Skimming off the top (Family members??)

[lemonboy]

Does your dealer/supplier skim some off the top of every bag? Do you willingly put up with this? One of my local suppliers has been my step-brother for years but I've vowed not to buy from him anymore. He takes too much off the top. I expect friends and such to skim a nug or two but not so much that it is obvious. This particular step-brother loves to ensure me that the bag is straight when I exchange with him even before I ask. I am a heavy smoker and find this quite insulting. We are close and I would hate to alienate him but I feel he started this. How do you tell someone you care about that what he is doing just isn't cool without ruining a family bond?

I talked this over with another one of my brother's and he confirmed that said brother was skimming more than necessary off the top. He also told me that he had warned said brother of such behavior. I just don't know what to do. I want to say SOMETHING to him, even if I don't plan to buy anymore.

The guy we are talking about is an 18 year old college student. Kinda hard to be expected to dumb-it-down.

[KronicKing]

buy a digital scale and make him throw it on there in front of you,if he ask "what,don't you trust me?" a blank face,a stare and a firm "No" will put him in his place,it makes me sad that fellow stoners can't just stop being greedy,it's called self control and they should learn it,if i'm sold a skimp sack i'd tell them to pay me a few bucks to make up for it or would ask for him to add some to the next sack to make up for it or would never speak to them again...but if it where my brother i just would'nt buy from them again if he refused either option,like you said,don't wish to alienate a family member.i used to get skimp sacks all the time,i got sick of it and now demand to see it on a scale(digital only,hang scales are inacurate)or tell them they can keep it

[lemonboy]

Yes, I guess a scale is the obvious choice. I hate to call him a liar to his face though. Our family, although odd, is very close. I'd rather call him on it outside a buy and have him stop. I guess this is idealistic though.

I have three brothers and have smoked them out countless times. Although I was not the first to get high I am the designated pot-head of the group. I find it simply insulting that he would assume I wouldn't notice a light bag. On the same hand, I recognize it as my fault for not bringing this to his attention sooner.

I treat my herb as a companion, I guess, and would not expect my brothers to screw me like this. I have smoked more with them than they have bought combined. I'm still at a loss for how to approach this.

[Edgar]

hmmm

Be simple.

Say "I know you've been skimming a little off the top, so dont even try to sell me a light bag again."

Or something to that effect.

[lemonboy]

I just tend to be more non-confrontational than that. He is a good guy that I respect. How can I appeal to his good side while acknowledging this theft? I am a sensitive guy. I insist on approaching this appropriately.

Prior to this I was all about giving my guys a few nugs every time I bought a bag. I have done this ever since I started smoking. It is the way I do business. I've recently stopped the freebies though. I'm a nice guy, but weed is too expensive to GIVE to people that steal from you.

[Edgar]

Well, if you see him sell someone else a light bag, you could say I hope you dont do that to me.

[lemonboy]

I'm not in with his clique or any of the guys he hangs out with. I'm several years older so I guess this is only natural. Actually I guess in the past I've smoked out many of his friends. Perhaps this situation has no solution. I doubt I'll ever feel comfortable buying from him again.

I guess I just think it is important to call a foul a foul. I've listened to him complain about lots of shitty buys before. What gives him the right to cheat me?

[phoenix]

It'd probably be best to just confront him, say you're okay with him skimmin a little bit, but to try takin less from now on. I'm a very forward person though, I don't know about you.

[Edgar]

Well, sometimes confrontation is necessary but ...

You could try to be delicate about it... Like say you buy some from him and then say this feels a little light, thus inviting him to either lie or correct his 'honest mistake'.

[lemonboy]

I was thinking about smoking him out with some really nice stuff and bringing it up. It is hard to play dumb when you're high as shit. I guess the upside is that I consistently have the best stash of the group, and they know it! :)

[hothippygirl]

Always offer to smoke him out. And then before you leave, always ask if he needs some to get him by --"Did you snag a bud for yourself? Or should I leave you one?"
Kinda use the reverse psychology on him and make him feel guilty and greatfull for you all at the same time. If that doesnt work; then it is time for a confrontation. It is O.K. to argue once in awhile; but once it gets to the point of a shouting match, it's time to leave for awhile. Come back later when you can finish your arguement without yelling.

[lemonboy]

Your advice is great but it still contends on a good bit of falsification. I'm non-confrontational but I am real. I have a hard time asking someone if he "needs any" after it is obvious he has taken some. This would be only enabling a dishonest supplier. Though, I would never shout over weed. My fraternal brother once went off on me for not smoking a THIRD bowl with him. Granted, he was drunk at the time, but I quickly dropped him back at his house and left. I have no time for those games.

[likemclever]

He's only skimming from you because he knows your non-confrontational....

He's taking advantage of your kindness...

Not only that...but I'm guessing he's selling to other people as well....and if he's skimming from his own brother he's skimming from them to..

If he does that to the wrong person...it could be really bad for him...

look at it this way you could be saving him a trip to the hospital....or even worse.

[lemonboy]

Good point. It is probably better to hear such news from a family member than a stranger with a gun! Next time I have some true chronic I will call him up, smoke him out, and bring it up. This has GOT to be the best-case scenario.

[likemclever]

Look ...your his big bro.

Yeah, he's fucking you over and that sux but seriously I wouldn't put it past somebody to get a bat and ring his bell......I mean come on you know how people are.

Come at him like it's a safety issue (which it is).....maybe you would be more comfortable handling it that way.

If he gets the shit beat out of him....your gonna feel really bad for not saying something.

If he gets the shit beat out of him anyway...at leist you can point and say I told you so.

[lemonboy]

You're exactly right and I am formulating a good strategy. It's just sad to encounter this so close to where I rest my head. Being honest in this game seems to leave you so vulnerable.

[Garden Knowm]

you could quit buying weed?














and start growing.... and then sell to him...






you'd skim off the top off course... LOL

hahaha

[lemonboy]

Finding "quality weed" is a toss up for me no matter whom I buy from face-to-face. It seems this entire city is stuck in some kind of rut. I have bought quality shit from him before, but as you insinuated, this abuse isn't worth anything. I won't be buying through him anymore regardless of how well this turns out.

For the record, I wouldn't skim off the top unless I had their blessing. If I was going to take a nug or two I would tell someone FIRST. Waiting for someone to ask or assume is bad business.

[beachguy in thongs]

Don't be putting yourself 'further into the hole' by offering him some of your prized herb. He doesn't deserve it. My choice would be to hold it against him, in every way that you possibly can.

Right now, I am scared for the people on that airbus that's gonna land at LAX with a twisted front wheel. I've been drinking so tell your brother not to sell me a bag after I've had a few.

[lemonboy]

I think offering someone a few hits of something kind is a nice way to let them know there are no hard feelings. Really, I have no regrets and will be glad not to harbor any ill-will. I just want it out in the open. My stomach turns over Sunday dinners thinking his munchies are the result of bud I paid for.

[tylerkane]

Two words:
Man up.
Tell your little fucking step brother that you are getting tired of this shit and the next time he does it, you will kick his ass.
Who cares? He's family, lol.

[Clow Dee]

Two words:
Man up.
Tell your little fucking step brother that you are getting tired of this shit and the next time he does it, you will kick his ass.
Who cares? He's family, lol.

I like that mentality. Let the little bugger know your fed up with the pinching. Tell him about weed karma, and the benefits, of not shorting out peoples bags. and not smoking all your weed to the dome, and the results of not packing bowls even though you have weed, and on and on and on.

Something needs to be said, maybe even a little rough play.

[lemonboy]

I know I've replied to almost every post but I've been thinking about this for a while. He is younger but he is much bigger than me. We aren't related by blood so I guess he's getting a little something extra in the gene department. As I have said, this has been my own fault ultimately. If I had called foul on the first bag we wouldn't be here, but I didn't. I just don't want to fuck up a kid, let alone my own family. It is an interesting bond we share and something I will have to deal with for the rest of my life. Ha, I only wish he shared my mentality.

Karma is already something I believe in. I know his dishonesty will affect him one way or another. Somehow I just don't think he is smart enough to realize this.

[tylerkane]

Never said you had to fuck him up, just beat his ass, in a brotherly way.

[lemonboy]

LOL, this might be possible with my younger step-brother but not the elder. He has several inches on me. Well, height-wise at least... :rolleyes:

[beachguy in thongs]

I'd still hold it against him.

[tylerkane]

I have a question, didn't read everything but, have you ever confronted him about this?

[lemonboy]

Yeah. Regardless of the outcome I am not placing any more phone calls in his direction. Back to what I said before this page-turn... (We both posted at about the same time!)
LOL, this might be possible with my younger step-brother but not the elder. He has several inches on me. Well, height-wise at least... :rolleyes:

[KronicKing]

Yes, I guess a scale is the obvious choice. I hate to call him a liar to his face though. Our family, although odd, is very close. I'd rather call him on it outside a buy and have him stop. I guess this is idealistic though.

I have three brothers and have smoked them out countless times. Although I was not the first to get high I am the designated pot-head of the group. I find it simply insulting that he would assume I wouldn't notice a light bag. On the same hand, I recognize it as my fault for not bringing this to his attention sooner.

I treat my herb as a companion, I guess, and would not expect my brothers to screw me like this. I have smoked more with them than they have bought combined. I'm still at a loss for how to approach this.
i understand,it's pretty much the same with me and my brother,he smokes,but i'm the pot head,my brother has totaly let me down lately(long story)and i've lost all respect for him,i don't think i'd let him smoke with me...which is sad :( we were always super close and i got him high all the time(he's 19 and off at college now,i'm 16)we're still close,i just don't have any respect for him...but sorry for my life story,good luck with your brother,you seem alot like me being non-confrontational,i learned the hard way that i can't do that with people i'm close to,if it's someone i can tell to fuck off then i'll probly just take the sack and smoke it and say "shit happens,just don't step in it" but if it's someone i'll be talking to for the rest of my life i can't really do that.i say get high and confront him,if things don't go well and he leaves,well then smoke another bowl and deal with it when your done eating ;)

[likemclever]

Or you could just do what Scarlett did one time......She was having "issues" with her roomate and everyone talked about it for a long ass time.....then she just e-mailed her the thread......lol.

(I think I remember that happening)

[lemonboy]

I have a question, didn't read everything but, have you ever confronted him about this?Not yet. I know it probably seems pussy-esque to most. It's just not my nature to be confrontational about things I deem so trivial.

[tylerkane]

Before/if you kick his ass, which I advise you do, you should ask him why he has been pinching his brotha from a different motha, lol.

[KronicKing]

I know I've replied to almost every post but I've been thinking about this for a while. He is younger but he is much bigger than me. We aren't related by blood so I guess he's getting a little something extra in the gene department. As I have said, this has been my own fault ultimately. If I had called foul on the first bag we wouldn't be here, but I didn't. I just don't want to fuck up a kid, let alone my own family. It is an interesting bond we share and something I will have to deal with for the rest of my life. Ha, I only wish he shared my mentality.

Karma is already something I believe in. I know his dishonesty will affect him one way or another. Somehow I just don't think he is smart enough to realize this.
haha it's the same way with me and my brother,he's 5'10 and i'm 6'4,he's 19(or will be this month) and i'm 16,we're bilogicaly related though :),my dad is 6'4 aswell and has pretty much the exact body build i do,i guess he leaned more towards my mum,she's about 5'6-5'7

[lemonboy]

My eldest step-brother is four years younger, 3" taller, and heavier. Yeah his dad is big so it figures. I think an aggressive physical response is out of the question :)

[beachguy in thongs]

You know, brother or not, it still pisses me off that the guy (kid) can kick your ass and take your weed. Except he's not doing any ass-kicking, he's just taking your weed. Keep me updated, Lemonboy, I'm really concerned.

[lemonboy]

I'm the kind of guy that will keep giving people second chances betting on the virtues of humanity, especially where my family is concerned. Don't be concerned for me. I totally accept responsibility. I don't think he would ever try and assault me unless I directly harmed him. I'm the wise, artistic, stoner brother. I guess this makes me easy to take advantage of.

[tylerkane]

This must be his 100th chance?
Come on dude, you have to talk to him or kick his ass, lol

[Melton420]

to be a true dealer you give the customer what they want if they buy a dub give them a dub if they want an ounce give them the WHOLE ounce

[lemonboy]

I can count on one hand the number of times I've bought through him. It isn't like I'm allowing myself to be taken advantage of on a daily basis. It was the last bag that pushed me over the edge when it was obviously too light. This is when I consulted another brother to confirm my suspicious.

It won't be happening any more and I will confront him somehow over the next few weeks. Bringing him out as I smoke him and a group of his friends out would sure turn his face red. :)

[likemclever]

to be a true dealer you give the customer what they want if they buy a dub give them a dub if they want an ounce give them the WHOLE ounce

That's what I'm talking about........the WHOLE oz.
:D :D :D

[beachguy in thongs]

I'm the kind of guy that will keep giving people second chances betting on the virtues of humanity, especially where my family is concerned. Don't be concerned for me. I totally accept responsibility. I don't think he would ever try and assault me unless I directly harmed him. I'm the wise, artistic, stoner brother. I guess this makes me easy to take advantage of.

Don't accept responsibility. If he had never been in your life, he would never smoke your weed. If he wasn't your step-brother, you never would have gave him a second-chance, but maybe you would have. Also, if your parent had decided to marry someone else, you might have gotten a cooler step-brother. Then, there's the fact that your step-brother's head was blown up by his 'real' family to the point where he thinks he can take advantage of people. There is no blame to be put on you. I guess, blame yourself for liking weed, but that's all.

Since you had to call him, he probably doesn't live with you. I don't know where that point will lead, but, think about it. He's no better than your best-friend, step-blood or not. What would you do if it was your sister who did that? Just remember, no matter how big he is, you have the same rights as him. Plus, you are older, so you HAVE to teach him, and my first lesson would be not to "gyp" people on life (cannibus=life).

You really should keep this guy out of your life, until he learns.

[stonerpoet]

My sisters man use to always "pinch" a bowl cuz he hooked it up. Well I started smoking at least one bowl with them if they hooked me up just cuz they help'd or w/e. But i found out he kept doing it. so i confronted my sister and i stopped going thru them for quite some time. now when i go with them i make sure he doesnt leave me sight with my weed.

[beachguy in thongs]

Before: Lemonboy After: Stonerpoet.

[lemonboy]

No, he doesn't live with me. Putting him out of my life isn't an option though. I don't live with my family but I try to make it to a Sunday dinner every now and then. The point I've been trying to make, is that this is someone I want to continue to value and look in the eye. Far removed, perhaps, but he is still family.

[beachguy in thongs]

Okay, if you want to keep him in your life, he must have something good in him.
Make a joke about it, maybe. Next time, you see him take a little extra food, tell him now you know what he looks like when he grabs in your bag for 'brain-food' (pot).

[beachguy in thongs]

I'll think of others, I'm drunk now, so if you just bare with me, I'll help you out of this no matter how many times I'm wrong. I wasn't in the same situation, but I do have a younger step-brother. He went to jail for Heroine, but he's out now and started a family, prematurely, I think.

[likemclever]

If he was my family.....I would just leave it alone....but never buy from him again....if he asks why you stoped buying through him......then tell him.

[beachguy in thongs]

I think he might want to share the whole experience with family, rather than a street-dealer (who'd probably hook him up phat).

[beachguy in thongs]

fouling off? f***ing off
You mean, like, in baseball?

[beachguy in thongs]

My fraternal brother once went off on me for not smoking a THIRD bowl with him. Granted, he was drunk at the time, but I quickly dropped him back at his house and left. I have no time for those games.

Maybe you should take his advice and go off on your step-brother. You have (wait, by fraternal, do you mean like a fraternity?) still remained friends with your fraternal brother and you should expect your step-brother to do the same. If he doesn't then you know who the better man is, because when the shoe was on your foot, you forgave your fraternal brother.

[beachguy in thongs]

You know, I've been treated better by black people while I was walking around NYC, by myself, all night long. Got weed twice (two dimes) and not gyped, nor did they run away with my money. Complete strangers.

[likemclever]

it's weed karma... ;)

[Ganj]

Does your dealer/supplier skim some off the top of every bag? Do you willingly put up with this? One of my local suppliers has been my step-brother for years but I've vowed not to buy from him anymore. He takes too much off the top. I expect friends and such to skim a nug or two but not so much that it is obvious. This particular step-brother loves to ensure me that the bag is straight when I exchange with him even before I ask. I am a heavy smoker and find this quite insulting. We are close and I would hate to alienate him but I feel he started this. How do you tell someone you care about that what he is doing just isn't cool without ruining a family bond?

I talked this over with another one of my brother's and he confirmed that said brother was skimming more than necessary off the top. He also told me that he had warned said brother of such behavior. I just don't know what to do. I want to say SOMETHING to him, even if I don't plan to buy anymore.

The guy we are talking about is an 18 year old college student. Kinda hard to be expected to dumb-it-down.


this might of been said already but, dude! he's family, he should be the easiest to tell. i mean, the least that will come out of it is a good 'ol family feud and let's face it, family members are the best to fight with.

[beachguy in thongs]

That's it Ganj, spark a brawl.

[beachguy in thongs]

it's weed karma... ;)

I prefer to call it, the work of "THE GREEN SPIRITS"!

[lemonboy]

Dude he's family? I think it is even harder to tell a family member they have fucked someone over, much less fucked YOU over. I plan on letting him know exactly what I think VERY soon. I just wanted some fellow stoner input. Many thanks.

[beachguy in thongs]

Well, thanks for drawing us in your trap. I knew you had the answer all along!

[likemclever]

....beachguy are you getting drunk???????? :)

[beachguy in thongs]

getting?????????????? getting... to get and to give... giving?????? or is it to forgive and forget?

[likemclever]

Why drink vile posion when you have perfectly good lungs to fuck up.

[beachguy in thongs]

Perfectly good resin? No, I'm fucking up my perfectly shitty lungs with Kamel Reds. The beer reminds me of the days when I was living 500 miles, from where I grew up, with two close friends. I just like to laugh at myself and a little later, I'm scraping, but I'm funny as hell as a drunk.

[likemclever]

drinking makes me sleepy....

[beachguy in thongs]

Anything that causes mental changes, keeps me awake forever. Go to sleep, now, likem. I'll wake you up, if you can hear the tapping of my keys at 11:30 A.M.

[beachguy in thongs]

Only kidding, stay up with MEeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[likemclever]

11:30AM I fucking wish..

6:30AM :(

[likemclever]

Go to chat so we can stop fucking up all these threads....K.....K.

[beachguy in thongs]

k...k

[amydan420]

I think offering someone a few hits of something kind is a nice way to let them know there are no hard feelings. Really, I have no regrets and will be glad not to harbor any ill-will. I just want it out in the open. My stomach turns over Sunday dinners thinking his munchies are the result of bud I paid for.
i totally agree