abortion

[mf greg]

sorry people for all the opinion based questions, schools a bitch.
i was wondering what everybodys views on abortion is, when is a baby technically alive and do you consider it murder if somebody has an abortion?

[Canadabis]

Its a tough choice. It will change mommy and daddy forever. :(

[lemonboy]

As a male I feel underqualified to answer this question. We're talking about more than the value of life. It is undervalued each and ever day by countless members of our community. It has got to be the mother's decision. Regardless of how young the baby is, it will still ultimately impact the mother the most. Whether society feels this pain as a whole I truly feel it is there. It exists within the mother and is completely valid as long as she lives.

[mf greg]

for the most part yes it ultimatly impacts the mother but i went through a time last year where a girl i had been seeing(she was a rebound, baad mistake) had gotten pregnant and i think that it had a larger physcological impact on me then her.

[Nutzz]

I feel abortion is OK in only cases of incest/rape/danger to mom. That being said I didn't fight it when a girl I got pregnant had an abortion, hell I paid for it.

[Stedric]

for the most part yes it ultimatly impacts the mother but i went through a time last year where a girl i had been seeing(she was a rebound, baad mistake) had gotten pregnant and i think that it had a larger physcological impact on me then her.
Well it didn't, trust me.

[Canadabis]

I want to kill you all, this thread should die, it bothers me greatly.

[Stedric]

I want to kill you all, this thread should die, it bothers me greatly.
Erm...ok?! Well you can't kill us all so I suggest you learn to deal with it. :)

[Canadabis]

Deal with it...
This is the "lounge" I am hard pressed to think of a lounge with hookah and cooler where someone would just pipe up and throw down some earth shattering shit like abortion...Who wants to have a beer and smoke a bowl and think about that.
I outta poke you in the eye.
Fools ya.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Abortion helped reduced crime in the U.S.

[Fengzi]

My wife and I have been through an abortion, a miscarriage, and the birth of our daughter. In that order. Going through all these experiences has really taught me a few things and shaped my current views on abortion. Below is our story and my views. Sorry if it's a bit long winded but it was hard to shorten it down.

The Abortion- Shortly after we were married we learned that my wife had gotten pregnant. We were usually very careful but somehow it happened. At that time were were both unemployed. My wife was not a U.S. citizen and at that time she was only in the U.S. temporarily, and her ultimate immigration status was in question. We knew she had to leave the country in a few months and didn't know when she would be back. Even without a pregnancy it was a very traumatic time for us. It was a bad time to have a baby so we decided that my wife would get an abortion. It was the most difficult decision that we ever had to make. The deciding factor was not based on our selfishness (as many pro-lifers would have you to believe) but on the fact that we did not feel that we could provide a decent life for a child at that time.

The Miscarriage- Six years later my wife and I both had very good jobs in the high tech industry, we were about to purchase our own house in a good neighborhood, and the time was right. We wanted a baby. Within a few weeks my wife was pregnant and we were so happy. Our parents were all ecstatic at the news they would be grandparents. Everything was good. At 10 weeks we were scheduled to go into see the docs and get the first ultrasound. Ironically, it was the morning of the appointment that my wife started to have a little bleeding which was a bad thing. When the doc did the ultrasound he told us there was no heartbeat. My wife was bleeding because she was having a miscarriage. It crushed us.

Our Daughter- After the miscarriage we were pretty shooken up. Although neither of us mentioned it then we both wondered if it wasn't some karmic payback for the abortion. We waited a year or so and then decided to to try again. At my wifes 10 week appointment we were incredibly nervous. And then, one of the greatest moments of my life, when the doc did the ultrasound we heard my daughter's heartbeat for the very first time. Four months later our daughter was born. She was 7 weeks early but strong as an ox. She just turned two in July.

One thing we learned when my wife had a miscarriage is that a staggering percentage of pregnancies actually end in a miscarriage during the first trimester. Estimates are anywhere from 30%-70%. No one is really sure exactly since many times it happens before the woman even knows she's pregnant and she just thinks it is a heavy period because she was a bit late. It seems that the first 10 weeks of fetus development are incredibly complex and a lot can go wrong. When it does, a misscarriage is essentially natures way of aborting the fetus. The docs even call it a spontanious abortion. There is really nothing anyone can do to prevent it. It isn't even until the end of the first trimester that the fetus is really developed enough to even see if it is going to be ok.

So..



1. Too many children are born into poverty to parents that can not, or will not, provide a good life for them. Or to parents that will possibly resent them and not love them. It is far better to end a pregnacy than to force a child to be born into these condidtions.

2. No matter what anyone might say, getting an abortion is an incredibly difficult choice for the woman, and in many cases the man, to make.

3. Abortion should be a last resort for a one-time mistake. While I don't propose any legal limits on how many abortions a person can have, it is not a form of birth control. I work with a girl whose had three abortions. This is just irresponsible. I mean come on folks, everyone can make a mistake, just learn from it.

4. There should be no restrictions on getting an abortion during the first trimester. During this early stage of development there is no way in hell a fetus could survive outside of the mother and a good percentage of them don't survive in the mother. This is the time when nature will end a pregnacy if it has made a mistake so it is not unreasonable that humans use this time for that purpose as well.

5. I would not be against some restrictions on early 2nd trimester abortions. Two or three months is ample time to make the decision so after that you have to start wondering "why now". I haven't really thought out exactly how it should be restricted. Possibly a review and approval by a social worker and/ or psychologist. Something like that.

6. Late 2nd/3rd trimester abortions should be limited to cases where there is risk to the mother and/or where there is evidence that the fetus has some kind of disorder such as down's syndrome, etc.

7. Fuck any Bible thumper who wants to tell other people they can't get an abortion based on their own religous views. And for their sake, if they ever call me or especially my wife a "baby killer" they better damn well hope their really is a God to save their sorry ass.

That's what I think.

[stonerpoet]

for the most part yes it ultimatly impacts the mother but i went through a time last year where a girl i had been seeing(she was a rebound, baad mistake) had gotten pregnant and i think that it had a larger physcological impact on me then her.

Trust me the physcological impact was much more difficult on her then it was on you. As for my view of abortion, I think it's a womans right. No man has the right to tell a woman when and where to make a baby. Personaly I would only have one if I concived in a rape, other then that I couldnt.
By week 3 of your pregancy that baby has a heart beat. I couldnt kill my baby if it had a heart beat.
I know in the state of MI there making women see an ultra sound pic the night before the abortion and sending them home with the pic so they can be sure there sure.

[BobBong]

Hey this is a great subject for a cannabis forum... not.

but i'll give my opinion anyway.

Abortion to me.. is in reality completely up to the mother of the child. If she chooses NOT to have the child.. then she will not have the child. Abortion isn't something new. Medical advancements have just made it possible to kill the child before it's actually born.. or fully developed for that matter. People for thousands of years have been doing it. abandoning children, drowning them on birth...etc. cold? of course.
morbid? you bet! but shit.. it's your body so it's YOUR decision. just like Cannabis.. it comes down to the issue of YOUR body, YOUR choices.

You abort a birth, you still have to live with the knowledge that you did it. Personally i know a few people that have had them.. and will not have them again.

Also, views on abortion change dramatically when the woman actually starts to go through the hormonal changes.. alot of "Pro abortion" women.. change thier minds about thier decision and decide against an abortion and look into other options.

There is also, the issue of abortion of deformed or misdeveloped fetus. what if it's not safe to the mother? would you still opt. against abortion?

I think it basically comes down to the personal choice...The REAL issue.. is wether or not we are given that option to choose.

[GHoSToKeR]

Well said, BobBong. Everybody should be allowed their own opinion on abortion, but just because some think it's right and some think it's wrong should in no way mean that it should be illegal. Each woman should be allowed to make the choice for herself, based on her own opinions and feelings towards the subject. It should be that simple.

The government should not legislate morality. Unfortunately they try.

[colton]

Hey this is a great subject for a cannabis forum... not.

but i'll give my opinion anyway.

Abortion to me.. is in reality completely up to the mother of the child. If she chooses NOT to have the child.. then she will not have the child. Abortion isn't something new. Medical advancements have just made it possible to kill the child before it's actually born.. or fully developed for that matter. People for thousands of years have been doing it. abandoning children, drowning them on birth...etc. cold? of course.
morbid? you bet! but shit.. it's your body so it's YOUR decision. just like Cannabis.. it comes down to the issue of YOUR body, YOUR choices.

You abort a birth, you still have to live with the knowledge that you did it. Personally i know a few people that have had them.. and will not have them again.

Also, views on abortion change dramatically when the woman actually starts to go through the hormonal changes.. alot of "Pro abortion" women.. change thier minds about thier decision and decide against an abortion and look into other options.

There is also, the issue of abortion of deformed or misdeveloped fetus. what if it's not safe to the mother? would you still opt. against abortion?

I think it basically comes down to the personal choice...The REAL issue.. is wether or not we are given that option to choose.

Like those people in London that chose to get blown up on the way to work aye mate?

[GHoSToKeR]

Goddam.

[colton]

im sorry but there is so much hipocritical shit on here

[BobBong]

Like those people in London that chose to get blown up on the way to work aye mate?

What? do you realize how stupid you sound? Those people didn't chose to be killed.. that's the most ridiculous statement ever, and it's not what i said either. You obviously missed the point of my bringing that up.



like Jimi says..

[powair]

I am definately pro-choice. I have never been pregnant, and I dont think I would have an abortion if I was. I do believe that each individual has a complete right to choose for herself on that issue.

I do not believe it is murder. It seems sadder to wait like 6-7 months into the pregnancy, and more ethical to do it earlier but really, its the same. The fetus does not have an remnant of a personality because it has had no experiences. Therefore, I do not believe it is murder.

[stonerpoet]

Let me rephraze what I said the only way I would chose to have an abortion is if the child was concived from rape; but even then I dont know, there's always adoption. Or if there was a sever medical complation that could be hazordious to myself and child.

Abortion is one of thouse things for a woman, she can say she's for sure about it, but when push comes to shove it's a whole 'nother matter. Personaly, I hope I never have to face that decisition. But the day may come when I have to, and when that day does come it's up to me; not me and my husband, just me. It's no one else's busness but the woman who has to go thru with it.

[colton]

mate i know what it said and i know what you said and i dont wanna go on about it but i found it so offensive! You were talkin about intolerance while being intolerant to me

[BobBong]

I am definately pro-choice. I have never been pregnant, and I dont think I would have an abortion if I was. I do believe that each individual has a complete right to choose for herself on that issue.

I do not believe it is murder. It seems sadder to wait like 6-7 months into the pregnancy, and more ethical to do it earlier but really, its the same. The fetus does not have an remnant of a personality because it has had no experiences. Therefore, I do not believe it is murder.

well said. These women need to be aware of other choices to... foster homes, adoption...but they have to be willing to go through the entire pregnancy.. and usually if you're willing to do that.. you're willing to keep the child. Women often bond to thier fetus before its even in it's 3rd trimeseter.

P.s.. it's spelt hypocritical, you dumb fuck. and frankly.. bringing up shit that's been deleted from old boards, should be a bannable offense.

[BobBong]

mate i know what it said and i know what you said and i dont wanna go on about it but i found it so offensive! You were talkin about intolerance while being intolerant to me

no shit.. while you were intolerant to warlock...

who's the hypocrite now?

[colton]

mate read the thread he was sayin how 'chavs' are common pieces of shit ok, i joked about his hair, not the colour of his skin or any disability His hair!!!
and i only did that cos he was talkin about his hair when he was goin on about the vicar

[BobBong]

well then "mate" you've noticed how people.. along with you have been ripping into the goth culture, just because you can.

Don't piss your pants just because someone with half a brain stands up to you.

P.s. I'm British Canadian..

[colton]

like i also said i didnt even read that stupid goth thread i couldnt give a carrot what clothes he wears and just cos you can talk shit dont mean u have half a brain

p.s who cares

[Lulu]

Debate by all means but for crying out loud
keep the name calling out of it
these threads are getting ridiculous

I FEEL LIKE MEAN MOMMY!!! :eek:

[BobBong]

Yawn.. go cry me an English Channel.

[ScarlettCrush]

Morning after pill
Plan B

It works by releasing a chemical that keeps a woman's eggs from attaching to the uterine wall.(making her start her period) It can be taken up to 72 hours after unprotected sex and is easily gotten from planned parenthood clinics or your regular doctor for about 20$ a pill. One is all you need, however some pharmacies will not stock it so your doctor may have to change the scrip to birth control form. If this happens you take 3 or 4 pills at a time and it works the same. The names for it are morning after pill, or plan b you can order it from those internet pharmacies too.

[colton]

thats original

[BobBong]

Debate by all means but for crying out loud
keep the name calling out of it
these threads are getting ridiculous

I FEEL LIKE MEAN MOMMY!!! :eek:

I TOTALLY agree... this is a cannabis forum, not a religion forum or an abortion forum.. there are specific forum for this shit, they need to get used.

[GHoSToKeR]

Guys, come on. Just shut the fuck up. And I mean that in the nicest way possible. :)

[BobBong]

Morning after pill
Plan B

It works by releasing a chemical that keeps a woman's eggs from attaching to the uterine wall.(making her start her period) It can be taken up to 72 hours after unprotected sex and is easily gotten from planned parenthood clinics or your regular doctor for about 20$ a pill. One is all you need, however some pharmacies will not stock it so your doctor may have to change the scrip to birth control form. If this happens you take 3 or 4 pills at a time and it works the same. The names for it are morning after pill, or plan b you can order it from those internet pharmacies too.

I've heard alot of different opinions on those pills.. thankfully, i'll never have to take one.

I love my penis.

[ScarlettCrush]

I have had to take them twice, in both forms actually. I would rather take a pill than have a child that I can't take care of. (I could not have an abortion, but I respect the choices of others)

[colton]

im done but u read what he said if he said something like ' iraqis deserved to die' everyone would be in uproar, i dont like talkin about all this crap cos i dont know enough to make comments like he did but it seems that on this forum anyone that dosnt think Britain and the USA are war criminals are dismissed as thick racists

Also my opinion on abortions was the same as that bloke i agree that it should be the choice of the people involved!

[BobBong]

I have had to take them twice, in both forms actually. I would rather take a pill than have a child that I can't take care of. (I could not have an abortion, but I respect the choices of others)

now if we could just drill that mentality into .. just about everyone on this planet.. we might get somewhere..

I totally respect a womans choice not to have a child...what i DON'T like however.. is someone saying they'll do the job.. then not doing it, or quitting half way through...

This planet needs a serious 101 on parenting.

[colton]

Morning after pill
Plan B

It works by releasing a chemical that keeps a woman's eggs from attaching to the uterine wall.(making her start her period) It can be taken up to 72 hours after unprotected sex and is easily gotten from planned parenthood clinics or your regular doctor for about 20$ a pill. One is all you need, however some pharmacies will not stock it so your doctor may have to change the scrip to birth control form. If this happens you take 3 or 4 pills at a time and it works the same. The names for it are morning after pill, or plan b you can order it from those internet pharmacies too.


you can get those pills from the doctor or the family planning clinic they give them out for free

[BobBong]

im done but u read what he said if he said something like ' iraqis deserved to die' everyone would be in uproar, i dont like talkin about all this crap cos i dont know enough to make comments like he did but it seems that on this forum anyone that dosnt think Britain and the USA are war criminals are dismissed as thick racists

Also my opinion on abortions was the same as that bloke i agree that it should be the choice of the people involved!

where did racism come in? wow.. do you have an elephant up your ass to? cause you're pulling alot out of there. i like how you can judge the majority of the members on this site.. in 2 months...

[colton]

ok so u sayin that British intolerance is why we gotted bombed has nothing to do with race?

[BobBong]

You're caucasian are you not?

Do i make any referance to skin colour or race. British intolerance, american intolerance.. ANY intolerance will get you "bombed" or something of the sort.
Race isn't soley based on where you live.. it's based on your physical genetics. never once was I "racist". If you recall (since you're so active and can tell everything about every member) there was an issue about racist comments.. last week.

So yes.. "British intolerance is why you got bombed and has nothing to do with race." just like american intolerance is why 9/11 happened... it goes hand in hand though. They were intolerant of us.. because we were intolerant to them.

[colton]

if 'they' are muslims then their not so tolerant themselves, also my dads mixed race so i consider myself British mixed race and stop goin on about that shit that i know every member bollox i meant in general your so clever surely u knew that or did u mean everyone in Britiain is intolerant

[BobBong]

you're just twisting shit now, i'm done with you.

[amsterdam]

abortion should be immediatly put through the ammendment process,and if it were to pass,be strictly regulated.

[colton]

you're just twisting shit now, i'm done with you.

Thanks i feel so privilaged

[MyAntiDrugIsAmy]

sorry people for all the opinion based questions, schools a bitch.
i was wondering what everybodys views on abortion is, when is a baby technically alive and do you consider it murder if somebody has an abortion?

i think that it should be legal, however right now, it's too easy for someone to get an abortion. if a girl is under 18 she can get an abortion without parental consent, but if that girl wanted to go to the regular doctor, she would have to be 18. Now let's say there was an infection or something that went wrong with the abortion and the girl did need to go to the doctor, she would have to have a parent. i think that it is something serious and the person should be an adult of 18 to make the decision on their own. I think the process should take more paperwork and involve a doctor's referal be it a free walk-in clinic referal or doctor's office refferal, but it should really be regulated a little bit more.

[Melton420]

hate the shit

[daZenfmeister]

7. Fuck any Bible thumper who wants to tell other people they can't get an abortion based on their own religous views. And for their sake, if they ever call me or especially my wife a "baby killer" they better damn well hope their really is a God to save their sorry ass.

That's what I think.



Damn right.

[robert42]

any1 seen freddy got fingered

[BobBong]

any1 seen freddy got fingered

Daddy...would you like some sausage?

[robert42]

LMFAO

:D:D

[mf greg]

Trust me the physcological impact was much more difficult on her then it was on you. As for my view of abortion, I think it's a womans right. No man has the right to tell a woman when and where to make a baby. Personaly I would only have one if I concived in a rape, other then that I couldnt.
By week 3 of your pregancy that baby has a heart beat. I couldnt kill my baby if it had a heart beat.
I know in the state of MI there making women see an ultra sound pic the night before the abortion and sending them home with the pic so they can be sure there sure.

i forgot to mention that this was her fifth abortion, when she told me she wasnt pregnant she acted like it wasnt a big deal what so ever, totally unphased by it.

[Ousted]

I think the process should take more paperwork and involve a doctor's referal be it a free walk-in clinic referal or doctor's office refferal, but it should really be regulated a little bit more.

I dont understand. You think a doc should refer the patient to an abortion clinic? The doc referral is necessary why? You're either pregnant or you're not pregnant, you either want it or you dont, what's to regulate?
Abortion clinics make you go through a process of ultra sound, videos, and counselling before the procedure, and it generally is a 2 day procedure. Forcing a patient to get a referral seems pretty pointless considering the only thing you need to have an abortion is to be in early pregnancy and they can determine that quite quickly at the clinic.


Are people having abortions that were never pregnant in the 1st place or something? I really dont understand whats to regulate.

[ladyM]

I dont even know what a chav is! I thought this thread was on abortion, not hypocricy.
I had an abortion over 20 yrs ago, and every child I have ever looked at has made me wonder what my child would have looked like. It was my choice, and with hindsite, which is always 20/20, I think it was one of the biggest mistake I ever made. The physical pain is minute compared with the psychological and emotional pain that stays with you forever.
The first choice women have is to use birth control, and my biggest regret is that I wasnt on any.

[MyAntiDrugIsAmy]

I dont understand. You think a doc should refer the patient to an abortion clinic? The doc referral is necessary why? You're either pregnant or you're not pregnant, you either want it or you dont, what's to regulate?
Abortion clinics make you go through a process of ultra sound, videos, and counselling before the procedure, and it generally is a 2 day procedure. Forcing a patient to get a referral seems pretty pointless considering the only thing you need to have an abortion is to be in early pregnancy and they can determine that quite quickly at the clinic.


Are people having abortions that were never pregnant in the 1st place or something? I really dont understand whats to regulate.

i may have said that wrong, but i'm too lazy to read back, but what i mean is that if you're under 18 you should have to have a referal, or parent consent before the abortion because otherwise you can't get shit taken care of.

and don't be a fuck face about it. what is being regulated is the fact that a decision like stopping a life is pretty crutial and ppl don't always think of that, some ppl (like some younger girls) see it as a second chance at using birth control cuz they forgot.

[ermitonto]

I think it's up to the mother to choose. And it's not like anti-abortion laws stop abortions, for much the same reason that anti-drug laws don't stop drugs. It just forces those too poor to afford a ticket to a place where it is legal to seek out highly unsafe illegal abortions. I think if a woman chooses to have this done to her, she should have access to a safe and affordable means to do it.

[Mojavpa]

I think as a society we should be concerned by the number of abortions women have, but as ermitonto said it wont be accmoplished by anti-abortion laws but by education-letting women understand the psychological consequences of abortions, letting them know about other options that are available, such as adoption. Also, access to birth control is especially important, and because pre-marital sex is still considered taboo, women are relectant to talk to their doctors or parents about birth control methods. But I also think we should emphasize that people should wait before having sex until they are financially secure and in monogamous relationships and just able to take on the responsibility of having children.

[Ousted]

i may have said that wrong, but i'm too lazy to read back, but what i mean is that if you're under 18 you should have to have a referal, or parent consent before the abortion because otherwise you can't get shit taken care of.

and don't be a fuck face about it. what is being regulated is the fact that a decision like stopping a life is pretty crutial and ppl don't always think of that, some ppl (like some younger girls) see it as a second chance at using birth control cuz they forgot.

From what I understand they do require parental consent if a person is under 18. But there are ways around that, Im sure, and girls that are willing to get the procedure so their parents dont find out they are sexually active are probably the same girls who will go to a clinic with fake information in order to get the procedure done. But I see your point.

But its all a matter of opinion as far as whether its a life or not, and whether the decision to have one is crucial or not. Thats not for the government to decide or regulate, IMO.

And another thing (not trying to be a fuckface as you so eloquently put it, but...) an abortion isnt exactly a pleasant or inexpensive procedure. So forgive me when I say that it really bugs me when people make uneducated generalizations like "girls use it as a means of birth control". They'd have to be really stupid morbid girls who get off on draining their bank account, time, and physical well-being if thats their thinking, and if there are girls like that out there, Im pretty sure they're in a very small minority, and are not worth changing the system entirely just cause they're fucked up in the head.

[NightProwler]

too many damn people in this world. i say, kill those damn fetusus.
sorry i didnt read the original post or any of the others.

[Ousted]

too many damn people in this world. i say, kill those damn fetusus.
sorry i didnt read the original post or any of the others.

Actually, even in your few words and probable sarcasm/humor, you made a really good point.

Pro-life sounds nice and sunshiny love-dovy and all that, but its unrealistic, and would have a negative result...as it once did. I would be blown away by the logic if the government ever did criminalize abortion in my lifetime.

[BobBong]

The world's population has more than doubled since 1950.. think about that one

[ermitonto]

But like all species that get out of hand, Mother Nature has a little surprise in store for us...
http://dieoff.org

[tylerkane]

I wonder what Partyguy's view on abortion is, as he is a abortion survivor.

[MyAntiDrugIsAmy]

From what I understand they do require parental consent if a person is under 18. But there are ways around that, Im sure, and girls that are willing to get the procedure so their parents dont find out they are sexually active are probably the same girls who will go to a clinic with fake information in order to get the procedure done. But I see your point.

But its all a matter of opinion as far as whether its a life or not, and whether the decision to have one is crucial or not. Thats not for the government to decide or regulate, IMO.

And another thing (not trying to be a fuckface as you so eloquently put it, but...) an abortion isnt exactly a pleasant or inexpensive procedure. So forgive me when I say that it really bugs me when people make uneducated generalizations like "girls use it as a means of birth control". They'd have to be really stupid morbid girls who get off on draining their bank account, time, and physical well-being if thats their thinking, and if there are girls like that out there, Im pretty sure they're in a very small minority, and are not worth changing the system entirely just cause they're fucked up in the head.

i know, most girls aren't like that and don't do it. but the rich girls who fit into the picture perfect upper class whose daddys spoil them... those girls have access to a lot of money... i knew a couple of ppl like that

ps..
you weren't being a fuckface there...

[NowhereMan]

its legal murder

unless done for health reasons i cant see it anything but killing a innocent life to not be a parent,its a chicken shit thing to do

given some them kids would be better off dead considering who mommy and daddy is,and how the state is fucking joke when they need help

but it is still taking a life that did nothing.

[NightProwler]

have you people ever wondered, if it were possible to grow babys on trees, the USA would most likely grow as many as possible as fast as possible. they would probibily say its inhumane to not create a human life when its so easy and possible. we're fucking retarded. everyone should stop making babys for 10-15 years and let the old people die off. and there should be one baby per household. any others get killed. who gives a fuck? theyre babys.

[Stedric]

But I also think we should emphasize that people should wait before having sex until they are financially secure and in monogamous relationships and just able to take on the responsibility of having children.
I admire your intentions, but as one hormonal teenager who goes to school with 600 other hormonal teenagers every day, I can tell you that will never, EVER work.