I LIED

[Bloogleshleimens]

DID I SAY I WAS LEAVING? NOT UNTIL YAH GIVE ME BACK ALL MY STUFF.

[Libertarian Toker]

I'd give ya back the Beatles LP's man, but I can't find em anywhere. Really man, I looked all over and not a sign of them. I don't know what else to tell ya. Sorry!..

Toker

[Bloogleshleimens]

I'd give ya back the Beatles LP's man, but I can't find em anywhere. Really man, I looked all over and not a sign of them. I don't know what else to tell ya. Sorry!..

Toker

Far-out dude. Your alright with me.

[Libertarian Toker]

Someone must have ripped me off. I was just listening to the white album last week and now they are all gone. I did end up finding the cover to Abby Road out in the yard, but somehow it got torn a little. I don't know what happened to them. Last week is a little foggy at this point. Maybe it will come back to me later.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

It's starting to come back now. It was that chick from the bar man. I didn't tell you about it yet because I just now remembered it myself. I brought her home with me that night, and I bet she snatched em when she split in the middle of the night. Or the next morning, all I know is she was gone before I woke up, and so were the LP's. At least I think they were gone then! I do seem to recall something about a shotgun and clay pigons also. Maybe a good bowl will help me remember more.

Toker

[Jesus Smoked Pot]

dude u gave me that blow up doll far and square !!!!

[Nugs4Me]

Why did you ban that guy? He was better then all those kids hitting on the women on every post...

[Lola]

WHY WOULD U WANT A CHILD MOLESTER ON THESE BOARDS...?


OOOPS DAMN CAPS!

[Nugs4Me]

WHY WOULD U WANT A CHILD MOLESTER ON THESE BOARDS...?


OOOPS DAMN CAPS!

Really?

Errr when did he say that? I don't read every post :p

[Lola]

He said it in chat, He is a very sick man....And i will say it again
I have met so many tools in my life this dude took the tool box:p

[NowhereMan]

i gave him his stuff back
and showed him the door
in about six months
may do it some more
peace

[maryjanemama]

I'm not trying to be funny here, I'm serious, I read in one of his posts that he is a paranoid scitzophrentic (spelled completely wrong). He was obviously not taking his meds. I also read in a post that he admitted to molesting his neices. Lola is right! Then, a few posts later, he denied it. So, I'm not sure what was truth and what wasn't, but it is best that he is gone.

[HvyFuel]

I'm just amazed he lasted that long.

peace :)

[Libertarian Toker]

What a lovely action it is to have the people you don't like banned. How very authoritarian of you guys. Gee, that guy is different so it's best to ban him. Can't have no strange people hanging around saying strange things now can we? And if their crazy, that's a really good reason to silence them. We can't be having crazy people out in the view of the public saying crazy stuff, it just ain't right. Crazy people are crazy, and it's crazy to let them have a voice. Ban those crazy people, ban them all. This board is for sain people only.

Personaly, I like crazy people. They are more interesting then the sain ones. To me people that are willing to punish others because they feel they are different from themselves, are the real crazy ones. There are better ways to deal with problem people then banning them. Humility is a strong deterent to stupidity. Banning people is a sign of weakness to me. It means your to weak to deal with it any other way.

Toker

[gs8778]

I would tend to agree with you, but I don't want to be banned lol :D

[HvyFuel]

So if someone was chopping your kids up with an axe whilst singing Waltzing Matilida and wearing a pink tutu, you would...

a. Think them a valuable member of your community.

b. Want them locked in a secure mental unit for the rest of their natural.

erm, let me see now?

:rolleyes:

[neilmcca]

Bloogleshleimens apparently made references to molesting children etc,
regardless of wether or not he's admiting to being involved in that kind of thing or not, nobody wants to hear that shit,
we come to this forum to exchange thoughts and to generally share experiences in life and to hopefully help each other out with good advice and support,
what we don't wanna hear is some "old coot" talking about taking showers with his nieces and then quoting verse after verse of the bible at us ?
i don't know whats gone on in that guy's life, i hope he gets his shit together,
but he is way toooo "cuckoo" for my liking.

[Ammie]

ok im confussed is he banned or not z??

[Jesus Smoked Pot]

what ever happened to FREE SPEECH no matter how crazy the speech is

but what the fuck do i know

[Ammie]

freedom of speech is one thing, bein an ass is another. he has no right to say sum of the shit he does.

[neilmcca]

what ever happened to FREE SPEECH no matter how crazy the speech is

but what the fuck do i know


Exactly how "free" do u want your "free speech" ?
Child molestors being able to talk about what they do to kiddies ?
maybe racists being able to say what the hell they want on our forums would be a good idea too ? and we could always give them their own section of the forums while we're at it, :confused:

i'm in favour of free speech, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere.

[HvyFuel]

That has never existed in democratic society. As example only, if I were to say baby skin is the best thing to bind books with and you should all go skin babies. (very extreme, I'm sorry) I would be deemed by society as mentally unstable and hospitalised.

Abusing the right to free speech is a far worse crime than denying it.

peace :)

[HvyFuel]

neil, u type faster I do :D

[Libertarian Toker]

"So if someone was chopping your kids up with an axe whilst singing Waltzing Matilida and wearing a pink tutu, you would..."

C. Kill them on the spot.

Actions are different then words. His words have hurt nothing but a few pridefull feelings.

"we come to this forum to exchange thoughts and to generally share experiences in life and to hopefully help each other out with good advice and support"

Unless their crazy old coots, then the fuzzy feel good BS turns into a cry to have them banned. I have my own reasons for coming to this board. The "we" part of that is interesting in that it would seem you think you speak for all. You don't speak for me, so try not to say why I come here. If you ban everyone you think is screwed in the head, who will you help with your good advise and support?

"what we don't wanna hear is some "old coot" talking about taking showers with his nieces and then quoting verse after verse of the bible at us ?"

What right do you have to decide what it is "we" wanna hear? Personaly I don't wanna hear others speak for me. To me that is worse then some idiot talking about sick crap.

"but he is way toooo "cuckoo" for my liking."

Socialist are way to cuckoo for my liking. Can they be banned too if they come around spouting their commi BS? Why no, as much as I don't like them I would still think that was a bad idea. Wanting to punish someone because you don't like them can lead to all manner of BS. Acting like you care so much and are concered with the well being of others here, and then liking to see one of the people that needs that the most banned, is a little confusing to me. Can you explain this method of support you have going a little better, and how banning someone is helping them?

"what ever happened to FREE SPEECH no matter how crazy the speech is"

People are being conditioned to think it's ok to silence speech from people they don't like. It's becoming an accepted practice now-a-days. To bad! One day it will come around to bite US in the ass. Some times you don't know what you got until it's gone.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

"i'm in favour of free speech, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere."

So where do you draw that line, and who does the drawing?

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

"Exactly how "free" do u want your "free speech" ?"

As free as possible. Restricted Freedom doesn't seem much like Freedom to me.

"maybe racists being able to say what the hell they want on our forums would be a good idea too ?"

Yours???? Really? A racist spouting BS doesn't scare me, as my voice would be much louder then his. Personaly I would rather know who thinks that way, and try to get them to see the error in their ways. Your just sweeping it under the carpet by chasing it into hiding. It may just be racist's now, but what about later when it's something else offencive to someone else? What about if someone decided talking about drugs was equal to talking about hate, and banned it? Old Ben said it pretty good, those that are willing to give up Freedom for a little temporary safety, don't deserve either one.

Toker

[Lulu]

I think, and I'm tempted to say We,
but instead I'll say,
I know what side of the line child abuse should be on,
surely that's not even up for discussion :confused:

Please feel free to berate me for my intolerance.......

[Dr Timothy Leary]

Wel in the words of Hunter S. Thompson, im sure Bloogle is 'Just another ugly refugee from the love generation' ;)


peace m8

[WeeeeeBong]

I don't know who owns and maintains this site.The site is indeed public as it is on the internet but that doesn't mean it is not run and maintained privately.
This is their house so to speak.If you come into my house and I tell you I don't want you cussing or discussing issues that may discust others then you'd do well not to or you'd find the door real fast.
I don't think this is a forum for pedophiles to come and discuss what they do and it appears to me they aren't welcome here.
Moron's have a right to free speech too but it doesn't mean anyone has to give them a platform.



"maybe racists being able to say what the hell they want on our forums would be a good idea too ?"

Do a few searches and you'll find plenty of racists sites.It looks to me as if they are having no problems in exercising their right to free speech.If they were to come to my house however and spouted their igornance,they'd be shown the door.
One has a right to talk as an individual and another has the right to not listen,especially in their own house.

[Libertarian Toker]

You have just broken your own law by talking about it. Do you think ignoring problems will make them go away? Child abuse seems to mean a lot of things now-a-days. From what I can tell this is all based on something that was retracted later at a chat room. What exactly was said, and what part of it did you think is worthy of being banned? Since we are talking about child abuse, should we now be banned also?

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

I ain't bitchin about the owners, I'd be the first to agree with what you said. It's the others here that expose their lust for regulation that I find ugly. Do you know what was said? Can anyone tell me what exactly was said?

Toker

[WeeeeeBong]

Your debate is geared more at trolling.Last I looked the name of the site is Cannabis.Com. No one is saying you can't talk about pedophiles or racism or anything else your heart desires but as someone has already decided,most people here dont want to hear about creepy old men taking showers with their nieces.My point is,it's their house not yours.
If you feel the need to talk about pedophiles i'm sure there are places you can go besides Cannabis.Com.
Insinuating that we are breaking the rules by having this chat now in this way is missing the point and ludicrous.
If people don't like one talking shit in their house then they have the right to throw them out too whether you agree or not.

[Libertarian Toker]

Sheltering yourselves from reality with regulation and rules won't make what you find disgusting go away. You can lock yourself up in a protective box, but the disgusting things your hiding from will still be there when you emerge from your box. You should not fear what you don't understand, you should try and learn from it. It's no wonder this world can't solve it's problems, everyone wants to hide from them and act like they are not there.

Toker

[maryjanemama]

You know you're a stoner when you yammer on and on about a guy that's been banned...oh, wait, wrong thread.

Libertarian Toker, I know you're trying to make a point but what I've learned from theses boards is democracy rules. So, you can type until your fingers hurt but Boogle isn't allowed back for 6 monthes and I doubt you'll change anyone's mind. Don't yell at me, it's just my opinion, I can only speak for myself!:)

[WeeeeeBong]

I'll be honest with you and say I didn't hear it directly,no I didn't.I wasn't really trying to make any points about what the guy said but more as to whether bannings are a good thing or a bad thing.I've been banned from a few sites myself I can understand your point to a degree.
In my time here so far tho....thats not been all that long I know...I haven't personally seen any unfair bannings.But,even if I had its not my site anyways and tho I may say hey that was wrong,that is the best I could do besides just leaving.

[WeeeeeBong]

You know you're a stoner when you yammer on and on about a guy that's been banned...oh, wait, wrong thread.


for a moment there I thought I had posted in the wrong thread hahah

[HvyFuel]

" C. Kill them on the spot. "......
"I don't recall anywhere in the Bible,where God or Jesus ,said that pacifism should be pursued until the destruction of Man,is complete. Nor does God or Jesus,command us to slay ourselves,in order to avoid sin..pacifism,is suicidal,if blindly pursued."

Do excuse me... NWM, please don't ban lunatics anymore, could you shoot them on the spot please, thanks.

"Unless their crazy old coots, then the fuzzy feel good BS turns into a cry to have them banned. I have my own reasons for coming to this board. The "we" part of that is interesting in that it would seem you think you speak for all. You don't speak for me, so try not to say why I come here. If you ban everyone you think is screwed in the head, who will you help with your good advise and support?"......
"What right do you have to decide what it is "we" wanna hear? Personaly I don't wanna hear others speak for me. To me that is worse then some idiot talking about sick crap."

Ah, the old 'what's normal' argument. In this I would ask that one point be considered. You're talking to law breaking, free thinking people, who, in the most part, are rather opposed to 'normal' acceptance of restrictions to "free speech". Although I agree with the right to post pages of incoherent babble, and many would say I enjoy that right, I would not choose to join a site that promoted such. The chosen moderators of this site do not speak for any one person, they speak for the reflected majority of members comments. I believe that's called Democracy.

"Socialist are way to cuckoo for my liking. Can they be banned too if they come around spouting their commi BS? Why no, as much as I don't like them I would still think that was a bad idea. Wanting to punish someone because you don't like them can lead to all manner of BS. Acting like you care so much and are concered with the well being of others here, and then liking to see one of the people that needs that the most banned, is a little confusing to me. Can you explain this method of support you have going a little better, and how banning someone is helping them?"

Strange argument for a "Libertarian", and strangely familiar. Sounds more like the argument a conservative christian might use. To my knowledge this site has not been promoted as giving psychiatric guidance in any medical publications. You are correct to assert that this person needs help but this is not the place for him to receive that help. Nobody here is qualified to give psychiatric help, that I know of, and if any were they were obviously unavailable to assist him. To the result that this forum was not able to help this person.

"People are being conditioned to think it's ok to silence speech from people they don't like. It's becoming an accepted practice now-a-days. To bad! One day it will come around to bite US in the ass. Some times you don't know what you got until it's gone."

Absolutely and utterly agree with you 100% Pity it has no relevance to this debate.

" So where do you draw that line, and who does the drawing?"

Moderators draw the line here. Usually with the full support of the majority of users. Sorry, it's that Democracy thing again.

" As free as possible. Restricted Freedom doesn't seem much like Freedom to me."

I think you're the type of person who likes to call a spade a spade. And in the most part you are free to do so. But if you insist on calling a spade a tulip and threaten people who don't agree with you, you are freely choosing to be committed or incarcerated. Therefore freely choosing to restrict your own freedom.

"A racist spouting BS doesn't scare me, as my voice would be much louder then his. Personaly I would rather know who thinks that way, and try to get them to see the error in their ways. Your just sweeping it under the carpet by chasing it into hiding. It may just be racist's now, but what about later when it's something else offencive to someone else? What about if someone decided talking about drugs was equal to talking about hate, and banned it? Old Ben said it pretty good, those that are willing to give up Freedom for a little temporary safety, don't deserve either one."

You are attempting to give bloogle's statements validity by comparing them to a hated stereotype? Where you've managed to find a comparison is hard to understand. His posts were, being polite, absolute drivel. He was not putting forward an argument of any kind, thereby not defending a chosen stance other than being an arse.

And if I may say, I believe in defending these actions you are displaying the same qualities.

"Sheltering yourselves from reality with regulation and rules won't make what you find disgusting go away."

They will make them go away from here.

"You can lock yourself up in a protective box, but the disgusting things your hiding from will still be there when you emerge from your box."

Yes, but we can talk freely about the issues we came here to discuss without it being in our box.

"You should not fear what you don't understand, you should try and learn from it."

bloogle didn't understand his own statements and admitted such on many occasions. There was nothing to be learnt.

"It's no wonder this world can't solve it's problems, everyone wants to hide from them and act like they are not there."

Yes, you do don't you. You'd rather troll.

peace :)

[Lola]

You know you're a stoner when you yammer on and on about a guy that's been banned...oh, wait, wrong thread.


maryjane hahahhahha:p





look he is banned end of story there is no point in arguing over what he has said it was just wrong for him be talking the shit he did, and ofcourse people are gonna voice there opinion on this man...He was very weird and down right a dirty old man! he should of kept his sick problems to himself, I was tiered of his damn apologies if u ask me cus he just kept on bullshitting so that he would have something to be sorry about the next day! Lets just move on!

[Libertarian Toker]

"If you feel the need to talk about pedophiles"

It's not about pedophiles, it's about Freedom. When it become acceptable to the public to ban speech that is found to be offencive, then that drifts into politics and soon after translates into laws. While it may be the right of the owners to say who gets to talk here, the trend of limiting speech with regulation streches a little farther then just a private web site on the net when it's the guest's, or the public, crying for the limiting of speech at a place designed for speaking ones mind. It would seem that not only do you think his speech is wrong, you are starting to sound like maybe you think mine is too. If you invite people into your house to speak, then you can bet people will want to do it. Me, I would be interested in what everyone had to say. I even think the people that want to limit speech have a right to say that. Get this, I would even fight for their right to say it if someone was saying they couldn't talk about it.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

"Your debate is geared more at trolling."

Is this how you try to discredit? Look man, all I am saying is Freedom of speech is very importent. If you don't agree, well that's up to you.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

"look he is banned end of story"

Point well taken. I guess that makes this the end of that.

Toker

[the green reefer.]

you have done freedom of speech whats next? right to free acsess (i know its wrong i tryed three times) to health care or the effects of violence on tv.

[HvyFuel]

reefer - I believe in absolute freedom of political and religious opinion and promotion if that was aimed at me. I also believe in the freedom to switch over, throw away junk mail, and ban drivelling lunatics from forums.

peace :)

[WeeeeeBong]

Is this how you try to discredit? Look man, all I am saying is Freedom of speech is very importent. If you don't agree, well that's up to you.


When the feds slipped in legislation to punish transit companies for accepting adverts from pro-cannabis activists I let my voice be heard.
When the appellate court upheld the 1st amendment and found the feds law un-constitutional I lit a big bowl in celebration for free speech had won another battle.

And yet...I can understand why one cannot yell "FIRE!" in a theatre unless there really is one.I can understand a website dedicated to cannabis not wanting or enduring offensive talk of incest or whatnot.It's just not the same thing.

[Libertarian Toker]

"Do excuse me... NWM, please don't ban lunatics anymore, could you shoot them on the spot please, thanks."

Your comparing apples and oranges and saying they are the same because they are both fruit. If someone was hacking my kids with an axe, you can bet your ass I would do my best to end their life. If they were just talking about screwing kids in a shower, I would not be so eager to kill them, as they may just be talking out of their ass. Do you get the difference between action, and speech yet? If I say the government sucks and we should have a revolution, but take no action in that direction, would you think it was the same as if I had taken action towards a revolution against the government?

"Ah, the old 'what's normal' argument."

Well, no on has given a good answer yet. If I ever get one, I'll let ya in on it.

"they speak for the reflected majority of members comments."

I believe they were appointed, and I never saw a vote. Only a few people that didn't like the guy and seemed to hold a grudge had any kind of say.

"I believe that's called Democracy."

The way it's been lately I might agree, but appointed, unelected officers and no vote is a dictatorship, not democracy. I believe you may be confused on that.

"Strange argument for a "Libertarian", and strangely familiar. Sounds more like the argument a conservative christian might use."

Why is that so strange to you?

"To my knowledge this site has not been promoted as giving psychiatric guidance in any medical publications."

But someone said we gather here to help and support? I guess they wern't speaking for everyone after all.

"Moderators draw the line here. Usually with the full support of the majority of users. Sorry, it's that Democracy thing again."

Sorry to have to correct you again, but it is not a democracy here. It's called a dictatorship.

"But if you insist on calling a spade a tulip and threaten people who don't agree with you"

I don't recall ever threatening anyone, did that dude threaten someone?

"He was not putting forward an argument of any kind, thereby not defending a chosen stance other than being an arse."

I can relate a little, I'm kind of an ass myself.

"And if I may say, I believe in defending these actions you are displaying the same qualities."

Let me get this straight. By defending Freedom of speech I am the same quality of person as a child molester in your mind? Interesting concept. Would you have me banned for it?

"They will make them go away from here."

Do you feel safe in that box?

"Yes, but we can talk freely about the issues we came here to discuss without it being in our box."

Out of site out of mind kind of thing, right? That's my point anyway.

"bloogle didn't understand his own statements and admitted such on many occasions. There was nothing to be learnt."

There is always something to learn. You found out that there was nothing to learn. That's learning something. If you can't learn from your expirences, well, that's your problem.

"Yes, you do don't you. You'd rather troll."

Another attempt at a label. I like em, they mean more then words to me. Labels like troll are a sign of insecurity in ones own words. You know, kind of like they think they need a little help with their message, so they try a label or two to spice things up a little and build confidence in their words.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

"And yet...I can understand why one cannot yell "FIRE!" "

Yelling fire can cause harm, saying you showered with a young girl doesn't. As sick as it is, I doubt anyone was running madly for the door in a panic when he said it.

Maybe your right, and I am exagerating the cost to Freedom. Maybe I'm not..........

Toker

[HvyFuel]

"Your comparing apples and oranges and saying they are the same because they are both fruit."

No, I'm taking your argument to it's natural extreme. A method of debate I'm certain you're familiar with.

"I believe they [moderators] were appointed, and I never saw a vote."

So if you were, for example, opening a store you would have a vote on who worked for you? I rather think you'd employ people you judged to be suitable.

"Only a few people that didn't like the guy and seemed to hold a grudge had any kind of say."

Only a few members were in the chat channel, ergo.

" Well, no on has given a good answer yet. If I ever get one, I'll let ya in on it."

No one ever will give an answer you're happy with. You'd have nothing left to argue about.

"The way it's been lately I might agree, but appointed, unelected officers and no vote is a dictatorship, not democracy. I believe you may be confused on that."

Either that or you may need to check a dictionary. Authority.. 'representative of the wishes of the majority' is democracy last time I checked.

" But someone said we gather here to help and support? I guess they wern't speaking for everyone after all."

I'd guess on a cannabis forum they may have meant help with issues concerning cannabis. Just a wild guess.

" Sorry to have to correct you again, but it is not a democracy here. It's called a dictatorship."

Anyone seen Ron recently? Oh where can that dictator be? He needs to be controlling every thread to be doing his dictatorial job properly. Maybe he just leaves it to the members to say what they want, and the moderators to respond. Is it sinking in yet?

"Let me get this straight. By defending Freedom of speech I am the same quality of person as a child molester in your mind? Interesting concept. Would you have me banned for it?"

No my friend. I meant you were being an arse.

"There is always something to learn. You found out that there was nothing to learn. That's learning something. If you can't learn from your expirences, well, that's your problem."

What? I think you lost your own point on that one. Proving you have no evidence does not prove you have a case, it merely proves you have no evidence!

"Labels like troll are a sign of insecurity in ones own words. You know, kind of like they think they need a little help with their message, so they try a label or two to spice things up a little and build confidence in their words."

Well, rehearsed answer, bravo. I tend to find people are given the label trolls by those who recognize trolls. But please keep it up. Just think of me as Billy goat Gruff.

peace :)

[WeeeeeBong]

Well, at least you agree that freedom of speech is not absolute.I personally believe that people here at Cannabis.com are all for free speech.It also appears that they exercise their rights to be deaf in their own house.

If this site had tolerated the crap that guy was spouting it would have driven away many who visit this board that might actually have something to share.
I think there is a lot of harm in giving a platform to a pedophile.

[Ammie]

lmao maryjane i fuckin love ya hahaha when ya comin to pick me up :P

[HvyFuel]

"If this site had tolerated the crap that guy was spouting it would have driven away many who visit this board that might actually have something to share. "

Amen

[HvyFuel]

Wrong thread again Ammie?

;)

[Libertarian Toker]

"No, I'm taking your argument to it's natural extreme. A method of debate I'm certain you're familiar with."

No, your saying one equals the other even though they are not the same. Your saying speech is the same as action. Would you like to take that to it's natural extreme?

"So if you were, for example, opening a store you would have a vote on who worked for you? I rather think you'd employ people you judged to be suitable."

I don't think your getting the concept of democracy and dictatorship. Because a dictatorship is run in a open and decent manner makes it no less a dictatorship. You say this is democracy??? LOL! You may find that your little store is also a dictatorship if you take the time to think about it, just as this board is. It's Rons house, he's a good dick, but a dictator just the same. That is why he has the ultimate end game for this site, or marihemp anyway. In any case your dead wrong about this board being even close to a democracy. Ron will listen, but in the end it is his choice.

"Either that or you may need to check a dictionary. Authority.. 'representative of the wishes of the majority' is democracy last time I checked."

Yep, mob rules. But you don't have that here do you? You got one suppreme ruler, and his appointed law men. Don't get me wrong, I like Ron, he's proven to be a good guy and a friend of Freedom. But in the end, you don't have mob rules here. If you think you do, try to have me banned with your majority and see what happens.

"I'd guess on a cannabis forum they may have meant help with issues concerning cannabis. Just a wild guess."

Could be that a board that says "Friendly talk about nothing in particular", is just that.

"Anyone seen Ron recently? Oh where can that dictator be? He needs to be controlling every thread to be doing his dictatorial job properly. Maybe he just leaves it to the members to say what they want, and the moderators to respond. Is it sinking in yet?"

I don't know man, why don't you tell me? Your the one that seems to be confused here.

"No my friend. I meant you were being an arse."

Why thank you! Complement accepted.

"Well, rehearsed answer, bravo. I tend to find people are given the label trolls by those who recognize trolls."

Exactly what is a troll anyway? Can you define that for me? If I am a troll, and me and you are doing the same thing, wouldn't that make you a troll also?

"But please keep it up"

No worries mate, I'll stick around awhile. At least until I decide to go back under my rock again. Then you will just have to deal with me poping in and out every so often.

Toker

[Nugs4Me]

It would also be nice to have Libertarian Toker banned. From what I can tell he likes to listen to pedophiles and child molesters. No one wants that shit here, I don't understand why you would. This is a Cannabis web site, though it is a "general" forum it shouldn't be a "pedophile & child molester freedom of speech" forum.


Quoting people is a lot easier on your eyes if you actually quote them, it isn't hard.

[neilmcca]

i wouldn't like to see him banned,
Libertarian Toker obviousley has his beliefs and we have ours, but i don't understand how he can't see why Bloogleshleimens was banned :confused:

[HvyFuel]

Strange as it may seem I would argue against banning Toker or anyone else who is willing to put forward a rational argument for their beliefs. He can pick apart my points, I can pick apart his, maybe we'll both end up learning something.

peace :)

[Nugs4Me]

But why would anyone want a child molester here if he/she were not one themself...

Believe what you want, it's kind of odd that this guy is defending him with pride.

[HvyFuel]

Toker - Although I am enjoying our debate I'm not sure 'The Lounge' is the place for it.
I believe NWM intends to start a couple of open debate threads tomorrow and I hope you'll be joining in. I am likely to be offline for quite some time today unfortunately.

peace :)

[HvyFuel]

Nugs, making judgements without evidence is never safe practice. The version of events I read was that bloogle showered with his neices when he was five, and his neices are very nearly the same age he is. I was not in chat when this was being discussed so I only have the evidence of the forum to make judgements. I was quite content to see him banned for the endless pages of meaningless drivel he posted. We only ever had his word concerning his age and in the most part he sounded like a very stoned child.

peace :)

[Nugs4Me]

I wouldn't just believe anyone saying this but when a mod and people that have 'respect' on the forums post it, i'm 99.9% it's true.

Some things just shouldn't be told to the public.

[Libertarian Toker]

"It would also be nice to have Libertarian Toker banned. From what I can tell he likes to listen to pedophiles and child molesters."

Yet I will bet that you don't know what the "pedifile" even said. Like your doing with me, I'll bet your just making claims without any real evidence to back up your claim. Your claim against me is false. Does that translate into the acusations against Bloog being true, or greatly exagerated? I am starting to wonder after being acused myself, if maybe the whole thing is not some silly exageration. Since no on can say what exactly was said, I will have to assume that most of it, like with what is now being said about me, is exagerated out of proportion with what really was said. Condeming and exagerating what I said in the way that you are, only serves to tell me that you guys don't really care for the truth to much.

"Libertarian Toker obviousley has his beliefs and we have ours, but i don't understand how he can't see why Bloogleshleimens was banned"

Because I didn't see it could be the exact reason. I understand the reasons given for banning. I am finding it rather disgusting though, that people clammer for the conviction of someone without ever seeing any evidence of what they are condeming him for. It is becoming clear that most who are condeming bloog are doing so out of dislike instead of evidence. I guess I am not so easly convinced as some without the evidence, because I have only read a few of his post's, and none of what I read indicated to me that he was a pedifile bent on abusing children. Now I have been convicted for something not true of the same nature. That doesn't help matters much since I know it is not true.

"No one wants that shit here, I don't understand why you would."

Who say's I want it here? I would preffer not to have it talked about, but not at the expense of Freedom. Looks a little like due process may be a thing of the past also. All that seems to be needed to convince people of guilt here is a few words proclaiming guilt. Seeing how quick people are to condem makes me wonder a little about why no one can produce what was actualy said.

"But why would anyone want a child molester here if he/she were not one themself..."

Can you show me where I said I wanted child molesters here? I find it absolutly amazing that I can stand up for free speech, and because of that be acused of being a child molester. I would stand for a socialist's free speech also, that doesn't make me one. The logic behind that kind of thinking is rather silly, and it is becoming clearer to me what's really going on here with every passing post.

"Believe what you want, it's kind of odd that this guy is defending him with pride."

I defend Freedom, not pedifiles.

"He can pick apart my points, I can pick apart his, maybe we'll both end up learning something."

I like to call it friendly talk about nothing inparticular. I have learned a lot doing it, and I enjoy it also. For some strange reason some people seem to want it banned.

"Toker - Although I am enjoying our debate I'm not sure 'The Lounge' is the place for it. "

Why not? There are boards for everything you can think of related to weed. Why is this one that is for nothing inparticular have to fall under the "has to be about weed" catagory? It doesn't say nothing inparticular about weed, it just says nothing inparticular. The restrictions to speech are not enough, lets add a few more. What ever, if you want to take it somewhere else, like say the politics board at marihemp, I'm all for it. We can talk about how chickens shit, and many other of the wall subjects over there, and no one will tell us not to.

"I am likely to be offline for quite some time today unfortunately."

It's raining and grey here. I'll have to do some honey do's, but I'll be mostly just hanging around getting high and BSing today. I wouldn't mind moving on to a different subject when ya get back. This one seems to be about dead. I'm sure we can find something else to disagree on that's not going to get me called a child molester. I wonder which is worse, calling someone a child molester thats not one, or trying to stand up for Freedom? It's good to know that you don't run with the herd Hvy, I look foward to our next discussion.

"Some things just shouldn't be told to the public."

Was that Bush, or was it Rummy that said that? Say, what are those things the public shouldn't know anyway? Can you tell me what they are?

Toker

[Nugs4Me]

Quoting people is a lot easier on your eyes if you actually quote them, it isn't hard.

You're burning my eyes, please edit that so I can read it.

[Libertarian Toker]

It's easy man, the " at the start, and finish, of any qoute is a sign that it is a qoute. If you wrote that qoute, then you know I am talking to you. Directly under that is my reply. If it's to much for your fragile eyes, don't read it. I have been doing it that way for way to long to want to change my ways because of your sensitive eyes.

Toker

[Nugs4Me]

You take your time to copy and past is it really that hard to click the "quote" button? You seem to like typing so instead of doing " just type [ quote ] quote me! [ /quote ] (spaced of course) Or jsut click the button that looks like writing. It just helps point out the stuff you're trying to point out.

[Libertarian Toker]

Thanks for your concern. I think I'll stick to what it is I do though. I know you really want me to conform and give up my individuality, but it ain't going to happen.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

Tell ya what nugs, just for you I will do it the way you want when I am quoting you. It's all you get though, so don't be greedy.

Toker