HST

[Rezinator]

Question is for Zandor or anyone whoâ??s done pruning. H-man?

Pics show first grow box with plant 30 hours into SCROGinâ??. Still 24/7.

HST?? Yeah. Cause it was like tieing a screaminâ?? toddler into a crip. Heart ached at every tug and pull.

You can see by other pics it looks like I should have plenty of room to try a few clones.
Will have to rework lighting and put in a partition.

Including pic of blower I got for $17. Should work good after one end of intake is taped off. Quiet and efficient. And cheap. and matches 4â?� ductwork. Lucky find.

Question is this...

I got 8 to 10 lowest branches that have to come off, 4 of which have decent preflowers and will be cloned along with 4 others taken randomly. Other four branches are dead or dying anyway. For now I mostly need to know if there is any over the counter or household balm or whatever I should slap onto the wounds after I slice those branches with an Xacto knife.

I had read somebody saying that pruing branches was way stressful so just double checking. Will start a log soon but any question or comments are welcome here too.

tks

rezz

[Rezinator]

Second pic here was a great find.

[Marc Benson]

Looks awesome Rezz!

Hey from what I've read when you prune, if you have to, cut further up the branch/stem so as to leave a few inches of it left coming out of the main stalk. This way it forms a sort of buffer zone. Harder for any 'disease' to get into the main plant that way. If you cut them off flush with the stalk...well you understand.

[HARDDON]

Dude...

I respect the shit outta you for hacking at this. THis is a bold move and one I applaud.

Simply so sweet and you will love the results of your efforts. Really really innovative and courageous i you ask me.

NICE CALL :)

A couple of thoughts....

I think you may have problems before long......those CFLS you have are in a fixed position....along with the others...all on the same horizon.

Your plants will want to be very close to the lights....much closer than you have them now. I would lower them to within an inch or two of the tops. That is the best fan you can buy for the money so you can get them within an inch.

As those shoots grow, they will not all grow at the same rate and a fixed light horizon will make it difficult to raise and lower lights for each individual case or need.

You might wanna take them off the fixed sockets and buy some of the $2.00 free sockets with wires hanging out of them....Tie them from the ceiling with twist tie and that way you can adjust the height of the individual light.

Just a really nice job.....I feel for you. I had a hard time breaking a few leaves on the small plants forcing them in between the wires...I can only imagine doing it to a whole tree.

:) Nice man...just really nice :)

[HARDDON]

As far as your question......

Whatever tool you use, make it quick. Make the cut happen in an instant. Sitting there hacking a real branch with an Exacto Knife may take longer than a split second.

It needs to be fast and clean. And MB is right....leave some branch. No salve is needed for the wound as far as I know.

[Marc Benson]

Can you imagine what would happen to this plant if you had a 400 watt hps over the top of it when that time came? Or are you going to have?

[Rezinator]

MB, H. Thanks so much.

Wire snips it shall be then.

Have a possible reflection burn issue I found late last night. Tried posting it last night but don't think it took.

Back on the issue of these snipped branches - as well as for the "outside the box" (read literally if you are now stoned - :p ) stalk, I'm assuming I'm okay - won't compromise 12/12 - so long as no leaves develop out there.

Just seal it off at point of entry.

Worse would be to wrap stalk with black plastic or even breatable paper 'cause of mold threats - agreed?

[Marc Benson]

And I agree with HD on the lighting. Be better if you had them all so you could position them where ever they needed to be for best growth. If it were my grow this is how I'd have them situated right now. X's represent lights === represents plant.

X X X
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X X X

[Rezinator]

Might as well save bandwidth - plus time's of the essence again on this reflection burn issue.

Please notice Picture #1 of Post #2 in this thread.

Notice at the top of my wood mounting bar the reflection off the back wall.

Please now take a look at the picture below, where just this one single leaf set was left in contact with back wall over first night of this set-up. Fried to a limpy black.

This one side coated white masonite stuff -- damn!! -- thought it was sufficiently "flat" white.

Dunno though. I must admit that without exhaust system in place - I actually leaned the front panel to aim some light back in and down - maybe the angle did it - maybe I'm okay when front panel snugs on at 90 degrees.

$50,000 question then is, if I have to give the whole box a coat of spray on "Flat" White, how long should I wait for her to recover before I put her through another whole trauma like that.

This is the kinda thing I hate about thinking outside the box. No. I do mean literally. :rolleyes:

[Zandor]

Question is this...

I got 8 to 10 lowest branches that have to come off, 4 of which have decent preflowers and will be cloned along with 4 others taken randomly. Other four branches are dead or dying anyway. For now I mostly need to know if there is any over the counter or household balm or whatever I should slap onto the wounds after I slice those branches with an Xacto knife.

I had read somebody saying that pruing branches was way stressful so just double checking. Will start a log soon but any question or comments are welcome here too.

tks

rezz
Root hormone gel or the power will protect the cut area. Paraffin wax does too mixed with a little B1

[Rezinator]

Zandor,

If you happen to recheck here, could you please weigh in on this apparent
burn issue?

Is this coated masonite reflectivity issue going to require me to
temp extract plant (mother) from box and give cabinet some flat white paint?

Orrrrrrrr... am I okay so long as foliage is tied in so's not to touch walls.

Could I should I "flat" paint cab tomorrow (Sunday)? Else should I play safe...

Wait a few more recovery days?

Or could I repaint cabinet asap, along with lopping off lower branches?

Thanks, Z. or anybody...

[Rezinator]

Zandor,

Solution... if it was/is indeed a hotspot/burn/reflectivity problem.

Back panel is only panel attached permantly to carcass.

Will paint other walls with flat white.

For Back Wall I will tape in some sheets of 11x17 bond paper.

...and carry on with taking the clones.

tks in advance to one 'n all

[Marc Benson]

I just can't believe that so much heat was absorbed by that back panel that it fried those leaves like that. And as far as it being so reflective that it burned them I don't believe that either. Fluoros just arren't that hot to make surrounding areas so hot and especially as far away as you have them. I've got leaves laying right on the mylar with 43 watt fluoros right next to it and they don't even begin to burn. And from what HD suggested in a different thread, burning from a reflective surface is not something you have to worry much about from CFL's. HID's yes.

Also I see that almost all the leaf tips are burnt. From what I understand that suggests that you're maxed out and a little over the max ferts the plant can handle. So you might want to back off ferts a little.

[Joel]

I think it could be a burn because I too use to grow under fluoro's. I had a bit of a burn once when I first put in my warm white 4ft tubes into all the ballast's, but that was because I was stupid enough to think it wouldnt get the warm.

peace `Joel

[Marc Benson]

I think it could be a burn because I too use to grow under fluoro's. I had a bit of a burn once when I first put in my warm white 4ft tubes into all the ballast's, but that was because I was stupid enough to think it wouldnt get the warm.

peace `Joel

Of course vegetation will fry if you touch the bulb, but this isn't touching the bulb. It's touching the back of the box. Which means it'd have to almost be getting as hot as the bulb. No way.

[Rezinator]

Also I see that almost all the leaf tips are burnt. From what I understand that suggests that you're maxed out and a little over the max ferts the plant can handle. So you might want to back off ferts a little. - MB


I think it could be a burn because I too use to grow under fluoro's. I had a bit of a burn once when I first put in my warm white 4ft tubes into all the ballast's, but that was because I was stupid enough to think it wouldnt get the warm.

Guys,

Tks for input. Not sure but I think Lumen burn probably does not have to have real "heat" to it. just a convergence at some point with no motion.

Was thinking prolly a combo of really strong reflection from front wall panel laying in on top of direct light from bulb. PLUSSSSS... the fact by leaf leaning on the wall, it was stationary over-night, fan wasn't
able to keep it fluttering enough.

Anyway. Panic is over. Won't have to extract and replace plant in order to paint. All panels except back snap on/off - top just drops into place - As for the back panel I taped up some sheets of white 20lb bond paper.

Also reworked the growth tips to get everything more level and dropped lights a couple inches.

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Next issue if anybody can hang in a sec, ....Fans.

Not much room to work with. Read that with good negative draw from exhaust I won't need these pc fans for cabinet air intake. So want to array the four fans on a bar and hang them as a unit from either end with strings so they can be adjusted with growth.

Question here is. whether they're intense enough. In test position shown, they don't penetrate the canopy all the way.

Posted a 2 meg MOV file if anybody want's to get a brain cramp.
Click Here (http://us.share.geocities.com/theexactchange/images/del_movie/100_1669.mpg)

Pic attached is how canopy looks after some grooming.

I think the pc fans will work if positioned okay but check the movie - you can barely see leaves fluttering - or is thems leafs MB - lol - but maybe I'm better off with way more motion. Like a category 2 or so? Yeah. That's it. I'll get FEMA and the Army Corp to come in and do an assessment. Just can't get find enough details to worry about y'know?

Zandor. Any ready links to a lumen burn essay appreciated.

Joel, thanks. O'course it is we're "stupid", just "not as informed of practiced". In my old age I begin to understand why job ads always say they want experience. But I say hey I can phuck up every bit as good as the next guy. Which almost never works....ROTFL.

So here I go to become SCROGGing magnate extraordinaire.

:cool:

[Rezinator]

Try this correction to the above link to a 2 meg MOV file of leaves under some computer fans. Try this instead - then click link on page. (http://us.share.geocities.com/theexactchange/images/del_movie/movpage.html)

[Rezinator]

Harddon,

Re: Fans. Turned mov file into a mpeg. 3 megs. Really could use serious advice on breeze. Guess same thing would hold true for colas as it does for seedlings. The more they endure, the more of their own weight they will support??

MB,

Meant to say your suggested configuration of three bulbs on each side had been preference til I got stuck with 15" depth of cab. Got the triplette fixtures for like $7 a piece. Thinking on HD's free hanging socket idea.... but then... perhaps Santii will drop off the HPS or HID if this set up never flies.

All in all no space here to clone plus veg and flower clones plus keep mom so keeps dem cards n lettas comin in, peeps.

Back at it...

[Marc Benson]

So what happened to the Stanley fan you scored? Use that instead of the computer fans. My plants are constantly moving. Pretty much a whirl wind in there but they aren't being jostled a lot. But all leaves are moving...some very little but you can see there's air movement. I've got one fan on the shelf the plants are on blowing up and bouncing off the back wall and another hanging top of canopy high blowing out the door (door is open a little). Then I have another fan outside the area blowing the cooler air from floor level into the room.

"Lumen burn"...that's a new phrase. Did some searches and can't even find one reference to "lumen burn". A lumen is defined as "the amount of light a candle will cast on a one square foot area from one foot away". So it isn't lumens you should be worried about with CFL's. And if those are 43 watt CFL's then you're only putting out a little over 15,000 lumens, which is low for the size of the grow area you have and for sure isn't making the surrounding materials so hot they're burning the leaves (leafs).

So what is your fertilizer schedule? To me that might suggest why the tips of the leaves are all burnt.

[HARDDON]

Rez....

That looks definately like hot burn, no question about it.

That board you have can indeed absorb a trmendous amount of heat from CFLs. Enuff to do that to the leaves as well. Thats why I like them actually....They absorb, rather than reflect the heat.

However, if your temps are now in the 90's you're gonna have a hermie on your hands if you dont do something.

Hanging the lights free style will fix the burn issues...

You are using a computer fan(s)? Sorry but that wont work.

They gotta go right now. You need some real fans. Than fan that I have is the same one you have. You need to use something stong like that.

Your plants have developed a nice stem, it is no longer essential that you have a fan blowing ON the plants. You now need to focus on the space between the plant tops and the light bottoms.

That area must be constantly cleared out and the hot air REMOVED and cooler fresh air must be brought IN.

In watching your, movie I do see some nice movement on the front leaves but not much on the rear leaves.....Stronger fans!!!!

One final thought... I notice also with the positioning of the fans..you appear to have created a "DOWN DRAFT" by having the fans higher than the canopy surface you are trying to cool.

It is quite likely the heat is being drawn downwards becasue of the cirulation issues you now have.

You need to drop the level of the fans, and or.....position to they blow the hot air up and away from the canopy. Again, There is really no mandatory reason now for air blowing on the leaves....the wind, environment however must be redirected...UPWARDS.

You are fanning the surface from the side......to the back wall. This is almost useless.

One big strong fan blowing from the end to end style would better suit your layout.

Hope I could help. :)

[Rezinator]

The grow was so screwed up from the start. Was first going to be indoors, then woman said go outdoors, a flippin beaver freaks me out while placing at my site, me thinking what if.... then finally back inside. Meanwhile this one had gone into a 2 gal pot, we did a lot of kayaking and no closet got built.

She got no ferts at all until 14 days ago. So far - since final transplant - went twice with half strength 2-5-2 with B1. She also got Earthworm Castings at transplant to 5 gal. In two days she will get 2-7-7 full strength via Schultz Cactus Plus. And maybe a 1/4 tsp of TakeRoot / same gal of distilled.

I have some Peters 20-20-20 but MB - are you thinking Nitrogen? She got precious little obviously. And does she need any when just about to go into flowering? Just always think of Nitrogen with vegging.

pH adjustment on first nuted distilled water I aimed high at 7. Previous water was not tested nor adjusted. Will bring next pH in at 6.7 or so.

I'd just tell noobier noobs than me to plan plan plan. This is a hell of a ride once the seeds go into the paper towels.

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I don't recall where I saw "lumen burn". Oh wait. I know. Maybe. It's like when Zandor talks about tinfoil and gloss and ---> hot spots. Have to ask him if those are literally hot - like the sun through a magnifying glass - or whether it is a kind of light intensity concept.

Anyway, all I can tell ya is she was never without a fan and tips have been brwon like that on just about every leaf since she was 20 inches or so tall. And the dumbass editor who did the Cervantes book never got the legend keyed correctly for the illustrations. Best inference is to Potassium but it's Nitrogen she never got.

Let me know if she should get some low level of Nitrogen before 12/12 begins.

Gotta go do some Cloning readin. tks

[Rezinator]

Harddon,

Thank you again for reigning in my indecisiveness.

The plan has been to use Stanley (damn the thing looked so sweet when I saw it on the shelf) to pull heat up through ceiling at center. At the Depot of Homes I got a 10' length of that 4" flex duct. Stan will get one intake (side) taped off, and the 4" duct, once duct is taped to Stan will pull from hole in cabinet ceiling at center. ((((( or possibly from the left hand end of cabinet - but from the ceiling - not the side as I would like to keep the side panel free to come off. - that flexpipe ain't like the hoses.

So far I'm tossing around two options for cool air inlets.
1. Just one 2" hole (light trap) where the stem goes through a lower right panel cutout. In which case could exhaust at upper left corner.
2. 5 or 6 - 3/4" holes - with light trap naturally along the bottom of the front panel.

Stanley will simply pull the whole mess into, we hope, some effectiveness.

Short of buying another Stan, I do have an eight inch fan that might fit. It's newer and better. Obviously vegging or flowering any clones will have to go elsewhere if Mother grows laterally much more - Ha!! Sound familiar?? 'Course I can always pull the pail out but how bush league would that be. Lol.

[Marc Benson]

"That looks definately like hot burn, no question about it."

Yeah but you're a stoner. What could you possibly know? ;)

If we were all close I'd bet you both dinner that it wasn't the leaves being burnt because of that masonite 'absorbing' enough heat to do that, but alas we aren't. Best thing I guess it to either change it, or keep the 'leafs' away from it. Then it's what I call, a non issue.

As for the ferts and leaf tips burning? In the world famous overgrow.com's Fertilizing & feeding : Nutrient deficiencies it says this:

"Tips of leaves are yellow, brown, or dead. Plant otherwise looks healthy & green. Stems may be soft >> Over-fertilization (especially N), over-watering, damaged roots, or insufficient soil aeration (use more sand or perlite. Occasionally due to not enough N, P, or K"

So you can sort of go from there and try to figure out what caused it. If you say it hasn't had much N then that's taken out of the equation.

[HARDDON]

Nah man thats burn. No doubt about it.

remember, those leaves can be very very very young and burn even when they are little leaflets shooting from a grow tip. If burned when little, they will grow up burned as well.

I have one plant that is covered from that....but the head was blowing against the lamp and here we are, weeks later, looks burned . I'd post a pic, but muther fucker i am way too stoned to fuck with them anymore.

As for the more general tip burns, or whatever, that is a different story. I usually find that to be a over water problem, or pH problem or root tip hitting something it doesnt like problem.

But way too common and it doesnt hurt the plant it seems....

I bet you all I am higher than you :)

[Marc Benson]

"I bet you all I am higher than you"

I'm 1230 feet above see level. If you live where I think you do I might win that bet.

[Rezinator]

The burns peculiar, maybe even interesting, no repeats since paper was hung on the wall, so I donâ??t know.

Based on new info there though I think I am going to proclaim it was possibly from rubbing or leaning up against concrete while measurements for the arc of the stalk were calculated..

As for leaf tips browning: Yes, MB, I gotta go with my stinginess with the Perlite in her earlier 2 gal pot. when I did the transplant to the 5gal I tried to match Harddonâ??s proportion from his rootball pics, but probably still went to light with it.

Also Tks for N input MB. Some day as geriatrics weâ??ll have that dinn on me and hash out all kinds of altitudes.

I should probably start an official log on this grow - but this morning I came down, sipped a couple hits, began surveying my work done and work to be done and then, oh fuck, the perfect fit humidity dome I found for the cloning tub ainâ??t gonna fit under that screen.

Great. Okay fine. So - just as Iâ??m considering the free style bulb makeover, Iâ??m sliding into spacier thoughts of discouragement (at grow purchases to date approaching street price of an oz ), and Iâ??m gawkin over the canopy, sure trying to recoup yesterdayâ??s cockiness, and whatâ??s this... the â??saw dustâ?� I thought I saw yesterday, now looks more like a mold???.

Turns out itâ??s spider mites. Just on maybe a node or two of leaves on about 2 or 3 low olf branches. Branches that had been heading for cloning ward.

And as usual when it comes to some new turn in this we only had an old sprayer of Hyponex with less than a quarter cup left, so I used that.
What do â??weâ?� know about shelf life of these gentler pesticides? Anybody.
Will get some Johhson&Johnsons Baby tomorrow and follow up with that.

Pics of infestation below.

Hopefully nailed mite prob in the bud. Make that â??..before the budâ?�.

Letâ??s see. What else. Good to see latewoodâ??s still kickin.

Oh. Right. Correction to above description of flexible ductwork product at HD.
I had said they stretched to 10â?? in length. Meant to say they're 8â?? when stretched. In the store they are compressed to about 36â?�. Just so folks know what to look for. Makes itâ??s own elbows. About $7 and change.

MB, the Stanley deff seems to have the efficiency to pull the exhaust. No question a 2nd one would now fit inside box (since cloning tank's gotta go elsewhere)(and lights will prob be rehung freestyle) The Stanley is quieter than fans on hand. So, do I wanna get another one, becomes the question. Will see how gusts look, and how loud fan sounds when all closed up.

[Rezinator]

Man I gotta try doing this straight some time...lol

I don't even listen to Pink Floyd that much anymore....rotfl

Dah. Da pics.

[Marc Benson]

Are you sure that's mites? I had thrips and the leaves looked identical. Right down to the black specs, which are their shit. Maybe mites leave the same sign? I used a product called Concern to get rid of them. Worked good but it browned the tips of the pistils a little. They came out of it though and you can't even tell they were brown now.

[Rezinator]

Not 100% sure, Marc.

The Hyponex has thrips covered - provided shelf life ain't blown by winter freezes -

Googled up pics until larvae of Spider Mite matched up about as close as anything. Loupe is only about 15x or 20x. Larvae of these guys weren't amber. More milky white transluscent. And although I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night, the adult looked to me like it had an 8 legged gait.

[HARDDON]

ROFLMMFAO :)

[Zandor]

Rezinator - How sure are you that leaf tip is light burns? Most of the light burn I have ever experienced or seen the leaf tips look different. They are white to light brown from burning, the internal temperature fries the leaf and the color turns more of a lighter color. Fungus mold is black or dark colored and I would guess that is more the case then light burn. Don't you monitor the temperature at the top of your canopy anyway? (like you should be)

[HARDDON]

Here is what I know to be both lamp burn....it started off as dark falling leafs on a main leaf set.

[Marc Benson]

I saw this on your sog grow pics HD. This looks like light burn too. In fact looks just like Zandor suggested. Lighter colored.

[Rezinator]

Busy day - but back - and whoa - you guys -

Yesssss I am gonna need some good guidance on the plants health now.

First though - just as a frame of reference - a little of what is going on production-wise here:
Also first:
Be advised plant feels like she could take a watering tomorrow. It was probably a mistake but in the 5gal I put in about 5 inches of lava rock and granite chunks. My highest 3/4" holes are about that height - can only get my finger into about 4 of them - have dampness there - holes are hollowed out so lacking a moisture meter ($$$???), But let me get back to this issue below. Or jump to Watering and Ferts, below if you don't have time for this level of TMI (too much info).

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I've got several newbie induced issues to deal with under a relatively conservative budget. Relative to, well, youz guys bugetsezz, mostly.

But if you can bear with me, seems I do have a barrage things comin at me at once on this. So prioritizing's a bitch, and I know I could make a bad move if I do not give you all enough info to work with for me if you would all just make your best arguments to each other here. Please be my guests.
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Today:
Vented left side panel for intake air and glued up a light trap. Pics later maybe. Also mounted up the ductwork from the ceiling. Will go - stage left - into an old corrugated box stacked atop other empty boxes.

Re: Temps, Zandor:
I will begin monitoring temps in earnest soon as other box panels are left on any length of time. She may have had one or two days down here this summ when it got over 85. Maybe a week of days at 80-85.
Rest of time it was no more than 76.

Donâ??t mean to underplay temps, but Marc and I were discussing Nitrogen which this plant (okay letâ??s name her - Jane - how original - yeah well if thereâ??s already a Jane in the registry, lemme know. :)) --- Jane never got N during veg. We were also agreeing Janeâ??s orginal 2 gal (had her targeted for outdoors then) plastic container pot only got about half the Perlite it should have been given.

So... Me, Iâ??m thinkinâ?? long term oxygen deficiencies among other things - toasted root tips. And sure - never having had Nitrogen during veg?? Donâ??t think it can be factored out.
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If you guys have books besides the Cervantes try, books that have photos instead of illustrations of leaves/ deficiences, plus a RELIABLy corrosponding set of legends keyed to various deficiencies please please please give this your best analysis.
Will try to provide info here that i expect would help you diagnose these things.

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Now...

Be advised I have leaves that look like BOTH what Harddon and Marc just put up.

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So far in her life Jane has had only 2 nutrient feedings. And this has been a product called Vigoro(tm) â??Root Stimulatorâ?�. Please donâ??t laugh. Stuff probably sucks (imbalanced and inorganic) but I got it over the counter. (Still hating idea of anything related to this getting shipped here. And no. I donâ??t happen to have well trusted straight friends whoâ??d do sommersaults at the prospect of implicating themselves. Who is the genius who dreamed up that solution... lol.)

May, may that is, attempt a Western Union - UPS pickup deal - still - even those fucks have my name in their wizbang, self-serv sys now. Phone number gives me away. Donâ??t have a cell these days. Need Superthrive. Bat Guano, VitB1,

[Fuck - note to myself to go cut some willow branches - make stew tea for soaking clones. Also to also get 4 hot peppers - to make up recipe for pepper spray.]

Anyway -- Jane could take a feeding tomorrow or the next day. Question. When you guys didnâ??t do hydro or own moisture meters, and please imagine common white 5gal pail, did you or do you go more by how the leaves look, or by how dry or damp the soil -- is. Iâ??d say I had a fairly dry dampness goin on - top two inches and at top of drainage rocks.

??? Nitrogen ??? Will be in 12/12 in less than 36 hours from now.

Janeâ??s only ever 2 feedings were gentle intro half strength Vigoro which is 2-5-2. w/vitB1.

Unless advised otherwise, Jane will get a full strength Schultz Cactus Plus (2-7-7) tomorrow morning and her first 12 hour night will commence at 7:00pm.

She has not been well nourished but sheâ??s clean. No worries on nute burn nor salts and lockup.

If I was to buy one of the exotic west coast products which do you guys think would be the best blooming nute thing to really pump her with.

Will be taking the clones shortly before buttoning everything up. Thermometer will go right on along in there, you bet, Z. tks.

Somebody let me know if I should call this my log? or should I start a new thread about noise supression plans?

And Definitely please answer at least this one question.

When I give her the first feeding of Schultz tomorrow, I have the option of adding some Peters 20-20-20 at some dosage or another.

I really do think my lights should individually hung now - Harddon, how much did your long CFLâ??s go for. Am devising a way so they will stay hang, but be balanced horizontally.

Also have a hood half made. It was going to attach to the light frame. Arc, Batwing, wasnâ??t sure. Hanging bulbs, hmmm. See. Iâ??m tossing that against making the hour run to the modest nearby wannabee metropolis for some top shelf nutes.

See what I mean??

Funny part is I misfiled (okay, fucking lost) the instructions to the damned GE timer and have to start a freaking thread just to see if anybody DIDNâ??T throw out the paper they put the full instructions on -- the freaking packaging naturally, so, as for GE, who make freaking jet engines (and every other gd thing) in their spare time... you think youâ??re gonna find oem timer documentation on their website?? Go ahead. Try. Just don't bill your time to moi, k?