another victory as Afghans head back to POLLS.

[amsterdam]

the people of Afghanistan will again walk to the polls to participate in a democratic election.this time around about 12 million people have registered to vote.

what a horrible country we are.


gotta love it.watching lefties eat crow,

[amsterdam]

victory,,,feels good.

[Psycho4Bud]

They're doing it in the face of Taliban death threats also. Says quite a bit for the people of the country!! Good luck to all of them!!! :)

[HalfBakedPrince]

what a horrible country we are.


I don't see anything ironic in that statement: The U.S. -- along with Russia, China, the Vatican, multinational business interests, and the religious extremists in the Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent -- plays a vital role in propagating the authoritarian mindset that has retarded the evolution of human civilisation for generations.

I'm not going to side with one evil over a greater or a lesser on: I'm going to use my pen, my voice, my wallet, and my ballot to strike them all.

[pisshead]

yeah, when i saw that old lady with her gun being confiscated, and then tackled to the ground and forced out of her house at gunpoint, i felt so proud.

americaaa...fuck yeah! the military disarming you and forcing evacuations, which bush says we need more of, is actually freedom! and his demopublican cohorts will agree! vote demopublican and republicrat for tyranny, which is freedom!

she should have just given up and be grateful for that freedom and protection the loving feds give her as a privilege. they should have liberated her right there and then and just killed her, to protect her freedom.

http://www.gunowners.org/notb.htm

the neo-cons will think i'm a liberal for posting this from a pro 2nd amendment site too, because of that doublethink nonsense.

[Psycho4Bud]

yeah, when i saw that old lady with her gun being confiscated, and then tackled to the ground and forced out of her house at gunpoint, i felt so proud.

americaaa...fuck yeah! the military disarming you and forcing evacuations, which bush says we need more of, is actually freedom! and his demopublican cohorts will agree! vote demopublican and republicrat for tyranny, which is freedom!

she should have just given up and be grateful for that freedom and protection the loving feds give her as a privilege. they should have liberated her right there and then and just killed her, to protect her freedom.

http://www.gunowners.org/notb.htm

the neo-cons will think i'm a liberal for posting this from a pro 2nd amendment site too, because of that doublethink nonsense.

Hey pissy, why don't you address the thread instead of your own agenda...AGAIN!

[ermitonto]

Yeah, isn't it wonderful how we gave them all this freedom after we murdered a whole bunch of them? We're so great!

Oh wait, I forgot, the new fundamentalist Afghani government is banning non-violent political groups like RAWA (http://www.rawa.org/) just like the old fundamentalist Afghani government did.

[Mojavpa]

Yeah, isn't it wonderful how we gave them all this freedom after we murdered a whole bunch of them? We're so great!

Oh wait, I forgot, the new fundamentalist Afghani government is banning non-violent political groups like RAWA (http://www.rawa.org/) just like the old fundamentalist Afghani government did.

Yup, and many parts of Afghanistan are still controlled by warlords.

[ermitonto]

Yup, and the American forces are purposefully ignoring some of the warlords. Pakistan wants to build an oil pipeline to the Indian Ocean so it can control the oil supplies to India and China, but the US wants instead for a different pipeline that goes through the Caspian Sea and the Caucusus to Turkey's Mediterranean shore that will provide Europe and North America with oil. What an amazing coincidence that the warlords the American forces are ignoring are right where the Pakistani pipeline would go!

[bhallg2k]

They're doing it in the face of Taliban death threats also. Says quite a bit for the people of the country!! Good luck to all of them!!! :)

Weren't we supposed to have gotten rid of the Taliban?

[ermitonto]

Nope, the Taliban is still around. The US just restored the Northern Alliance as the ruling fundamentalist warlords in the country. But they're letting some of the Taliban stay around so the Pakistani pipeline can't get completed.

[Psycho4Bud]

Yup, and why did we attack Afghanistan again...OHHH Yah, that little episode called 9-11. Sould have just forgave em' I guess! :rolleyes:

[ermitonto]

I fail to see how 9/11 justified replacing one set of brutal fundamentalist warlords with another. Especially when our previous experience in trying that put into power a brutal fundamentalist government called the Taliban (who'd a thunk?). Whatever the best solution is, bombing innocent people (and thereby creating more people angry enough to resort to terrorism) and forcing ANOTHER oppressive fundamentalist theocracy on them is one of the worst ways of addressing the problem.

Remember, your government trained and funded both Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. What makes you think the US government has any business in Afghani politics with that kind of reputation?

[F L E S H]

Yup, and why did we attack Afghanistan again...OHHH Yah, that little episode called 9-11. Sould have just forgave em' I guess! :rolleyes:
Nah, it was more of a show. You guys HAD to attack somebody, right? Might as well make it Afghanistan!

Amster and Psycho, you make me sick, constantly patting yourselves on the back for shit you have no idea about. I bet in 20 years, you'll be really happy when the US finds some other excuse to invade afghanistan once again (like what's been going on for the past 100 years...) and then you'll be praising yourselves again. You know, it's a serious psychological condition to always have to remind yourselves how high and mighty you are. You cause death and misery all over the world (edit: oh yeah, I almost forgot, in your own country too!), and then you suck each others' dicks when you pretend to clean it all up. Nice way of doing things...

[Mojavpa]

Nah, it was more of a show. You guys HAD to attack somebody, right? Might as well make it Afghanistan!

Amster and Psycho, you make me sick, constantly patting yourselves on the back for shit you have no idea about. I bet in 20 years, you'll be really happy when the US finds some other excuse to invade afghanistan once again (like what's been going on for the past 100 years...) and then you'll be praising yourselves again. You know, it's a serious psychological condition to always have to remind yourselves how high and mighty you are. You cause death and misery all over the world (edit: oh yeah, I almost forgot, in your own country too!), and then you suck each others' dicks when you pretend to clean it all up. Nice way of doing things...


:eek:

[Psycho4Bud]

Nah, it was more of a show. You guys HAD to attack somebody, right? Might as well make it Afghanistan!

Amster and Psycho, you make me sick, constantly patting yourselves on the back for shit you have no idea about. I bet in 20 years, you'll be really happy when the US finds some other excuse to invade afghanistan once again (like what's been going on for the past 100 years...) and then you'll be praising yourselves again. You know, it's a serious psychological condition to always have to remind yourselves how high and mighty you are. You cause death and misery all over the world (edit: oh yeah, I almost forgot, in your own country too!), and then you suck each others' dicks when you pretend to clean it all up. Nice way of doing things...

Sorry to hear your sick, take two asprin and post to me in the morning.
Such an elequint speaker. Must be nice to sit up North knowing the big dog has your ass covered. Is this just a jealousy thing? :D

[ermitonto]

Must be nice to sit up North knowing the big dog has your ass covered.
You do know Canada has a military, don't you? It may not be as big as America's, but then again they don't go around bombing everybody who disagrees with them. There really isn't much militant "anti-Canadianism" going on, you know.

[Psycho4Bud]

I know they have an army and I know they appreciate the U.S. and Great Britain watching their backs. How long do you think they would have stayed safe against the U.S.S.R. if it wasn't for us?

[ermitonto]

Well, they were about as "safe" as you can be when the entire world is under the constant threat of nuclear war. Frankly, I don't think the Soviets would have cared much about Canada if they followed a more neutral path like India or Egypt rather than allying themselves explicitly with the US. But such historical speculation is beside the point. Right now they don't really need protecting since they don't have any real significant external threats.

[Psycho4Bud]

Well, they were about as "safe" as you can be when the entire world is under the constant threat of nuclear war.

Nuclear war may be the wrong phrase...I prefer mutual destruction. Keeps the situation in perspective...hopefully for the button pushers also!

Frankly, I don't think the Soviets would have cared much about Canada if they followed a more neutral path like India or Egypt rather than allying themselves explicitly with the US. But such historical speculation is beside the point.

They were on a mission though..agreed?

Right now they don't really need protecting since they don't have any real significant external threats.

And they are sincerely welcomed! :D

[ermitonto]

Back on topic...

The United States government does not really care about the level of "freedom" or "democracy" in Afghanistan and its other satellite states. If it did, it would demand the existence of such basic freedoms as freedom of assembly (as I mentioned before, non-violent political groups are STILL banned), freedom of religion (not possible under the theocracy known as the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan...but I guess fundamentalists like Bush don't really care too much about theocracies), freedom from human rights violations, and other liberties which simply do not exist under the American-backed theocracy.

If the United States government really cared about "freedom" and "democracy", it would immediately stop supporting and funding authoritarian dictatorships like Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Haiti, and Uzbekistan. The fact that our leaders don't withdraw support for these countries or even denounce the complete lack of freedom in them is uncontrovertible evidence that the leaders of our country support the idea of authoritarian dictatorship, and I don't see how that can possibly be reconciled with all the bullshit they spout about "freedom", which for them is a nebulous concept that they refuse to define for us.

[F L E S H]

Sorry to hear your sick, take two asprin and post to me in the morning.
Such an elequint speaker. Must be nice to sit up North knowing the big dog has your ass covered. Is this just a jealousy thing? :D
the big dog has our ass covered? Thank god! All those bombs and terrorist threats we've been receiveing really had me worried for a second there.

Besides, all the terrorists either live, or have family here. So we're safe up here. :D

[Psycho4Bud]

the big dog has our ass covered? Thank god! All those bombs and terrorist threats we've been receiveing really had me worried for a second there.

Besides, all the terrorists either live, or have family here. So we're safe up here. :D

Just stay under the watchfull eye of the Eagle and you'll be safe and sound! :D

[Psycho4Bud]

Back on topic...

The United States government does not really care about the level of "freedom" or "democracy" in Afghanistan and its other satellite states. If it did, it would demand the existence of such basic freedoms as freedom of assembly (as I mentioned before, non-violent political groups are STILL banned), freedom of religion (not possible under the theocracy known as the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan...but I guess fundamentalists like Bush don't really care too much about theocracies), freedom from human rights violations, and other liberties which simply do not exist under the American-backed theocracy.

If the United States government really cared about "freedom" and "democracy", it would immediately stop supporting and funding authoritarian dictatorships like Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Haiti, and Uzbekistan. The fact that our leaders don't withdraw support for these countries or even denounce the complete lack of freedom in them is uncontrovertible evidence that the leaders of our country support the idea of authoritarian dictatorship, and I don't see how that can possibly be reconciled with all the bullshit they spout about "freedom", which for them is a nebulous concept that they refuse to define for us.

Found a nice little site that has the Afghanistan constitution. You may want to read this:


http://www.oefre.unibe.ch/law/icl/af00000_.html
Article 22 [Equality]
(1) Any kind of discrimination and privilege between the citizens of Afghanistan are prohibited.
(2) The citizens of Afghanistan -- whether man or woman -- have equal rights and duties before the law.

Article 33 [Electoral Rights]
(1) The citizens of Afghanistan have the right to elect and be elected.
(2) Law regulates the conditions and means to exercise this right.

Article 34 [Expression, Press, Media]
(1) Freedom of expression is inviolable.
(2) Every Afghan has the right to express his thought through speech, writing, or illustration or other means, by observing the provisions stated in this Constitution.
(3) Every Afghan has the right to print or publish topics without prior submission to the state authorities in accordance with the law.
(4) Directives related to printing house, radio, television, press, and other mass media, will be regulated by the law.

Article 36 [Demonstration]
The citizens of Afghanistan have the right to un-armed demonstrations, for legitimate peaceful purposes.

[Torog]

Howdy Psycho4Bud,

Yeeehhhaaww !!! Git em ! The terrorist appeasers and apologists,don't want there to be any successful new democracies,it messes up their "hate Bush all the time and blame him for everything",agenda..they would rather see folks suffering terribly at the hands of terrorists and brutal dictators-than ever have to admit that any of Bush's policies are good .

Have a good one !

[amsterdam]

yup,yup,yup!!!

a great day for the great people of afghanistan!!an elected parliament!!wow.amazing.

let those who will complain about anything complain,,,,they can see the writing on the fast approaching door..

[andruejaysin]

Funny, I thought we went to Afganistan to capture or kill this guy, I can't remember his name, you know who I mean, ugly motherfucker with a beard, looks like an old hippy.

[bhallg2k]

What does "they can see the writing on the fast approaching door" mean?

[F L E S H]

You guys realize that a constitution means nothing right? Were you aware that even Stalin drafted a constitution, and everybody was happy that things would turn out ok?

Well, in case I need to remind you, that constitution didn't do anything at all, cause Stalin simply chose to ignore it. Having a constitution and an election doesn't mean anything.

[Psycho4Bud]

Having a constitution and an election doesn't mean anything.

Oh my! Is it really that tough to give the people of Afghanistan a little praise? Or is it that the United States was behind it? :rolleyes:

[weadboy420]

Funny, I thought we went to Afganistan to capture or kill this guy, I can't remember his name, you know who I mean, ugly motherfucker with a beard, looks like an old hippy.
Dude i know who you meen I saw him on tv. He had a macheen gun, write?

[Psycho4Bud]

Dude i know who you meen I saw him on tv. He had a macheen gun, write?

Thats right, I think they call him Captain Caveman now! :D

[nicholasstanko]

Dude i know who you meen I saw him on tv. He had a macheen gun, write?


macheen...

[amsterdam]

Oh my! Is it really that tough to give the people of Afghanistan a little praise? Or is it that the United States was behind it? :rolleyes:


got that right!!

[F L E S H]

Oh my! Is it really that tough to give the people of Afghanistan a little praise? Or is it that the United States was behind it? :rolleyes:
No, you're way too self-absorbed and self-righteous to praise anybody else but yourselves.

Keep on congratulating yourselves, boys, and give yourselves handjobs while you're at it.

[amsterdam]

at least you know the incredible progress being made over there.

i dont give a shit which side of the aisle your on,good things are happening.

[F L E S H]

at least you know the incredible progress being made over there.

i dont give a shit which side of the aisle your on,good things are happening.
You're obsessed with congratulating yourself, aren't you? What's wrong, no one gave you enough positive attention when you were a kid?

[Psycho4Bud]

No, you're way too self-absorbed and self-righteous to praise anybody else but yourselves.

Keep on congratulating yourselves, boys, and give yourselves handjobs while you're at it.

Well Howdy Flesh,

Oh I think your taking this a little to hard aren't ya? Congradulations to the fine people of Afghanistan isn't patting myself on the back, but I'll pat theirs.
As for the handjob bit, Amsterdam really isn't my type.
You have a very, very, pleasent day!!! :D

[nicholasstanko]

psycho's so proud of the fake government...

[Psycho4Bud]

psycho's so proud of the fake government...


If you call an elected government fake, well, your choice. Keep on following lil' lamb! :D

[andruejaysin]

Funny how I heard none of this concern for the welfare of the Afghan people back when the US was funding a war that killed 3 million of them, left the taliban in power, and created al quaida. Oops, sorry, my bad, if we talk about that it could cost Reagan his spot on Mt. Rushmore.

[Fengzi]

Ok people. Iâ??ve been reading through this thread and canâ??t believe how polarized everyone has become on this. Letâ??s have a bit of a reality check here:

-First of all, and most importantly, the fact that the people of Afghanistan are now enjoying more freedom, such as the freedom to vote, is a good thing

-The Taliban was a brutal and oppressive regime of fanatical Muslims. They weâ??re so overboard that even other predominantly Muslim countries tended to disassociate themselves with Afghanistan. The fact that they are no longer the leaders of Afghanistan is a good thing

-The Taliban did support and shelter Bin Laden and Al Queada. The fact that they can no longer do this is a good thing

-Bush did give the Taliban a choice. We were going after Bin Laden whether they liked it or not. If they opposed us we would go after them to. They chose incorrectly.

That being saidâ?¦

-To act as if this is some kind of victory for Bush and his right wing cronies is absolutely ridiculous. This may be a victory for the people of Afghanistan but is simply a by-product of the fact that we went after Al Queada. GW didnâ??t give a ratâ??s ass about the people of Afghanistan.

-Bush did give the Taliban a choice. We were going after Bin Laden whether they liked it or not. If they said â??ok, come get the guysâ?� the Taliban would still be in power and the people of Afghanistan would still be oppressed by them. GW didnâ??t give a ratâ??s ass about the people of Afghanistan.

-Although a great improvement over the Taliban the new government is still just a puppet of the U.S.. Bush and his right wing cronies should be taken out and slapped like the little bitches they are for using the people of Afghanistan as their â??look what we did, isnâ??t it wonderfulâ?� propaganda. GW still doesn't give a rat's ass about the people of Afghanistan.

â??Nuff said. I canâ??t wait to see the responses for this. :o

[Psycho4Bud]

Well I'll tell ya; you were doing absolutely fantastic until your last paragraph! :D Ya gotta take a big hit for that post!!! :D

[Fengzi]

Well I'll tell ya; you were doing absolutely fantastic until your last paragraph! :D Ya gotta take a big hit for that post!!! :D
Ahhh, you got a point there. At least about the language,not the substance. It just really pisses me off that GW and friends want to give themselves a big pat on the back for something that they really never intended on in the first place. What can I say? I let my emotions get the best of me. :(

[andruejaysin]

Ahhh, you got a point there. At least about the language,not the substance. It just really pisses me off that GW and friends want to give themselves a big pat on the back for something that they really never intended on in the first place. What can I say? I let my emotions get the best of me. :(
Me, I let my facts get the best of me.

[nicholasstanko]

If you call an elected government fake, well, your choice. Keep on following lil' lamb! :D


wait until they consider making a decision that doesnt have full u.s. approval. then explain to me what sovereignty really means in this day and age.


let me know in advance so i can bum some dirty laundry in your spin cycle.

[ermitonto]

If you call an elected government fake, well, your choice. Keep on following lil' lamb! :D
But of course, when the United States government decides an elected government is illegitimate, it's perfectly okay for it to stage a military coup. :rolleyes:
http://www.neravt.com/left/allende.htm

Remember, freedom means a lot more than checking a name on a piece of paper every few years. Also remember that the United States government only supports "democracy" when it is in the interests of the United States government.

[Psycho4Bud]

But of course, when the United States government decides an elected government is illegitimate, it's perfectly okay for it to stage a military coup. :rolleyes:
http://www.neravt.com/left/allende.htm

Remember, freedom means a lot more than checking a name on a piece of paper every few years. Also remember that the United States government only supports "democracy" when it is in the interests of the United States government.

You mean like when Saddam was getting 99% of the vote in a country where 80% of the people hated him? The U.S. and others may find that a little hard to believe.

[nicholasstanko]

You mean like when Saddam was getting 99% of the vote in a country where 80% of the people hated him? The U.S. and others may find that a little hard to believe.


lol...you mean like the u.s. when bush had less approval than his first term...but magically won by a slight margin...i find that one hard to believe as well.

[Psycho4Bud]

lol...you mean like the u.s. when bush had less approval than his first term...but magically won by a slight margin...i find that one hard to believe as well.

The Dems had Kerry, what other choice did the U.S. citizens have? :rolleyes: