Just dropped in to see what condition your condition was in

[BILL THICK]

Hi Gang How's everybody?

- Managed to salvage a couple of my plants after the thieves raked havoc on my crop and my grow room. Doesn't do any good to snivvel and it could have been worse( not much) I could have wound up with nothing. I got lucky and managed to save a couple. :D

Just not sure how much the ravaging has effected my flowering time, I'm sure they must have taken a setback and should stay in flowering a bit longer , don't ya's think? Question is just how long? Guess I'll have to judge by the trichomes but alot of the buds were man handled so they might not be as accurate an indicator?

It's hell being a new dude on his first grow and just not knowing for sure about the little things a grower with a bit of experience would know. Live and learn I suppose

anyhow great bunch ya are here, and mand , she's a sweetie ain't she, had to throw that in, she's too cool. Do hope all is well with ya all

thanks,
Bill :D

[Zandor]

Hey bill do you need anymore seeds or are you still good?

[cptweedmanguy]

what was that zandor you have seeds my friend? what country are you from? i need some asap all i have are fukn shwag seeds from the bricks i pick up : ( :confused:

[BILL THICK]

ZANDOR your just a hell of a good guy. Appreciate your thoughts. wanted to take you up on the clone offer but just not easy to get up that way. Trying to clone from some of the debri left on the floor got a couple to root but not as many as I was hoping for. Even thought about throwing in the towel especially since my security was breached but I got the grow bug so I humbly would be grateful if you could send a few seed my way. managed to get a couple of my plants revived one is a Smoka Cola and it was about to pass the rest in size would have easily yeilded more than pound and a half , will still come close to a pound I think .(thats before drying and curing) had only one plant bigger but it was thrashed . has been a really good grow until the unfortunate part, considering it was my first grow. Couldn't have done it without you and the others in this forums.

I truly believe I can grow trees maybe in the next round. :D

If you really don't mind sending some beans I would be beholding to ya. they can go to the same addy as before if you need me to send it again just let me know.

Thanks a bunch my friend :D
Bill

[HARDDON]

Hang in there Mr. Thicke.

Its good you are back in the saddle. Growing can be very emotional indeed.

Stay in touch with us and let us see your grow friend.

If you have a few leaves still alive, well....you're right at home with us then :)

[Zandor]

Yes Bill send me your safe addy again I don't keep records for everyone's safety just in case.

Zandor at pot.com is the email if you need it buddy.

[BILL THICK]

yOU GUYS ARE ALRIGHT.....
Thanks Hardon for the moral support, it seems trivial to some but not to me . Sometimes ya just need a lil help from your friends.

Thanks to you too, of course, Zandor, sent ya an E-mail. Feel like I been shovelin against the tide ....... looks like I just got a bigger shovel, lol

[HARDDON]

If Zandor sends you some shitty seeds :D, let me know and I'll throw a couple at you too.

[BILL THICK]

Thanks for the offer Harddon I'll keep that in mind, but Zandor doesn't impress me as the kind of guy that would send crap, he doesn't do much of anything half ass from what I can tell......Probably has a set schedule and proven method for scratching his ass in the mornin....LMAO... :eek: (lil humor) :D

I appreciate your offer harddon
Thanks,
Bill

[HARDDON]

ROFLMAO....

"You scratch your ass when the cycle is proper. You allow the ass to tell you when and where to scratch."

LOL..........

Some of you guys make me laff so much....

IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT DAY :)

[BILL THICK]

I tried scratching my ass the last hour of the dark period and I tried it the first hour of the light period..... Seems you are more prone to scratch too deep in the dark and regardless if it is the light or dark period ...you do not sense any flowering stage,....LMAO :D

[Zandor]

They are set to go out in the mail in the AM Bill.

All first class A strains what elses would I have?

As for scratching my ass I don't bother I have several nubies to do that for me. :D

JK.

Peace

[BILL THICK]

ROTFLMAO ..... :D and who might those newbies be lol ?

Thanks again Zandor and only A strain. I had alot of fun with the last ones. I am sure I will again.

Hey Zandor what is your thinking on revegging plants after they finish flowering ??

Thanks Bill

[mand]

Hello Bill :) It's lovely to see you posting and that you've managed to save some plants.
Oh when I read you're post telling about you're plants being "got at" I felt so bloody annoyed. Just between ourselves I'm not over fussy with my plants ;)
but it would still hurt me if they were vandalised.

Anyway Bill at least it's not a total disaster so good luck and don't give in :)

let us know how they go on ;)

love mand xxx :)

[BILL THICK]

Good to see your post too, your always an upswing for everyones mood, thats a very special attribute, having that nac for bringing a positive common ground and a smile to others is way cool.

Sorry you had to to feel annoyed by the bad news, I was a bit annoyed myself( fit to be tied :mad: would be a better description...lol)but like you poi9nted out, it was not a total disaster and Ya never give in !!! My Momma told me one time, she said" Son , you fall down more than just about anyone I have ever known, but I got ta say this for ya, You always get back up!!" (Of course, she wasn't refering to my growing pot :eek: lol).

Anyway thanks Mand always a good cheer to read your post. I'll try to get some post on of my good fortune (being what I got that I growed and not what I don't got that I should of had, iffin ya know what I mean) I think I have developed a new strain ..... It's called, " couch potato shit" In my case they be Mashed potatos :D

After previewing this post I can most assuredly say, pretty good BUZZ, Mashed or not :rolleyes:

Am I in the right forum? hello?.... hello...? is anybody out there???

[BILL THICK]

Everyone says, "I got milk!" , leave it to an old loady to say, "I got beans" .

arrived safely and recieved with alot of appreciation , Thank you my friend, we really must have that beer someday,

Thanks Zandor,
Bill

[HUGEBUDS]

hey zandor im in need of seeds do u think u could send me some ?

[HUGEBUDS]

im doing a dwc on here 4 the boys and gals it would be better if i had a verity to plantr thanks

[mand]

Good to see your post too, your always an upswing for everyones mood, thats a very special attribute, having that nac for bringing a positive common ground and a smile to others is way cool.

Sorry you had to to feel annoyed by the bad news, I was a bit annoyed myself( fit to be tied :mad: would be a better description...lol)but like you poi9nted out, it was not a total disaster and Ya never give in !!! My Momma told me one time, she said" Son , you fall down more than just about anyone I have ever known, but I got ta say this for ya, You always get back up!!" (Of course, she wasn't refering to my growing pot :eek: lol).

Anyway thanks Mand always a good cheer to read your post. I'll try to get some post on of my good fortune (being what I got that I growed and not what I don't got that I should of had, iffin ya know what I mean) I think I have developed a new strain ..... It's called, " couch potato shit" In my case they be Mashed potatos :D

After previewing this post I can most assuredly say, pretty good BUZZ, Mashed or not :rolleyes:

Am I in the right forum? hello?.... hello...? is anybody out there???



Hello Bill :) it's really nice of you to say such things :)

I often wonder how others percive me, I suppose everyone else does as well?.

It can be quite difficult using the written word to convey exactely what and how, you are trying to say.
When I'm talking with someone in person I listen to what they are saying but I also look at their body language, their gestures, and the eyes say enormous amounts of feelings and emotions as well.
It's a little more difficult to do that on here, however after reading someones posts for a while you do kinda get a "feel" for that persons personality ;)


Yes Bill people should always listen to their Mum ;) she is the one person who will always tell you the truth and always give you the most caring advice. I know when I was little my Mum used to say similar things to me , as I did to my kids when they were little.
Now they've grown up though they just see it as "Mums nagging", and what do I know...................Hmmm they'd be supprised ;)

Bye for now, love mand xxx :)

[Zandor]

hey zandor im in need of seeds do u think u could send me some ?
Sorry dude that was the last of my seeds I gave to Bill.

[HARDDON]

Sorry dude that was the last of my seeds I gave to Bill.


:D :D :D

:) :)

;)

[BILL THICK]

Hello Bill :) it's really nice of you to say such things :)

I often wonder how others percive me, I suppose everyone else does as well?.

It can be quite difficult using the written word to convey exactely what and how, you are trying to say.
When I'm talking with someone in person I listen to what they are saying but I also look at their body language, their gestures, and the eyes say enormous amounts of feelings and emotions as well.
It's a little more difficult to do that on here, however after reading someones posts for a while you do kinda get a "feel" for that persons personality ;)


Yes Bill people should always listen to their Mum ;) she is the one person who will always tell you the truth and always give you the most caring advice. I know when I was little my Mum used to say similar things to me , as I did to my kids when they were little.
Now they've grown up though they just see it as "Mums nagging", and what do I know...................Hmmm they'd be supprised ;)

Bye for now, love mand xxx :)


It's true, you don't have the body language, the gestures and of course the eyes to help you relate or not to a person when communicating here. Then again those things can be decieving or falsy alluring as well, but I am sure I would find you the same upswing person I mentioned before and with the extras like body language, gestures and your eyes ...well...... OOOO la la , may like you even more ..... LOL !
hell always listened to mum or she would whoop the tar out me , lol but she didn't tell me that when I was a little guy ,.... she told me that when I was about in my late 30's lol

How's your plants getting along? I find the boring stages of growing my biggest enemy for my plants(well, except theives). seems when I should just let them be, I am forever having to do something. Such as raise move or lower the lightr , fix the method of watering( wind up watering by hand practically anyway lol)tie up or down a limb, or something. Wind up with more busted branches or floods or plants being knocked over than if I just left them alone.

" well I knocked that plant over 15 times and its still alive :eek: , put it in flowering, any plant that strong needs to be flowered !!" LMAO damn thing has battle scars on every water leaf , lol impatient at times I guess. thats what is cool about your method, its relaxed.

well don't mean to highjack the thread, just your fun to talk to and my plants get a break when I am posting lol

better scoot, thanks Mand,
Bill :D

[mand]

Hello Bill :) Believe me love I know what guys are like, when it comes to fiddiling around with things ;) I have four older brothers and they were always getting some new hobby and buying loads of stuff for it, then falling out with it .....having spent a fortune on it (they still do :rolleyes: ).

One of them got into radio hamming ? or whatever it is ?. Anyway he spent thousands on tranformers and whatnot ?, He fell out with it, I told him it would have been cheaper to just ring people on the phone ;)

Like I always say "boys and their toys" :) .


Anyway ;) my present crop is really doing quite ok, I've added a couple of pics for you. They are not quite three weeks old but the weathers getting cooler, summer has finished here so they will slow down a little over the next few months.
As for damaging them you're not on you're own, I've quite often accidentally broken the odd stem or branch :o well they get so tightly packed in there if I want to get one from the back, usually a male to get rid of it. Well I sometimes struggle and manage to disturb those at the front.

I always like to give them the best compost, then you can basiclly forget them, I just water them once a day. My grandad used to have an allotment for growing vegatables and a few flowers, he used to win shows with his produce, and he always used horse muck and made his own compost.
I used to spend hours there when I was little, so with a bit of luck maybe a little of his growing ability has rubbed off on to me :)


Bye for now, love mand xxx :)

[BILL THICK]

your plants are looking healthy, Mand, do you have a length of time that you compost your compost pile. My mom always had a compost pile in the back yard too. did wonders for her garden as well.

Ever try re-vegging or know anything about it?

Been trying to get some pics but one of my digital cameras my computer won't recognize and the other is in need of recharging and I don't have the proper charger for it :( . did manage to get some pics of some of my wood stuff awhile back so I know it works ok.

About ready to harvest the one survivor have her in 24 hour dark right now , .... can hardly wait, still have to cure but it will be fun trimming the buds for now.

let ya know how it goes
c'ya later :D
Bill

[mand]

Hello Bill :) I'm quite pleased with there progress. It is my favourite variety for growing (Skunk#1).
I think I may re-pot them very soon ;)

No I don't have any time period for the compost to rot down, it's been there for quite a few years now and I just add things to the top of it and dig out from underneath the pile. When I re-pot thats a job I do when the compost is needed, I riddle it out very well to get rid of the lumps and bugs, but I have to have someone help me by picking out the worms..............I can't stand to touch them even with gloves on :o

Erm re-vegging, to be truthfull I have no idea what that is :confused: so I'm not much help there :o

I say Bill, whats do you do the 24 hour darkness for love ? I seem to recall hearing that before but I don't know why ?


take care, love mand xxx :)

[BILL THICK]

From what I gather the plants produce resin during the dark period and harvest should take place right at the end of dark period/start of light period. Some growers sometimes put the plants in a 48 hour dark period just prior to harvest, so I didn't see any reason not to give it a try. Can't see how it could do any harm and it might just give the buds a lil resin boost.

going to see what I can find out about re-vegging so got some searching and reading to do .
c'ya later on
bill

[mand]

Hello Bill :) I've remembered now what I heard about the dark period, it was after the plants had been cut, something about hanging them whole in total darkness for a few days before "sorting" them for drying.
I have no idea what difference that would make to be honest ?.

I'm affraid I haven't heard of putting them in total darkness before harvesting ethier :o
I always keep the light on right up to cutting.

I'm sure there are lots of other thoughts and ideas on this subject, It's always good to read them :)


I think my main fault with harvesting is that I cut too soon. Due to lack of patience on my part.
I was a little forced on the last crop though, there was a little seeding on a couple of plants and then there was a touch of bud rot on one.
However bud rot shouldn't be any problem on this next grow because of the time of year. Also this variety usually does quite well and I've never had any seeding on it (yet ;) )


It's intresting to hear and prehaps try some of the different methods ;)



love mand xxx :)

[BILL THICK]

Never enough knowledge. I have over-loaded my brain there is so much to take in , lol.

I can certainly relate to patience being thin towards the end I had trimmed some buds off on plant before the plants were ripped and I had harvested them too early. (maybe in this particular case I should have harvested them all early LOL). I think judging when it's time to harvest is best done by observing the trichomes. Only thing about that is knowing how to read them properly and that I suppose comes with experience. I have had advice ranging from watching until the third set of pistils start to turn brown to counting the nimber of days to looking for the trichomes to be about 20% amber. I have to go with reading the trichomes if for no other reason because it is Zandors advice and don't think ya can go wrong taken his advice. May take some time to be able to read them correctly but once you are able to then I will be able to judge harvest time accurately. Just what I think is best IMO. But still one never totally eliminates that temptation of picking too soon , lol.

I am really struggling with when to harvest the one plant that is left of any possible worthwhile yield. I think it is ready but I have the uncertainty of inexperience.

AH HAH Bwahahahaha..... I think I am going to brave the inevidable and whack it right now!!!( or am I being swept into the evil clutches of impatience???)whack it :eek: or not :confused: (well at the very least, one should have fun with this)whack it???? or no????

yes no yes no yes no........... :D

[trummel]

Hi,

I just wanted to stop in and share my experience on the (imagine darth vader's breathing sound in the background) DARK phase :D

Plants, of course, gain their power during the light cycle hence the sun (or the lamps in a indoor system) and use up this power to "grow" in the dark cycle. That's why for some people a 24/0 setup doesn't seem to make much sense, because the plant itself doesn't have time to fully regenerate and "relax" (one reason, why i always vegged on 18/6, next to the power bill ;))

Same, of course, can be translated into the blooming phase: 12/12 is not only important to trick the plants into flowering, but the power that is gained during the light cycle will be processed in the dark cycle, making the buds/resin to grow (instead of the whole plant using it's power to "stretch" for the light, at least that's the theory, even with blueish lights with 6500 kelvin colortemperature during the vegging phase to make them grow "bushy" instead of "stretchy").

So leaving the plants in complete darkness before they're harvested makes the plants use all their power for the resin production (that's why you also should harvest shortly before a new light cycle.. or at the end of a dark cycle)

unfortunately i don't have any comparison pictures on my pc anymore, but we once tested this by growing white widow and leaving half of the plants in complete darkness for 5 days prior to harvest, and the difference was like night and day..
the plants that have been harvested regularly were (of course) nice with a lot of resin, but those that have been into 5 days of darkness prior to harvest were COMPLETELY white, and fully explained the name "white widow".. resin EVERYWHERE.. i have been growing myself for a lot of years and i haven NEVER seen such plants before and if someone would have told me, that this makes such a difference i would have NEVER believed this person, but i saw this with my own eyes.. after this experience i never missed out on the dark phase anymore ;)

the watering during this period was simple, since you shouldn't add any nutrients within the last weeks anymore anyhow (you don't want your buds to taste chemical, so two weeks prior to harvest we always flushed them and used plain water afterwards) so you don't need to open the door to the chamber/closet/whereever you're growin in at all (if you have an external rez as we used to have)

[BILL THICK]

Thanks for the information it helped to solidify my using a dark period before harvest and provided further understanding of the concept and I will adjust my before harvest dark period accordingly.

Can you give me your input on how you determine when your going to harvest like three weeks prior to them being harvested right up to the few days of dark before harvest? Be interested in your methods?

Any input you might have on re-vegging would be cool too, if you find the time?

Don't want to over do your good nature but anything you might add would be appreciated.

good information , thank you,
Bill

[HARDDON]

An added thought to Trummels post...

THC is indeed peaked in the darkness. However the dark benefits do not stop there. during your harvest, trim, dry and cure....darkness is still important.

Light will act to degrade the THC and thus a plant harvest properly after the night period will suffer if dryed, cured in light.

Storage should always be done in darkness.

[mand]

Hello Trummel, Harddon :)

Intresting posts, I really do read the different ways and methods ;) , I think it sounds worthwhile try a dark period before the next harvest. Well I tend to cut them at different times so if I try the dark period on the last ones, that will give me something to make a comparrasion with.
Thanks guys :)

love mand xxx :)

[trummel]

Hello Trummel, Harddon :)

Intresting posts, I really do read the different ways and methods ;) , I think it sounds worthwhile try a dark period before the next harvest. Well I tend to cut them at different times so if I try the dark period on the last ones, that will give me something to make a comparrasion with.
Thanks guys :)

love mand xxx :)


that sounds like a good plan to me, for a one on one comparison with the same strain, but usually people start flowering all plants at the same time (don't know about you) so they wouldn't know when to harvest them correctly (since it's completely dark in there)

to solve this instead of doing guesswork, we have always had more than one growing chamber with the same strain, so it was pretty easy for us to estimate a week before harvest to set one in complete darkness (we never decided weeks in advance when to do that.. such decisions can only be made when looking at the plants on time and estimating their ETH (estimated time of harvest ;))
whenever the same strain in the regular 12/12 chamber was ready we started harvesting both..

we could have varied this phase, but to be honest we're lazy suckers, and once we start harvesting, we wanted to finish everything in "one" go and not having to restart over again (which we had to do anyhow because of multiple locations) ;)

sorry bill, i don't have much info on re-vegging, because at that time clones were legal in austria (they're not anymore) and we had no trouble getting them.. well actually i was the one selling them to multiple friends (so they didn't care, and i got some money off the clones) and we always "re-filled" the spots right away


by the way, i fully agree with harddon on the "light" factor, but it's pretty hard to harvest, trim etc. in the complete dark.
here one of those red lights that are also used for film- or photo-labs can help (low wavelenght and it's easy on the eyes.. might take you 10 minutes to get fully adapted, but then you'll see pretty clear), or, if you have the money for some "toys for boys" you could use nightvision-goggles as we did once (and they ARE fun if you're moving around in a house that's completely dark ;))

[HARDDON]

LOL...

I didnt mean to suggest darkness.....lol.......

Just not any lights that are bright and or sunshine :)

[trummel]

LOL...

I didnt mean to suggest darkness.....lol.......

Just not any lights that are bright and or sunshine :)


hehe, even though you didn't mean to suggest complete darkness, it's still best :)


by the way, not to get my posting wrong, of course we didn't use the nightvision goggles to harvest, we "just" used them to walk around parts of a house we were growing in during the dark cycle, but i guess harvesting using them could be fun as well.. :)

[BILL THICK]

what difference does making the cuts (when havesting ) in the dark make?

[HARDDON]

Light degrades THC.

Expose your stuff to as little light as possible from harvest to smoke :)

[trummel]

Light degrades THC.

Expose your stuff to as little light as possible from harvest to smoke :)

also get yourself some black baggies, and don't use those see-through ones ;)

[BILL THICK]

well tried the dark for four days on six plants in soil. They all showed significant frosting increase especially on four of the six. The other two seemed to flourish and had a bit more frosting but gave me the feeling they may not have been close enough to harvest. Five of the six were ones the thieves had mangled and it is hard to get a good estimate of the trichomes because it appears the trichs have lost alot of the spheres off there stems(which I assume is from being man handled) lots of trich stems many look like hooks but limited spheres.? But all in all I would say the 4 days of dark did wonders. Put the two back in flower along with two that frosted alot and harvested the other two frosted to get some comparisons. Biggest problem now for me seems to be determining when the plant is close to harvest time??? The Dark period before harvest DOES work!! Thanks Trummel and Hardon for the really good info.

Peace
Bill

[latewood]

Great thread...Bill, Theives?...being out of town, I missed it...What happened, If it is long and drawn out, just direct me to the post, thanks, glad to here about your frost.

I also leave my harvest in the dark prior to chopping 3-5 days, as stated above, when I get the feeling that they are ready...just my $.02
H my addy is latewood@ :cool:

[BILL THICK]

hey Latewood- Yeah theives , not much more to say , they got in and looks like they just started yanking buds off the plants , as I'm sure you know buds don't yank real well but the plants were all mangled and knocked over . Crop was pretty much ruined . Managed to revive a couple and am giving the reveg thing a shot with a few. I did catch up with the little bastards , just kids not much you can do , (took a big biker friend over and scared the dickens out of them , lol should of seen there faces when he tore their screen door off and started chewing on the metal :eek: :D )not much of a compensation for what they did but not much ya can do really

I was having a little trouble judging for harvest looking at the trichs anyway before but it was even harder after they were mangled . I guess the trichs come off pretty easy anyway but after being molested they lost alot. You got any hints for judging harvest you may have come across in your studies that may make judging harvest any easier in the future? Can't ever have enough input I figure. I have been looking at the trichs but ya know that feeling of inexperience where your just not sure, well thats where I am , ...lol.
Any and all input welcomed

good ta see ya back
peace
Bill