2-600's or 1000 hps

[itsgotime]

which one should i buy to fit the most plants under .I apprecciatte all the help .Thanks

[SeedKing72]

Not an expert, but you can spread more light out with 2 600's you would also have two bright spots instead of one.. from what I read 600 are the best lights to have 2 of.. I qoute "The 600-watt bulb has the highest lumen-per-watt conversion (150 LPW) and can be placed closer to the canopy of the garden than 1000 or 1100-watt bulbs", so two would be ideal.. I wish I had two.. I am thinking of getting a 600 watt after my first grow and put it with a 400 watt..

[itsgotime]

Not an expert, but you can spread more light out with 2 600's you would also have two bright spots instead of one.. from what I read 600 are the best lights to have 2 of.. I qoute "The 600-watt bulb has the highest lumen-per-watt conversion (150 LPW) and can be placed closer to the canopy of the garden than 1000 or 1100-watt bulbs", so two would be ideal.. I wish I had two.. I am thinking of getting a 600 watt after my first grow and put it with a 400 watt..
thanks i think thats wht i will do for flowering and then use 400watt mh for vegetation.What do you think is the most watts you can have until it get suspicious with the electric company

[SeedKing72]

Once again, not an expert... but i can tell that a 1000 Watt light should not rise any suspicions. I would expect you would have to have a major operation with several 1000 watt HID. I bet if you made some adjustments to your daily activities you would save what you are spending on the HID, like instead of using 100 Watt bulbs around the house go to 60, or switch to those light saving bulbs that plug into a regular light bulb.. I dont think anyone is gonna notice an extra $30-$40... I would wait for some more advice from other people.. this is just my 2 cents..

[Garden Knowm]

2-600's will definitley be better in 90% of all situations.. Especially if you wish to cover a larger surface area..

[HARDDON]

Yes seedking is right about the alteration of lights...

I replaced all house lights with the small shitty CFL's they sell in stores.

I have saved a couple of thousand watts in the whole house (I have a big house)

[SeedKing72]

Wow he said I was right!!!!!! I been reading evey MJ book and website I can, its slowly paying off..

[Zandor]

Or 1 1000w HPS light 140,000 lumens with a light mover will give more lumens and better coverage then 2 600 (2) @ 92,000 lumens.

just to make the topic intresting

[Str8jeepin4pack]

I would go with the 600's, if you get the Philips SON-T bulb you will get 92,000 lumens per bulb. 600's do have the most lumens per watt and do run a lot cooler then 1000w but you are going to pay a lot more for two 600's. with a 6X4 room that gives you 24 sqft, with a 1000W thats 41 watts per sqft. with two 600's its 50 watts per sqft. you want 45 to 65 watts per sqft to get the best results.


green leaves

[itsgotime]

thanks for all the help.Dont worry i will be bugging yall some more soon.lol

[HARDDON]

I would go with the 600's, if you get the Philips SON-T bulb you will get 92,000 lumens per bulb. 600's do have the most lumens per watt and do run a lot cooler then 1000w but you are going to pay a lot more for two 600's. with a 6X4 room that gives you 24 sqft, with a 1000W thats 41 watts per sqft. with two 600's its 50 watts per sqft. you want 45 to 65 watts per sqft to get the best results.


green leaves

Trying to find you to discuss your theory of people who use lumens don't know what they are talking about.

Why do you refer to the watts as being more important than the lumens and why do you lumens matter not to plant life?

Where do you get this position?

I wanna learn. :)

[Garden Knowm]

Or 1 1000w HPS light 140,000 lumens with a light mover will give more lumens and better coverage then 2 600 (2) @ 92,000 lumens.

just to make the topic intresting


grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

[Garden Knowm]

HPS 1000 Watt (140,000 Lumens),
HPS 600 Watt (92,000 Lumens), x's 2 = 184,000 lumes
HPS 400 Watt (50,000 Lumens),
HPS 250 Watt (27,500 Lumens),
HPS 150 Watt (16,000 Lumens),

but wait there is more.........

[Garden Knowm]

the 1000 watt bulb gives 140 lumens per watt

the 2-600's give 153.3333333333 lumens per watt...


600's seem to be the choice of 4 out of 5 growers with nice teeth...





and buds

[Zandor]

HPS 1000 Watt (140,000 Lumens),
HPS 600 Watt (92,000 Lumens), x's 2 = 184,000 lumes
HPS 400 Watt (50,000 Lumens),
HPS 250 Watt (27,500 Lumens),
HPS 150 Watt (16,000 Lumens),

but wait there is more.........
Sorry dude but the math does not work like that. It power dude and power is log rhythmic not proportional. 92,000 is still 92,000 you can't add them up and say they share the same space thus give you double the results. 600w lights will still degrade just like any other bulb will. They still have the same par watt sorry but the math is solid and true.
You donâ??t need to move them and they will cover a good area and yes they put out less heat. If you deal with the heat the 140,000 lumens on a track mover is hard to beat.

[Zandor]

the 1000 watt bulb gives 140 lumens per watt

the 2-600's give 153.3333333333 lumens per watt...


600's seem to be the choice of 4 out of 5 growers with nice teeth...





and buds
To bad they flunked math class then.

[HARDDON]

Sorry dude but the math does not work like that. It power dude and power is log rhythmic not proportional. 92,000 is still 92,000 you can't add them up and say they share the same space thus give you double the results. 600w lights will still degrade just like any other bulb will. They still have the same par watt sorry but the math is solid and true.
You donâ??t need to move them and they will cover a good area and yes they put out less heat. If you deal with the heat the 140,000 lumens on a track mover is hard to beat.

Let me get this clear so even a moron like me understands....

If I have a 5,000 lumen bulb....@55W

and i have 10 of them............

I do not have 50,000 lumens.....

I still have only 5,000 lumens....

But I am now using 550W to produce 5,000 lumens?

Under this math, the more lights I place in there, the less lumens per watt i get?

This simply doesnt make sense....

I understand the lumen do not add up...but according to the scenario described.....my lumens are no higher than the single highest lumen output bulb?

Now what happens when I place these other 9 bulbs that dont add up in the lumen equation...say on the underside of the plant and on the sides.

Do the lumens count then?

I am totally confused....but I am not yet stoned either so that could explain why.

[Garden Knowm]

Thank you for th comrauderie in DUMB LAND hard on... I was getting lonley over here..

: (

Ok zandor I have my my pen and paper.. let class begin :D

[HARDDON]

I have a real winter affliction of Seasonal Affective Disorder.

It was either Lithium or light therapy....I opted for the light therapy AND Lithium :)

This is how I got into lights to begin with, far prior to growing.

I bought a light unit from people who specialize in duplication of sunlight thru artificial light in wintertime. It is badly needed as sunlight produces Vitamins and stuff in the human...

I have a unit that diplaces 23,000 LUMENS at 2 feet. This is as advertised. They said yes, if I placed it within 1 foot from me, I would be getting 46,000 lumens.

The deal is, it has 5 bulbs. So, even if I took out 4 bulbs, I would still have 23,000 lumens at 2 feet or 46,000 lumens at one foot.

IS THIS CORRECT?

If yes, the light would be no where near the intensity of the 5 bulb setup.

So, at some point, I need to understand....since lumens are not summable in total concentrative levels, what is it that I am missing?

The total wattage?

Each bulb is 55W.....so @ 5 bulbs, being the WATTS ARE SUMMABLE I have 275W producing 23,000 lumens.

Each bulb is 55W.....so @ 1 bulb, I have 55W producing the same 23,000 lumens???

Since a WATT is a unit of energy USED and not energy emmitted or displaced....the more lights I use the lower the lumens I get per watt.

This doesn't add up.

You need the wattage to power the lumens.

Now we know that 2 600W HPS lights will light up an equal area far brighter than say a 1000W HPS....since we're talking lumens and thats a fixed 1 sq. ft. measurement....watt...er...what is it that results in higher light from the 2 600W HPS setup than the single 1000W HPS setup?

The 200Watts?

Well thats energy used not displaced.....so that cant be it.

What else is it?

[arathi]

Even still having 2 600watts is better than just 1 1000watt. You could use a 1:1 ratio MH to HPS and have your self set from veg to flower.

[HARDDON]

Even still having 2 600watts is better than just 1 1000watt. You could use a 1:1 ratio MH to HPS and have your self set from veg to flower.

But in flower, these particular plants need primary red waves. Not just red waves being present, but....as a primary light source.

A 1:1 ratio is not optimal for flowering. I agreee you can mix them, but I also believe you need the red in a 2:1 ratio...to provide the dominant waves.

[Zandor]

Ok: to try to explain log rhythmic calculations is hard unless you have worked with power ratios before but I will try.
It will take some time and I think I need to draw a diagram to show you what I am talking about. That may help more then me just saying. Hey you don't even need to believe me at all. Even though I am right you still don't need to believe me.

Power is stilled calculated at x to the power of 20 and is log rhythmic so 1 + 1 does not = 2 in log rhythmic calculations. The drawing may help explain give me a few day's I have DR apts today and tomorrow but I will get to it.

I think everyone will find it interesting and everyone should think more about how they lay out their lights too to improve their yields.

[HARDDON]

Awesome and thanks Zandor.....

[Marc Benson]

Zandor I'd like to see that drawing when you get it done.

[HARDDON]

Zandor I'd like to see that drawing when you get it done.


Well then just click on the link when he posts it. :D

Give him time....might not be feeling so hot right now... :(

[Garden Knowm]

who are you , his nurse??

lol

[Marc Benson]

Well then just click on the link when he posts it. :D

Give him time....might not be feeling so hot right now... :(

I wasn't implying anything. Just mentioned I'd be interested in seeing it. But I agree with garden known.

[HARDDON]

Fuck I would be honored to be Zandor's nurse.

While he was in the bathroom taking a dump, I'd be in his grow room, taking a branch :D

And so would you two fuckerz. :D :D :D

Here I am, trying to weasel my way into his crib, and you two fucks come along and make an issue out of it :(

Hey thanks alot, now even he will be suspicious of my intentions.

Who else needs a nurse.......

TRANOBOUL.....yes, he needs a nurse.....!!!!

(GK and MB...please stay away from his thread lest you fuck me up there too :D)

Thanks in advance.

[Garden Knowm]

I hate this thread anyway... you won't see me in these parts anymore :(



ps- get me a branch too

[HARDDON]

GK...i didnt mean this thread....I meant tanabols but i see you shit on my plate there too already :(


ROFLMAO :)

[Garden Knowm]

hahahaahha - I can't stay away!!!


C'mon!

[Zandor]

Don't give up on me I have just been busy but I have not forgotten you.

[HARDDON]

"DON'T GIVE UP ON ME BABY...WE"RE STILL WORTH ONE MORE TRY..."

Anyone remember that song and who sung it?????

FREE JOINT OF CRUELLA TO FIRST CORRECT ANSWER IN NEXT......OH SAY....20 MINUTES.

(Cruella BTW, is the name I have given my plant that smells like fresh stinking just stepped in dog shit. Jesus its so disgusting you need to keep smelling it just to appreciate what dog shit really smells like :)

Its a pleasure . pain kinda thing.

UGH!

[Garden Knowm]

http://ideas.repec.org/p/iza/izadps/dp1692.html

[Garden Knowm]

Don't Give Up on Me, Baby" is an Emily Saliers song, which was
probably written in 1986. They performed it live for WRFG's

[Garden Knowm]

you have your HPS at angles other than 90 or 180..

I think that is a NO NO!!!

[SamoanLawyer]

the 1000 watt bulb gives 140 lumens per watt

the 2-600's give 153.3333333333 lumens per watt...


600's seem to be the choice of 4 out of 5 growers with nice teeth...





and buds
ROFLMAO....let me get my breathe back...Fuckin, howd you know I had nice teeth?

Ive grown with 1000's HPS before and 600 watt lucagrow are the shit as far as heat concerns

[HARDDON]

Dont Give up on us baby was a song written in the late 70's and sung by that dude from Starsky and Hutch...David Soul.

He quit the show in contract dispute and said fuck you, I'll just be a sexy idol love song singer.

He was known after that #1 hit as a ONE HIT WONDER.

He never had another hit.

And, 40 years later, here we all sit, still searching for that ONE HIT WONDER :D

[Zandor]

Harddon I must say you new sig is intresting, I may just need to use something like that too. Need to check with someone to see if it would help or not. Intresting thinking though. Props.

[HARDDON]

This sig or rather a variation of it was what was used quite widely and effectively during some other 'clandestine' operations.

Quite obviously, I placed it as I need to avoid any assumptions that what I post is in fact reality.

The fact remains I take pics off the net and claim they are my grows. Hell I don't even smoke pot.

Just wanted to make it clear I am in no way breaking or conding the breaking of any laws.

I am an AUTHOR and a ficticious character.

Kinda like an author who in first person writes about bombing some statue or mountain....but not really doing it.

You however rarely give advice....you simply answer questions.

I see your need for disclaimers rather insignificant...

Its the more creative writers who often opine that might get taken more seriously than they should.

Thanks for the compliments, but really, its just the truth :)

[Zandor]

I too wonder just how safe the first amendment is under the Bush administration. Now with 2 cronies in or about to sit on the bench is a worry these day's. A very sad day for our rights and states rights is coming very soon.