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09-30-2005, 11:04 AM
Should cannabis be legalized?
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* Yes
* No
* Maybe
* None of the above
Ron
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09-30-2005, 11:18 AM
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Ron
ermitonto
09-30-2005, 11:31 AM
Yes, of course. Nobody has the right to dictate to others what they can and cannot put in their own bodies.
Torog
09-30-2005, 11:52 AM
Howdy Ron,
I voted yes..I believe that cannabis should be taken off the Schedule C list and legalized and regulated like alcohol. Even though I started toking at 12 years old,I don't believe that those under 18,should be smoking marijuana..they should be focusing on their education instead. I know that I wish that I had done less partying and more studying,job skills are paramount..git that out of the way first-then ya can party. However,if the younguns must party-then I'd rather see them toking marijuana,than drinking alcohol.
Have a good one ...
welddiver
09-30-2005, 12:55 PM
yes, should have been legalized years ago.
F L E S H
09-30-2005, 04:42 PM
yes, should have been legalized years ago.
should never have been criminalized in the first place.,...
nicholasstanko
09-30-2005, 08:08 PM
it's illegal to make ir illegal.
go ahead and read the congressional report anslinger made when testifying. legally, the law should be overturned at least until another hearing.
nicholasstanko
09-30-2005, 08:08 PM
oh yeah, and who was the asshole who voted "no". i think he should be banned.
Lily420
09-30-2005, 09:24 PM
Since when is weed ilegal? :D
nicholasstanko
09-30-2005, 11:23 PM
Since when is weed ilegal? :D
good point! :D
GHoSToKeR
10-01-2005, 03:17 AM
Howdy Ron,
I voted yes..I believe that cannabis should be taken off the Schedule C list and legalized and regulated like alcohol. Even though I started toking at 12 years old,I don't believe that those under 18,should be smoking marijuana..they should be focusing on their education instead. I know that I wish that I had done less partying and more studying,job skills are paramount..git that out of the way first-then ya can party. However,if the younguns must party-then I'd rather see them toking marijuana,than drinking alcohol.
Have a good one ...
I completely agree.
However, even though I do agree that if weed were to be legalised it should be restricted to adults only (be that 16+, 18+ or 21+ depending on where you are located) I disagree with age limits altogether.
By this I mean I believe that if there were no age restrictions on alcohol (or any other 'drug', such is Cannabis, if legalised) then mature teenagers would have the ability to try certain things at their freedom. There would be no rush to go out and binge drunk the minute they become old enough. It would also minimise the amount of underage drinking, the same way the legalisation of Cannabis would minimise the amount of Cannabis smoking.
But yes, I agree that, at present, Cannabis should be legalised and should have some sort of age restriction. Though this goes against my beliefs I think this kind of regulation and control is the only way the public would ever accept a full scale legalisation.
Sorry for the rant. Cool idea for a forum. :)
GHoST
death of sXe
10-01-2005, 03:25 AM
WHO VOTED NO? LEMME AT EM
ermitonto
10-01-2005, 04:10 AM
I think it ought up to the parents to decide when their children are mature enough to handle something, not the government. Especially considering that people mature at different rates. My parents knew I was mature enough at 17.
GHoSToKeR
10-01-2005, 04:48 AM
My sentiment exactly.
The government should stay the fuck out of our personal lives. It's not their job to police morals, either. :(
looseends
10-01-2005, 05:36 AM
can you imagine what the tax would be if marijuana were legal? or would it be part of the state tax?
GHoSToKeR
10-01-2005, 05:52 AM
It would definately have it's own tax, the same way alcohol does. And the tax would go up all the fucking time, the same way they do on alcohol. At least I guess they would.
But who knows? If they legalised it might be able to get permits to grow at home. I doubt that would happen, with people like GWB in power, because he'd have to do what his big corporate friends told him to do, and they'd want a big piece of the pie, if not the whole thing. So someone like GW, if weed was legal, wouldn't let you grow it and then he'd privatise the growing of it to big corporations. Probably pharmaceutical companies.
robert42
10-01-2005, 11:08 AM
who voted no lol
Clow Dee
10-01-2005, 02:24 PM
Well of course!
If it was that easy...
I for one, am sick of the government running our lives in the way they do. Id prefer to 'decriminalize'.
ermitonto
10-01-2005, 04:46 PM
Why just decriminalize? Full legalization is what we should be striving for. There should be no laws against products of Mother Nature.
Not only do I think pot should be legalized, I think it should be mandatory. Think about it, you get in traffic behind somebody. *makes loud horn noises* "Shut up and smoke that! It's the law!" *puff puff* "Oh sorry, I was taking life seriously....Oh man, who's hungry?"
Psycho4Bud
10-01-2005, 06:07 PM
This was kind of a no brainer...shit, even Nich got it right for once!! :D j/k
beachguy in thongs
10-01-2005, 08:32 PM
Huh...1 no.
I can think of many reasons why the government should legalize it besides erasing the National Debt.
nightlight
10-02-2005, 12:59 AM
in this society i wouldnt want it to. marketing it would be pretty gross. im all for decriminalization though.
ermitonto
10-02-2005, 01:32 AM
Yeah, but if it was legal you wouldn't need to buy it from the corporations, who would probably end up making it with all the radioactive fertilizers they make cigarettes with anyhow. I think lots of people would end up just growing it in their homes. I know I would.
nicholasstanko
10-02-2005, 09:03 AM
This was kind of a no brainer...shit, even Nich got it right for once!! :D j/k
lol. asshole. :p
Ae...
10-02-2005, 05:17 PM
Yes decriminalization sounds good to me. I can just see how the goverment would take over and tax it beyond the average person's paycheck. Not to mention how the quality would more than likely be down-graded significantly. They would probably still have private growing illegal as well. All along they tell us(the people) we got we asked for(legalized marijuana.)
On the other hand, no plant that grows out of the ground should be made illegal. Just an example that first comes to mind would be Datura. Anyone looking for a legal alternative may turn to this and use it without being aware of the lethal side effects commonly associated with it. All because they were scared of the ''legal side effects'' of using marijuana. This person may say to themselves if Datura is legal then is must be harmless, unlike marijuana which must be illegal because something is 'unsafe' about it. Then again, consuming either of the two should be narrowed down to personal choice.
vessman
10-03-2005, 01:55 AM
yes legalize
doctor G
10-03-2005, 02:50 AM
Please see my post under activism titled A Brief History of the Politics of
Cannabis in North America. The original legislation was fought by numerous
groups ranging from the American Medical Association to the Paint Council. The financial costs of the current legislation are obsecene, ranging into the billions of dollars depending on the data used. Any honest reevaluation of the original legislation will result in changes for the better
Doctor G
Charles Anthony
10-04-2005, 08:33 PM
Should cannabis be legalized?
Vote choices:
* Yes
* No
* Maybe
* None of the above
RonI have always liked the word decriminalization. Those that use are criminals. If legalization is the way, I'm all for it. But I like decriminalization better. For what it's worth, the government that governs least, governs best.
I dont know cause maybe they will sell it for more money or the weed can be crapy but if not. LEGALIZE IT!
weedman182
10-04-2005, 09:26 PM
After you do time a couple of times, legalizition. But let the fucking goverment stay to fuck out of it with there tax and jail.
WalkaWalka
10-04-2005, 11:36 PM
i want weed legalized so i can grow it and sell and the goverment shouldn't have any of their greedy little hands in the weed bag cuase they fuck everything up
POINT
death of sXe
10-04-2005, 11:39 PM
^^WERD
in ludacri's red light district video, he was talking to some shop owner or something in amsterdam, and the guy said that they have the lowest problems with heroin and coke, and that not many kids are smoking. so whats the problem with it being legal? and besides, why can you hate someone who does it when they want to relax.
death of sXe
10-05-2005, 03:45 AM
^^YES I AGREE
Mindfields
10-05-2005, 01:01 PM
the amswer is yes legalize it but but age restriction of 17+ on it
st0n3r
10-05-2005, 10:05 PM
YES YES YEEEEESSSSSSSSSS
1234abcd
10-05-2005, 10:57 PM
FREE THE WEED!!!!!!
hasansabbah
10-06-2005, 01:42 AM
hey thats waht im say
Rationally quip that nigga who cares
fry and fire smoke and driver
Kryzco
10-06-2005, 07:26 AM
Like sean paul sings
"Legalize it, got to recognize it!"
Man I wish it was legal so I could grow some...
They should just regulate it the way they do with tobaccco
the taxes would suck esp in winter tho...
moomoo
10-07-2005, 07:57 PM
it would be great for us and a HUGE tax base!! think of all the revenue it would create. hopefully it could go to good things like for the elderly day care homelessness, education health care you name it! i would quit my job and work in a pot store if that happened!
pimpofthenation
10-07-2005, 08:13 PM
legalize in usa/canada ? ohuhoo i don't think so
canada-->maybe
but usa-->IMPOSSSSIBBBLEEEEEEEE!!!!
Gnomey
10-08-2005, 03:21 AM
I'm one of the assholes who said no. Weed would be so damn expensive over the counter... Look at cigarettes. A pack of cigarettes I remember used to be about 4$. Now it is between 6 and 7. Too crazy. I'm not gonna pay the government for them to allow me to smoke weed when if we just stay smart we can smoke it in secret. And legalizing it would lead to a nastier black market... Potentially more smuggiling and theft and sh*t. Don't worry about the government it won't make a difference what they say... we'll still do what we want.
the dreamz will come ture....let's pray
lol
DazedandConfused
10-08-2005, 04:43 PM
I voted yes because i think that with the things we have legal right now, there is no reason for MJ to be illegal. but i'm just curious what anyone would vote none of the above for lol. it's a yes or no question. but it definitely should be legal.
esrabalamir
10-08-2005, 05:19 PM
ROLL IT UP LIGHT IT UP SMOKE IT UP
Cannabys has made some progress also in medicine so... let us soke eat and drink it
This ideea of cannabys legal makes me feel hy :))
In romania cannabis is a drug and those loked up idiots that rule this cowntry are fascist and ex communist so what 2 ask from them
If cannabis woul be legal like in cannada the rate of consumers will divide
first reason some people will get bored of it and some will somoke it just for fun .. but you now how is it what is illegal it's fun and what is legal boring so... we'll smoke cannabys eyther way's
:D :cool: :D :p :D
HoW hy can a man be without cannabys [QUOTE] ?
Monkey4Sale
10-19-2005, 09:03 PM
Howdy Ron,
I voted yes..I believe that cannabis should be taken off the Schedule C list and legalized and regulated like alcohol. Even though I started toking at 12 years old,I don't believe that those under 18,should be smoking marijuana..they should be focusing on their education instead. I know that I wish that I had done less partying and more studying,job skills are paramount..git that out of the way first-then ya can party. However,if the younguns must party-then I'd rather see them toking marijuana,than drinking alcohol.
Have a good one ...
Marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug, which compairs it to the likes of cocaine and heroin, which in my opion is outrageous, I'm not sure what Schedule C means but It isn't the commonly used schedule.
drgreenthumb1238
10-19-2005, 09:57 PM
I think it should be legalised and have an age restriction like alcohol and tobacco. Its the only way it will ever happen. As for taxation, yeah thats inevitable but perhaps some of the tax revenues could be used to assist people who are addicted to hard drugs. At the moment we all pay a premium to buy weed due to the "risk" involved do you really think it costs anywhere near what you pay to actually produce it? Also if it were legalised teenagers wouldn't have to go to drug dealers to buy it, thus negating the "gateway drug" theory. In addition you wouldn't have the droughts that seem to keep happening in the UK with monotonous regularity, so you could just buy it when you wanted it/needed it. I don't know about in USA but in the UK people brew their own beer and make their own wine and you can buy kits from high street chemists so you can make your own spirits thus dodging the gvernment leived taxes, I'd imagine if weed were legalised it would be a similar situation.
beachguy in thongs
10-21-2005, 07:25 AM
I don't think it will happen soon, with all the arrogance and ignorance people have. The ones who are successful, did it without pot, and expect their children to be just as successful without it. They don't realize how much better not only their kids' lives would be, but how much better their kids' friends' lives would be, just by relating to an open-minded, intelligent individual.
drgreenthumb1238
10-21-2005, 12:17 PM
Beachguy, I think you've hit the nail on the head there, if teenagers had people that were not only intelligent but honest about their drug experiences that would at least encourage a dialogue about drugs. I've been quite lcuky that I've been able to talk to my folks bout things ike drugs, even more so since my sister got busted for pills a few years back, and even though they don't necessarily share the same beliefs and opinions I have, they at least listen to what I have to say :D only thing is I'm not a teenager, maybe I could rent my folks out to teenagers for a small fee :D
Monkey4Sale
10-25-2005, 03:12 AM
Luckly there is an increase in factual information about drugs and the waste we call the war on drugs. The history channel has had some shows, and there is an increase in psychopharmacology books available.
reeferrat
10-26-2005, 09:23 PM
yes legalize itlegal yes
Yes, of course. Nobody has the right to dictate to others what they can and cannot put in their own bodies.
i agree but not for that tired played out line. that would be ok if when you ingest something rediculous you are handcuffed to your bedpost. like anything theres a right & wrong way to go about it. 1st smokers must be seperated from hard drug users & out & out junkies. the myth that smokin leads to harder stuff needs to be dispelled. the 1st drug commish in this country was like j edgar hoover in spades. he worked thru 4 presidents ending with kennedy. hes the slob that had m classified as harmful as h or opium etc. he testified before congress lobbied like a maniac. hes responsible for the rockefeller laws where guys with a couple of ounces were getting 15 -25 yrs in jail. i think places should be set aside for smokers to enjoy. just reefer & hash would be allowed there. i was at woodstock where every freakin thing was going on.i didn`t see 1 fight or obnoxious shit going on. yes pot legalize it. also narcotic pain relievers that people in dire pain need .but drs are hesitant to give out. thing is we baby boomers fought our fight .this generation just wants to reap the benefits of our bodily research. but they`re not out there demonstrating or lobbying.thats why it will never happen. we were well educated & our arguments carried weight. theres nobody now. no abbie hoffmans or timothy leary`s . no music like the moody blues . these kids gotta realize that you want something you gotta fight for it. as another poster wrote they pay whatever ,jump high ,don`t know quality .i love these guys that say their drug of choice is h. gimme a break. reefer rat
Esoteric416
11-02-2005, 04:38 AM
I'm one of the assholes who said no. Weed would be so damn expensive over the counter... Look at cigarettes. A pack of cigarettes I remember used to be about 4$. Now it is between 6 and 7. Too crazy. I'm not gonna pay the government for them to allow me to smoke weed when if we just stay smart we can smoke it in secret. And legalizing it would lead to a nastier black market... Potentially more smuggiling and theft and sh*t. Don't worry about the government it won't make a difference what they say... we'll still do what we want.
You are deluding yourself to say that we can do whatever we want and the gov. be damned, I know plenty of people who smoke in secret but wound up getting caught anyway. You have to get it from somewhere and then you have to get it home, that's when you're vulnerable. Legalization is the answer. Your comment about a worse black market is way off base and as for buying low-grade stuff at the store, Hang That! Just grow your own plants (nothing too drastic mind you, unless you really want to.) You could grow your own tobacco plants if it wasn't such a weak and disease ridden plant. Cannabis on the other hand grows wild and heathy in many parts of the world because it's strong. Legalization Now, Tomorrow and Forever.
1234abcd
11-02-2005, 05:50 PM
10 more years~! As soon as the bush administration gets the hell outta office and a good liberal administration comes in...they will lower the federal penalties and allow up to an oz for personal use just like alcohol and have like a 5 g/day limit..and have penalties they can make money on like DUIs on weed, taxing it, etc...they will be loaded.
10 YEARS..it will be legal in USA for personal use up to an OZ..the federal guidelines dont make sense and they will be changed for marijuana.
daima
11-04-2005, 08:37 PM
Many here are , or seem to be under the impression that cannabis has always been illegal in america. It was legal way way before it became illegal here in the home of the fee. Americans could at one time in our history pay their taxes with it. The government considerd cannabis hemp legal tender (money).
Farmers were once forced to grow it, while slaves were forced to separate it.
dai*ma
Monkey4Sale
11-05-2005, 03:06 AM
Many here are , or seem to be under the impression that cannabis has always been illegal in america. It was legal way way before it became illegal here in the home of the fee. Americans could at one time in our history pay their taxes with it. The government considerd cannabis hemp legal tender (money).
Farmers were once forced to grow it, while slaves were forced to separate it.
dai*ma
Weed stopped being on-again off-again legal in the 1970's. Now it's just illegal. So there, I knew that it was legal here at one point in time.
Monkey4Sale
11-05-2005, 03:08 AM
10 more years~! As soon as the bush administration gets the hell outta office and a good liberal administration comes in...they will lower the federal penalties and allow up to an oz for personal use just like alcohol and have like a 5 g/day limit..and have penalties they can make money on like DUIs on weed, taxing it, etc...they will be loaded.
10 YEARS..it will be legal in USA for personal use up to an OZ..the federal guidelines dont make sense and they will be changed for marijuana.
Why 10 years? The next election is in 2008, that's only a little over 2 years. Also, the rest of what you are saying is nonsense knowing America's history with marijuana.
beachguy in thongs
11-05-2005, 02:45 PM
A couple of hundred years ago, Richmond, VA (or somewhere in Virginia) passed a law requiring farmers to grow hemp. 1915 was the first anti-marijuana law.
dopefiend
11-09-2005, 12:12 AM
:rasta: LEGALIZE!!! :rasta: i will post a 5 page report on why it should be legalized in a couple weeks, been workin on it a while now, view at www.geocities.com/dobesguy/legalweed.html around nov 20 :rasta: nice way to say it man\/\/(pic)
Rizzle
11-11-2005, 12:52 AM
INDEED
parrotman
11-11-2005, 01:11 AM
It is a drug that has a less harmful effects than alcohol, and no study shows that it causes cancer. The only resean why its not legal is because the government has brainwashed people for so long. i know I will prob. never see it legalized where I live cause its Bush territory down in Texas. Oh well keep smoking and be happy, I know I will. :rasta:
CANABIZNIS
11-11-2005, 03:14 AM
I think it should be legalized but not for society to be walking around high 24/7..cannabis has different affects on everybody, it may make some people violent or it may make someone calm..think, if you weren't a smoker and everyone was high an one turned violent would you want them to beat you up or possibly kill you? This is just a scenario im not saying it's a fact ..but just think about it. What is a fact is someone i know smokes and turns violent would you want someone like that around you if you were a calm smoker? lol
1234abcd
11-11-2005, 05:18 PM
Why 10 years? The next election is in 2008, that's only a little over 2 years. Also, the rest of what you are saying is nonsense knowing America's history with marijuana.
Why the hell is it non sense. It used to be legal and its way safer than alcohol and you can buy fucking cases of that...so why fucking can't we have a federal ounce limit on pot like a lot of states.
And I said 10 years because its not the first fucking thing the democrats will do in office is legalize pot. Fuck there is way more important issues out there that need to be dealt with but all Im saying is that when the next democratic run gets into office, I see that there is a good possibliity that the supreme court will give a major victory to medical marijuana in the USA and not just in certain states or they will change the federal guidlines to be more leniant. I am not a god. I do not know whats going to happen.
And also ...Im just puttin out my fucking opininon out there. Isn't that what your suppost to do. I dont get why people like you have to fucking argue with certain people saying they are non sense and wrong and you are right. Why dont you just put your opinion out there and shut the fuck up.
Nullifidian
11-29-2005, 02:46 AM
Alcohol prohibition didn't work either! It just created an criminal underclass that made lots of money, and filled prisons with people who shouldn't have been there.
beachguy in thongs
11-29-2005, 07:35 PM
Damn it!!! Prohibition should end...six reports agree
Six recent reports -- from the American Enterprise Institute, Citizens Against Government Waste, Taxpayers for Common Sense, The Sentencing Project, a Harvard University economics professor, and the U.S. Department of Justice -- point out the failures and steep costs of marijuana prohibition and call for a new approach.
Ending Marijuana Prohibition Would Save $10-14 Billion Annually ... Report Endorsed by Milton Friedman and More Than 500 Economists
In "The Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition" (released June 2, 2005), Dr. Jeffrey Miron, visiting professor of economics at Harvard University, estimates that replacing marijuana prohibition with a system of taxation and regulation similar to that used for alcoholic beverages would produce combined savings and tax revenues of between $10 billion and $14 billion per year.
More than 500 distinguished economists -- led by Nobel Prize-winner Dr. Milton Friedman and two additional Nobel Laureates -- endorsed the report and signed an open letter to President Bush and other public officials calling for "an open and honest debate about marijuana prohibition," adding, "We believe such a debate will favor a regime in which marijuana is legal but taxed and regulated like other goods."
Using data from a variety of federal and state government sources, Miron concludes:
* Replacing marijuana prohibition with a system of legal regulation would save approximately $7.7 billion in government expenditures on prohibition enforcement -- $2.4 billion at the federal level and $5.3 billion at the state and local levels.
* Revenue from taxation of marijuana sales would range from $2.4 billion per year if marijuana were taxed like ordinary consumer goods to $6.2 billion if it were taxed like alcohol or tobacco.
Citizens Against Government Waste: Government Anti-Drug Programs Don't Work
The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy??s (ONDCP's) expensive drug control programs have failed to produce any meaningful results after 17 years, finds a May 12, 2005, report from Citizens Against Government Waste, a national organization dedicated to eliminating waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement in government.
"Up in Smoke: ONDCP's Wasted Efforts in the War on Drugs" shows how ONDCP wastes millions of dollars annually on media advertising and combating state-level legislation. The report's findings include:
* ONDCP "has morphed into a federal wasteland, throwing taxpayer money toward numerous high-priced drug control programs that have failed to show results ... Instead of curbing America??s drug problem, ONDCP has wasted $4.2 billion since fiscal 1997 on media advertising, fighting state legislation, and deficient anti-drug trafficking programs."
* Since Arizona and California passed medical marijuana laws in November 1996, ONDCP began campaigning against state medical marijuana ballot initiatives, which is "an infringement upon states' rights, a blatant misuse of tax dollars, and in contravention of ONDCP??s original mission. The White House??s drug office should use its resources to root out major drug operations in the U.S. instead of creating propaganda-filled news videos and flying across the country on the taxpayers' dime."
* "ONDCP burns through tax dollars by funding wasteful and unnecessary projects. Partly to thwart state efforts to regulate marijuana, the drug czar created a $2 billion national anti-drug campaign, produced expensive propaganda ads that failed to reduce drug use among America??s youth, and in the process, violated federal law. Furthermore, the office wastes federal resources by opposing any legalization of marijuana, including medicinal use, which has nothing to do with the war on drugs."
War on Drugs has Become War on Low-Level Marijuana Users
During the 1990s, the ??war on drugs? was transformed to a ??war on marijuana,? with law enforcement officials shifting their focus to arresting increasing numbers of low-level marijuana offenders, finds a Sentencing Project report released on May 3, 2005.
"The War on Marijuana: The Transformation of the War on Drugs in the 1990s" finds that between 1990 and 2002, 82% of the national increase in drug arrests were for marijuana offenses, and nearly all of this increase was arrests for possession. Marijuana arrests now constitute 45% of the 1.5 million drug arrests annually.
As a result, significant policing resources have been dedicated to low-level offenses, with only 6% of marijuana arrests resulting in a felony conviction. One-quarter of people in prison for a marijuana offense are low-level offenders.
Despite the billions of dollars being spent annually on marijuana law enforcement, use and availability have not declined, while cost has dropped.
American Enterprise Institute: Prison is not an effective drug policy
American drug policy should focus on expanding treatment options and not on prison, says a new book from the American Enterprise Institute, one of the country's most respected conservative think tanks.
In An Analytic Assessment of U.S. Drug Policy (published in February 2005), Peter Reuter, a professor at the University of Maryland and a
senior economist in the Drug Policy Research Center at RAND, and independent consultant David Boyum use a market framework to assess
the effectiveness of anti-drug efforts ... and conclude that they have failed.
The authors note that while there is little evidence that tougher law enforcement reduces drug use, drug policy has become increasingly punitive -- the number of drug offenders in jail and prison grew tenfold between 1980 and 2003. They recommend the following changes:
* Law enforcement should focus on reducing drug-related problems, such as violence associated with drug markets, rather than on locking up large numbers of low-level dealers.
* Treatment services for heavy users need more money and fewer regulations, and programs that coerce convicted drug addicts to enter treatment and maintain abstinence as a condition of continued freedom should be expanded.
Taxpayers for Common Sense: Effectiveness of billions spent to stop marijuana use remains unknown
Despite the federal government spending tens of billions to combat marijuana use over the last three decades, use and perception of the drug has barely changed, according to an economic study released by Taxpayers for Common Sense, a national budget watchdog organization that targets wasteful and ineffective federal spending.
"Federal Marijuana Policy: A Preliminary Assessment," released June 28, 2005, finds that efforts to reduce marijuana use and supply cost federal taxpayers billions, despite no evidence that the programs actual work. "Despite sky-high deficits, taxpayers continue to watch their money go up in smoke funding expensive but ineffective government programs intended to reduce marijuana use," said a Taxpayers for Common Sense spokesman.
The report assesses the cost of the nation's anti-marijuana efforts and the effect those efforts have had on marijuana use and finds the program to have been a failure, noting that increased federal spending on marijuana has accompanied increased use.
The report singles out as particularly wasteful and ineffective marijuana arrests (which have not stemmed marijuana usage rates), the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy's youth anti-drug media campaign, and student drug testing programs.
"The ultimate measure of the drug war's worth is its impact on drug usage," concludes the report. "By this standard, the federal marijuana program has fared poorly. Rather than continue to spend billions of dollars on the problem, it would be better for the U.S. government to get out of the marijuana business entirely."
U.S. Department of Justice: Top cops say drug war is on the wrong track
The Justice Department's 2005 "National Drug Threat Assessment" concludes that not only is the war on marijuana a failure, but police officers overwhelmingly see methamphetamine as a much greater threat than marijuana. Asked to identify the greatest drug threat in their communities, only 12 percent of local law enforcement agencies named marijuana -- a figure that has been declining for years. In contrast, 36 percent named cocaine and 40 percent cited methamphetamine as the greatest threat -- despite the fact that marijuana use is massively more common and despite what the report describes as "marijuana's widespread and ready availability in the United States."
The report explains, "Such data indicate that, despite the volume of marijuana trafficked and used in this country, for many in law enforcement marijuana is much less an immediate problem than methamphetamine, for example, which is associated with more tangible risks such as violent users and toxic production sites." (Despite this, the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy has focused heavily on marijuana. In November 2002, ONDCP sent a letter to the nation's prosecutors declaring flatly, "Nationwide, no drug matches the threat posed by marijuana.")
The report also finds "no reports of a trend toward decreased availability" anywhere in the country ... Indeed, reporting from some areas has suggested that marijuana is easier for youths to obtain than alcohol or cigarettes."
FULL STORY: http://www.mpp.org/reports/index.html
(actually, you can see more of these stories here, but the entire page is here)
__________________
"I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later."
- Mitch Hedberg
Smoking Pot increases melatonin levels 4,000%, yet when we have none, it's not long before we die. Can't we just keep promoting Melatonin production, the best way known to mankind, and live forever? Besides that, it multiplies brain cells and extends cell-longetivity.
He does not believe that does not live according to his belief . -Sigmund Freud
chix4bud
11-30-2005, 05:45 PM
YESSSS HELL YES OH PLEASE GOD LET IT BE LEGALIZED YES YESYESYESYESYESYES DID I SAY YES :rasta: :D
BlueCat00
11-30-2005, 06:05 PM
There were more than 695,201 marijuana arrests in the United States in 1997. This was the largest number in U.S. history. (Bush is the enemy)
Of these arrests, 87.2% were for possession -- not sale or manufacture. There have been more than 11 million marijuana arrests in the United States since 1965.
There are an estimated 15,668 people presently incarcerated in federal prisons for marijuana offenses, comprising about 12.7% of the total federal prison population.
Just think if we legalize it AND they let our enlightened cannabinauts go there might actually be room in the prisons for the murderers!
chix4bud
11-30-2005, 09:01 PM
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Just think if we legalize it AND they let our enlightened cannabinauts go there might actually be room in the prisons for the murderers![/QUOTE]
What a concept :stoned:
NightProwler
12-28-2005, 04:01 AM
aahaha i love the poll results
beachguy in thongs
12-29-2005, 04:16 AM
I bet it would be even more lopsided, the other way around, at an anti-drug site.
RastaKaze
12-30-2005, 05:12 AM
All I know is I would love it if there was a local weedstore :cool:
it's an herb, you should be able to get it at your grocery store.
rebel420
12-30-2005, 11:24 PM
totally legal until 1937
Legalize it and boost our economy! :thumbsup:
Stoner Shadow Wolf
12-31-2005, 07:00 AM
I bet it would be even more lopsided, the other way around, at an anti-drug site.we all need to find an official anti drug site, all register, and all rant and post, and complain, and poll.
ALL of us! every last one of us!
Luketouchpaper
01-01-2006, 07:20 PM
Without a doubt, it should be Legal to have,grow,smoke,eat, or whatever you want to do with it.
Stoner Shadow Wolf
01-01-2006, 09:42 PM
breed, crossbreed, hybrid, industrialize, sleep with, rape, molest... wait...
beachguy in thongs
01-02-2006, 12:44 PM
we all need to find an official anti drug site, all register, and all rant and post, and complain, and poll.
ALL of us! every last one of us!
Then people will be like. "OMG, Here come those cannabis.com crackheads again!"
intheclouds
01-20-2006, 06:01 AM
Should cannabis be legalized?
Vote choices:
* Yes
* No
* Maybe
* None of the above
Ron
Yes, I don't think it should have been made illegal in the first place.
p.s. I would like to say to you, Thanks for giving us this forum. :thumbsup:
Stoner Shadow Wolf
01-20-2006, 08:18 AM
Then people will be like. "OMG, Here come those cannabis.com crackheads again!"1. you're an idiot.
A. we dont need to use our same screen names
B. we dont need to tell them we frequent cannabis.com
C. i still think we could make a better impact if we go to anti drug sites, and work our way into telling them the truth and backing it up.
2. you're not really an idiot, that was just an idiotic statement made by you :)
3. i think i am really bored :(
Musician
01-21-2006, 06:19 PM
lmao who voted none of the above
i cant see any more options lol
stoner spirit
01-21-2006, 10:24 PM
The government should stay the hell out of our lives. Yes... cannabis should be legal. I'd rather grow it in my house, than get it from an unknown source.
arcticspyder
01-22-2006, 03:19 AM
Legalized NO!
Decriminalized YES! Absolutely!! No Question to it.
EminEM1
01-22-2006, 11:34 AM
I think part of the reason everyone smokes it is because its not legal. And it gives them a little buzz cause there doing something bad.
hubblebubble
01-24-2006, 03:26 PM
no way maybe if they relax the laws
beachguy in thongs
01-28-2006, 09:15 PM
I found what I currently have in my signature (80% of Americans support legalization of Medical Marijuana, from 12-04), recently, and compared it to this survey (2005, on) at a Cannabis website, and currently it's at 89% support legalization.
RedRainDrop
01-28-2006, 11:24 PM
3. i think i am really bored :(
I think you are really stoned too... LMFAO.
cajole
02-03-2006, 08:07 PM
no... where would the fun be in smoking or growing???
cajole
02-03-2006, 08:08 PM
there is a type of thrill or rush knowing you are breaking the law
beachguy in thongs
02-03-2006, 08:58 PM
You're gonna have to pick up a habit called "homicidal maniac".
DrSians
02-04-2006, 08:12 AM
And what do those who voted "none of the above" propose?
HuRoN
02-04-2006, 04:01 PM
Why is Marijuana illegal in the first place? Hmmm.....I think what we need is a well know congressman or senator to grow a backbone. Im sure their are plenty of them who agree that weed should be legal, but are more concerned about getting re-elected. I bet John Kerry smokes pot, let's unite behind him and start the revolution!!!
I just rolled the fattest blunt, and I almost dont have the heart to smoke it cause its soo beautiful! I think i'll say a little prayer over it before i light it up in the hopes that John Kerry reads this thread and free's us from bondage.
Euphoric
02-05-2006, 10:17 AM
Why is Marijuana illegal in the first place? Hmmm.....I think what we need is a well know congressman or senator to grow a backbone. Im sure their are plenty of them who agree that weed should be legal, but are more concerned about getting re-elected. I bet John Kerry smokes pot, let's unite behind him and start the revolution!!!
I just rolled the fattest blunt, and I almost dont have the heart to smoke it cause its soo beautiful! I think i'll say a little prayer over it before i light it up in the hopes that John Kerry reads this thread and free's us from bondage.
cheers
Stoner Shadow Wolf
02-06-2006, 01:54 PM
i voteded none of the above.
i think people should jsut out right ignore what is going on with cannabis, be it the growing of, the smoking of, or the condeming of those who grow and smoke it.
nah, im all for legalization, i just picked it cuz it was there! :D
in any case, im going to move away to my uncle's friends' property and live off the land there and help them out and stuff... get the fuck away from humanity's society i've grown to hate so much.
Xylene
02-11-2006, 07:33 PM
No. I don't want a doctor who smoked the night before to be all weedtarded the next day when he's cutting open my chest.
beachguy in thongs
02-12-2006, 01:01 AM
You're giving no credit to anyone, Xylene. If he's smart enough to be a Doctor, I think he's smart enough to keep his job.
Xylene
02-12-2006, 06:47 AM
You're giving no credit to anyone, Xylene. If he's smart enough to be a Doctor, I think he's smart enough to keep his job.
Eh, it was a bad example. While I wish it was legal so I could use it responcibly on my own, I feel too many people wouldn't and would ruin it for others.
Beardo
02-15-2006, 04:12 PM
It has been taken to Grade E in Ireland my friend told me this so its nearly legal over here.
beachguy in thongs
02-15-2006, 07:20 PM
Eh, it was a bad example. While I wish it was legal so I could use it responcibly on my own, I feel too many people wouldn't and would ruin it for others.
That's when other drugs come into play. Marijuana and alcohol don't mix. Any drug that tampers with your heart, doesn't mix with marijuana.
T.i.m
02-16-2006, 03:02 PM
if it was legal the government would just make even more money i vote NO!
intrepidus6
02-17-2006, 02:58 AM
I voted yes, but it might actaully be in our best interest to keep it illegal. It would become just like tobaco, they would spry it with insecticides and use dangurose chemicals in the fertilizers and all that crap. I believe that tobaco would be healthy or atleast not un-healthy, if it wasn't pumped full of chemicals and stuff.
What we need is Ralph Nader to be president! GO NADER! WOOT!
MaryjaneMenehune
02-17-2006, 04:35 AM
I completely agree.
However, even though I do agree that if weed were to be legalised it should be restricted to adults only (be that 16+, 18+ or 21+ depending on where you are located) I disagree with age limits altogether.
By this I mean I believe that if there were no age restrictions on alcohol (or any other 'drug', such is Cannabis, if legalised) then mature teenagers would have the ability to try certain things at their freedom. There would be no rush to go out and binge drunk the minute they become old enough. It would also minimise the amount of underage drinking, the same way the legalisation of Cannabis would minimise the amount of Cannabis smoking.
But yes, I agree that, at present, Cannabis should be legalised and should have some sort of age restriction. Though this goes against my beliefs I think this kind of regulation and control is the only way the public would ever accept a full scale legalisation.
Sorry for the rant. Cool idea for a forum. :)
GHoST
To my knowledge, one of the main reasons that they made the drinking age 21 when it was 18 in new york is that kids would drink and drive and fuck shit up...so they made it illegal till the age of 21. One of the problems with marijuana is that in studies, some found it to be hallucigenic and the government very well cant have people hallucinating and driving around... Plus, as far as I know, there is no easy way to determine if someone has been smoking so police would run into a huge issue of "better judgement", people would be in deep shit if they were thought to be driving under the influence of pot. Pure and simple, it would be difficult to regulate.
As for whoever was talking about insecticides, tainted bud, and such...I'm sure there would be a more natural form out there just as there are different brands of cigarettes, some more mutilated than others...
I agree pot should be legal, but they need to start small, we need to make baby steps, they should allow people to have one plant in your household and at most 3 grams when out in public...or something along those lines, and i don't think theyd be content to let it happen all at once nationwide, its going to be a gradual thing or else...to compare it to binge drinking, everyone would go apeshit once they could do it legally and a certain level of chaos would ensue.
what is the deal with denver and colorado and south carolina anyways?
ps, if we really all want this to happen, we should pull some civil rights activism and get it publicized, reeeeeallly publicized...like snoop-dog-is-hosting-a-tv-show-on-it publicized. who wants to march on washington, just name the date. :thumbsup:
potolop
02-17-2006, 07:54 AM
oh no
dj defibrillator
02-20-2006, 05:23 AM
I think grass should remain illegal but laws against it should not be enforced. I'm afraid of what would happen if we legalized it, we'd regulate it in a way that makes it shitty or expensive or hard to get or something like that.
But then again I tend to be pessimistic.
heavllen
02-21-2006, 08:31 PM
Should cannabis be legalized?
Vote choices:
* Yes
* No
* Maybe
* None of the above
Ron
i think that cannabis should be legal because it is a benifit to mankind it has helped lots of people in good ways in life because cannibis is so good
TriPoLoGy
02-22-2006, 12:39 AM
Wow thats the most obvious question ive heard in years, how bout askin why it should be legalised
CYRAX
02-22-2006, 01:40 AM
Yes.... for 1 reason
i crash more drunk then high...
Lol.
Freshy
03-11-2006, 02:13 PM
i vote yes, and they wouldn't spray it. i watched the history channel (yeah yeah, don't make fun of me) and they said its name "weed" is exactly what it is, a weed. it takes almost know effort to grow. but large harvesting is another story... cotton is easy to harvest but hard to grow, hemp is easy to grow but hard to harvest.
many thanks to our canadian friends who are making hemp clothing.
activedenial
03-12-2006, 12:43 AM
Whoever voted not to legalization is either a dealer, or a cop. Either way, fuck you for voting no.;)
cannabis campbell
03-25-2006, 11:12 PM
Should cannabis be legalized?
Vote choices:
* Yes
* No
* Maybe
* None of the above
Ron
OF COURSE IT SHOULD
and who the hell put no lol
and what the hell does none of the above mean everyone must have an opinion!!!
mfactor420
03-27-2006, 05:18 AM
i vote yes, and they wouldn't spray it. i watched the history channel (yeah yeah, don't make fun of me) and they said its name "weed" is exactly what it is, a weed. it takes almost know effort to grow. but large harvesting is another story... cotton is easy to harvest but hard to grow, hemp is easy to grow but hard to harvest.
many thanks to our canadian friends who are making hemp clothing.
Thanks from Canada. Sorry we can't sell you any seeds anymore. Wouldn't want to be extradicted.
I too would say that the "no" vote is cops, etc. I'd bet it gives the moderators a good idea just how infiltrated this forum is.
Oh ya, Ralph Nader for President!!!! Go Ralph!!!:thumbsup:
duhrickjames
03-27-2006, 08:13 PM
Cannabis is proven to be less adictive than nictonine, and less harmful. There is no confirmed link as of yet between smoking cannabis and developing lung-cancer.
No one has ever died from smoking cannabis.
It costs the U.S. billions of dollars a year to keep nonviolent drug-offenders in prison. The overcrowding of prisons due to nonviolent drug-offenders causes the more serious, violent rapists and murderers to be released sooner, and made more eligible for parole.
If cannabis were legalized today, it could be taxed very heavily and a large government deficit would instantly become a large government surplus.
American tobacco companies will have a cannabis monopoly over the rest of the world.
There will be no more dangerous black markets for weed. Violent crimes related to the sale and/or trafficking of cannabis will be effectively zero.
The sale of tobacco is better controlled than the sale of cannabis. We can assume that the sale of cannabis would then, also be as controlled as the sale of tobacco. A drug dealer usually doesn't have a whole lot to lose. That's why they become drug dealers. When you legalize cannabis and let gas stations and supermarkets sell it, they are going to card hard and make sure only people of age are buying. Why? Because they have a LOT to lose!!
Legalization will bankrupt foreign cannabis farmers. Terrorist organizations that rely on drug sales will be incapacitated.
Nonviolent drug-related arrests are higher in number every year in the U.S. than ALL TYPES OF VIOLENT CRIMES COMBINED!! (e.g. assault, rape, murder, robbery, etc.)
Legalization would let law enforcement concentrate better on more haneous, dangerous crimes than arresting some 16 yearold that didn't know any better.
Laws are supposed to be in the interest of public safety. Cannabis is nore more a threat to public safety than alcohol.
mfactor420
03-27-2006, 10:03 PM
Cannabis is proven to be less adictive than nictonine, and less harmful. There is no confirmed link as of yet between smoking cannabis and developing lung-cancer.
No one has ever died from smoking cannabis.
It costs the U.S. billions of dollars a year to keep nonviolent drug-offenders in prison. The overcrowding of prisons due to nonviolent drug-offenders causes the more serious, violent rapists and murderers to be released sooner, and made more eligible for parole.
If cannabis were legalized today, it could be taxed very heavily and a large government deficit would instantly become a large government surplus.
American tobacco companies will have a cannabis monopoly over the rest of the world.
There will be no more dangerous black markets for weed. Violent crimes related to the sale and/or trafficking of cannabis will be effectively zero.
The sale of tobacco is better controlled than the sale of cannabis. We can assume that the sale of cannabis would then, also be as controlled as the sale of tobacco. A drug dealer usually doesn't have a whole lot to lose. That's why they become drug dealers. When you legalize cannabis and let gas stations and supermarkets sell it, they are going to card hard and make sure only people of age are buying. Why? Because they have a LOT to lose!!
Legalization will bankrupt foreign cannabis farmers. Terrorist organizations that rely on drug sales will be incapacitated.
Nonviolent drug-related arrests are higher in number every year in the U.S. than ALL TYPES OF VIOLENT CRIMES COMBINED!! (e.g. assault, rape, murder, robbery, etc.)
Legalization would let law enforcement concentrate better on more haneous, dangerous crimes than arresting some 16 yearold that didn't know any better.
Laws are supposed to be in the interest of public safety. Cannabis is nore more a threat to public safety than alcohol.
That's a great read, duhrickjames, but what happens to us small time growers - medusers who prefer to grow our own for various reasons? Does it become like the home brew (beer) industry?
Actually, I have to disagree with you on one point. I believe alcohol is far more dangerous to public safety than cannabis. I would never drive after drinking, but no problems driving after smoking.
Eshelmen
03-30-2006, 07:04 PM
Well i`m 18 right now, but even if they could make a law about marijuana just like alchohol then i`ll vote for it... So if marijuana was to be alowd for 21 and over.. .then i`m cool with that...
And if your under the influence under age , you get same consequences as alchohol... no biggy...
busteruk7
03-30-2006, 08:49 PM
it should be legalised cause when we are sittin back at home kicking it back and relaxing with a blunt we are not outside getting pissed making trouble
cheers
toke it up 420
04-02-2006, 12:16 AM
fuck yes
Howdy Ron,
I voted yes..I believe that cannabis should be taken off the Schedule C list and legalized and regulated like alcohol. Even though I started toking at 12 years old,I don't believe that those under 18,should be smoking marijuana..they should be focusing on their education instead. I know that I wish that I had done less partying and more studying,job skills are paramount..git that out of the way first-then ya can party. However,if the younguns must party-then I'd rather see them toking marijuana,than drinking alcohol.
Have a good one ...
I aggree... Under 18 shouldnt be allowed, but they still shouldnt be arrested.
I started tokin when i was 10, and i have regretted it ever since. I did all my education, but to a poor standard.
RevolverBlaze
04-17-2006, 04:44 PM
LOL I had to post on this one. The answer was obvious but someone made a legalize poll anyway. rock on and vote yes
cannabis campbell
04-20-2006, 03:41 AM
its either yes or no what does none of the above mean its either yes or no :confused:
Mark Bryan
04-26-2006, 03:17 PM
I'm one of the assholes who said no. Weed would be so damn expensive over the counter... Look at cigarettes. A pack of cigarettes I remember used to be about 4$. Now it is between 6 and 7. Too crazy. I'm not gonna pay the government for them to allow me to smoke weed when if we just stay smart we can smoke it in secret. And legalizing it would lead to a nastier black market... Potentially more smuggiling and theft and sh*t. Don't worry about the government it won't make a difference what they say... we'll still do what we want.
I say YES! Not just the FEmale,but the MALE too! http://www.ecofibre.com.au/otherprods.html http://www.suffolkhousing.org/pages/hempage.html www.hemp4fuel.com These would be MY reasons!
Mark Bryan
04-26-2006, 03:43 PM
A couple of hundred years ago, Richmond, VA (or somewhere in Virginia) passed a law requiring farmers to grow hemp. 1915 was the first anti-marijuana law.
We have the first in 1619 and again in the 1700s,at one time you were arrested for NOT growin' it!
Pipe Dreams
04-28-2006, 03:19 AM
What assfuck on this site voted no?
S i k
04-29-2006, 02:04 AM
actually schedule 1 drugs are in along the lines of weed, raw opium and LSD and are illegal to have no matter perscription etc in most states, heroin and cocaine are schedule 2 which are allowed in perscriptions, prolly for addicts..
according to this anyway... http://www.addaction.org.uk/Drug_law.htm
no, heroin is a schedule 1 drug. Cocaine though is schedule 2 as you said. Funny, cocaine is legal with a perscription but cannabis isn't. I wonder if any doctors actually perscribe coke anymore?
Euphoric
05-04-2006, 07:47 AM
fck yes should be legalized bnitcvh
skaisdead
05-04-2006, 06:16 PM
I don't have time to read over this whole thread so I'll just make my points and hope no one else already has.
Marijuana should be legalized or at least considered for legalization. Pot is no different than any other intoxicating agent. We legalize alcohol which is much more intoxicating, known to cause deaths, [due to overdrinking and diving while drunk] Marijuana should be made legal. There should be restrictions on it just like with tobacco and alcohol. There should be a legal age for use. The government could easily put restrictions on it. Sure, there would be kids doing it underage, but how many do we have already doing it? If it was made legal for sale and distribution, it would cause major trafficers to loose business making it less readily available to kids underage. The government could take profits from sales and fix things which are of bigger concerns, like our wide open boarders for instance. We're [The U.S. Government] always bitching that we don't have enough money to hire the officers to patrol the boarder, but the only reason for this is because we pass up opportunites like these.
On the other hand, if it was legalized that would lead to legalizing other, more dangerous drugs. Where do we stop?
I don't know what the right or wrong answer in this case is, but in my opinion the pro's out weigh the con's.
$.02
1234abcd
05-05-2006, 01:56 AM
YES
willystylle
05-06-2006, 08:20 AM
in the words of the great kanye west:
WE WANT FREEDOM! WE WANT FREEDOM!
trajo
05-07-2006, 07:14 PM
I voted none of the above, just like a whole 4/584 other voters. Thats 0.68%.... The thing is, it never should have been made an issue in the first place, because if the government were to legalize it now they would either monopolize it so they could keep the limits they will decide to set on the THC levels... in short, we'd never get the rush of a really good grow ever again, or they would only give licenses to big companies, who would have major restrictions put on the availability of seeds and clones.
What we need is for the "authorities" to basically forget that pot even exists. Or just leave it alone like other flowers.
JiGGabOo
05-08-2006, 02:15 AM
wtf this is the dumbest poll.... OF COURSE IT SHOULD BE LEGALIZED!!! this is a weed forum...what stupidass votes no
IanCurtisWishlist
05-09-2006, 07:21 PM
hell no weed should not be legalized. it is a very very dangerous gateway narcotic drug. i can say from personal experience, from the moment i took my first puff, that i instantly craved heroin and crack cocaine. Now I wish I would have listened to my DARE officer because smoking weed just isn't enough for me anymore. I guess you could say that right when I took the first hit, BAM! track marks instantly appear on my arms..
foolsgold
05-10-2006, 09:34 PM
I think i shoulden't be legalized i think it should be decriminalized like in Holland
BestTonicIsChronic
05-11-2006, 12:49 AM
No matter how much you argue this subject heres what you have to know, THE GOVERNEMNT WILL NEVER LEGALIZE POT!!! You know how bad it would make them look to ALL the sober people out there. They would be out of office, and the law would be changed SO FUCKIN FAST. No matter Canada or the USA they will never legalize it, maybe just maybe decriminalize it, but no legalize it so you can have clubs n shit to toke.
kush07
05-12-2006, 06:24 PM
I am going to say decriminalize it, not legalize. Why not legalize? Well, if it was legalized the restrictions put on it would be pretty severe. Only big corporations, like Malboro, and believe me they would be the first to get a liscence, would get a liscence. Then the cannabis plant would have been tarnished because all these corporations would treat it like tobacco and put a bunch of other addicting chemicals in with it. I just think it should be a law that is not enforced. Like a Hawaiin law that says its illegal to wear a penny behind your ear. Something like that.
Happy Toking :rasta:
harmonicminor
05-13-2006, 02:28 PM
it should be more than legalized, it should be totally decriminalized :thumbsup:
fuck it if big biz deosnt like it. they should pick up a shovel and actually work for a fucking living
hey I just read the above post after I posted my answer
Gumby
05-13-2006, 09:11 PM
no, heroin is a schedule 1 drug. Cocaine though is schedule 2 as you said. Funny, cocaine is legal with a perscription but cannabis isn't. I wonder if any doctors actually perscribe coke anymore?
The US government isn't the largest importer of Coke and Herion for nothing... what do you think are in all those pills that doctors hand out? it's ot something they made up... 90% of the pills they perscribe have either, opium or coke in them... they just give them a cool name and pay dortocs to pass it out.. look into drug drugs, it's all there... why do you think people pop pills so much?? It's the same thing, just another way the government makes money off it...
gromorebud
05-16-2006, 07:09 PM
i just had 31 Blue Berry plants stolen from my home by the dirty backstabbin goverment gangsta's,dont know if i gotta go to court yet tho,fuckin gutted..3 weks into flower :(
CBsDankNugs
05-17-2006, 01:56 AM
leagalize then everyone could grow it anywhere and prices would be soo low. the only problem is the government putting regulations and taxes but it would be better then it is now
Relic2279
05-21-2006, 11:02 PM
An acquaintance of mine, (I wouldn't call him a friend, and you will soon read why) had this same discussion. The legalization of MJ.
I was for it, he was stone cold against it. He is a small time grower/dealer. I was stunned to hear him say that, so I ask why. He proceeds to tell me that it would put him out of business. He tells me that he sells about a tad over a pound a month. He charges normal prices, I've purchased off him on a few occassions when my supplies were running out, usual prices, 30/60. Thats close to 4k a month which is almost 50k a year, (whoah never did the math before, thats alot of cash)
He says that legalization would make him homeless. That "selling pot since he was 16" is the only thing he knows. I'm sure there are alot of people that are here of this mindset considering most people here, but talking about selling their wares is taboo. I believe that if it's legal, prices would drop considering any "joe shmoe" and "grandma bee" would be able to grow it.
make it legal
05-24-2006, 07:35 PM
hell no weed should not be legalized. it is a very very dangerous gateway narcotic drug. i can say from personal experience, from the moment i took my first puff, that i instantly craved heroin and crack cocaine. Now I wish I would have listened to my DARE officer because smoking weed just isn't enough for me anymore. I guess you could say that right when I took the first hit, BAM! track marks instantly appear on my arms..
your an idiot because enough people already use it already and the percentage of people who use it in holland is less than in the US. Legalizing wont do shit to the amount of user exept make it less.
hydroponicphx
05-25-2006, 03:41 AM
By this I mean I believe that if there were no age restrictions on alcohol (or any other 'drug', such is Cannabis, if legalised) then mature teenagers would have the ability to try certain things at their freedom. There would be no rush to go out and binge drunk the minute they become old enough. It would also minimise the amount of underage drinking, the same way the legalisation of Cannabis would minimise the amount of Cannabis smoking.
I definitely agree with this. A guy I work with is from South Africa and the ages are much younger than here, I dont remember if there were any at all. He said that most kids are responsible about it there, although their society was MUCH different from ours.
Anyways,
I think bud should be legalized without question. Although I think that the govt. should keep their noses out of the lives of marijuana smokers and stop wasting our tax money! I dont think they higher ups could handle that though! haha! America wouldnt be where it is now without the hemp plant!
Just my .02
cannabis campbell
05-25-2006, 09:53 AM
Y E S
smokesalot
05-30-2006, 09:44 AM
YES i think it should be it would one of the best things ever done for the war on drugs pot prices would plumit and a new wide spread job field would be created of people selling us the shit to grow our own bud liegit
beachguy in thongs
05-30-2006, 05:57 PM
What a shame?!?!?!
40 "No" answers and 29 "Maybe" answers.
It shows how open minded those against legalization are.
Hollandica
06-02-2006, 11:22 AM
It would decriminalize the pot-world like it does in the Netherlands. Marijuana dealers would be less violent, the pot could be controlled, better addiction help, stuff like that. It seperates soft-drugs like marijuana from the harddrugs, like cocaine and heroin. Easy.
Them dutch aren't crazy after all haha
beachguy in thongs
06-02-2006, 02:17 PM
It would decriminalize the pot-world like it does in the Netherlands. Marijuana dealers would be less violent, the pot could be controlled, better addiction help, stuff like that. It seperates soft-drugs like marijuana from the harddrugs, like cocaine and heroin. Easy.
Them dutch aren't crazy after all haha
"Them dutch aren't crazy after all haha"
Are you you sure about that? Because I thought that your reply made beautiful sense.
Now, if that doesn't parallel to craziness, I don't know what does.
rsbluerelm
06-02-2006, 09:11 PM
Well I for one with my many run in with the law.I do believe it should be it should be controlled.I don't think u can have like 2 pound in your back seat maybe like 2 grams when out in public and like 2 plants.I believe it will become like cigarrettes but fuck da shit grow ya own the shit will be better anyway.:rasta:
iamapatient
06-04-2006, 08:03 PM
I had to vote maybe because if by "legalize," you mean for minors too (like chewing gum), then no. If by legalize, you mean for responsible adults and patients, then yes, of course.
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3417
D.Boone
06-14-2006, 05:45 PM
heck yea it should be legalized marijuana is the answer
Buggsy
06-14-2006, 09:09 PM
I say not lol
It would take all the fun out of this giggles
OniEhtRedrum781
06-15-2006, 02:27 PM
obviously yes..... :stoned: :stoned: :stoned:
BloodAngel
06-25-2006, 01:16 AM
I want to hear someone's reasoning on why they picked no, but visit this site at all... Just for the sake of discussion
beachguy in thongs
06-25-2006, 12:35 PM
Legalize the only medicine which can ease my ailments. If the President's daughter was in my situation, there's no doubt that it would be legalized.
BuenoMota
06-27-2006, 01:30 AM
LEGALIZE IT!
That made me so happy.
bongsmoker
06-27-2006, 10:44 PM
vote yes for the legalization of marijuana.
Zoosh
07-09-2006, 10:13 PM
Yes as long as there's strict rules to protect little ones which is hard to do.
Jay Matix
07-12-2006, 04:50 AM
It should be legalized. If you are going to have cigarettes legal, which kill 400,000 annually. Why not legalize cannabis, when there has never been 1 reported death caused by marijuana..... it's a harmless plant, doesn't make sense
Aaron19
07-12-2006, 11:00 AM
if it got legalized the goverment would tax it highly then there would be alot of crap bud out there genetically grown so no
Dirty D
08-15-2006, 03:54 AM
if you said no.. what the fuck are you doin on cannabis.com??
Delta9 UK
08-17-2006, 07:10 AM
I don't think so. If the government did this they would be inviting black market commercial growers back into the setup :)
After legalisation I would look forward to:
1. Consistent quality products
2. A guide to strength (e.g. % THC) this would be great
3. Genetic History of the plant - helps meds users find high CBD Indica strains and someone who wants to try it out a light Sativa etc etc
4. Regulated growth, prep (curing) and distribution - so that means controlled use of pesticides and proper curing plus decent storage = good product. Plus I get to know what went into it.
5 A regular supply of quality product.
OK you can do some of the above by growing your own too ;)
If cannabis were legalised into a commercial product the results could potentially be dynamite to the average smoker.
If the government fucked it all up we would all go back to the black market anyway - they know this. They would have to create a quality product to compete. If it were managed properly with the long game in mind then we could look forward to being to pick and choose like kids in a candy shop.
Amsterdam the world over :)
kiekie420
08-17-2006, 03:57 PM
I voted yes, although I don't think it should just be legal and that's it. I do think there should be regulations. Age limit for one. I don't think a 12 year old should be smoking pot, just like they shouldn't be drinking alcohol. This is my theory on the whole situation..... If cannabis was legalized with restrictions as follows, it wouldn't be hurting anyone or putting anyone in danger. My suggestion for the law..... you must be 21+ to purchase, consume or grow cannabis. Cannabis cannot be used freely in public places, but could be used freely in the safety of your home. You can not drive or operate heavy machinery or go to work while under the influence of cannabis. Cannabis is permitted in a motor vehicle ONLY for the purpose of transporting to your home. 1 ounce limit at all times. It would of course be taxed if purchased at a smoke shop or store, but the tax shouldn't be discriminatory. It should be the same percentage as tobacco.
This would take care of the "getway drug" theory since there wouldn't be any interaction with "drug dealers" who try to push harder stuff for a better high.
It would allow for us responsible U.S citizens to use it for recreational use and enjoy it!
Who's with me on this one???????:dance:
rubigwill73
08-21-2006, 02:58 AM
where did the no's come from
Oneironaut
08-21-2006, 04:01 AM
I say not lol
It would take all the fun out of this giggles
So does jail, for millions of pot-smokers around the world like you and me. And taxes, which you have to pay to keep those pot-smokers locked up in cages with violent criminals.
Harry Pot Head
08-24-2006, 01:25 AM
I said yes. :D
Plus you should be able to grow for personal use as well.:cool: :smokin:
Some people I know use it for pain ect and have less side effects then some of the nasty pills that are prescribed to them.
Just one point... If your smart you dont drink and drive.
Same goes for pot ... If you smoke you dont drive.
My 2 Watts.
kurtmatty
08-26-2006, 11:10 PM
i use cannabis myself it started as recriational use but has become very uselfull for pain releaf i love the stuff but i still dont know if i can say yes to the question in hand. u see there are no short term side affects of cannabis use but long term there is a long list my mind is mush and im very paranoid and scitaphrenic dont know if thats spelt write but ha well any way its not legal and it dont stop nuthin
Budman37
08-27-2006, 02:20 PM
I DEFINATELY wish it where legal but I think the gov figures if the legalize it then they would have to report all there under the table money they make from it. plus unlike alchohol and cigs its to easy for people to grow it themselves and eventually everybody would be smoking it for FREEEEE!!!!!!
busteruk7
08-27-2006, 05:11 PM
I DEFINATELY wish it where legal but I think the gov figures if the legalize it then they would have to report all there under the table money they make from it. plus unlike alchohol and cigs its to easy for people to grow it themselves and eventually everybody would be smoking it for FREEEEE!!!!!!
yeah really good point
cheers all :)
ronjohn420
08-29-2006, 01:02 AM
I had to vote maybe because if by "legalize," you mean for minors too (like chewing gum), then no. If by legalize, you mean for responsible adults and patients, then yes, of course.
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3417
not tryin to sound like a asshole or anything but.....
no matter what you say the kids are still gonna get it, just like alcohol and tobacco, so why not help and just say yes, and put the decision back in the household where the parents decide what is good for their (child)
i mean hell, like 35% of people on here are from 14-18
totally voting yes for decriminalization
moka88
08-29-2006, 09:58 AM
at least keeping it illegal is stopping a good percentage of people doing it, im pretty sure if it was legal it just wudnt be 'as fun'.
hienuff
08-31-2006, 09:48 PM
Yes it should be legal! Unfortunately all the folks who make money in the industry now (however much) will kiss those profits goodbye. Phillip Morris will make billions!
Dutch Pimp
08-31-2006, 10:53 PM
at least keeping it illegal is stopping a good percentage of people doing it, im pretty sure if it was legal it just wudnt be 'as fun'.
...that is the most....true statement,..... I have ever heard.
Dizz-Oh!
09-01-2006, 12:15 AM
If it were legal the only market that would boom would be fertilizers, hydroponics dealers, grow lights, etc. Is hops and barley taxed? I don't know...
We don't need laws to protect children, we need parents who give a shit. When I graduated HS, my dad said "son, your mother thinks your on drugs. But I know better. I know your on drugs." He then went through all the illicit substances, giving instruction and warning, and forbidding me to try meth. I wasn't even on drugs, I just smoked herb with my German exchange student, who liked to brag that in his town people grew canna in their backyards. Then he showed me video of him and his freunds smoking a cone as a policeman strolled by. Now those are bragging rights.
It's an offence punishable by jail for farmers in Afghanistan to save seeds from season to season. They are forced to buy every year from Monsanto or some similar corporation. I don't think this could happen in the U.S., but who knows? With the decriminalization of cannabis could come certain concessions to the fascist corporate state. You might be forced to smoke only Victory brand reefers. (Anybody catch that reference?)
YESYESYES total legalization
Captain Hanks
09-01-2006, 06:03 AM
If it were legal the only market that would boom would be fertilizers, hydroponics dealers, grow lights, etc. Is hops and barley taxed? I don't know...
We don't need laws to protect children, we need parents who give a shit. When I graduated HS, my dad said "son, your mother thinks your on drugs. But I know better. I know your on drugs." He then went through all the illicit substances, giving instruction and warning, and forbidding me to try meth. I wasn't even on drugs, I just smoked herb with my German exchange student, who liked to brag that in his town people grew canna in their backyards. Then he showed me video of him and his freunds smoking a cone as a policeman strolled by. Now those are bragging rights.
It's an offence punishable by jail for farmers in Afghanistan to save seeds from season to season. They are forced to buy every year from Monsanto or some similar corporation. I don't think this could happen in the U.S., but who knows? With the decriminalization of cannabis could come certain concessions to the fascist corporate state. You might be forced to smoke only Victory brand reefers. (Anybody catch that reference?)
YESYESYES total legalization
I'd be more than down for smoking victory reefers (as long as theyre chronic) in exchange for legalization?:stoned:
Mark Bryan
09-01-2006, 04:04 PM
If it were legal the only market that would boom would be fertilizers, hydroponics dealers, grow lights, etc. You're forgettin' about hemp! Like this! http://hempmuseum.org or this http://www.suffolkhousing.org/pages/hempage.html or this http://www.ecofibre.com.au/otherprods.html I'm actually surprised to see how well the medical marijuana movement is doin!!:thumbsup: :D But SERIOUSLY,we need to bring HEMP to the FOREFRONT instead of the sidelines and reinstitute the Hemp For Victory program! WE'RE TALKIN MORE THAN $500 Billion a year if totally legal! http://www.textfiles.com/messages/kindbud.txt
SCALES
09-02-2006, 04:10 PM
POSSESION OF MARIJUANA SHOULD BE DECRIMINALIZED.
in the early 1930's it was made illegal in southern texas, so that racist law enforcement officers could express themselves by penalizing mexicans who liked to relax after work. the propagana started and everybody caught on.
AS for the guy who said that marijuana is a gateway drug, i disagree, the people you surround yourself with is your gateway.
MegaOctane12
09-03-2006, 04:22 PM
I voted NO, because more money will need to be generated to make facilitys for people who abuse cannabis, and it is very possible for some people to become completely reliant on cannabis even if they arn't physiologically addicted.
bud.dy
09-03-2006, 07:03 PM
i voted maybe...
i did that because i think that if it was legalized it should only be in a way that u are allowed to smoke it but it can not be commercialized or put into ads in any way cos otherwise its like u guys said before the big companies would take over and put taxes on them and everything like addicting things in them u know...
so only like that i want it legalized
cos i wldnt want to smoke weed less natural than it already is lol
\/ peace
Mark Bryan
09-05-2006, 12:24 PM
I voted NO, because more money will need to be generated to make facilitys for people who abuse cannabis, and it is very possible for some people to become completely reliant on cannabis even if they arn't physiologically addicted.
Sorry sir,I disagree here,we use caffiene and sugar more than we use cannabis! You don't see substance abuse clinics for THOSE do ya? Furthermore,don't just focus on weed ALONE! Focus on hemp too! The many uses of hemp and the incredible profit potential it has guarantees that hemp will soon be legal! There's NO way around that!
7hoffman9
09-05-2006, 12:32 PM
YES
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DBC1AF8FABC5DAC0
Budman37
09-05-2006, 02:59 PM
None of the above!!!!man theres dumbo's out there...whats the other answer to the question...and 11 people voted that way thats a hoot!!!!
MegaOctane12
09-05-2006, 09:13 PM
Sorry sir,I disagree here,we use caffiene and sugar more than we use cannabis! You don't see substance abuse clinics for THOSE do ya? Furthermore,don't just focus on weed ALONE! Focus on hemp too! The many uses of hemp and the incredible profit potential it has guarantees that hemp will soon be legal! There's NO way around that!
That's because its not legal yet, otherwise how are you going to know how abused cannabis will be until its set free on the public? Trust me, until there are proper systems in place to deal with the 'fallout' it'll just add too societys problems. I agree about the use of hemp in industy though.
OmegaVermelho
09-06-2006, 12:15 AM
Yes it should but never to ppl under 18yo...
SCALES
09-06-2006, 01:24 AM
MEGAOCTANE, I HAVE TO DISAGREE, the government has already spent BILLIONS of dollars on propaganda and DEA funding against marijuana alone. WE ALREADY HAVE these facilities that you speak of, they are called REHABILITATION CENTERS,
Only these centers dont accept "marijuana abusers" because they realize that THC is neither PHYSICALLY or PSYCHOLOGICALLY addicting.
FURTHERMORE, THE PEOPLE who smoke marijuana will do it wheather it is legal or not. So if it were to become DECRIMINALIZED, I think the only change that you would notice in your society.........is HAPPIER NEIGHBORS.
MegaOctane12
09-06-2006, 12:21 PM
MEGAOCTANE, I HAVE TO DISAGREE, the government has already spent BILLIONS of dollars on propaganda and DEA funding against marijuana alone. WE ALREADY HAVE these facilities that you speak of, they are called REHABILITATION CENTERS,
Only these centers dont accept "marijuana abusers" because they realize that THC is neither PHYSICALLY or PSYCHOLOGICALLY addicting.
FURTHERMORE, THE PEOPLE who smoke marijuana will do it wheather it is legal or not. So if it were to become DECRIMINALIZED, I think the only change that you would notice in your society.........is HAPPIER NEIGHBORS.
Sure they will be able to help heavy users, but you have too take into account that there are mental health issues exasurbated by cannabis use, its very possible for people who already have an existing mental illness too become even sicker from using cannabis, and then their a danger too themselves and the public
Mark Bryan
09-06-2006, 03:33 PM
That's because its not legal yet, otherwise how are you going to know how abused cannabis will be until its set free on the public? Trust me, until there are proper systems in place to deal with the 'fallout' it'll just add too societys problems. I agree about the use of hemp in industry though.
Let's see,the only honest abuse I see would be sorcery and witchcraft and the occasion SOMETIMES to put weed before a relationship (girlfriend,fiance,wife,family etc.) but that depends on the PERSON,not the weed itself,so I PARTIALLY agree,not totally! Cannabis has NOWHERE the abuse potential as narcotics.
phytokind
09-06-2006, 06:29 PM
Sure they will be able to help heavy users, but you have too take into account that there are mental health issues exasurbated by cannabis use, its very possible for people who already have an existing mental illness too become even sicker from using cannabis, and then their a danger too themselves and the public
And prisons are good for peoples mental health? Not to mention that many people with mental health issues end up in prisons where drugs are readily available.
Weednuts
09-08-2006, 10:53 AM
The fact that it's illegal and yet we have liquro commercials now on TV......hmmm.....do ya think there's a bit of corruption going on? It's just ludicrous. And as far as being a gateway drug....HA! I wish that I'd been into smoking when I f'd around with other things in my earlier years. Could have saved myself a whole lotta misery.
I think there are lots of reasons why they keep it illegal, but I think the moral argument is a farce. The major reason is because of the cotton industries and alcohol industries. Money and greed....like everything else.
panchoinusa
09-08-2006, 01:48 PM
Hi everybody
I voted MAYBE because at many times the truly cannabis lovers just think in own perspective. I'd like too a world selling marihuana like tobacco in each corner (it is the paradise) but I'm from mexico and guess what? there are in my country many powerfuls organizations who don't want this, because is their business. They can destroy the political stability not only in my country, even in yours. The solution is a little more complicated than only satisfy to the mariguanos
phytokind
09-08-2006, 02:05 PM
Hi everybody
I voted MAYBE because at many times the truly cannabis lovers just think in own perspective. I'd like too a world selling marihuana like tobacco in each corner (it is the paradise) but I'm from mexico and guess what? there are in my country many powerfuls organizations who don't want this, because is their business. They can destroy the political stability not only in my country, even in yours. The solution is a little more complicated than only satisfy to the mariguanos
So do you think that legalization effort in Mexico will ever get signed into law?
SiXFeEtDeEp
09-11-2006, 01:59 AM
someone should shoot the 96 otheres so it could be 100 percent yes :p
mistyganjatree
09-23-2006, 01:40 AM
cannabis should be decriminalised, now! today! everywhere!
as for legalisation,,, it has pros and cons! taxation! closing times!, age restrictions, should drunks be served?! etc etc etc so de-criminalisation yeah for sure! legalisation???????maybe! depending on the amount of control!
last years cannabis cup was fruaght with controls at chops and the events! and that was in holand!,,,,,,there are seroius questions to be raised before legalisation could go ahead!,,,,, but its a nice dream!
the only possible way to achieve total freedom is threw decriminalisation, and autocultivation! the more people grow the less will get sold on the streets this is better from a policing stand point!, and for everyone who smokes,,, hell if only half the people that smoked grew weed themselves the black market would crumble over night!,,,,, bad news for organised crime and terrorism, good news for the stoners,
so maybe the call should first be for decriminalisation over legalisation
yours thoughtfully misty
aaron2178
09-28-2006, 10:31 PM
the world would be a better place :)
MarcusAurelius21
09-29-2006, 05:18 AM
regardless of where your product will come from at the end of the day, who voted no on legalization thats registered for these forums? youve gotta be crazy man... how many of your friends have been locked up for this shit? or people you know?
lil josh
10-01-2006, 07:43 PM
lol a bit of a silly question to put on a stoners website :stoned:
Kilo0192
10-16-2006, 07:00 AM
lol a bit of a silly question to put on a stoners website :stoned:
I thought the fact that some people said no and maybe on a stoners website was funny. A little off-setting but funny.
toker poet
10-23-2006, 04:16 AM
no, heroin is a schedule 1 drug. Cocaine though is schedule 2 as you said. Funny, cocaine is legal with a perscription but cannabis isn't. I wonder if any doctors actually perscribe coke anymore?
I just had sinus surgery a few months ago and the nurse said that the doctor would pack my sinuses with cocaine to relieve the pain. I freaked because I'm a pothead not a coker. The doc heard what was said and told me that he doesn't do that anymore... He doesn't, but others might.
Anyway... I'm new and I have to say I love this forum. I will be back often.
Eraserhead71
10-24-2006, 12:46 AM
WHY NOT? hahahahahahah!, hahahahahahah!,hahahahahahah!, etc.
btw heroin is availible with prescription and its safer obviously.. Oxy???
SCALES
10-24-2006, 11:31 PM
NO Taxation whitout Representation.
The government does have a tax on marijuana. The State that i live in for example, demands $3.50/gram if i have over 28 grams. The reason marijuana is illegal, is because the government has a standard for how people should conduct themselves.
The Extremely prejudice, and at times Racist polititions who control our presentday "Democracy" are The most Narrow-minded and Stuborn human-beings on the face of this earth.
Mark Bryan
10-26-2006, 05:51 PM
its only illegal because the government cant tax it
http://www.thehia.org/PDF/HIA_hemp_showcase.pdf You mean the government can't tax these products? After all they're cannabis too.
Iggmasta
10-28-2006, 11:02 PM
canabis does way more good than harm LEGALIZE NOW
smokeweederday
11-08-2006, 12:50 AM
legalizing cannibus means government involvment and regulation. think do you realy want that theyve screwed everything else up.the law should be revised and you should really consider your choice:rasta: :smokin: :stoned:
post rplies and thoughts pleaser
Buddahbear
11-08-2006, 05:00 AM
That's what I'm saying. Decriminalized not legalized. I don't want gov't sactions on my shit. If you want free weed go to Jamaica mon.
biker6403
11-08-2006, 01:51 PM
Decriminallized but restricted to 18 years and older.Follow the motto of NORML.
biker6403
11-08-2006, 01:53 PM
Howdy Ron,
I voted yes..I believe that cannabis should be taken off the Schedule C list and legalized and regulated like alcohol. Even though I started toking at 12 years old,I don't believe that those under 18,should be smoking marijuana..they should be focusing on their education instead. I know that I wish that I had done less partying and more studying,job skills are paramount..git that out of the way first-then ya can party. However,if the younguns must party-then I'd rather see them toking marijuana,than drinking alcohol.
Have a good one ...
amen:)
biker6403
11-08-2006, 02:16 PM
I think it should be legalized but not for society to be walking around high 24/7..cannabis has different affects on everybody, it may make some people violent or it may make someone calm..think, if you weren't a smoker and everyone was high an one turned violent would you want them to beat you up or possibly kill you? This is just a scenario im not saying it's a fact ..but just think about it. What is a fact is someone i know smokes and turns violent would you want someone like that around you if you were a calm smoker? lol
You ever seen someone get violent or have road rage on weed?I haven't:confused:
GollyWog420
11-08-2006, 03:10 PM
Of course it should but only if the governments had nothing to do with it, cuz they'd just fuck it up the same way they fuck everything else up
"Let us declare nature as legitimate. all plants should be declared legal. The notion of illegal plants in a civilised society is obnoxious, ridiculous and absurd"
Jeffrey Winterborne
Pezzo
11-08-2006, 04:09 PM
Who the hell voted no?!? Anything that harms nobody except maby the user should be legal!
Example: tobacco harms the user, if you dont want to smoke tobacco u dont have to. if u want to u can.
A murderer harms someone else aswell as themselves.
tobacco should be legal, murdering shouldnt.
this is rite so far but what about marijuana? if u dont like it dont do it, dont deprive somone else of it!!!
Pezzo
11-08-2006, 04:12 PM
one more thing, if you are religous think of y the cannabis was placed on this plannet...
SweetSkyy
11-10-2006, 03:25 AM
Who voted 'no'?
BluntArtist
12-01-2006, 12:43 AM
The government makes more money arresting people, through court cost, and thru fines. It's not like cigarettes where the government can market them a little bit and people get hooked on it. People can quit smoking weed if they have to, unlike cigs...I know this. Keeping it on the black market makes more sense imo.
Markass
12-01-2006, 05:26 AM
There's a lot of reasons why they're keeping it illegal, and they just do what they can to keep pushing the truth away from people and telling us it's bad and has no medicinal value...when it obviously has medicinal value according to twelve states. One ounce is legal in Denver, so fuck the feds. The people will do it eventually.
shovlboy
12-05-2006, 05:16 AM
isnt the goverment just lovely?:D
CYRAX
12-08-2006, 03:07 AM
Yes, don't the fuckin pigs make enuff money off meth and coke? greedy bastards.
i really do believe the reason it is illegal, along with all the harmless psychadelics, is that they promote independent thought. there are other reasons and i have no basis for this, but i do think they promote independent thought and i do think the government hates independent thought
The government KNOW there is no reason for it to be illegal, BUT, if they did legalise it after all the shit they've said about it they'd look like the fools they are, and no one would trust them on important issues.
Cannabis is illegal because our governments cant pull their fist out of their arse holes and just admit "We were wrong, weed is great, smoke as much as you like"
Pezzo
12-14-2006, 04:04 PM
The government KNOW there is no reason for it to be illegal, BUT, if they did legalise it after all the shit they've said about it they'd look like the fools they are, and no one would trust them on important issues.
Cannabis is illegal because our governments cant pull their fist out of their arse holes and just admit "We were wrong, weed is great, smoke as much as you like"
word, but seriously, who put fukin no ? ? ?
word, but seriously, who put fukin no ? ? ?
No idea, probably one of the cops that come on this site.
AlwaysBlazed
12-15-2006, 01:16 AM
I can see why people who smoke would want it illegal, don't disrespect others opinions and force them to see it your way.
I can see why people who smoke would want it illegal, don't disrespect others opinions and force them to see it your way.
So they want harmless pot smokers to be breaking the law? Risking going to prison?
When they could have it legal, and smoke it without being paranoid?
I dont see how that can work.
Pezzo
12-15-2006, 01:57 PM
I can see why people who smoke would want it illegal, don't disrespect others opinions and force them to see it your way.
hey man no disrespect, i value others opinions but read my sig, says it all
hempplaya
01-12-2007, 07:44 PM
hell yeah it should be, but then again that will kinda take a little of the fun out of growing since you could run to the gas station/store and buy it(still wouldn't have the quality of homegrown by any means)
Pumpkinpie
01-15-2007, 01:23 AM
Yes, of course. Nobody has the right to dictate to others what they can and cannot put in their own bodies.
Ok then lets legalize meth and cocaine now.
The argument for legalizing marijuana is not this, but is that there's a huge difference between people who smoke weed and who are using other drugs. They actually enjoy their experience with cannabis, unlike people with alcoholism and other addictions (usually)
WhiskeyGirl
01-16-2007, 11:11 AM
Cannibus should be legalized , but not meth or crack.
There are so many benefits to Cannibus , but not the hard drugs , plus you have to smoke it responsibly. But compared to alcohol and all the effects of that --- Cannibus is so much better in my opinion --- but who am I.
WG
xxxhazexxx
01-16-2007, 11:28 AM
simpily yyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssss:D :D :rastasmoke: :jointsmile:
DogsBollocks
01-16-2007, 05:38 PM
YES It Should Be Legalized Then I Aint Got To Where My Yellow Coat When Working
Grape Ape
01-18-2007, 04:48 AM
Indeed! LEGALIZE IT! :rastasmoke:
hemp69
01-21-2007, 06:05 AM
WTF ARE YOU STUPID. YESSSS IT SHOULDDDDDD:D
:joint1:
hemp69
01-21-2007, 06:07 AM
Since when is weed ilegal? :D
:D :D :D :stoned:
Antihero867
01-24-2007, 01:21 AM
Who the fuck voted none of the above? Its either legal or not. Well i guess decriminalization would count but if its decriminalized than it might as well be legal.
alcohol kills
01-24-2007, 03:01 AM
I think it should be legal again !!!! fucking government dictator mother %@#%#@'@, who don't know what middle class and below is DIE DIE DIE.... In other news 38* in Denver, Colorado.......
heh:stoned: as hell writing this :confused: letter. good night off to :rastasmoke:
jayrollinhippy
01-24-2007, 09:47 AM
Ok strange that those who oppose industrial hemp think it is a backdoor attempt to legalise Marijuana. LoL I say legalising marijuana is a book door attemp to make hemp legal again.
Immolation
01-25-2007, 04:43 AM
I have seen Reefer Madness. so, No Pot should not be legalized.:jointsmile:
Snake
01-30-2007, 11:43 PM
lololol^
Why is Marijuana Illegal? (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html)
Bong ripper420
01-31-2007, 02:23 AM
Alcohol is a lot worse then the good herb. It should be legalized but regulated. That would most likely cut down use of more dangerous drugs because when the good herb was legalized in amsterdam the use of herion went down drasticly.
:rastasmoke: :rastasmoke: :rastasmoke: :rastasmoke:
yes.
but if it were legalized, that would make it:
1) abundant.
2) relatively free.
3) UNPROFITABLE.
the latter which im sure would bring many governments, corrupt leaders and other various people that are concerned with using drugs as a fool-proof and easy way to rake in massive funds to perpetuate their evil wishes to their knees.
and everyone could smoke for damn near free. 24/7. 365.
and the world would be a better place.
probably.
FREEWAYHOBO
01-31-2007, 06:39 AM
its only illegal if you get caught... ha ha
lazy smoker7
01-31-2007, 10:25 AM
How the hell can any one be a member of this community and vote no whats wrong with you? Marijuana of all things should have alrdy been legal and never made illegal...................
Indeed. No Governement can illegalise a damn PLANT. It's was wrong then, it's wrong now and it's been wrong for all these years. We are right. Now we must show them, forcefully, what we want, and when we damn well want it.
Delta9 UK
01-31-2007, 02:35 PM
yes.
but if it were legalized, that would make it:
1) abundant.
2) relatively free.
3) UNPROFITABLE.
the latter which im sure would bring many governments, corrupt leaders and other various people that are concerned with using drugs as a fool-proof and easy way to rake in massive funds to perpetuate their evil wishes to their knees.
and everyone could smoke for damn near free. 24/7. 365.
probably.
We have a winner :) The current regime would like to keep things just the way there are thank you.
mushypeas
02-01-2007, 01:09 PM
why the hell isnt alcohol illegal its more harmful !!!! if it were legal no one would have made grit weed!!!! people are gonna die from that shite!!!!
Big boi
02-11-2007, 01:25 AM
i don't think it should be legalized. They should dumb down the law on it in america. if it becomes legal then a bunch of dorks will do it and it won't be as cool anymore i think they should slowly bring it into our country. Like you can hold on to 8 ounces. can't smoke and drive, and also if it is in ur system then you won't get arrested but you will get fined or something-if you under age. BUt yeah they should just take it easy on the law becuz alcohol is worst than weed:D
Smoking weed isnt about being cool, in the slightest. It's about getting stoned.
Why should we have to risk imprisonment, fines and all that shit just because it's "cooler" to smoke when it's illegal.
Masta Stuff
02-11-2007, 08:27 PM
Smoking weed isnt about being cool, in the slightest. It's about getting stoned.
Why should we have to risk imprisonment, fines and all that shit just because it's "cooler" to smoke when it's illegal.
Nicley spoken Lip:) YES TO LEGALIZE !!
Should never have been banned in the first place. For one I might have seen through the bullshit at a younger age and started smoking when I was at university instead of fucking my liver a bit, and subsequently my career in science a lot.
I recently had a discussion in another forum about this. People were saying that even MS sufferers should not b allowed to smoke it, what kind of a world do we live in these days.
The argument is simple. Cannabis is a plant. I am a mammal with both lungs and a complex array of chakras. We both share the same planet in the cosmos. As bad fortune would have it though it happens to be shared by fucking western imperialists/idiots possessed by greed.
Divadish
02-17-2007, 11:17 AM
Just a point: mary j was and still is technically illegal in Holland the "tolerance" was introduced in 1976 so that a relatively harmless intoxicant could be enjoyed sensibly and safely at home or in/at consenting establishments (coffee shops) without fear of prosecution
Just a point: mary j was and still is technically illegal in Holland the "tolerance" was introduced in 1976 so that a relatively harmless intoxicant could be enjoyed sensibly and safely at home or in/at consenting establishments (coffee shops) without fear of prosecution
We know that cannabis and other soft drugs are still illegal, just very highly tolerated.
I supose it's a common mis-conception, alot of people actually think it is legal.
Barbie!On!Crack
02-17-2007, 11:53 PM
Yes it should!.. It doesn't have any major side affects and i believe its more safer than being drunk, and alcohol isn't illegal so why should it be?
Duh of course it should be legalized :thumbsup: :jointsmile:
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