HARD ON'S FIRST LST

[HARDDON]

Ok.....I went with a scrog version of an LST.

WTF is that you ask?

I have no fucking idea, is my answer.

But we shall see what happens :)

3 plants, all about 29 days old...pulled from the SOG as these were the slwest growers out of the bunch. Healthy just slow growers.

Included is the 3 headed stepchild.

Anyhow here are some basics.

One 24" wide rectangular container.
2 inches of small red lava rock on bottom bed.
2 plants, blueberry X strawberry cough
1 plant, blueberry X jack herrer

Transplanted all three into the same container. Containers sectioned off under soil line. These three plants were transplanted also 5 days ago...this is their 3rd home in 6 days.

It is hoped that I can train these plants to grow low, along the wire mesh, much like a vine would grow. I want the secondaries to sprout up and it is from there that I hope to obtain the finest tomatos.

First some basic pics.

PICS 1 2 3 are of the plants, in their new home, un LST'd

[HARDDON]

Now here they are post LST :)

[HARDDON]

NOTE in the pic number 3 there is a hose in the lower right corner. This is for when flower time comes around, I prefer to bottom feed the plants as I believe it makes for bigger tomatos :)

The box is bottom bedded with lava rock, so as the water is poured in, it will flood the bed of lava rock, which will absorb much moisture. Then, the soil will begin to suck up the moisture from the rock, thereby creating almost a drip system effect.

I prefer this method as it is much easier to dictate and control the moisture level of the entire soil bed as a whole as opposed to saturating it with water, letting it dry, saturate, dry, saturate, dry, etc....

This way you can help maintain stable and consistent moisture of the soil.

It is hoped that these slow growing plants will grow and I am able to simply tie down the heads, as they grow, and have them encompass the entire screened area thereby mitigating the height issues.

Thanks for viewing and feel free to add any advise if you have LST'd before.

[cannabuds]

Sorry no advice but was a good read and i like the post plants are looking good and btw the blueberry X jack herer m ix is that the three headed one?

[HARDDON]

Yes, she is the 3 headed stepchild.

[Joel]

My god harddon, your shit gets better and better. If you're gonna do this again you should record a log on it, paper or thread, ex : Nutes ( N-P-K ) whenever you change it and @ how many weeks. Anyways I think you know what Im tryn to tell ya, it would make for an UBER thread.

PS : What lights are you using if these LST's are located in a different position than your SOG.

[HARDDON]

Easy log so far Joel...

Never had nutes at all. .....lol....

Simple enuff?? :)

I am using my CFL's for the LST and the HID for the SOG...

[Joel]

In general, I wasnt neccessarily talking about the nutes right this instant. Im talking about if you're going to do a nuteplan then you should post it up for others to learn from your lush green experience.

[AngryJohnny]

slide you some relective material between the soil and wire mesh.

assume you have a little room to move it in and out for watering through veg then left alone due to hose watering.

cut some mylar to 14x14
cut one line half across
placed ontop of 12qt pots like a square pacman

no soil light loss
no light loss below the rims

light being reflected back up is lighting up those 2ndaires.

[Nutzz]

why are you using that shelf, to keep them upright

[Marc Benson]

"light being reflected back up is lighting up those 2ndaires"

I read that the bottoms of leaves don't have any light receptors so lighting up the bottoms of the leaves isn't going to accomplish anything.

What covering the soil may do though is help promote mold. Not a good thing.

[HARDDON]

Well I certainly place respect on the assistance and advice.

NOrmally I use white marble chips for soil cover....but in this case, it simply isnt needed. With all those lights running I am producing well over 12,000 lumens per square...

I simply don't need anymore light, as light is plentiful with Kelvins of 6400.

They received their first nutes in life today....3 heaping tablespoons of bat shit and 2 gallons of water.

The lighting and layout as it is I think is working perfectly for two of the three.

Here is one...

BEFORE and 2 DAYS LATER....

[HARDDON]

Now remember this is 2 DAYS LATER :)

I have plenty of light.......there are now 9 new bud sites.... :)

This LST is FUN :)

9 sites now showing in 2 days.....

BEFORE and 2 DAYS LATER :)

[HARDDON]

FInally the 3 headed one.

Interesting but it appears the 3 heads now are original secondaries. They are not responding to the LST the way the others are with development of new shoots.

This may just be a 3 budded plant and thats it. If so, I'll just march her main grow tip back and forth up the railing.

I like this type of grow I can tell already. When ready to flower, hell I'll just throw the box below into the flower chamber and have me a field of buds :)

I'm excited again :)

ONe thing with the LST is you need to tie them and then retie them 2x a day. After a few hours of being on their sides, the grow tips upright themselves, stretch a bit and need to be retied.

I have done it twice this evening alone..

[Joel]

Looking awesome.

[HARDDON]

And this is why plants veg so nice :)

This is 430W of true Full Spectrum CFL @ 6400K...one bulb is 5000K...

You cannot buy these lights at the local harware store or nursery. With the fan on them, they are cool to the touch. Without the fan...ouch !

I'll post an udate tomoro night an you will see a nice growth on at least two of the three.

The 3 headed one will prolly just grow the 3 heads and I'll chop them off for clones maybe?

[Rezinator]

Harddon.

You suck!

Actually I am green.

Or wish I was green-errrr.

Or sumpin.

:)

[crazyguy]

hey hd, where do you get your ballast's from???

[Marc Benson]

Looking good HD! You should take a look at Rezzinators 'HST'. A true vine type of a situation. But I had a question. What's the size of your grow area where these plants are growing?

[HARDDON]

hey hd, where do you get your ballast's from???


They came with the lights...I got at hydroasis.com


What's the size of your grow area where these plants are growing?

30" Wide x 18" Deep X 24" tall.

I will take a look at rezzinators HST. Thanks :)

[Marc Benson]

Hey HD. Comment/thought/R&D. I've been thinking of something and Rezinator's 'HST' really made me wonder about it. I think it'd work.

How about if you put a light at the very right (or left) side of your grow. Or maybe all your lights (the more the better) and then allowed the plant to grow towards that light. You basically would be pulling it horizontally along your mesh towards the light. Causing it to stretch yes but as it did nodes would be forming along it's length and once you had it pulled across the entire width of the grow area, put the lights above it and yank those secondary growth shoots straight up! Mega bud sites and all would be just like the main cola. Just a thought.

To go along with that I read where when the main cola is held down so it's basically lower than the rest of the growing shoots that the plant actually goes through a change where all the growth shoots receive the same message to grow the same as the main cola is supposed to. So that's something else to think about.

[HARDDON]

INteresting thoughts there MB....

I think making the plants grow TOWARDS the light would unfortunately sacrifice the direct light right on top of the secondaries which is really what I want to focus on.
I understand your concept and in theory makes sense if I am growing anything other than tomatos :)

As for the main head being lower than the rest of the plant....I have never thought of that. As it stands right now, I am so happy with the results.... I dont want the secondaries to grow up and tall right now. In a while yes, jsut not yet, as I am looking to get them broad leafed and numerous.

I figure in 30 days they will encompass the entire screen and then.........

I will try the lower head on one of them and compare :)

Thanks for the ideas. :)

[HARDDON]

Two days later...

The three headed one isnt growing secondaries at all, just getting longer. I suspect a topping is in order :)

The other two are cranking away.... I suspect in 12 more days the screen will be covered.

My others will still be in flower so I will prolly flower these with 5 2700K CFLs....just to see how those bulbs work.

Will solve a lot of probs for peeps stuck with CFL....heat issues and height issues. Will be a good test for these newer bulbs :)

[red662]

harddon can u top a plant a week an a half in2 flowerin r should i just leave it?
my plants are all lokkin well, i am a bit shocked, i have 18, and unless im terribly mistaken not one is male..... weird is this possible?ill post pic later but as far as i can c they r lookin well, one has produced some nice buds, and this is the one i cut the fan leaves off? weird, all the rest have the right stuff for females and most u can tell straight away, one r 2 im not completly sure bout, but the nxt few days will reveal all, ill post a thread with the pics later and harddon will u give me ur verdict.
peace.

[HARDDON]

I wouldn't top a plant in flower.

Perhaps others would but I woul never attempt this...I don't see the benefits playing out like topping in veg.

Just my own view.

[Marc Benson]

I agree with HD. You top a plant to get the next two growing shoots to grow more so you have a two headed monster instead of one, but since you're not going to get much growth in flower (just stretching) it would seem like it wouldn't do much good.

[red662]

thnxs again people, as always very helpfull, i have 2 post pics of them plants, one already looks like a little three with nuggets, lovely. and as i said as far as i can tell all r female, maybe they where all fem seeds i dont know, but i have looked after them.,i look 4word 2 ur verdict on the pics. thnxs 4 the advice again.
its startin 2 get really busy out there a lot of work with 18 plants, but seein the buds startint 2 produce is fascinatin man, its deadly i cant wait 22 taste the flavour of my labour,lol
marc hit me up with an email, wanna presnt u with an offer, hardddon ill mail u 2day
red662athush.ai

[HARDDON]

Lesson #69

When tieing your LST, leave room on the sides for the new growth to expand. The plants grow up, wide and out as well as longer.

THey jumble up into ibg mass of leaves...looks like a small cabbage plant :)

[chonged]

Hi HD,

please excuse my ignorance...but are u letting he plant grow up thru the screen itself, or are u helping the branches / leaves thru it ?

[HARDDON]

I let the plants grow first, then i placed the screen over it. Then I tied down the plants to the screen...

Now i let it grow a bit, tie it down....

let it grow a bit, tie it down...etc etc

It goes to the very first node so all new growth is now on top of the screen. I use the screen also to tuck under the larger fan leaves.

[Marc Benson]

Hey HD is that your gut sticking in the bottom of the last photo??!! Or is your wife taking the pics and with child? snicker snicker snicker

[HARDDON]

Goddamnit MB.

You know how many pics I had to take to get the toes outta the way??????

I busted my ass sticking my gut OUT to cover the toes.

I just had a huge meal and was really stretching to stick it out for that pic :)

Really.

Honestly.

I promise.

CHICKS HERE: DO NOT BELIEVE I HAVE A BIG GIANT BELLY LIKE FAT BASTURD.

I am a HARD ON :)

[Marc Benson]

HA! I'm just having fun with you HD. I don't have a 6 pack either. More like a pony keg. Shits to be 50. But here's a pic of me that I took just for you. I've come quite a ways since I sent you the tit picture huh!

[AngryJohnny]

ewwwwwwww :(


well everything is looking BIGGER, even that BELLY.

nothin like muchies from a Cunt n Whore :p

[jimmybobjoe]

Man Hardon, these babies are looking awsome. How tall are they now?

[poppasmoke66]

man harddon that looks soo cool, let me get this right just in case i'm lame and don't understand, as i am neww to all plant growing, u want to have as many secondaries as possible, so as to have as many tomatos as possible, instead of having a tall plant with a single thick tomato, u'll have a short plant with lots of thick tomatos? i hope that works very well for u, sofar it looks nice and green!:)

[Da1KrayzieThug]

A secondary growth node is like an enite seperate plant in itself. That secondary growth will then, with enough time, start to get its own secondary growths. So when you have a secondary growth node growing better than if the plant were to not have been bent, then its like growing another smaller plant along with your main kola. :D Hope this helps. Nice plants as always Limpy.

[poppasmoke66]

SWEET!!!!! man i can't wait to see ur babies grow harddon

[HARDDON]

These were taken two days ago. I just tied them all down again tonight so the canopy is almost full.

[HARDDON]

Here are most current pics.

This is the last time I am able to tie them down. This will fill the screen completely in another couple of days. The growth has been much faster than I thought.

Also the growth under the 65W CFL is better than under the 125W CFL.

I bought them from two different companies and I think the 65W is more true in spectrum than the 'grow' lights.

I think the medical lights are indeed as advertised. I guess they need to be for medical regulations or something :)

None the less, this is the final tie. After this, I will begin to flower with a 400W HPS light. Maybe I' try one of the new Hortilux bulbs :)

I figure another 6 days and I will be ready :)

[KenoSmoker]

This makes me wanna try LST, Great job HARDDON

[HARDDON]

MAJOR DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got stoned last night and accidently fed my plants water that was pH down to 2.8:eek:

the lst plant on the right is about wasted. One of the three headed tops is damaged.

So far noting else...but it appears to be spreading left....

This could be a total disaster.

I flooded it with water with a pH of 13 to try and neutralize....may add some baking soda to another hug of water and water agan.

Will post later gotta go play rugby :)

[cannabuds]

OPPS LOL sorry to here that i hope it turns out ok but.... i like sig did you have a lawyer write that for you ? man it sucks that you have to put that to stay legit btw what ya think of my avatar

[KenoSmoker]

Sorry to hear that HD,hope things work out for you. Nice avatar Cannabuds xD

peace

[red662]

hope it works out HD, fingers r crossed 4 u man, hopefully all will b ok.
another lesson learned 4 all off us.

[HARDDON]

Well I chopped back all kinds of shit on the far right plant. The middle plant with three heads had one head affected but looks ok.

I watered them again several gallons with pH 20 water....added a shit load of baking soda to get it that high :)

All seems to be well.....Now i will have to see if the plant rebounds as now its mostly just a main stem with some grow on it......friking ugly man just ugly.

Will post pics later. Hopefully the acid has been neutralized but this is a danger of doing plants in multiple plant grow containers.

Funny thing is.,.....it didnt hurt my flowering plants at all....they both got the same water.

Is it possible it was oxygen poisoning? Yesterday was first day ever I turned off the air fan that pulls fresh air in and circulates it. So no fresh air came in the closet but it was only like 12 hours......I kept the fan on and the plants closet to the fan are the ones that got hit.

Just cooincidence?

Now I have neutralized the soil and probably will kill the other two plants....bahumbug...

Thats cool though cuz I really wanna grow these 5 durban poison seeds I got from south africa from ricco...i guess :D

[RastaKaze]

Aww man sorry to hear... Oh well that's pretty nice that you got some free seeds, that's good to hear. Good your growin durban poison too, I'll know if I'm doing mine right ;) lol Good luck with the one survivor man

[Sentinel]

how do you test the Ph of water :S i plan on just using tap water that has sat out for 48 hours...

[latewood]

interesting...

[red662]

whats the news hd?
any change??

[HARDDON]

I think I figured out what happened.

If you notice, in the front right of the grow box, I have a tube that runs down to the lava rock bed for bottom watering.

Well the other night when I watered with the super low pH, I watered right into the soil, bypassing the tube that surely hits the roots with the water flow.....but I use a 3 gallon jug to water and a lot of water prolly when right into the tube....

which is right next to the plant on the right.

It probably hit the roots with the super acidic water and nailed it hard....

The soil probably buffered it out which is why my flowering plants didnt get hurt nor did parts of my LST on the far left. The water never touched the roots bare like it did by the tube.

I keep a 5 gallon jug full of low Ph water and mix with fresh high alkaline and get a balance.

I ws stoned and used the super low pH water... :(

I'll post a pic of the gruesome aftermath tonight, they are sleeping right now.

[red662]

have the rest come on ok??

[HARDDON]

UPDATED.

The near death experience has passed it seems. But it left a devastating hole in my right side of the canopy. What should have been a complete canopy by now will prolly have to wait till another 10 days or so to fill in.

So I will reset the clock to say 10/13 for complete coverage.

Anyhow here is how they stand.....

[HARDDON]

Not bad for 21 days, eh??????

Except for the acid bath I gave them :eek:

When HARD ON SAYS he can veg with the best of em...you best listen :)

[Marc Benson]

Yeah right! You can tell those are just plastic! Look how shiny they are!! You been hangin' out at Hobby Lobby too much HD.

[HARDDON]

FUnny........

Actually its a special formula I use as I mist them down....unfreaking believable how it helps them.

Was taught to me by a very special person :)

I rarely even post pics of them with it on them....that one wasnt even supposed to be posted :D

Look for DR. HARD ON'S TWIN BALL ROOT TONIC PRIVATE LABEL FORMULA in a store near you soon :D:D:D:D

[RastaKaze]

care to share the recipe? :D

[Marc Benson]

Of course I was just messin' with ya HD. You know I love ya. But tell us more about the good Doctor's Tonic!! Is it just for the plants general health that can be used for it's entire life or for specific times? It really lays on the leaves nice. Must be the soap.

[HARDDON]

LOL...

No gents it is not for release at this time. :)

Will it work on flowers?

I do not know yet. Saturday night I will make the first topical applications to a couple of my flowers to do a side by side. The concern is the flowers abilities to absorb the tonic when the flower is protected by a resinous coating.

Extreme care must be taken to not disolve or cause to be dislodged the trichs. We aren't that far ahead but first tests wll be done this weekend...

But I feel comfortable in saying that for vegetative stages, it works like magic. It has even helped the acid burned plant recover more quickly than it should have and prevented the spread I think as well.

Coming soon to a store near you :)

[RastaKaze]

Wait. Seriously? C'mon man brand and bottle that stuff for the masses!!! I'd gladly pay 10 bucks a gallon. Lookin' good man :D

[HARDDON]

Yes, seriously.

[RastaKaze]

Damn... could I have you ship some to me in the future? How would you price the stuff? I'd gladly pay $5 per 2 liter. And I wouldn't have to know the ingredients :D

[HARDDON]

Well if I marketed it for tomatos or other food grade plants, I would have to go thru FDA approval....that would cost about $50,000,000.00

NO BULLSHIT.

So I would have to market some for general house plants....

But yes, Rasta, the minute the formula is created en masse, I will send you an autographed personal bottle....on the house :)

The big question will be how does it work on the flowers....and I shall demo the process, as I DO ALL MY PROCESSES, right here for you to see the results...good or bad.

If nothing else, it could be marketed as a vegetative supplement.

And no, you wont know the ingredients other than they are 100% organic and contains ZERO CHEMICALS......

Coming soon to a web site near you :) :) :)

But it works like magic....

I guess thats why I am so....arrogant? :D

[Da1KrayzieThug]

It's water isnt it? :P

[RastaKaze]

No man.. No way that's water. I mist my plants down all the time you don't get an even coating like that. Like HD said, I'm sure it's composed of organic stuff. Makin' it slightly thicker then water, and a hell of a lot more effective, from what I see :D HD is the ONLY one on this site that I have seen with plants that look like they do on day 7 (and I'm NOT just saying that)... Now we know why. So how long until it's available? Are we looking at months, a year mabye? Keep us udated man.

Peace

[m4o2n0a]

Hi HD, I once heard that spraying your tomatoes with Southern Comfort did some awesome shit for your grow. Have you ever heard of anything like this before? Or is this just some crakpot idea? lol

Just curious...

[HARDDON]

Yes. I have heard of that.

The theory is the sugars are beneficial to the flowers. Not the alcohol though.

Coke or Pepsi regular soda is great fertilizer for your lawn or any high nitrogen plants when buffered with an alkaline substance.

I can say no more at this point :D

[m4o2n0a]

You always have something to say... lmao :p

Am I on to some method you are using for your (secret) super lookin grows?

Are ya holdin out on us or whats the deal? :cool:

[HARDDON]

I return only this time to finish the post re: the LST.

If you recall, what started out as a SOG was split into one SOG and one LST. The sog grew way taller than I intended but none the less turned out wonderfully.

The LST method proves to be the absolute easiet way to grow tomato plants in a short height area. As the pic shows, you simply tie down the stems to the wire grate and keep tieing her down over and over and over...soon you will have 20 or so buds in flower.

THis was done in a space of 3 feet tall by 18" deep x 2.5 ft wide box. I have the 250W MH and 400W HPS lights with in 8 inches of the canopy with a fan blowing and a vortex exhaust.

Flowers were fed once at start day 1 of flower and again at day 30. No flushing is needed and no further ferts are needed. The resulting smoke is outrageously good yet smooth as my ass. (I have no hair on my ass).

As I mentioned, this way is extremely easy to manage. I only had to check on them once every 3 or 4 days for water and thats all. The work is in the beginning tie down but its all worth it.

THis will yeild a good one quarter pound in a very small space. 3 units stacked on top of one another should yeild close to 3/4 pound or even one pound. Early in their veg stage I burned half of the one on the left so I am shy probably another 1 ounce because of the fuck up.

This LST was done with 3 plants all vegged stress free and they were all three females. I tribute the success rate of a finished female to male ratio of 75% to the rooting hormone powder I started them off with by adding it to the water every time they got watered thru week 4.


The ferts used consist of a proprietary blend of the following:

Jack Daniels Whisky
Ammonia
Clear Corn Syrup
Lipton Iced Tea, dry granules


...and a few other ingredients that I shall not list. Do not try this without all the ingredients required as there are natural buffers needed that if not present will kill your plants. Also, if specific plant hormones are not present in the foilage at the proper feeding time, this will stunt the growth or it appears to have adverse effects on the smaller bud sites. This is true on both LST and regular grows.

One member here knows it. No one else does. It is easy as you feed 2X only and again, no flushing needed.

Maybe I'll bottle the stuff and market it for the tomatos.

It really does work gang. And the kicker is, it forces the plant to produce its maximum THC potential. Good weed will be great weed with this formula. I havent tried it on shitty weed. Great weed will be great weed on this formula.

The LST itself has proven to be ideal for growing in limited height conditions and can actually provide a hefty yeild for such a small space.

I highly recommend it as the way to grow if space is an issue. Almost all foilage drops off and you have only buds that stick straight up in the air and the stretching is minimized.

You do NOT get the typical BIG MAIN KOLA BUD off a grow like this. In fact, the main heads are some of the smallest buds on the plants. Its all about getting the secondary growth shoots exposed to light early on and let them grow. Tie them down...grow...tie...grow tie...

Well gang thats about it for me. I felt I had to finish the post to give the site a complete LST finality in case someone wants to do it.

I shalnt return so please dont get upset if I do not answer your questions. I have not returned to the scene so to speak, again I just wanted to finish the post as the grow is done.

Nice chatting with you all, I miss you all and love you all.

Take care and God Bless you all.

Sincerely,

HARD ON

PS...just for shits and grins and to puff my magic formula, I included a pic of a couple of buds from all those 7UP bottles that I grew in.

I got about 12 buds like these two out of the original SOG. Most were bent and warped because of the unanticipated height, but I also think the SOG is a great way to go as well....just dont veg longer than 21 days and you do need about 4 feet for a good SOG.

You will get a good one bud main kola that looks like these :)

If I decide to forgo the marketing I will tell the member here, if he wishes to disclose the exact specs for the food mix and time patterns. If I decide to market it for tomato plants, trust me, you'll be the third to know.

FOr the knowitalls who will piss on my plant food and water theory, you dont have to think about it, since you know it all anyhow.

To those who have open minds, you will be amazed.

But whats a good HARD ON post without some spice, eh?

Asta La Vista fuckers. :D :D :D :D :D :D :thumbsup: :rasta:

[turtle420]

...


You're back!!! WuuupppeeEEE!!!!

I haven't read your post... I'll get to that in a moment... for now,

Welcome back!

-turtle420 :cool:

[JohnnyPotGrower]

i dont know about the rest of you, but i feel as if jesus himself just spoke to me...

[stickygreenlightsabr]

I really hope you market it under HARDDON TOMATO ELIXIR. Good luck and great results.

[Powder Puff]

Damn.. He left again..!:(

I have read some of his thread's, and I find them very inspiering!:)

[lemonboy]

I really appreciated the first half of the thread but not so much when it started spouting about proprietary techniques and formulas. Almost 100% of what we do here is learned/borrowed from people we meet, things we read, and techniques we are introduced to as we are learning. You left me feeling like a carnival patron listing to a schpiel for miracle cream.

Attached is a shot from one of subcool's own plants grown in his organic supersoil. The entire method/formula is documented online with pictures and the plants only require water throughout their entire flowering cycle. Kisses.

[latewood]

For all who are concerned...Harddon is not back, he just wanted to finish LST thread for any of you that were interested...as far as the partial recipe...well, there is a good chance that it will be marketed, and that is why H did not divulge everything about the
formula and timeframes for usage...suffice it to say, I am smoking some Of Harddon's shit, right now!...the boy can grow, despite people's feelings about him or his methods.

I personally have found him to be generous and forthcoming throughout my relationship with him...lw

[lemonboy]

as far as the partial recipe...well, there is a good chance that it will be marketed, and that is why H did not divulge everything about the
formula and timeframes for usageMy only gripe was in regards to free access to information or the lack thereof. Given the fact that most growers are operating under the radar for fear of very malicious prosecution, it just doesn't seem very kind to capitalize on them. The best teachers... the true "masters" in any field... are the ones that give because they want to and take because they have to.

[latewood]

Time is a very valuable commodity...If someone spends the time/money/effort to do R&D, testgrows, marketing/bottling, etc, etc; I personally don't see anthing wrong with that at all...alot of time and money goes into experiments like this. I know!

I'm glad you brought this up, no offense, but if everyone followed your philosophy, then I wouldn't have to pay 59.99 for Voodoo Juice,LOL, later,lw