SeedKing's 1st Grow Northenr Lights/ W Rhino

[SeedKing72]

Okay, well now is the time to get this going:

First thing first, thanks to all the people who have been very helpful. Especially Harddon and Marc Benson.. I am hoping you treat me like a apprentice...

This is my first grow, these are the specs:

Closet Grow: Roughly 5.5 * 2 feet, 400 Watt HPS and MH converter bulb and 5 2*40 Watts 4 foot flourescents (mixture of Cool white/and warm) inside walls painted flat white and then lined with Thermal blankets that you get from Walmart for $2.00

Strains: 5 Northern Lights, 5 White Rhino + Bag seeds.. The goal is to cull down to 4-5 female

Day One: 9-21-2005

Man I have sprouts, I feel like a dad watching over his daughters. I have not named these broads yet, perhaps Senorita Harddona and Senora Marcita B. I germ'ed in jiffy pots and also reg dirt, the Jiffy pots took off.. so next time I will use jiffy pots.. I can see 6 doing some stuff, the bag seed aint dont shit.. there loss..

[SeedKing72]

Man these things grow...

I swear, I went to get my hair cut and when I came back they had doubled in size and this was all in the same day.. This is what I did:

Still day one 9-22-2005

1. I turned on the fans and let some air blow on them.. I guess this is supposed to strengthen them..

2. I moved the flourescent so its about 2 inches away.. I dont want them stretching to the light... using cool whites..

3. I watered them lightly with water (1 gallon of water with 1/4 teaspoon of SuperThrive, [not the whole gallon that was just the ratio],the water is Natutal Spring Water [ or so the bottles says], gonna switch to distilled water.. or should I???

Will post more pics on day 2

[HARDDON]

They will grow by the hour in their early stages. Enjoy it as it is fun to watch.

Keep the fan on them 24/0....do not turn it off.

I dont like distilled water. It is essentially dead water as all the water atoms have been stripped to their bare selves. The entire molecular structure of the water molecule has been dissaembled.

There is nothing 'bad' about it but is still essentially 'dead' water. Great if you are running a coal processing plant :)

There is nothing wrong with tap water....well I guess that depends on where you live...for the most part.....

More important is the pH of the water. Make sure its adjusted down to 6.8

Reverse Osmosis water is better but still not required.

[SeedKing72]

The master has spoken..so there will most definitely be Senorita Harddonita now..

Day 2 Sept 23:

1. Gonna stick to TAP water that has sat in a 1 gallon jug for several days to remove the Chlorine.. Now what is the best way to adjust the PH?

2. Tried to get the FLor 2 inhes from CHICAS.. One seems to reaching for the lights.. The fans are running 24 hours..

3. Performed some minor surgery because I think I planted the seeds to deep, removed some of the dirt and saved my NINAS.. LESSON LEARNED: Only plants your seeds shallow enough to cover them.. I would say 1/4 of and inch..

4. I have 4 NL , 4 WR and 3 Bag Seeds.. Now the goal is to kepp all these BROADS alive and hope only 1/2 go CHICO on me, that would give me roughly 5 plants.. I would be happy if 2-3 more sprout to increase my chances.. I feel like some of my little JANES are still born.. so we have 11 Thats no bad.. The Nirvanas had a good geermination rate... I planted 5 of each got 4 of each so far..

5. Child rearing is addictive, I was so HYPED.. I could barely sleep. This is more addictive than the smoke...

6. Very hard to get clear pics with a digital camera, gotta learn to use the F-ing camera.. Damn there should me a seedling mode..

[Marc Benson]

"I am hoping you treat me like a apprentice..."

My record suggests I'm no master, and I really don't feel anyone is until they've grown numerous grows, not just a couple. That said, we the humble growers know who the masters really are...mighty Ganja. We only try to honor them with gifts of bat guano, blood meal and vinegar-tainted agua. They reward us with spectacular flowers covered with copious amounts of their cherished resinous liquids. Or in my case manifestations of plant eating Thysanoptera, necrosis, deformations and mental anguish. Master? I think not. Student...yes. Always will be. When we think we aren't and are beyond learning...is when we fail. Remember this...Grasshopper.

[HARDDON]

Or in my case manifestations of plant eating Thysanoptera, necrosis, deformations and mental anguish. Master? I think not. Student...yes.

ROFLMAO......Speak for yerself there MB...

I will accept the accolades...all that I can get....

Besides, I have mastered the thrips, catepillars, necrosis and deformations.

I am still working on the mental anguish part of the equation :) :) :)

[SeedKing72]

Oh wise one, to those who have never grown and are giddy with anticipation you are to us a master... Your gentle chiding and thoughtful words are heeded.

[HARDDON]

See MB....

EVEN YOU AND I ARE MASTERS IN THE EYES OF THE LITTLE ONES.

STOP CUTTIN US DOWN DOOFUS :D

I gotta fricking reputation to upkeep.

[SeedKing72]

Its kinda hard to take a picture of a closet, couldn't get a good angle..I would almost need to take the doors off.. Keep in mind that this is only growing some sprouts now.. I guess I will have to make some changes when these get transplanted into 5 gallon pail... I have round ones and some square ones, I prefer the square ones, but they are hard to come by, I had to buy cat litter to get them.. and I do have a cat and he likes to eat weed, so that was his contribution..The square take less room and are easier to place close together..


1. Should I put reflective material over the top of the, I can add a shelf somehow with reflective material over the light... I will find some way to do it..

2. I had planned to let these sprouts stay in the jiff pots for 2 weeks or until the roots start shooting out the sides.. I wonder if it would have be better to go from jiff to 6 inch to 5 gallon.. the less I have to transplant the better?

3. Harddon.. I noticed you had reflective material on the bottom.. I had thought it was bad to reflect light on the underside of the plants.. but if you say different, I will make it so... when I transplant.. but it may not be to big of a diff, because the hopefully all the pots will be square and they will be tightly packed.. I may just put white rocks on top of the dirt.. ( I been paying attention to your other threads)

4. How close can I put the fans? they dry out the dirt quicker but I can water and mist everyday..

I don't mimd making Adjustments, I am the pupil!

[HARDDON]

Ok now I have a better idea of your setup...

I would save the mercury in those vertical floros for now. They are too far away to benefit your seedlings so its just a waste of juice and light chemicals in those tubes for now.

Next I see your fans way up top. Not sure what they are for....but....make sure you have a fan blowing right on your seedling betweent the tops and the light surface. From your pics I cant see if you are doing that.

The fan should not tear the heads off the seedlings but should make them flap and flutter gently against the wind.....soon only the leaves will flutter and the stem will remain still.

I would add at least another set of floros to the canopy.

You can get some real true CFL long tubes like you have that have very high Kelvin temps in those bulb style and sizes.

http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com/full-spectrum-light-bulb-comparison.htm

they can hook you up with 5500 & 5900K floro tubes....trust me you will thank me in 28 days if you do :)

[Marc Benson]

"STOP CUTTIN US DOWN DOOFUS"

What does it make you if you misspell dufus?

[SeedKing72]

Yes, Right Away

The Vertical ones were on just for the pic, They are off for the seedlings.. I like your attention to detail...

Okay, I moved the fans and they are flapping and fluttering in the wind.. Kinda makes me nervous.. but we will see..

I will see if I can hang another light somehow..

I will look into the other bulbs and see if I can afford it, keep in mind I do have a 400 Watt MH for Veg.. its just not in the pic.. but more is better..

Your will be done..

[HARDDON]

hey real quick i havent had a chance to study your work but the first plant on the right in the pot looks like shes fighting a hurricane.

the stems should flutter back and forth not take on the constant angle of my broken dick :D

just wanted to post this for i study your pics and she dies :eek:

[Marc Benson]

If you've got the MH I'd for sure use it. Just not right at first or you might burn the little kids. And I'd have that light right down on top of 'em. When I first started the ones I'm growing right now I had the 2 footer I was using at the time laying on the top of the container. Just make sure there's air blowing across the top of the container, which will mean it's blowing in the container too. Just enough.

[SeedKing72]

Yeah, I moved the fans back farther and turned them on low.. That plant is kinda droopy even without the fan.. now they are just fluttering on the top a little.. better safe than sorry..

[SeedKing72]

How close can I go to the canopy, right now I am about two inches.. I can add another catalog under them to bring them closer to the light.. it would be a inch..

[HARDDON]

I dont think you need them more than 1".....you can get that close.

You are losing tons of side light though.

I would take the big white cardboard sheets they sell in wal mart for creepy fucking school kids to cut and make posters out of...and drap them on the sides of that light fixture you have.

so you creat in effect a tunnel shaped light dome..the fan blows fresh air in one end and it escapes out the other. The hanging white paper sheets reflect the light back and forth thousands of times until its absorbed by the green of the leaves...

or the red of your encyclopedia :D (cover that up too)

[SeedKing72]

Okay I got that done, they are about 1.25 inches..

I added the creepy kid white board... gotta work on that to get it tighter.. consider it better in the future...I will try to smooth down the sides so there is no gap.. work in progress..

Covered up the book with mylar.. I better cover up that blue box also..

[HARDDON]

It is such a nice thing to have people that actually take and apply advice :)

Much like 9ski9 did :) And stickygreenlightsabre.

That looks real good and your plants will benefit from the efforts.

I am curious though...with the fan blowing against the taller containers, how are the smaller containers behind the bigger ones getting thier stems blown?

Ideally all of you plant tops should create a straight canopy or level canopy. Having a seedling positioned 4 inches from the bulb surface because your taller ones are 1 inch away, affects them adversly.

This may not be the case...but...just in case......check it out :)

Looking good now.

When do you plan on placing them in real containers?

[SeedKing72]

I see the error of my ways:

Lessons learned:

Use the same type of container: Well here is what happened, I had these jiffy pots that I was gonna use (the kind that expand as you add water) then I also got some the kinds that are already expanded.. I called myself doing a experiment to see which would work better.. the jiffy pots came up quickly... Then to make things worse I had some bag seeds, and I decided they were just crap because the weed was crap.. so I called myself making my own containers for the bag weed. which was stupid because it turns out that just because the weed was crap doesnt mean the seeds are crap.. something about how they were grown, how they were transported, effetcs the final product.. so they could have some good genetics.. sorry for BABBLING.. too make a long story short, I should have used all the same type of containters:

Use 6 inch to start out with: Then transplant into bigger container.. The way things look now I am gonna have to transport soon (I could be wrong) into something bigger and all I have is my five gallon bucket.. Could it be too soon to do that.. The plan was give them all the room they wanted at first.. even though I would have a bigger pot to water,more dirt etc.. So I wonder what should I really do.. Transport to 5 gallon when ready OR transport to smaller pot and then later to the 5 gallon.. I am thinking less transplanting better..

1. When will I transplant, I was gonna wait until they were 2 weeks.. give them a week to re-coup and then turn on the 400 Watt MH.. What do you think..? I was expecting to see some roots shooting out the side of the jiffy pots..

2. I wish all the plants were the same size. That means some are closer to the light, some are farther from the light.. It woud be better if I had two lights to try to even it out.. I wonder if some of those Puntas will stretch..

Also, yes it is nice for people to follow advice.. I have no problem doing it, I have never raised any SENORITAS, so my ego is turned off. plus if I take your advice you are more apt to help, that is just LIFE.. One day I will be the master, but this is my first GROW.. so having some good smoke is worth laying down my ego, when I finally grow some killer smoke.. Your name will be song in the halls of THC laced bitches.

[HARDDON]

You can adjust the canopy levelness by giving your babies a booster chair to the light, rather than bringing the light to the plant.

I would tranplant at two weeks...get them into a stable rooting environment. Let them have at it and give them 3 days to adjust, then at 17 days hit them with the MH and veg them til you are happy :)

Then one last final transplant prior to flower. Follow the fundamentals of transplant in the faq and use a the rooting hormone powder and they'll not miss but a few hours.

[SeedKing72]

Should I go right into the 5 gallon buckets in two weeks..

[HARDDON]

Should I go right into the 5 gallon buckets..


Stepper by stepper huh? :)

I'll copy and paste it again for ya :)



I would tranplant at two weeks...get them into a stable rooting environment. Let them have at it and give them 3 days to adjust, then at 17 days hit them with the MH and veg them til you are happy

Then one last final transplant prior to flower.

Hope that clears it up for ya :)

[SeedKing72]

So sorry, Gotcha, so I will go get some smaller pots, like 3 gallons.. go into 5 gallons right before flower..thanks

[SeedKing72]

This little northern light bitch worries me, IT (she hopefully) she was the first one up.. she is kinda drooping... where the other ones are growing straight up, but they are not as big.. I worry they will droop too, she had a head start.. should I worry and just wait and see or is there something I can do, re-plant her around some dirt.. to strengthen her... her name is Hermosa and I love her.. :)

[HARDDON]

Droopy needs to be in a new plant container buried right up to one half her stem height.

ASAP :)

[meloncoly]

have you got the lights about 10 feet away or something? stretching like crazy

[SeedKing72]

done.. I think I am gonna kill her..

[SeedKing72]

No, they are like 1.5 inches.. she is the only one..

[HARDDON]

Dont kill her :)

just replant deeper

[Marc Benson]

"I will go get some smaller pots, like 3 gallons.. go into 5 gallons right before flower"

That suggestion was made to me also but do you understand how hard that's going to be?! Think of a 3 gallon chunk of loose airy dirt with a big plant sticking out of it turning it upside down and then right side up and trying to put it in a 5 gallon container without it falling apart?! Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. And especially if you have to do it by yourself. Even with someone else it'll be tough. Sorry. I'd go from the 6" containers right to the 5's. Not that much difference between the 3 and the 5 anyway. FWIW.

[SeedKing72]

You may be right, because I am using 1/2 soil 1/2 perlite and that shit is loose.. I mean its really loose like an overworked female.. will keep this in mind as I go on.. something to think about..

[HARDDON]

YOu transplant with a wet root/dirt ball.

You will lose not one grain of dirt.

If you transplant a dry plant, yes, your dirt will be everywhere.

Besides a guy with 20" arms shouldnt have any probs handling a pussy pot plant :)

[SeedKing72]

Day 3: Sept 24th

1. Okay still growing like a weed, but I have to admit my CUNTS are destined for the WNBA, they sure are tall and lanky and I got the light right on them 1.5 inches.. This has me somewhat worried.. but maybe my BROADS are just tall and lanky. I will be glad when they are a little more sturdier, then I wont fret in my sleep. May bury 1/2 way in dirt like I did Senorita Hermosa

2. Senorita Hermosa (AKA DROOPY), seems to still be growing, I love her so much, I though I had killed her with my HALF ASS transplant job, where I burried half her ass in dirt to give her some more strength... I am still praying for her Bow your heads: (Oh father who are in heaven....)

3. WARNING This shit is addictive, I think about my PUNTAS all day long. I fret, I worry and love them all.. Its kinda crazy, becuase I have put bag seeds in dirt before just to see them grow and I didnt even give a fuck about them, I would come back 2 weeks later and there would be a strong chron-plant, and I didnt DO ANYTHING to them.. I think I just got first DADDY jitters.. but This shit is ADDICTIVE.. fun though...

4. Still Fretting about wether to go into 3 gal or 5 gal right away.. have about 10-12 days to think about it.. LESS TRANSPLANT THE BETTER and my soil mix is 1/2 soil 1/2 perlite and the shit is SUPER LOOSE, just like a whore..

[turtle420]

SeedKing,

I'm a noob... but anyways... why don't you do a SoG setup? If they're stretching so much...

On a side note: I was glad to see the spanish names you gave your plants... Fun. Just one thought: What are you calling "PUNTAS"? Puntas is spanish for female points. If you want to call them prostitues, that would be "PUTAS".

Please let me know how they react to the new verbal "support". :)

-turtle420 :cool:

[SeedKing72]

Muchas Gracias, mi espansol es muy mal.. I though Punta was BITCH, I could be wrong.. All the spanish I am learning is non-cussing.. Donde esta el bano (where is the bathroom)..

Why I did not do SOG: Well I started with seeds and I am a firm believer that you should use female clones for SOG.. I may do SOG once I get some clones from these PUTAS

All these PUTAS will have spanish names, once I know they are going to live, there will be a Senora Harddonita and perhaps a Senorita Marcita B
Adios

[Marc Benson]

Seedking here's some pics of some of the plants I had/have going. Not to rub it in but all 4 of these plants looked like this when they were just seedlings. Super low. Sprouted and then just spread out. But I used cfl's and had them right down on them. You can see that in one of the pics. I think maybe this is your problem. The big 4 footers put out some light but they do all along the length where as the cfl's are concentrated to one small area.

And it doesn't matter how big your arms are, it's still going to be as bitch to translplant 3 gallons of dirt with a plant hanging out of it into a 5 gallon container. One reason being that the 5 gallon container is probably not going to be that much larger in diameter than the 3 gallon. If you go from a flower pot to a 5 gallon bucket there probably won't be any difference. So how are you going to sit it down in there? You can't get your hands down there if it's the same size. Grab it by the stalk? Not this kid. Once again, sorry but it doesn't make any sense when going from a large container to one that's just a little larger. Small to large I totally agree.

[meloncoly]

that's lots of stretch, replant deeper as suggested, I thought you were using good lights if I remember your first post

[SeedKing72]

Damn damn damn.. My ladies dont look anything like that.. WHAT TO DO? WHAT TO DO? Oh father in heaven, hallow be thy name...

[SeedKing72]

Yeah, I think I need to plan those bitches deeper.. ON MY WAY TO THE NURSERY now, gonna buy 10 6 inch pots so I have the same consistent pots.. This is a lesson learned... I will know better next time...

[SeedKing72]

Day Three: Sept 24th 2005

My babies needed me, I knew something was wrong...

Okay here is what did, HARDDON would be proud, hopefully because I did this without his advice, but grasshopper had to make a move and grasshopper jumped:

1. The Flourescent I had in there, was out of my kitchen fixture when I changed the fixture.. so it may have been a old.. I dont know much about lights, but I got to wondering if wasnt putting out the right amount of light because the bulb was older.. so I got fresh cool white bulbs for the fixture.. just to make sure..

2. HARDDON, had suggested I put another fixture there.. so I hung another fixture under the SHOGUNS advice... so now there are 4 40Watt bulbs of cool white.. all brand new bulbs all same brand...

3. I transplanted all those BITCHES into 6 inch pot all the same size..to strengthen them up.. they were stretching..... Please pray for my girl, to whatever god you pray for.. Watered with super thrive water..

4. I TOTALLY RE-arranged my Closet.. see pics..

Man, this is work but, too all you noobs, I can tell you this NOW, this is a daily activity of changing, re-arranging, checking things... I bet I will have to re-arrange some things again... but that is life.. This is all a learning experience.. and my next grow will be better.. I feel bad that I had to practice on these PUTAS but that is life.. Practice makes perfect.. if you don't have patience, don't do this, if you cant take CONSTRUCTIVE criticism dont do this, if you dont know how to google or search a thread or read aboutit, keep smoking that sack shit... This is work, a work of love..

[SeedKing72]

ALSO addendumm....

I will try to add some more white board on the sides, to keep in the light..

Try to get those bitches closer to the light..

also I went to 2/3 soil 1/3 perlite.. Half and half is super loose and very hard to transplant even when wet, I am sure this will be a problem when I go to the 5 gallom buckets..

[SeedKing72]

Okay, Gots these BROAD-ITAS closer to the light, if they stretch.. Well what else can I do.. thats about 1.25 inches roughly.. Im taking a break, these WHORES will have to take care of themselves.. I'm going to the bar.. :)

[chonged]

Hi Seedking

ur set up is looking cool, and lowering the light is the right thing to do

[HARDDON]

Finally you got the light close enuff.

The half life on the shop light bulbs you are using is 45 days.

Translation: THOSE LIGHTS SUCK DICK :D

Plan on going to fullspectrumsloutions.com for your next tubular CFLS :)

The lights you are using will work for the plants til they get to be about 8" tall....

You made the right move in the transplant.

Looking good now, but please get some new lights huh edith will ya huh?

[SeedKing72]

1. Damn those bulbs are $6.75 each, I would need 10 for all the fixtures I have now.. so 67.50 + 40 for fixtures, at that point I could just buy another $119.00 HPS sodium or MH? I do have a 400 Watt MH/HPS now.. we will hit them with that when they are big enough.. Do you still think I need those lights.. I think after this grow I will add another 400 Watt HPS/MH for a total of 800Watts.. That has to be enough.. What do you think?

2. I gotta find a way to get the temp down, it said 87 when I came home and opened the closet, sure will be worse when I get the HPS going.. Damn another thing, good thing it is getting cool here.. went down to 82 once the door was open.. I think I will buy another fan to blow the air out the top... ANOTHER SETBACK.. I want to get it to 72-76.. DAMN.. WHAT TO DO WHAT TO DO???????

3. All the girls are still looking good, I dont think I killed any just yet..

[Marc Benson]

I'd do the best you can for this grow with the fixtures you have. If you have new bulbs in them and keep them close they'll be ok. Not perfect but ok. Then when they get old/large enough throw the MH in there and watch out! They'll go nuts. And dependent on your square footage, the 400 MH and 400 HPS will work perfect. But heat's another issue. One reason why I'm only using CFL's although it can get warm in there too as they for sure put out some heat. I was thinking of an HPS for these but I'd have to do some major venting of heat. And where this is happening, it doesn't really lend itself to that. So I just have three fans (sometimes four) blowing in there (one blowing cool air in from the bottom, one circulating the air in the room and one up top blowing the warm air out. My only problem is that the warm air blowing out gets pushed back in and eventually just gets too warm in there. Thus the other fan to circulate the air in the room with fresh air from either outside or in the house if the air's on.

And you thought this was gonna be easy! ha ha

[SeedKing72]

So how much is your temp in the room? I have some options..

1. Deal with it, because the weather is getting cooler and the house will get cooler.. hopefully..

2. Behind my closet is access to a duct, I could somehow extend the duct to the closet, which would involve some cutting, which I really dont want to do... :mad:

3 open window in the room, which I dont want to do, because its in the basement and some idiot cool kick in the screen.. I have a burgular alarm, but I dont want that going off and and the police coming to check it out and finding my grow.. I will open it when I am home.. :mad:

3. Add more fans, which I need to do any way, because I want to BLOW some serious air on that 400WATT BALLAST.. I am going to suck air out the top and suck cool air in from the bottom more money to spend.. DAMN DAMN DAMN

4. Check the accuracy of the cheap-o thermometer.. thats a good idea.. check it againt the thermometer of the house... :(

[jimmybobjoe]

you can also go to lowes and get a 150 watt hps for using in conjunction with the lights you already have. It is actually a poll light but with a little thinking you can figure out how to mount it in your grow area. I think mine set me back about 40 dollars after tax. It easy to assemble and only uses like 1 or 2 amps. If you go that route remember to pick up a replacement cord over near the extension cords for plugging it in.. I think the cord I got was 9 feet and was 14 guage 15 amp rated. the light is also 6500k and i think has 28000 lumens. One more thing if you do go with the poll light you can take the plastic part of the globe reflector off and just use the metal part of the reflector. Doing this will alow light to shine over a more broad area while keeping the light concentrated to a small area. If your on a budget this is the way you should go.

[SeedKing72]

HPS Sodium from Lowes? Is the sprectrum right? That is an option! If the sprectum is right

[jimmybobjoe]

It has been doing great for me. since i got it like 1 1/2 weeks ago i have gianed double the foilage and grown alot 2x taller. I am now at 17 inches and im 1 week into flower. i am using only the hps and have notice a huge difference then before when i was using just plain on growlights from sprawlmart made by GE.

[SeedKing72]

Sprawl-Mart, LOL.. do you watch the simpsons.. or did you get that from an earlier post...I should have named one of my broads Homerita!

[jimmybobjoe]

I dont know i think i have always called it that. i think im gonna name mine sandy after my my uncle who had a sex change. I think it is a hermie because I actually started my grow outside and some little black bugs started eating at her leaves. I think the stress from all of that has cause her to go hermie on me. i started mine about 7 days after Hardon started his plants.

[Marc Benson]

SK,

My temps range between 75 and about 81. Has been up to about 85 once then I threw in the other fan to exhaust the room that was being exhausted into and it came right back down. I had read where about 76-80 is perfect for flowering.

I looked at the HPS's from Home D and they had 150 watters but 150 watts in HPS is only about 18,750. HID's are right at about 125 lumes/watt. Not to say that wouldn't help. Be less heat for sure. If I put one of those in my room though it'd give me about 57,000 lumes!! Or about 9500/lumes/sq/ft!! More than you need. Plus the heat would be wicked for my situation. I be eating baked Mary Jane for supper!

[SeedKing72]

Good, so there is a good chance I can cool it down with more FANS.. I will try that, More money more money...

[jimmybobjoe]

I dont even have a guage to read temp in my closet, i just open it up every once in a while and enjoy the wonderfull smell drifting throughout the whole room. i also take a bowl of ice and sit it directly behind my fan as this seems to cool the room down alot. i also keep my house at 70 all day long.

[SeedKing72]

Yeah, I may do the ice thing freeze a jug, and then keep it the room alternate the jug every day until I get the temp controlled with fans...

[Marc Benson]

I've read where a lot of people have had their temps in the upper 80's all the time and had some unreal grows. I think the secret is good air movement and being right on top of good watering practices. But if you can keep fresh air moving into the area and move the stale air out then that's the most important thing.

Be interesting to see if a frozen gallon jug of water would make any difference. I can't see how it'd make much and especially at the top canopy of the plant where your temps are going to be the warmest.

[SeedKing72]

Yeah the gallon of frozen water probably aint gonna work.. it was one of those brain farts..

[HARDDON]

Well remember Whore and Cunt were grown in the 90's constantly during flower. Even 96 was the high one day inside there during the sleep period.

Your fan leaves will get big as shit as they expand attempting to respirate and lower the cellular temps. They will get ridiculously large at those temps :D

I agree with MB....you can mitigate some effects by having massive ventilation constant circulation and a lot of fricking fan leaf tie downs :D

[SeedKing72]

Yeah, then that is what I will do.. see if I can find some fans on clearance.. blow out the top and suck in from the bottom.. MAN THIS BETTER BE WORTH IT, this is one hell of a project.. Oh but I love my babies..I cant wait to smoke their ass, but I will..

[Marc Benson]

It is a big project...to some. To others it just happens easily. I think the people that are too anal about every little detail are the ones where it ends up being way harder for. I guess I'm one of those.

[SeedKing72]

Day 4 Sept 25th

Okay, not a lot to say in this stage.. but I'm committed so...

1. The transplant to 6 inch pots was the right thing to do, my Bitches thank you.. They all seem to survive but one.. Next time, I will use all consistent pots, it just easier to work with, it looks better, and its easier to get them closer to the lights at the same level...They are not as STRETCHY

2. My closet temperature kinda concerns me, but Marc Benson has convinced me that I may be stressing over it and being anal.. HARDDON has said that his bitches were raised in some high temp. So with that said, I am gonna buy 2 more fans.. Because once the 400 WATT HID goes, I want to be able to vent that room.. so we will have a total of 4 fans.. ONE WILL BE SUCKING HEAT OFF THAT BALLAST.. and out the closet..

3. Watering, This is something I will have to master. Seems to me that the fan blowing across the top dries the soil quickly, so I will have develop a good water sense, I would rather UNDER WATER than OVER WATER..

4. I am right under the light were talking 1.25 inches from the bulb, I wonder what is stretch and what is not.. I wish my plants were stockier/wider, besides taller.. I could add some more dirt on the tall ones.. look at the pic.. this just might be my ANAL side showing..

[Joel]

Seed, what kind of strain is this.

Did you get them feminized, would make it alot easier for your first grow lol.

Cant way to see some good things from ya in the future to come, props.

[SeedKing72]

Northern Lighs, White Rhino, and Bag seeds..

Yeah feminized would have been great, but I wanted to go through the pains of sexing them.. I HOPE, that I can get some clones from this.. once they are big enough to clone I am going to take 3 clones each of the best looking plant, regardless of sex.. once I know the sex.. Will cull out the clones, I plan on growing the clones in a different bedroom under another 400 watt light as mothers.. then I will clone those for the next grow..BUT THIS IS all subject to how this grows goes, I have some white widow seeds coming, so I have to work that in there somehow.. All the seeds I bought were for ease of GROW, They say a Cave man can grow Northern LIghts, The white widow and the White rhino I chose for THC content... THEY CLAIM 15-20% THC, but so did the NL.. so we will see...

[SeedKing72]

Really nothing to report, so I will keep it short.. Plus I doubt anyone is gonna get really excited about some 5 day old seedlings.. Anyway sorry this is so boring, hopefully someone can find this interesting/useful.. but I wanted to show the commitment I am taking, hopefully there will be some fruits for my labor.. and maybe someone can avoid the mistakes I make


1. Fans: Got 2- 22inh box fans, one is in front of the ballast blowing/sucking the heat off the ballast out the top the closet, I can feel air rushing out the top of the sliding closet door.. thus I hope air is getting pulled in from the bottom (Its gotta come from somewhere) also added a fan at the bottom/outside the closet blowing air from the bottom... leaking some light, so I will have to find a way to minimize that, not a problem yet with the seedlings.. but I got air movement for sure in there, I can see the mylar on the wall moving.

2. 10 Plants are going strong still reacing for the lights and I am right on top of them, I will move them up in a day or so.. lets hope I get 5 females..Hopefully in 6-8 days (maybe more) I can hit them with the MH a foot above them..

[digitaldog]

Just a little note but i noticed from ur pics that u have ur plants resting on paper and cardboard boxes. Cool if ur just gonna have a few fluros over them but i`d worry a bit about the risk of fire if ur gonna do the same and introduce a 400W MH or hps.
Tell me to mind my own if u like but be careful not too overlook that issue
Digi

[SeedKing72]

Totally agree, those are out of there. I made several adjustment earlier..DONT WANT TO BURN DOWN THE HOUSE..

[HARDDON]

Well I would like to know how in the #$@# this thread is on page 3, reply #69, and the fricking plants are 5 days old... ROFLMAO :)

[SeedKing72]

Because there was a lot of talking about nada.. It should slow down, because nothing exciting is going on...

[turtle420]

HARDDON: Well I would like to know how in the #$@# this thread is on page 3, reply #69, and the fricking plants are 5 days old... ROFLMAO

Same shit I was thinking...

But keep it up SeedKing! Very interesting.

BTW, fellow stoners.... I feel like being in a Mary Jane concert, and everyone is talking about 'bongs' and I don't know what the fuck a bong is! So, what the hell do these stand for?

ROFLMAO and that IMAO or something like that.... would somebody please find it in the most tender part of their hearts to enlighten me? Thank you! :D

-turtle420 :cool:

[HARDDON]

ROFLMAO=rolling on floor laffing me ass off.
IMHO / IMO=in my honest opinion / in my opinion
STFU=shut the fuck up

:) :) :D

[SeedKing72]

I think I will skip this day to day shit

1. Temps down in the 78-80, getting cooler outside.. Humidity 54%

2. seeing secondary leaves.. Plants are still stretching towards the light, and I am right on top of them..BUT they are also starting to grow more leaves, I see little leaves coming out.. so that is positive.. gonna keep lights as close as possibe..

3. See pic below of Senora Hermosa, which I think is Northern Light (I got the labels mixed up and took a guess, Im sure she is NL).. One is when she was just a little Nina and she was stretching, the other is after the emergency transplant to strengthen her (day 6)

[HARDDON]

What is the Kelvin temp of your bulbs?

[SeedKing72]

Good question, Its not on the bulb.. You think that is why I have some stretch? Its just a regular ole 40Watt cool white bulb from the hardware store.. I will see if can find out..

I did find this: http://www.cameraguild.com/technology/kelvin.htm

Hey, sorry I have no idea what your talking about, But I will educate myself on this Kelvin temp thing.. You know me I have to know...

[HARDDON]

Kelvin is in essence a measurement of moloecular activity.

When applied to light energy, it takes on importance to farmers. :)

Low Kelvins of approx. 2700K (HPS) work best for simulation of late fall Kelvins and thus work best for fall bloomers.

Higher Kelvins of approx. 5500K - 6500K work best for simulation of peak summer Kelvins and thus work best for growers in vegetative stages.

You simply must have proper Kelvins for apropriate stages of growth. Failure to provide this will result in less than optimal responses from your plants.

The less than optimal responses will vary in the ways they manifest themselves, but, lack of growth vigor, high internodal lengths, lack of secondary bud sites, lack of flower sizes are just some of the symptons they will presnt.

Growing without knowing your light Kelvin should simply remove from you any expectations of the growth success. You won't know until you see what you get.

It might be great, good, average or poor.

Assuming all the other things are at appropriate environmental optimum :)

[SeedKing72]

Boy I should have majored in in Marijuana Growing..Ok, Well lets hope my 400 Watt MH is better. I am thinking we need to give them another week before I put them under the MH...

[SeedKing72]

Day 8

Well things are going, 10 plants in all (one is a runt, hope for the best she is 1/3 the size of the others, wont be a clone for sure) They dont look like they are stretching towards the light anymore.. getting good leaves... They are about a week old from when they first showed their tits..(seedling)I think we will go another week under flors, they should double in size by then.. hopefully they can take the 400Watt MH by then... Still watering with super thrive water.. 1/4 teaspoon to a gallon of water that has been sitting in the sun for about 2-3 days to get rid of chlorine.. I wonder when I should start adding nutes, too early now.. but will probably start with a weak solution of Fox Farm Grow BIG the bottle says 1 teaspoon per gallon EVERY WATER, I will probably go 1/4 a teasoon and work it up slowly.. dont want to burn them (the bottle says for Moderate to heavy feeding 2-3 teaspoon per gallon every 2 weeks) I would rather go slow and work up to 1 teaspoon a gallon every water.. that is a weak solution

[Completely Stoned]

Woo my plant was way bigger than that on day 8. I feel much better now lol.

[HARDDON]

Still watering with super thrive water.. 1/4 teaspoon to a gallon of water that has been sitting in the sun for about 2-3 days to get rid of chlorine..


Man you are lucky she is still alive.

1/4 teaspoon per gallon?????????????????????????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

The dosage I advise is no more than a couple of drops per gallon. I would cease all use of SuperThrive for a while. You are gonna upset some balances in the nute uptake from the soil...some of those vitamins in SuperThrive I suspect are fat soluable and will be stored in the cells of the plant.

TOo much of anything is not so good.

I would water with some rooting hormone powder for the next week to try and get the roots stimulated a bit. Just enuff powder to 'do a line' :D into your water will be fine.

Good luck.

[SeedKing72]

1/4 of a teaspoon (not tablespoon), man that is a couple of drops.. Thats what it says on the bottle.. but who goes by what the bottle says for MJ seedlings.. Your advice is taken... They look good though.. going under the 400WATT MH in about 7 days..

[Joel]

Northern Lighs, White Rhino, and Bag seeds..

Yeah feminized would have been great, but I wanted to go through the pains of sexing them.. I HOPE, that I can get some clones from this.. once they are big enough to clone I am going to take 3 clones each of the best looking plant, regardless of sex.. once I know the sex.. Will cull out the clones, I plan on growing the clones in a different bedroom under another 400 watt light as mothers.. then I will clone those for the next grow..BUT THIS IS all subject to how this grows goes, I have some white widow seeds coming, so I have to work that in there somehow.. All the seeds I bought were for ease of GROW, They say a Cave man can grow Northern LIghts, The white widow and the White rhino I chose for THC content... THEY CLAIM 15-20% THC, but so did the NL.. so we will see...


If your going to go threw all that work of labelling for just a couple of weeks, if you ask me its not worth it.

Just wait the 2-3 extra weeks to determine sex and the decide the # of clones you are going to take from your garden given your F:M ratio.

[SeedKing72]

Will this happen before they flower?

[Joel]

What do you mean will this happen before they flower??

Im talking about waiting an extra 2-3 weeks to determine the sex of your plants than trashing the males and cloning the females.

[SeedKing72]

I guess what I am asking is this? I wanted to take clones in VEG state before I force them into flowering.. Will I know their sex before I put them into 12/12. I was under the impression that you only wanted to take clones in VEG State, so I am wondering can you tell their sex in veg state... like a week or a couple of days before I go into Flowering 12/12.. Does that make sense..

[SeedKing72]

Yeah you were right! I looked at the insert that comes with the bottle and it says a few drops for a gallon for tender plants, I would assume that is week old seedlings.. No problem I can fix it, it doesnt look like they hurt it yet..HOPEFULLY!

[HARDDON]

I guess what I am asking is this? I wanted to take clones in VEG state before I force them into flowering.. Will I know their sex before I put them into 12/12. I was under the impression that you only wanted to take clones in VEG State, so I am wondering can you tell their sex in veg state... like a week or a couple of days before I go into Flowering 12/12.. Does that make sense..

Sometimes....sometimes.....a female will show pre flowers prior to flower season. Sometimes.

After 4 weeks, look for hair pistels at the nodes. They will wisp in the air from a flower pod.....but you cannot plan on it.

Take your clones, root them, then flower.....then you will know which mother plant to keep. Or which one to take more clones from :)

[SeedKing72]

Okay, well I cant complain my babies are growing with the exception of one who must be a runt, but perhaps the bitch will still do something.. so I still got 9 + 1 runt going... the goal is 4-5 females, so lets pray.. In a day or so I need to move the lights up an inch, 3-4 more days.. we will re-arrange the room and add the 400 Watt MH and try to add flourescent sideligh that doesnt block the MH, should have pics for that soon..

[SeedKing72]

Well may babies are still growing, I think they are alomst ready to go to the 400 Watt MH Lights, + start strengthening the nutes.. go with 1/2 teaspoon per gallon every water for a week or so (the bottles says 1 teaspoon for every water of Fox Farm Fertilizer Big Grow).. Saturday morning I will re-arrange the closet to hang the 400Watt MHS and somehow get the Florescents horizontal on the side of the plant.. Hopefully I can get them to bewteen 18-24 inches in 5 gallon buckets.. then we will talk about flowering.. seriously considering buying a 600WATT HPS for flowering.. Use my flors and the 400 for a different closet and to start to do SOG with the clones I get.. Got a Hydro kit coming also.. want to see if I can increase my yield with 2-3 hydros instead of 4-5 soils... Thats another thread for another time.

[chonged]

seedking, ur plants' made an excellent recovery :)

whats the heat like the MH bulb gives off ? do u know if a fan blowing on it is enough to sort out any probs?

[SeedKing72]

Yeah, I worried there for awhile that I shocked them with my half ass transplant.. but I tend to them every day.. they are almost like children.. Good question about the heat, I am a bit worried about that.. Fortounately the weather outside is getting really cool, and there is a window in that room... I will watch the heat very closely.. I would be happy to keep it at 80, but it hovers around 85-87, but it is getting cooler outside.. so This saturday I will install the 400WATT light an see what happens, hopefully I will be employed soon and pass the piss test and I can afford a 600Watt HPS and smoke some sack weed..

[HARDDON]

The mid-western latitudes will end summer temps tonight.

From this point on you in that belt or north will no longer have heat problems.

The season change will occur this evening at about 11:30PM EST :)

[SeedKing72]

Im already seeing it, today I almost had to put on sweater.. This is good because my next grow will be in winter..

[seedbare]

how much cash has this grow cost so far seedking??

[SeedKing72]

Well the most expensive piece was the 400 Watt HPS w/Metal Halide Converter Bulb + Timer.. that was $205.00.. so I will estimate below for you

Roughly $420.00- Consider some of this I can use over and over, some of this I could have gottten cheaper, an ounce of weed around my parts is between $100.00 - $150.00, which is usuall crap with a bunch of seeds.. probably 5-6% THC.. all off this is supposed to be 15-20% THC (but I doubt it), so I am gonna say this would sell for $150 an ounce and this is all for my personal use (Perhaps even more, I am not an expert on these things maybe $200.00) so I need 3 ounces to basically get my money back and I am hoping to have 4-5 plants.. Of course I will get clones from this grow and next time I am doing HYDRO.. (If there is a next time I am paranoid)

1- 400 Watt HID + 2 Bulbs + Dig Timer $205.00
2- 5 2*40 Watt Flors fixtures from Sprawl-Mart $8.00 each = $40.00
3- Roughly $22.00 for seeds (I spent $65 for seeds only used 10)
4- 3-Fox Farm Fertilizers roughly $14.00 each (Grow Big, Big Bloom, Tiger bloom) $42.00
5- 5 cool white bulbs $1.75 each $8.75
6- 5 Warm bulbs $3.00 each $15.00
7- 2 bags of dirt $10.00 each = $20.00
8- 5 5 gallon buckets $1.00 each = 5.00
10- 10 6 inch pots $1.49 each = $14.90
11- PH Meter $7.00
12- Super Thrive $7.00
13- Large bag of Perlite $14.00
14- Misc $40.00 (Gas/Extenstion cords/Water bottle/etc/books)

[SeedKing72]

Tommorow my babies are getting the 400Watt MH and side lighting of Flors.. I hope to see quicker growth, hoping to get them to 18 inches in 2-3 more weeks, probably unlikely.. but I plan to flower when they all average 18 inches.. some will reach there faster...

[SeedKing72]

Added the light, man that suckers gets bright

1. How far should the light be from the canopy of the plants?

[HARDDON]

Answeered your question about the light in the other post where you asked it.

Since those are still babies....stay 24" from them for now.

I still say you are better off with proper CFL lighting, but your MH will work....just not as fast and you might get a bit more stretching.

Optimal growth rate I have been able to acheive thus far with CFL's is 3/4" - 1" per day without any stretch.

You can lose the CFL side lighting for now. It isnt and wont do anything but add to the heat. You can turn it off as the canopy of the plant is far too small to cast harmful shadows at this time.

Just a heat maker is all they are........

Ususally with a 400W MH you wont even need CFLs in your latter veg states either. You WILL need them in flower but not even in veg.....not at your current positions....

Good Luck

[SeedKing72]

I wasnt getting much growth with those lights I had.. I think if I had some better quality CLF's I would get that, those shop lights were weak!!

[HARDDON]

Yea, you are right...you made the right call....

although I personally would have hit the good CFL's myself :)

How many sq ft you have? and you have 10 plants, yes?

And you intend to flower how many females....ideally?

[SeedKing72]

1. Sidelights are worthless at this stage... It didnt add anything.. It was more of a hassle than anything.. so I scrapped that idea.. (HARDDON was right)

2. T12 40 Watt bulbs suck, I should have use a T12 Full sprectrum bulb (HARDDON was right again, i added the word suck)

[SeedKing72]

I have 10 plants going 9+1 runt, I hope to get 4-5 Broads... the closet is roughly 5 feet * 2 feet so 10 Square feet So if I can get 4 plants to flower and one for a mother that I will yank out of there.. I would be happy...

[SeedKing72]

Things are still going, plants are growing... I can smell the plants real close and smell the sweet aroma of weed.. 400WATT MH is making a big difference, but the heat is hard to control.. had to open the door wide.. losing light, but the babies are still small so they are getting enough

[budman2000]

Get a fan a make it blow right in between the light and the top of the light, your heat problems will be no more.Happy growing!!!

[Marc Benson]

"had to open the door wide.. losing light"

Mand grows with no refective materials surrounding her grow area and nothing to contain the light in as small of an area as possible. Her plants kick butt. I've seen lots of pics of big grows with huge rooms with the lights just in one area and the plants are those most of us dream of growing.

I think the use of reflective material has been blown out of proportion. For one thing leaves don't have light receptors on the bottom side, so any light reflected to that area does no good, or so the experts suggest. So covering your containers with tin foil does absolutely no good for the plant. White paper to reflect it back up...no good. White rock on the top of the soil...no good. Looks cool though.

All that said it's possible that the plant does lose some light energy because of an open door, but I believe that the amount of benefit it receives from the lost energy is so small of a percentage of the total it does actually use that it would make very little if any difference to it's health.

[budman2000]

Get an A.C. unit and youll be good

[RastaKaze]

White rock on the top of the soil...no good. Looks cool though.

Simply not true. As soon as I took this advice from HD, I noticed secondary growth on a 6 day old seedling almost immeadiately. It's really quite amazing... Not trying to thrash you, as I know you are more experienced then I... but it definitely DOES make a difference. :)

[seedbare]

the plant looks alot better with the mh, the flourescent's must have to be vho to be of much use.

[SeedKing72]

I can see about a 1/2 inch a day.. I want to get these BITCHES to 18 inches

[Marc Benson]

"I noticed secondary growth on a 6 day old seedling almost immeadiately"

I can almost guarantee you that the growth came from the plants natural progression of growth and not from magic rocks...but if you believe that it works then that's cool.

My question would be though is why doesn't every major long time mj grower in the world use such a simple thing? They don't. I haven't seen one grow with rocks on top of the soil or any reflective material for that matter and many of these were dream grows that would blow most grows all to hell. Additionally, if it were such a great technique and really worked then it'd be laid out to do this in every 'grow bible' and grow journal published. It isn't. And I can almost guarantee you (again) that HD wasn't the first one to ever try it. Just never caught on as it never proved itself to work. And I can almost assure you that IF it worked, lots of people would be doing it. They aren't. But to each their own. I probably doesn't hurt, unless it causes the top of the soil to stay wet because not as much air is getting to it and no light and mold starts to grow. Bummer.

[RastaKaze]

Have you given it a try? :) All of my secondaries remained uniform early on... Just a few tiny hair looking things, hell I could hardly see them. Then, now, approximately 18 hours after topping my soil with "magic rocks" I notice not only growth length-wise, but the little hairs themselves are becoming wider, and flat, resembling a leaf more and more by the hour. Let me ask you, on average, how long before your veg plants begin to make secondary progress??? I don't see any on your plant at the moment seed king, perhaps you'll add some rocks and take pics 48 hours later for us? I agree that if it were known to be a benefit among top growers we'd be hearing about it in alot of places... but perhaps that's why we don't... if enough people that havn't tried it or have heard from someone that your plants wont benefit from it, less people are going to be trying. My suggestion? Give it a go. I'm a beginner, yes. But I sense strongly that the rocks made a difference. :) There's no doubt about that.

Peace

[Marc Benson]

No...I never tried it. Just going off what people way more experienced than I have shown to work, and none of them show the use of rocks. And since the person that came up with the 'magic rocks' only had one successful grow to their credit, I don't necessarily go by what they suggest if it goes against what people that have had dozens of grows suggest.

Of course photos of this secondary growth before and after would shut me up. But I think if you're new to this 'hobby' that it indeed can be just regular ol' growth you're seeing and not growth generated by the 'magic rocks'.

The other thing I would suggest is that if your plants are indeed 6 days old (from seed) then one 43 watt cfl would be giving every single part of that plant the maximum light it could recieve. If it's close enough. So to suggest that 'magic rocks' amplify this to the point of making the lower parts of the plant grow faster, is sort of ...well...far fetched as the plant just hasn't grown sufficient amounts of leaves to shade any parts of the plant. Allowing all parts to get max energy. Sorry. I don't buy it. But like I said, that doesn't mean that you can't do it. I just don't think it does anything and as soon as the plant grows any type of foliage, the rocks will be shaded and just be there...to look nice...and maybe promote mold.

[SeedKing72]

Well I can tell you there will be no rocks for this grow.. but I am not against it.. It couldnt hurt it.. so each his own...

[RastaKaze]

Marc, why do you think several rocks on the topsoil promote mold??? Don't most soils contain the occasional pebble? I don't see how a layer of them on top would cause MOLD... anyway's more to the point... I have proof that it works. You see, when I germinated, I did so in soil, so it was inevitable that some would pop before others. However my smallest one, who has received probably a day or so less light the the others, is also showing the same secondary growth as the others, at the same rate... this leads me to beleive that this did not happen solely of natural maturation. Yes, they are under lights, and growing every moment, so photosynthesis is def. a contributor... but so are the rocks. Why else would the younger plant begin showing secondary growth as well?

[RastaKaze]

as soon as the plant grows any type of foliage, the rocks will be shaded and just be there...to look nice...and maybe promote mold.


Yes, but the idea is to get the secondaries going early, so by the time you have tons of foliage they are big enough to receive light, therefore speeding everything up a bit... the earlier the rocks are added, the earlier secondaries appear. Keep in mind applied rocks at day 6 and am noticing immeadiate changes... Imagine had they been there since day 1. :)

[Marc Benson]

We could sit here day after day and never come to any one conclusion. You believe totally that it helped and I don't. You continue to use them and I won't. But it is curious if you believe they helped so much why was it that the person that caused you to use the 'magic rocks' didn't use them in their last/current grows? You sure think that if it was such a boom to growing that they would've had them incorporated into those grows. Kinda makes you wonder. Or at least it does to someone with an open mind.

As far as the mold? Well as I understand it you don't just throw a couple light colored rocks in there. You cover the top of the soil with a layer of them for..."maximum light reflectancy". If this is so anytime you cover the soil, add water and then heat, you promote mold.

I'm done with this. Sorry SK for this taking up so much of your threads space.

[RastaKaze]

hey Marc! Yeah I was wondering the same thing... perhaps that's why he had the foil folded over the sides of his pots? Mabye to imitate the reflectivity of several rocks on the soil surface? Oh well if you say there is a possibility of mold they're coming off... I can't lie they were off the moment you said mold :) Although I must say I am slightly offended by the following:


Kinda makes you wonder. Or at least it does to someone with an open mind.

Was there a purpose to insulting my intelligence? :) Certainly dosen't help SeedKing...


I'm done with this. Sorry SK for this taking up so much of your threads space.

You seem to be treating our conversation as an argument... Be friendly man! No need for confrontation ;) We're all the same...

Peace

[Starseed]

Marc, I have been reading past threads and you seem to be quite the asshole to everyone.

You wouldnt have to apollogize so much for fucking up somebodys thread if you just stopped insulting people, grow, knowledge, or in anyway.
Clearly, rasta is not being an asshole, stop and think and use your BIG brain, maybe you could have come to that conclusion?

If it aint your thread, dont post garbage.

SeedKing, I love your grow, Keep it up man.

[RastaKaze]

With all due respect star it's those kind of comments that cause threads to be hi-jacked... My advice is to not step in if you see that two people might be arguing. I handled Marc's unmannerly comments maturely and respectfully, And that's where it should have ended. You calling MB an asshole is only going to cause more trouble for you... and more annoyance to SK. This is his thread, please, let's respect it. It must dissapointing to see such frequent posts then clicking your thread to discover a bunch of stoned fools arguing :D Like I said before, let's all just get along!

[Marc Benson]

Starseed, I always play the devils advocate. If that makes me an asshole just because people can only think one specific way than I am one. If you can't handle it and see the only way to respond is to called people assholes then I think you need to relook your responses and see who actually is one. (ahem)

Rasta, I meant no disrespect for you when I said what I said. If you took it that way I apologize. I only was suggesting that an open mind sometimes allows a person to see things in a different light...which is sometimes the correct light. And I seriously am stoned very seldom and don't feel when I post I'm a fool. Just trying to help. When someone calls me on it I'll give them as much info as I have or can find and hope it helps.

People are waaaayyy too touchy about these conversations in these forums.

[SeedKing72]

1.Well the 400Watt MH is far superior to the 40Watt Cool white bulbs, I was using.. This was expected..now obviously I am just going by looks... but the runt, which I had thought about killing doesnt look like its a runt anymore.. its start to grow normal, its still the smallest of the bunch but is looks like it will catch up..

2. There is an heat issue, but I have a fan blowing between the light and the canopy and I also have a fan blowing out hot air from the top.. I can't add a A/C unit...

3. Using Fox Farm BIG Grow.. the bottle says use 1 teaspoon every water, this is their weak solution.. I started with 1/4 of that, now I am at 1/2.. This Saturday I will be at 1/1.. I didnt want to burn them, I dont see any problems yet.. but I belive in following the bottles direction so they will get the 1/1.. there is also 2-3 drops of Superthrive in the water... the bottle say 1/4 a teaspoon for full size plants, so I am going to wait until they are a little taller.. Seems like I have to water a lot, the blowing fan and the heat dries out my Perlite/Soil mix quickly.. so Water well every other day, and then every day in the morning I mist the top just to keep it moist.. overwatering is an easy thing to do, so I am playing it close, I will back off if I see any problem..

4. Still hoping to get to 18 Inches, I think if I would have used 400Watt MH sooner... I would have bigger plants, I was just playing it safe

[RastaKaze]

If you can't handle it and see the only way to respond is to called people assholes then I think you need to relook your responses and see who actually is one. (ahem)

Star, THIS is why you don't stick your nose where it dosen't belong ;)


I only was suggesting that an open mind sometimes allows a person to see things in a different light...which is sometimes the correct light.

Oh come on, I took the rocks off didn't I? :D lol... And yes, you may not think yourself a fool when posting... But when it turns into an argument and someone's thread get's trashed (Which it HASN'T yet) they certainly do. That's why I hope star has the sense not to reply. This is SeedKing's thread. From now on, if anyone has a problem, please post a seperate thread titled, "Bull Shit." And MB...


People are waaaayyy too touchy about these conversations in these forums.

AMEN :)

SK, your plants are lookin' good man, keep it up, and yeah, overwatering is easy as FUCK :o It took me a death or two before I relized this. I hope you babes grow up big and strong.. What are all of their names? Good grow, keep us updated.

Peace :D

[seedbare]

as far as overwatering is concerned if you maintain them on a daily basis, its ok if you let them wilt slightly (slightly) then when they recieve water they perk right up.

[Marc Benson]

If a plant wilts it means it's going through stress. Undo stress can and has caused hermies. There's no reason to let your plants wilt. FWIW

[SeedKing72]

Nothing new just a 22 day pic of Hermosa.. Babies are growing.. gotta control heat.. Came home it was 96 in there..DAMN...

[SeedKing72]

Well my thread sucks, I really wanted to show people what I was trying to do. My attitude has always been, when you are doing something that you are a novice at, listen to those who say they know.. not to take all their advice, just to get other peoples opinion. This is why I don't get involved in all the other B/S.. I appreciate all help.. So with that said. I will still maintain this, I think a Newbie, like myself, will learn from whatever the outcome is. I'm high.. so work with me..

Day 24

1. I wish HARDDON was still here, he always had something to say.. Alot of haters on here that take growing weed too seriously.. man its just a plant.. Enough of that

2. Hermosa, is growing slowly, I was expecting faster growth, but they are growing.. the plan was always to grow to 18 -24 inches (closer to 18) .. I want them all to be 18 atleast if possible.. 400Watt Converter bulb is helping, I think what I will do is order a TRUE Metal Halide light... 600 Watt if I have the balls do to this again... PARANOID AS FUCK!!!!!!!

[seedbare]

maybe time for some nutes? try some co2 you can make your own co2 by putting 4 cups of sugar in a gallon of water with some brewers yeast(or you can add a few drops of your own urine) or you can just spray the plant with some seltzer water. I would think if you have a 400w bulb on there, that that's not the problem.

[seedbare]

yeah them stupid fucks are hijacking your thread