuser]

ive found that most christians are the most unchristian people there are, atleast when it comes to following their god's rules

[MudFu]

I'd like to point out that it was a Catholic church. And the most I heard about priests and little boys...well its usually the Catholic church involved. I'm sure it happened in other churchs...A priest done that in Newfoundland and the church just relocated him to another church on the island...but a year later he got ran over but a drunk driver...my, God acts in strange ways.

[beachguy in thongs]

Yeah, Christians like to pretend Christianity somehow infuses all its followers with a superior sense of morals...then when Christians do evil things, "oh that guy isn't a real Christian..." :rolleyes:

E-tito was banned!!!

Christians come in all shapes and sizes. And smoke from weed to crack.

I'm a Christreasearcherian. Actually, no. I'd like to know what His whole being was all about, if there was one?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

who, christ?

it takes a christian, a true christian, to explain christ.

most true christians have never read the bible...


christ was supposed to free us from our self imposed prisons...

he proved we could even, and 2 days later (2000 years) we fuck up and he has to come back and try again.


im just guessing he's gonna be a little pissed if he has to come back here again...


i mean, fuck, our ancestors murdered him over stupid and petty desires for power...


i know I wouldnt ever want to come back without getting a little vengance in....

[beachguy in thongs]

There were other Christ's, but Jesus is the main one. To explain him, from a Christian perspective, would be that He came here and accomplished what he meant to do. He died for Our sins.

I can try to explain him, but I don't care if it's shot down. What other explanations are needed? He'd still be dead, now, if they hadn't have crucified him. Or is he still dead now? Has he quietly lived among us through generations? So he rose from the grave. Where is he? Did He die eventually? I don't even care if these questions are debated at all.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

im still holding inner debates on that...


did he ever really leave his physical body? did he take his physicval body with him? is he STILL walking amongst us?
or is he going to reincarnate into a new body, or reincarnate as a thought in peoples' minds?


im holding that last one closest..

im betting he'll come back as thought, and we will begin thinking like he had... but liek i said, im still debating with myself on this :P

[Sir Les]

we all know priests like a little action from the altar boys, but man these guys are going all out now...

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_272183721.html


We can see Evil is making more, and more defiled children round the world!
I wonder why they chose innocent children wanting a Godly life?

Maybe there is something to this:
A Sinless soul, putting Marijuana back to soil under the sun, for God to have his garden back!
Following the commandments, and upholding the covenants with our neighbors, might make a better world, or the way out of this one, onto another?...being allowed back into Eden?...proving our selves worthy?

Opening the door...Acts 3:21, Genesis 2:15, Mathew 5:17-20, Mathew 7:21...Rev 17:17...the Alpha Begining (genesis), and Omega the End(Revelations)= solving for God by way of opposites!

Maybe something is more than just a plant!
It is part of our salvation!
Do God's will!
Complete God's word!
Follow God's instruction (commandment) honor the covenants (promises)
Love thy neighbor as thy self....makes other life forms important to God!

What is keeping this Evil with us?
Maybe we can draw some lines to Idolatry? :rasta: :thumbsup:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

*SIGH* im going to try again...


evil is a perception, it is not real. you can percieve what a person does to you as evil, but it is only evil to you; and others who share that opinion.


EVIL IS AN OPINION.

GOOD IS AN OPINION.


O P I N I O N S _ A R E _ N O T _ F A C T S

even if only ONE human being on earth has an opinion, and EVERY OTHER HUMAN has the exact opposite opinion, that one person is no wrong.

not to say everyone else is either, but the point is, good and evil are opinions, you cant have mob rule determine what is good and evil, only you, yourself can determine what is good or evil, BUT- you cant do anything about it without imposing on other people's wills. free will is a gift from god according to religion, so therefore if you impose on someone's will, you are sinning.

EVEN IF THEY ARE IMPOSING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S WILL, if you fight fire with fire, you'll only spread the flames.

this is why law enforcement is a sin.

this is why the world is a cespool of evil.

[Sir Les]

[QUOTE=Stoner Shadow Wolf]*SIGH* im going to try again...


evil is a perception, it is not real. you can percieve what a person does to you as evil, but it is only evil to you; and others who share that opinion.


EVIL IS AN OPINION.

GOOD IS AN OPINION.


O P I N I O N S _ A R E _ N O T _ F A C T S

QUOTE]

So you say, I say!

To invoke the Christ into Action, we must complete something for God!
Acts 3:21. genesis 2:15, Rev 17:17...
The fact is God wants us to complete his garden!
Satan wants it destroyed!
These two facts never change in this reality!
That is why this world will end!
And a new world will be born for the good who hold onto the will of God!
It is his will that should be done, not our own!
That is where we fail!
And it leaves open a way for Evil to enter the flesh and act out in chaos!

That Boy was defiled by Evil!..Evil plotted its way into the house of the holy, to defile the temple, and the people being blessed there in!
The act of the boy being defiled is the negitive energy being created in both minds!
The boy becomes lost, and doubts God and Christ!
While Christ forgives the Priest to do it all over again!
I think in this kind of case study Christ "condems" the Evil priest/anti Christ to the fire!
The boy is marked, and saved in the end!

God is making the fire ready!
And they will burn in it for doing what god said not to do!
Time, a double time, and a half a time, was given!

Sir Les

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

god damnit all this burn in hell crap is completely against the will of god!!!


god is compassionate too y'know. though god wants us to learn from our mistakes, god does not punish us, when we finally learn, we will punish ourselves with the guilt we will feel for all the wrong we had done in the past.


god's being VEEEERRY paitent with you people...

people like sir les... people like sick priests... god's jsut waiting for us to get it together.

[Sir Les]

god damnit all this burn in hell crap is completely against the will of god!!!


god is compassionate too y'know. though god wants us to learn from our mistakes, god does not punish us, when we finally learn, we will punish ourselves with the guilt we will feel for all the wrong we had done in the past.


god's being VEEEERRY paitent with you people...

people like sir les... people like sick priests... god's jsut waiting for us to get it together.

People Like me?
And how do you presume I AM?
You don't know me yet!
Because you shun the Bible teachings, you shun me!
The brain uses electrical voltages= force=energy!
Thus it can be positively charged =to God ,or negitively charged to do Evil!
They are actions in this reality!
Thus my statement is correct!
Evil is a force!..a way of thinking, to harm the creation and innocences, and defile the flesh and the mind,to corrupt the spirit of that boy, by forcing them into sexual relationships that go against God's will!
God wants sinless souls!...Evil wants to defile them!
Christ came to fulfill the instructions, by upholding the commandments, and covenants...he became the roll model of a perfect human male, God took him!
Forgiveness of sin, if they repent become baptized, Do the service, and do no more sin!..we all can be forgiven!..we have to make the effort=action!
Thus time was given to prove our worthiness and value to God!
It is Said "time, a double time, and half a time" is how much time?
This is from God!...no one knows the exact time of his coming!
When that time runs out, and we can see the extreme evil being born, God will come forth!
And we all will know he is God...because Evil will burn!!
Before God comes, Christ will return to take the people that believe and uphold the instruction, commandments, and covenants!
The Actions of our handy works will speak for us!
A visual language = the garden restored in some form!
The holy spirit will enter everybody, and judge them on their part, their heart, mind , and soul, and their actions will speak volumes!
So I'm not such a bad Guy..if I love God, and want to do his will!
I have experienced the pedophile, and the incestual mind in my life...I'm questioning the spirit of that Evil, and forgiveness is a hard thing to swallow, if they are going to continue to do these abominable acts onto innocent children over generations!

This priest should be placed into prison for life!
Because for life that boy will be damaged by the memory, and horror he was put through!
All the blessings that priest did, are in error, and need to be addressed!
It is not what I say, it is what the Bible says!
Rev 19:20-21 thrown into the lake of fire!
If this book is the word of God..then Let the fire begin!
Cause I can't forgive someone who defiles children in this manner!
It is pure Evil=selfishness!
He plotted and made his way into the priesthood, to do this kind of damage!
It was all planned out!
It is pure Evil...maybe the Priest in the flesh isn't responsible for the action that lived through him in the spirit!
What is keeping this Evil spirit alive, is something I question!
If that spirit lives in him and many others, then keeping them alive, and locked up for as long as they live, or until God comes to burn them in the lake of fire, Is a good thing!!

God is being very patient my foot!
Aids,std's,plagues and pestilence, are all set against the sinners!
Now we have weather, and earth quakes to think about too!

So God is active!
And his word is solid truth!
Evil will be destroyed! :rasta: :thumbsup:

Sir Les

[MudFu]

Stoner Shadow Wolf makes some really good points thou...What I considers what makes a person good or evil is what I personally think is good and evil. I may not find the same thing as, say, my parents, in if someone is good and evil.

And why would God send his creations to "hell"? He made us and he would not send his own to burn. We are like Jesus, he is our brother and we are all God's kids. That's how it's always told, we are the child of the lord. He wants us to do good and achive the best we can. We grew from nothing and became better in a sence, thou we still make so many mistakes, we still overcome matter others that came our way. We are doing better and in time we will be ready...ok now I'm freaking myself out...

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

it's funny how you can be so right... yet so wrong at the very same time....
les, i am afraid you do not understand; negativity is not evil, evil is nonexistant, as is good.

positive and negative are things that exist only in mindsets, there can be no negative or positive action taken place, only your thoughts can be positive or negative. and 99.9¯% of the time... "EVIL" people have ONLY positive thoughts. hitler never once thought a negative thing, for he did not once see the mass murder of jewish people as a negative thing, therefore his thoughts were truly pure, even if the majority of the world does not agree with one's actions, it doesnt mean they dont have good intentions.

(im not backing hitler up here just FYI)

god did not create disease, man did.

god did not create death, man did.


you know nothing of god, as the bible does not convey god for what that entity you call god truly is.


the bible was made for a people of a time period who did not understand things as we do now; it is obsolete.

the entity that is god is not the source of any negativity in our world, we are that source.


god has never once killed another being.
god has never once put upon the shoulders of another anything they were not previousely willing to take on.


therefore, god does not give people aids, god does not take vengance, god is just a remote viewer and creater of our physical universe, our "map" so to speak.

WE create the diseases, plagues, and evils in the world by giving thought to them; thought is power, the mroe a thought is observed, the more real it becomes, therefore if many people are rearing death, many people will die; if many people fear plague, many people will become infected.

[Sir Les]

Like I said , "the brain" contains and runs on electrical impulses (energy), that is either negitive in nature, or positive in nature!
I can not be both right and wrong!
I either am right, or I am wrong!
There is a Evil spirit that lives amungst us, It posesses us, and trick us into sin!= proof=sin lives with us!
I have witnessed this evil entity!
Or I saw God...Thus my belief in the scripture, and my quest to find God, has extended to other beliefs...Shamanisum, Gnostic practice, and Morman writings!
That seem to explain my experiences!

My yes means yes, and my no means no!
Pure logics!

There is matter, and there is antimatter,,,God governs this...thus there is a Christ, and a anti Christ!...There is God..and there is Evil...they have created these things, by going against God will in this reality!
And in heaven..so there was a war on both planes!=positively and negitively charged universes!

Christ was sent to save, and forgive sins, when they stop sinning, get baptized (cleansed) and become repentitive (do no more sin or Evil) and error corrected in the garden, brings them home to Eden!
God set the stage, and made the rules!
Christ followed them rules, and won the battle for us to see!
Mathew 5:17-20
Tangible proof!..taken away to paradise...he spoke of this place called paradise, and made the pathway to it as a simple human, and he supposedly took one human with him off the cross!
We are to care for the animals, plants, insects, and other living things!
We are the caretakers of this world!= God gave us doninion!
Now...enough said...Lets Get busy planting something that makes us all happy!! :thumbsup: :rasta:
Who is right and who is wrong will be decided By God!...Not you, or them! :thumbsup:
You do not know me, and you fail to because you do not read the scriptures and bend your nee to the truth!
If you cannot consume truth, you are wasting my time! :thumbsup:

Evil will burn Like it says in the book!
I like that outcome!
It makes my suffering worth while!

The book is life condesed to truth!...we are living in death!
God is the final outcome or answer to any direction you take in death!
How to escape this death has already been mapped out By Christ our Lord! :thumbsup:
You can't take that away from me, or change my mindset!
It is imbedded!
God programmed me first! :rasta: ..and I sowed marijuana as a sinless child!
Error corrected, I have been baptized, and am trying hard to follow them commandments, and uphold the covenants as best I can!
Thus I have no worries about the outcome of this world, or the Evil living on it! :thumbsup:
God judges the living and the dead!
Then we will be placed where we belong!
So stop judging me!..and take the log out of your own Eye, before you try to take the one from mine!
Go with the flow!
:rasta: :dance: :D , Do no evil, and live! :thumbsup:

[Sir Les]

Vengance is mine says the Lord !
God created everything for a reason, from the bacteria, to the virus!
Thus God is responsible for these things coming about, because of our disobedience!
If you read Exodus and the revelations, God sends these plagues onto Earth!
We sin or do Evil, and we have the outcomes of these events standing in this reality!
So I'm not drawing false lines in the sand!
We are forgetting we are in care of this world!
All life is dependant on our actions Today!

If God said not to have other gods before him, I ask what is Money!
Money is a demigod!
Forced over our heads to use as a value system over everything living and dead here!
I say life is the true value!
The Idol is being force unto us as the only way to live life!
And that is wrong!
We need good food, clean water, and shelter from the elements!
Thus everything has these rights or liberties with God!
Polluting the Water,air, and soil is in opposition to what is good for us!
Thus over time an intent to harm everything is being shown as deliberate sabotage of the working model!
Earth is now suffering us!
Are we going to change directions?
Intelligent humans should try!

[beachguy in thongs]

You people threw up too many words. The only think I find funny is that StonerShadowWolf thinks The Bible is misunderstood and then says that God didn't create death, man did. Isn't that a teaching of the Bible? I don't care.

IF everyone thinks THE BIBLE is blasphemous, then write your own and see how it does on the New York Times Bestseller List.

[MudFu]

What you have to remember about the Bible is that God never wrote it, only man did. Thus we read the Bible thou a persons point of view. The Bible is taken far to seriously. You are not suppose to read the Bible and then say everything is true and straight forward, if you do then you make your life very hard in trying to do what the Bible says is right. You have to realize that parts of the Bible contredics (bad spelling I know) other parts. This is how I see it. You intreprete it in the way you like. If you choose to try and live a life according to the Bible then good luck, and same if you try to live a life in the ways you see that God wants you to live.

Their are only some parts of the Bible that I see gives pure fact. The holy day, which is usually considered Sunday by many churchs of the Christian faith, is really Saturday. We marked it the wrong day. If you really need proof then read about Jesus's death. Put to death on Good Friday, he rested on the Holy day (Saturday) then rose on Sunday.

You guys may argue about the ideas of God and religion, but it is pointless. You can not force someone to change their idea. And you both seem to have strong belife in what you say. The way I see it God will not send the people of Earth to a horrible faith after death if he truly loves us. Maybe it is just to believe that God is the creator and God loves us. Be kind and helpful to your fellow man. God does not expect prefection because perfection is impossible to obtain. Have faith and show compassion to others.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

"Vengance is mine says the Lord !
God created everything for a reason, from the bacteria, to the virus!
Thus God is responsible for these things coming about, because of our disobedience!
If you read Exodus and the revelations, God sends these plagues onto Earth!
We sin or do Evil, and we have the outcomes of these events standing in this reality!
So I'm not drawing false lines in the sand!
We are forgetting we are in care of this world!
All life is dependant on our actions Today! "


did god step off cloud 9 and tell you this face to face?


if not, shut the FUCK up already, and stop bible thumpping!


THE BIBLE IS OBSOLETE!!!


the words have been misconstrued and skewed so out of proportion from what they origonally were, it's almost impossible to get the message straight.


like i said, you've got so much of it right, but so much of it is also misleadings and half-truths. and a few out right lies here and there... but seriousely, did god tell you himself, or are you just repeating someone else's words? in court that is hearsay.

[beachguy in thongs]

The Bible is nothing but material selected by the Roman Emperor Constantine and Eusebius, whom he ordered to destroy texts and add in content to the Bible. Nobody today knows what it was really like.

[MudFu]

The Bible is nothing but material selected by the Roman Emperor Constantine and Eusebius, whom he ordered to destroy texts and add in content to the Bible. Nobody today knows what it was really like.

I'm so happy you mentioned that. I completely forgot that but I only learned of it a few months ago. That gives more proof that you should not base your ideas purly on the Bible. I personaly believe the Bible is a work of fiction. I have my faith...what little it is these days...but I still have my faith in God, I don't have faith in the Bible...I don't need to have faith in the Bible.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

material = anti ethereal.

materialistic people, people who need a "thing" to teach them, or tell them what to think are antispiritual.


the bible has good intentions, but because it is a material object, it is a hyppocryte unto itself.


P.S. sorry les, i got ahead of myself :D please forgive me

[Sir Les]

material = anti ethereal.

materialistic people, people who need a "thing" to teach them, or tell them what to think are antispiritual.


the bible has good intentions, but because it is a material object, it is a hyppocryte unto itself.


P.S. sorry les, i got ahead of myself :D please forgive me

What am I suppose to forgive?
Your loose tongue?
Or your perverted language?
The name calling?
All these things show me your not worth the time of day!
And even when you are asking for forgiveness, you attach a insult to it!

I don't waste my pearls on swine! :rasta:
So don't put your self in that possition with me, and all will go well between us!

This is a spiritual forum...I have done nothing wrong except quote Scripture, and have expressed my opinion on Evil!
And it seems Evil lives everywhere!
So the opposite exists to it!
Thus the conflict..... :dance:
:thumbsup:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

loose tongue must refer to my asking you, rather rudely, to shut up about the bible.


that's the only thing that i actually see you complaining about in my post.


what name did i call you? what perverted language did i use? how did i insult you by asking for you to forgive me for letting my passion get the best of me?

and a few antichristian values are also hidden within your post... but it's realyl not my place to point that out...


please try to understand my disposition; i can see the truth, i dotn want to, but i know that because i can, i have to use what i know to help people; my problem is i am helping people without being asked.

i feel it is important to clean up after what christ has done.

i feel it nessacary to finish his work, since no one else is, might as well be me, i dont have anything better to do, and frankly, no one else does either.


but yet i am one of the only few that is actually trying to make christ proud, im one of the only few who is actually trying to live up to christ.


im sorry i got out of hand, it's hard for me to keep myself in check sometimes.


but i stand by the fact that the bible does not live up to it's purpose anymore, and that it has been skewed and blown out of proportion too many times for it to work at all.

[beachguy in thongs]

Or your perverted language?
:dance:
:thumbsup:
Yeah, ya got one there, I always thought it was rather perverted... :stoned:

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

People Like me?
And how do you presume I AM?
You don't know me yet!
Because you shun the Bible teachings, you shun me!
The brain uses electrical voltages= force=energy!
Thus it can be positively charged =to God ,or negitively charged to do Evil!
They are actions in this reality!
Thus my statement is correct!
Evil is a force!..a way of thinking, to harm the creation and innocences, and defile the flesh and the mind,to corrupt the spirit of that boy, by forcing them into sexual relationships that go against God's will!
God wants sinless souls!...Evil wants to defile them!
Christ came to fulfill the instructions, by upholding the commandments, and covenants...he became the roll model of a perfect human male, God took him!
Forgiveness of sin, if they repent become baptized, Do the service, and do no more sin!..we all can be forgiven!..we have to make the effort=action!
Thus time was given to prove our worthiness and value to God!
It is Said "time, a double time, and half a time" is how much time?
This is from God!...no one knows the exact time of his coming!
When that time runs out, and we can see the extreme evil being born, God will come forth!
And we all will know he is God...because Evil will burn!!
Before God comes, Christ will return to take the people that believe and uphold the instruction, commandments, and covenants!
The Actions of our handy works will speak for us!
A visual language = the garden restored in some form!
The holy spirit will enter everybody, and judge them on their part, their heart, mind , and soul, and their actions will speak volumes!
So I'm not such a bad Guy..if I love God, and want to do his will!
I have experienced the pedophile, and the incestual mind in my life...I'm questioning the spirit of that Evil, and forgiveness is a hard thing to swallow, if they are going to continue to do these abominable acts onto innocent children over generations!

This priest should be placed into prison for life!
Because for life that boy will be damaged by the memory, and horror he was put through!
All the blessings that priest did, are in error, and need to be addressed!
It is not what I say, it is what the Bible says!
Rev 19:20-21 thrown into the lake of fire!
If this book is the word of God..then Let the fire begin!
Cause I can't forgive someone who defiles children in this manner!
It is pure Evil=selfishness!
He plotted and made his way into the priesthood, to do this kind of damage!
It was all planned out!
It is pure Evil...maybe the Priest in the flesh isn't responsible for the action that lived through him in the spirit!
What is keeping this Evil spirit alive, is something I question!
If that spirit lives in him and many others, then keeping them alive, and locked up for as long as they live, or until God comes to burn them in the lake of fire, Is a good thing!!

God is being very patient my foot!
Aids,std's,plagues and pestilence, are all set against the sinners!
Now we have weather, and earth quakes to think about too!

So God is active!
And his word is solid truth!
Evil will be destroyed! :rasta: :thumbsup:

Sir Les

Heresy! You uphold archaic teachings of fire and brimstone! Why do you choose to love a god who will send you to eternal Hell at the drop of a hat?

You heretic fool! How dare you blame God for AIDS, STD's, plagues, pestilence, earthquakes, and hurricanes Rita/Katrina!

Your god is all-patient, all-knowing,all-compassionate, yet he kills many of his children!

Bah!

[beachguy in thongs]

Funny, I heard of a girl last night who got 5 yrs, with all but 90 days suspended, for attempting to smother Her Newborne Child. So, she's gonna be in jail for 3 months.

So, according to Our Rules, God won't be in jail long.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

the thing about god is he is self righteous, and actually expects us all to be as well... he wanted us in his image, satan tried to defiles into HIS image...


but this is just biblical version of it all...


thing is, the entity that is god is merely the collective whole of all our conscious minds...
both living and dead...


the bodiless minds are mostly strong, much stronger than the strongest of human minds. the strongest of minds are positive. the truth is positive minds are always stronger than negative minds, but they are also the most challenged, and have the hardest time existing, while the weak minds prance around in pseudo powerful mindsets that prey off of others.

it is within this that makes the mind weak, relying on others; however that is not to say that a positive wouldnt need, be offered, or ask for help from time to time.

negs simply use everything and everyone they can get their hands on to get what they want out of life.


the conflict in humans is they think they are getting away with it... so to speak.

they think that they have an understanding of fairness and compassion...

while still thinking like the negative people they are.


no, not all humans are like this, and many that are; are not, through ignorance.


jesus had asked the lord to forgive us, for we know not what we do... i do not need to believe in the bible or ot's teachings to find christ, he is real, his name is bastardized by a book.

quite simply, we go around saying all these things and preaching all these justices, and still we fail to see what we are doing!!!


not all of us, a few of us are waking up and seeing beyond the sky and stars.

some of us are seeing the full extent of our damage.





it hurts.