911 Meet in NYC Anyone?

[ArtRollins]

Well, yeah, I left my little comfortable farm and am writing this from the den of iniquities, NYC. I have been shipped in here to help with the release of the most amazing video evidence of "and now for something entirely different" about 911. http://www.911eyewitness.com

I am in utter amazement that I left my liberty and freedoms behind at the farm. I already miss my daily ounce of prime squeeze, and am able to only smoke the crap morroccan hash I brought in with me. Sucks.

Anyway, being here in the corporate boundaries under laws that are so restictive is really bothersome. So if any brothers or sisters are about in NYC to aid this humble patriot while in the land of no legal bud, talk to me.

I am here to help with the march on Sunday from NY Times to the UN. Starts at 1pm at NY Times building and by 4 the rally, bands and good times at the UN. As you know the UN is the unelected lawmakers for the world and wage the biggest war on cannabis. I will speak on this there.

News of the events MIGHT be carried by http://www.onlinetv.com/nuke but I have to fight with the owner as he does not want that site to become political.

So, sorry, the pictures of how to clean your grinder for ten cents, and your bong for the same and the review on the new vaporizor will wait for a week. I will try and get on here when I can. I am using FREE WIFI. NYC is full of them. so many people with unprotected access I have yet to no open my computer up and connect. Amazing.

Well smoke em if you gottem.

[Torog]

Howdy Art,

Yup...this will be a very busy weekend,for my fellow freepers,they will be out in force,countering the anti-war rallies..be sure and say howdy ! to some of em for me..I'd be much obliged..as I'm too poor to attend.

Btw,are you paying for your expenses..or are the commie and socialist parties of America paying ? CodePink and MoveOn,both paid for many of the protestors that were in Crawford..I'm just curious....

Have a good one !

[ArtRollins]

Agents like you are the scourge of freedom and Liberty. Pretending patriotism while sucking the life from freedom and liberty. Selling your police state as "the American Way" is perpetuating the slavery of my country. When the patriots rise to take back the American Republic for the mis information specialist infiltratiing places like Cannabis.com like you it disgusts me. You will lose my friend, your days are numbered. Your one world order is doomed.

Obfuscation of the issues thought the mis use of terms like Communism is an often-used ploy, as you are trying to do now. But as one of the many Real American patriots to restore the Republic, we laugh at your imbecilic banter. You donâ??t fool me; you donâ??t fool anyone but the fools.

The real pity is you are nothing but a paid agent sitting here to scan and push your poison. You and your buddy Amsterdam, is he you or just your working partner? Many of the stonerâ??s here cant figure out how the hell you fit in, I will be here now to point the way. You do not have your free way here any longer. Go tell your keeper that a real American is here to screw your lines.

I know you; I know whom you work for. I would offer you lessons in the Constitution and the Republic, along with inalienable rights. But I think you are more concerned with Democracy, rule of law and subjugation of the masses, so to me you are a fucking asshole loser. But freedom dictates that you are at liberty to be the biggest asshole in the world as long as you do not harm others. So watch what you say you fascist pig, if I see your friends I will most certainly debate them to the floor where they will go off whimpering with their tails between their legs as I always do.

Bring on a fact, stop the innuendo. You are a fucking pig that takes facts and twists them like a tropical storm does a tree. You will be felled as those trees in the winds of change that will take back the country, take back the land, repudiate all debt and restore the Republic.

I am sure your handlers have now told you whom I am and what I am about, so calling me communist is like calling me a woman, it just donâ??t fit. So my little fascist piggy, get on with your life and be warned you pedantic behavior must be modified or you are doomed here too.

[Torog]

Agents like you are the scourge of freedom and Liberty. Pretending patriotism while sucking the life from freedom and liberty. Selling your police state as "the American Way" is perpetuating the slavery of my country. When the patriots rise to take back the American Republic for the mis information specialist infiltratiing places like Cannabis.com like you it disgusts me. You will lose my friend, your days are numbered. Your one world order is doomed.

Obfuscation of the issues thought the mis use of terms like Communism is an often-used ploy, as you are trying to do now. But as one of the many Real American patriots to restore the Republic, we laugh at your imbecilic banter. You donâ??t fool me; you donâ??t fool anyone but the fools.

The real pity is you are nothing but a paid agent sitting here to scan and push your poison. You and your buddy Amsterdam, is he you or just your working partner? Many of the stonerâ??s here cant figure out how the hell you fit in, I will be here now to point the way. You do not have your free way here any longer. Go tell your keeper that a real American is here to screw your lines.

I know you; I know whom you work for. I would offer you lessons in the Constitution and the Republic, along with inalienable rights. But I think you are more concerned with Democracy, rule of law and subjugation of the masses, so to me you are a f*cking asshole loser. But freedom dictates that you are at liberty to be the biggest asshole in the world as long as you do not harm others. So watch what you say you fascist pig, if I see your friends I will most certainly debate them to the floor where they will go off whimpering with their tails between their legs as I always do.

Bring on a fact, stop the innuendo. You are a f*cking pig that takes facts and twists them like a tropical storm does a tree. You will be felled as those trees in the winds of change that will take back the country, take back the land, repudiate all debt and restore the Republic.

I am sure your handlers have now told you whom I am and what I am about, so calling me communist is like calling me a woman, it just donâ??t fit. So my little fascist piggy, get on with your life and be warned you pedantic behavior must be modified or you are doomed here too.
Howdy Art,

Well..it seems that I've touched a nerve..I don't know who you are and I ain't asked anyone about you at FR..maybe I should ? Gittin paid for this ? I wish ! I'm too broke to pay attention..I could use the extra money. But they wouldn't have to pay me to stand up for what I believe in. I ain't very welcome at FR,because of my use of marijuana,but there's several of us who fight for it there,anyhow. I came to MariHemp,back in'98,to learn about growing,it wasn't till I learned that the politics forum there was filled with liberals,that I decided to start participating there..so that the young stoners would have a different view on things,like the views of a conservative,old-fashioned values,stoner.

Are you a veteran ? I am..and my core belief,is that all folks deserve freedom..not just the ones who already have it,as many liberals seem to think. How can I believe that you have a shred of patriotism,if you don't believe in freedom for all ? After all,you would prefer that the US don't rock the boat..that we should just let all the brutal dictators have their way..right ?

It's a known fact,that many left-wing org's,are supported by the CPUSA and the SPUSA..I ain't wrong about that. Also,I'm pretty certain,that no freeper has ever been out-debated by a liberal,because the very basis of a liberal argument,is often flawed and illogical. As for amsterdam,I just met him and we do not collaberate on anything..we just happen to agree alot about things. I ain't one to play games or troll..why waste energy on that ?

Like most folks here,you just can't understand how the mind of a Texan works..think pioneer mind-set..for starters..I believe in a Constitutional Republic..and I despise the New World Order and will fight against it. I will also reject the mark of the beast,as well. I also want the amendment back that says those with foreign titles can't hold public office..and I don't care which side of the aisle they are from. There's alot that Bush does that I don't agree with,especially his border policy and immigration policy..that's an issue that I want him to be embarrassed about.

Please,by all means--tell me how I must modify my 'pedantic' behaviour..does it mean losing my freedom of speech ? Is that a fancy way of telling me to shut-up ?

Have a good one ....

[ArtRollins]

You are very ignorant my friend. I have written several books on freedom and liberty. Do you know the definitions? You have no comprehension as your freedom has restrictions. Anything that is restrictive is not free.

I am busy now, or I would pander to your ignorance my friend. Knowledge is important and your hard work at destroying the root needs attention. But today I am off to the NY Times, CNN and the UN to speak on truth and justice. With several 1000 others we will try to get our freedom to get truth.

So my little ignorant piggy friend, hold your panties and I will give you more lessons on freedom. Ok, wait, I think I do have one here, actual definitions:
LIVE AND LEARN MY LITTLE PIGGIE:
FREE. Not bound to servitude; at liberty to act as one pleases. This word is put in opposition to slave.
LIBERTY. Freedom from restraint. The power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, except from the laws of nature.

I am here, risking my freedom in a fascist state where a thing is a crime and my liberty and freedom are at risk because I hold a weed. I risk this to help my people understand that their freedom is gone. They have no liberty of movement without undue risk of search and free speech is curtailed and restricted and no longer conforms to the definition of "free".

I make shit for money as a farmer and I spent a ton to get here to talk to people. You, you pontificate from your little piggy world.

Come on down to the UN, you can meet me, see me play music on stage, come over to the Church at 6pm, Saint Marks Church, everyone knows it. Come on down, I invite you and you are welcome. Want to take me in? Come on down? Want to learn? Come on Down.

I am sure your boss is not going to do that. They have never wanted to make me a poster boy, and I think they told you that. So, yeah, here I am nayahh hahh.

Visit my sites, visit often, watch and learn. http://www.911eyewitness.com

Have a real nice day.

[Torog]

You are very ignorant my friend. I have written several books on freedom and liberty. Do you know the definitions? You have no comprehension as your freedom has restrictions. Anything that is restrictive is not free.

I am busy now, or I would pander to your ignorance my friend. Knowledge is important and your hard work at destroying the root needs attention. But today I am off to the NY Times, CNN and the UN to speak on truth and justice. With several 1000 others we will try to get our freedom to get truth.

So my little ignorant piggy friend, hold your panties and I will give you more lessons on freedom. Ok, wait, I think I do have one here, actual definitions:
LIVE AND LEARN MY LITTLE PIGGIE:
FREE. Not bound to servitude; at liberty to act as one pleases. This word is put in opposition to slave.
LIBERTY. Freedom from restraint. The power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, except from the laws of nature.

I am here, risking my freedom in a fascist state where a thing is a crime and my liberty and freedom are at risk because I hold a weed. I risk this to help my people understand that their freedom is gone. They have no liberty of movement without undue risk of search and free speech is curtailed and restricted and no longer conforms to the definition of "free".

I make shit for money as a farmer and I spent a ton to get here to talk to people. You, you pontificate from your little piggy world.

Come on down to the UN, you can meet me, see me play music on stage, come over to the Church at 6pm, Saint Marks Church, everyone knows it. Come on down, I invite you and you are welcome. Want to take me in? Come on down? Want to learn? Come on Down.

I am sure your boss is not going to do that. They have never wanted to make me a poster boy, and I think they told you that. So, yeah, here I am nayahh hahh.

Visit my sites, visit often, watch and learn. http://www.911eyewitness.com (http://www.911eyewitness.com/)

Have a real nice day.
Howdy Art,

Well..I went to all of the links for your sites. 911eyewitness,looks like a way for you to make money off the act of war,that's referred to as 9/11/01,I went to Online TV and while I was trying to see what it's about,the web page changed and said that the owner of the site,may be trying to sell it,I went to CannabisFarmer,and found that site to be a very recent construction,then I went to MusicTv,and it appears to be a way to download files that violate copyright laws.

I support your right to protest,and some of the things you protest about,I support. I ain't headed over to FreeRepublic yet,to read our after-action reports,but if I find something interesting or a mention of your name,I'll post it here for ya to read.

To be continued....

Have a good one ....

[ArtRollins]

Well my little piggy, you did so well to click the urls. Shows you are at least as good as a monkey.

You say you are vet, but how treating dogs and cats can be of any good in the cannabis freedom movement I still have not figured. But maybe your limited reasoning capacity thought it some value to be a veteran? Like that made you more American than someone else. In fact it only means you are trained to kill and take orders that would conflict with common morality in order to become an efficient war machine. Your brain has been tuned to another world. It is so noticeable in you that your little death piggy boy mentality has not been cared for to reenter the world.

So for you, little sick piggy, I met with my friend General Bowman of the US Army at the pentagon (you can look him up too little piggy) about America and the enemies it faces. We met in the afternoon at the UN. After we made speeches to the press we moved along with our police escorts down to the church at Saint Marks where we talked and took questions from a wonderful crowd of Americans. These were such beautiful and warm people, real Americans. The kind that want military men like General Bowman to keep control of the military they established to secure them from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. The General assures me that the military is well aware of the enemy within from the White House to their own Pentagon. As they, the military, reach out to the people, as they did yesterday, to seek the will of the people.

This General, my little piggy boy, was not there to pound home idiotic ideals of a warped sense of patriotism based on blindly following the â??rule of lawâ?� he was there to let the American patriots know that the military is working with the people and is aware of the problems.

It is so sweet of you to assume so many things about me, to label me in your categorical manner, little piggy boy. But none of them fit, as I am an American and you do not know what that is. I donâ??t fit the blind fascism you are proffering or an insidious socialist/communist. In fact, I am an American Constitutionalist and probably would fit a conservative more than anything else in that aspect.

I am quite wealthy and money never concerns me. My wealth is in a great life of freedom and liberty I lead despite the efforts of countries to curtail it. I travel and demand it, and it is returned. Anyone can do it. As so many shocked people watched me yesterday I rolled and smoked joints all day. Surrounded by police, fearlessly expressing my freedom under the Constitution to Liberty. I am happy to report today no one bothered me in the least.

Your reason for expressing how much my friend makes in releasing his tapes is very telling little piggy. You want to discredit by profit incentive before any knowledge is presented. Do you kill before asking questions too? It shows a profound ignorance and attack without the proper knowledge, research or backing. You are they; you love to make a statement based on your fantasy rather than any fact. You do not have that depth of humanity that could understand someone that gives because he cares without worrying for payback.

You went to the site I work for and never read the page. It is obvious you went to the home page and only saw what is there for ignorant people. EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS FOR SALE. But you donâ??t get that do you? Now you may go back and find the site. Nothing worth is easy.

In the end of this I can only hope that you might want to learn and grow rather than stagnate as you are. You are not a stoner; you do not even belong here. This type of message need not be expressed to anyone who was a stoner; they have already seen the program and broke with it. The worse problem I have with stoners is to break them of your program to save the world. I think the world is sick already of the corporate United States trying to inject by force their ideal of Mobocracy (no it is not misspelled) on the world. The General, the people, and I all want the American Democracy restored, and the corporate empire dismantled.

Now go back to your handlers and ask them what to do next.

[somebody someone]

wow, should i be too scared to post in this thread? big guns..

Art i think you just need some bud to chill

[Torog]

Well my little piggy, you did so well to click the urls. Shows you are at least as good as a monkey.

You say you are vet, but how treating dogs and cats can be of any good in the cannabis freedom movement I still have not figured. But maybe your limited reasoning capacity thought it some value to be a veteran? Like that made you more American than someone else. In fact it only means you are trained to kill and take orders that would conflict with common morality in order to become an efficient war machine. Your brain has been tuned to another world. It is so noticeable in you that your little death piggy boy mentality has not been cared for to reenter the world.

So for you, little sick piggy, I met with my friend General Bowman of the US Army at the pentagon (you can look him up too little piggy) about America and the enemies it faces. We met in the afternoon at the UN. After we made speeches to the press we moved along with our police escorts down to the church at Saint Marks where we talked and took questions from a wonderful crowd of Americans. These were such beautiful and warm people, real Americans. The kind that want military men like General Bowman to keep control of the military they established to secure them from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. The General assures me that the military is well aware of the enemy within from the White House to their own Pentagon. As they, the military, reach out to the people, as they did yesterday, to seek the will of the people.

This General, my little piggy boy, was not there to pound home idiotic ideals of a warped sense of patriotism based on blindly following the â??rule of lawâ?� he was there to let the American patriots know that the military is working with the people and is aware of the problems.

It is so sweet of you to assume so many things about me, to label me in your categorical manner, little piggy boy. But none of them fit, as I am an American and you do not know what that is. I donâ??t fit the blind fascism you are proffering or an insidious socialist/communist. In fact, I am an American Constitutionalist and probably would fit a conservative more than anything else in that aspect.

I am quite wealthy and money never concerns me. My wealth is in a great life of freedom and liberty I lead despite the efforts of countries to curtail it. I travel and demand it, and it is returned. Anyone can do it. As so many shocked people watched me yesterday I rolled and smoked joints all day. Surrounded by police, fearlessly expressing my freedom under the Constitution to Liberty. I am happy to report today no one bothered me in the least.

Your reason for expressing how much my friend makes in releasing his tapes is very telling little piggy. You want to discredit by profit incentive before any knowledge is presented. Do you kill before asking questions too? It shows a profound ignorance and attack without the proper knowledge, research or backing. You are they; you love to make a statement based on your fantasy rather than any fact. You do not have that depth of humanity that could understand someone that gives because he cares without worrying for payback.

You went to the site I work for and never read the page. It is obvious you went to the home page and only saw what is there for ignorant people. EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS FOR SALE. But you donâ??t get that do you? Now you may go back and find the site. Nothing worth is easy.

In the end of this I can only hope that you might want to learn and grow rather than stagnate as you are. You are not a stoner; you do not even belong here. This type of message need not be expressed to anyone who was a stoner; they have already seen the program and broke with it. The worse problem I have with stoners is to break them of your program to save the world. I think the world is sick already of the corporate United States trying to inject by force their ideal of Mobocracy (no it is not misspelled) on the world. The General, the people, and I all want the American Democracy restored, and the corporate empire dismantled.

Now go back to your handlers and ask them what to do next.
Howdy Art,

Well daggum..you're a kinda strange feller..it seems that we both want a Constitutional Republic,but then you start talking like a liberal nut. As for General Bowman,I'll have to check him out,like you say. I'm glad that you believe that socialism and communism is insidious,because it is truly insidious,as well as royalty.

So..yer wealthy..is that because of the opportunities that America has given you ? Are you a self-made man ? Or were you born with a silver-spoon in yer mouth ? I just don't see how you can expect to connect with the average person,if you have never struggled to put food on the table or a roof over your familiy's heads..do you have a family ? I've worked dang hard..all my life,to git what I need and want and to provide for my family..have you ever done a honest day's work with your hands ? It must be nice,to always have bail money handy. I'm glad that ya smoked some doobies,by all means,since you can afford bail..do it everytime ya git a chance.

I saw the attempt to make money off 9/11/01,as being similar to murderers writing a book in prison and gittin money for their crimes..it kinda stinks ..don't ya think ? Do any of the profits go towards the victims of 9/11/01 and their families ? Btw,I give aid,comfort and food,to several elderly folks that I know..without ever once-expecting to be paid back..the reward is in giving.

I've been toking since '72..if I ain't a stoner..then no one is..believe it or not,there many conservative,old-fashioned values, stoners here in the South,are you saying that none of us are stoners because we ain't tree-hugging,sap-sucking,bleeding-heart liberals ? That smacks of bigotry to me.

It seems that one can only be a stoner,if they conform to what your idea of a stoner is..I would think that you would want to be more inclusive to those who have a different lifestyle and culture,such as us Southern stoners.

Have a good one ....

[ArtRollins]

OK, now I get your piggy talk.

Look, get this. I understand why the south was right. Do you?

It looks like you may have some edges of the box, but you are dealing with one outside the box. You will never get me in your boxes bud.

But, just because you are a southern toker I am going to work with you. So take this and start to suck it in, cause I know more about the Confederacy than you might ever. My eyes have seen the letters and the writings on the wall, I have studied to understand.

And here is what I will give you first. Presentation my friend. Your presentation sucks. While you are free to hate whomever you wish, tree hugger or not, your myopic vision doing this cuts off a fellow American we need in the struggle. In the end, the tree hugger must be free to hug their tree or the Republic has failed its people as well.

I fail to see the reason you embrace the oil cartels when you are a stoner. You show an ignorance of the real cause of the illegality of cannabis. Hardships are due no matter, to turn to the biomass is imperative and cannabis is the number one biomass. I ask if you understand the potential beyond the THC component of the plant?

Lastly, at least now, your going on about support of the troops is mis-used, as the taped interview with the General will show. The troops need support, but the support is not what you are talking about. I should beg you to wait till I return to Europe and encode for the net that interview and I will get it on one of the sites I work on. You do not need to serve in the military to care and or understand. We cannot wake the ignorant with a beating, the education system has so screwed their heads it takes time and care to break the constant lies that become true.

Again, the sad thing about the civil war is that the wrong side won. And this is not about RACE! It is about STATES RIGHTS. So if you DO understand this, you will know you better try to figure out what I am saying because it is important and it is for the Republic.

You got to start accepting all Americans, the tree whiner piggies too. They are really nice people and they are not there to harm anyone. You have to start to understand how we got addicted and fucked with oil and see how we can get OUT of that. Estimates are 10 years to get into gear, and we need to start.

By the way, I started as a truck diver at 14 in Chicago and worked up to the steel mills in Indiana. I left home at 16 and never looked back. I smoked more years than most people have lived and been to 102 countries as of 1975 when I stopped counting. I speak 5 languages and have no education. I love America. I live in Europe as a sovereign American in residence until the Republic is restored. My wealth at this time is so vast I cannot count it, yet it was not much less as I slept in poverty, rats nesting in my hair, in New Dehli awaiting the train to Manali in 1970.

My happiness only held back for the fate of my fellow Americans.

May they all smoke the best bud.

[Torog]

OK, now I get your piggy talk.

Look, get this. I understand why the south was right. Do you?

It looks like you may have some edges of the box, but you are dealing with one outside the box. You will never get me in your boxes bud.

But, just because you are a southern toker I am going to work with you. So take this and start to suck it in, cause I know more about the Confederacy than you might ever. My eyes have seen the letters and the writings on the wall, I have studied to understand.

And here is what I will give you first. Presentation my friend. Your presentation sucks. While you are free to hate whomever you wish, tree hugger or not, your myopic vision doing this cuts off a fellow American we need in the struggle. In the end, the tree hugger must be free to hug their tree or the Republic has failed its people as well.

I fail to see the reason you embrace the oil cartels when you are a stoner. You show an ignorance of the real cause of the illegality of cannabis. Hardships are due no matter, to turn to the biomass is imperative and cannabis is the number one biomass. I ask if you understand the potential beyond the THC component of the plant?

Lastly, at least now, your going on about support of the troops is mis-used, as the taped interview with the General will show. The troops need support, but the support is not what you are talking about. I should beg you to wait till I return to Europe and encode for the net that interview and I will get it on one of the sites I work on. You do not need to serve in the military to care and or understand. We cannot wake the ignorant with a beating, the education system has so screwed their heads it takes time and care to break the constant lies that become true.

Again, the sad thing about the civil war is that the wrong side won. And this is not about RACE! It is about STATES RIGHTS. So if you DO understand this, you will know you better try to figure out what I am saying because it is important and it is for the Republic.

You got to start accepting all Americans, the tree whiner piggies too. They are really nice people and they are not there to harm anyone. You have to start to understand how we got addicted and f*cked with oil and see how we can get OUT of that. Estimates are 10 years to get into gear, and we need to start.

By the way, I started as a truck diver at 14 in Chicago and worked up to the steel mills in Indiana. I left home at 16 and never looked back. I smoked more years than most people have lived and been to 102 countries as of 1975 when I stopped counting. I speak 5 languages and have no education. I love America. I live in Europe as a sovereign American in residence until the Republic is restored. My wealth at this time is so vast I cannot count it, yet it was not much less as I slept in poverty, rats nesting in my hair, in New Dehli awaiting the train to Manali in 1970.

My happiness only held back for the fate of my fellow Americans.

May they all smoke the best bud.
Howdy Art,

Well thanx for your response..but if you want any respect from me or others,yer gonna have to stop calling me and other folks,piggys. I don't go around calling gay folks fags-because it's childish to demean others that way and accomplishes nothing but hurt feelings and there can't be any true discouse in such a situation. It also leaves a bad taste in my mouth,when folks go around bragging about themselves and such,I believe that humility is one of the most desirable virtues.

Yup..I know all about why the wrong side won in the Civil War,the federalists took over and things have gone down-hill since. The recent ruling in the Supreme Court against medical marijuana,using the Commerce clause,is a good example of the erosion of State's rights.

I also know full well,how hemp can be used as food,fuel and fiber,and the importance of bio-mass fuels..just yesterday I watched a tidbit in the news,with Willie Nelson showing off his fancy,bio-diesel powered bus. I also realize the pharmaceutical industry is doing their dangdest to stop medical marijuana,until they can figure out a way to control all the profits on it,however,the petro-chemical industry will always be opposed to hemp as a bio-mass,as well as the logging and paper industry. I used to roughneck in the Texas oilfields,and I'm dang proud of the good work we did,and the way we protecte the enviroment,while we were drilling. Domestic oil and gas extraction,is critical to improve our national security at this time,as well as additional refining capacity. That can be improved with the increasing use of bio-mass fuels,but until then,we have to act for our security.

Until I know more about what General Bowman said,I'll have to reserve my opinion on that. Now the,I'd like to know why you think that my support of the troops is wrong..I don't see anything wrong with sending things that they can use to make their lives a little more bearable in the war-zone. I also support their mission of freedom for all..do you not ? Do you think it's okay to allow brutal regimes and goverments,to git away with their brutal oppression ? Why should the Free World,put up with it any longer ? I cannot be satisfied with my life,knowing that there are many who are suffering at the hands of terrorists and brutal dictators..can you ?

I realize,that America needs the tree-hugger types,but they have little common sense,when it comes to conservation..and their actions are influenced by political bias and hatred. True conservation,seeks a balance with all aspects between Man and Nature...rather than simply banning Man from Nature,we need to find ways to co-exist.

Well..I'm glad to hear that for a part of your life,you had to work hard like the rest of us folks out here in the hinterland(fly-over country). I too,left home at 16 and enlisted in the Navy,at 17..because I felt the call to serve my country,like many in my family before me. So..when you speak of wealth,is it a rehtorical wealth,or real wealth ? My gal and I,share a love,that makes us the wealthiest folks in the world,in my estimation,in which case..I could be much more wealthier than you can imagine or concieve. Has your 'wealth',turned you into an aloof snob ? It kinda seems that way,when you refer to yer fellow humans,as 'piggys'.

Have a good one ...

[cheenyc13]

Yeah torog he speaks of freedom and liberty just so long as you plunk 19.95 for his dvd.
it's like a little clut.

Eazy to say do when you live on the farm and not in (in the corporate boundaries under laws that are so restictive is really bothersome) NYC.
(corporate boundaries ) 19.95 for the dvd

[ArtRollins]

Yeah Torog, you see what real wealth is but think no others have it but you? How nice of you.

The support of troops is how you approach it. I am still waiting for the damn tapes to encode for the net on the General. Please hold on, it will be something you will appreciate.

[ArtRollins]

Yeah torog he speaks of freedom and liberty just so long as you plunk 19.95 for his dvd.
it's like a little clut.

Eazy to say do when you live on the farm and not in (in the corporate boundaries under laws that are so restictive is really bothersome) NYC.
(corporate boundaries ) 19.95 for the dvd

Jeeze what a little whiner boy you are. You want a DVD for FREE? What are you some deviant from the KGB? Why not get a copy from someone or go to a showing? There is no protection on it. Are you such a dork you think DVD's are free and someone should copy and mail it to you cause you are just so cool? I did not find the "free dvd shop" in my hood bro!

You are a real card! Come out and live on the farm, no one forces you to live in a city piled up on one another.

[ArtRollins]

I think you guys are a bit confused here in that I have nothing to do with the DVD other than work for the website of the owner of that video and am active in 911 truth. I not only get nothing from its sales, if google does not put the onlinetv.com sites back on their engine I wont be earning my own keep from them.
I do know the company that produces these DVDs in Japan, and have heard of the guys that distribute on the West coast, but as I said, they are adamant to make no copy protection and charge only if you want a personal copy sent in the mail, hard copy. So, you want to ream them because they can't afford to buy a DVD for you, sit for an hour and burn it, put it in a wraper and pay to mail it to you? Why cant you do that service then? It says on this dvd no commercial use, so you can make all the free ones you want to send to everyone. Get on it big boy. Put up or shut up.

[Torog]

Yeah Torog, you see what real wealth is but think no others have it but you? How nice of you.

The support of troops is how you approach it. I am still waiting for the damn tapes to encode for the net on the General. Please hold on, it will be something you will appreciate.
Howdy Art,

I know that others have 'true wealth'..and I wish that everyone could have that 'true wealth'. My landlord,had that true wealth,till his wife,best friend and lover,died this year. His loss..hit me hard as well,his wife and my gal and I,were good friends..my gal and I,realized just how precious that kind of a bond is and how much we should appreciate what we have..every minute of every day.

Yup..I want everyone to be as blessed as my gal and I..even more so.

I look forward to the data on the general.

Have a good one ...

[cheenyc13]

Hey bro sorry if you think different this is just my opinion
as Americans we all should have one .
I judge a man on his character not his political believes.
i do not trust the word of a person when they stand to make
financial gain.
this I just me and my opinion.
I'll never judge a person till I walk in their shoes.....

[pisshead]

i wish i could be there...9/11 was certainly an inside job...too much to go into here in this post, but i've made plenty of posts about it...

[ArtRollins]

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[ArtRollins]

i wish i could be there...9/11 was certainly an inside job...too much to go into here in this post, but i've made plenty of posts about it...

You would have had a great time. No, these are the guys ragging because the boss took us all there to release the OnlineTV footage. They think the world owes them a free DVD so I am trying to tell them to get a job.

Anyway, the site for the activities is http://www.911truth.org and the film is at http://www.911eyewitness.com and that site should start to have a blog and forum soon to help out. As it says here, they want you to copy it, and it is all over the US now, if you want an original you have to buy it. The compressed files have been out for a while, but the company doing the work has control of it. If you are in a major city you can hook up with a copy I am sure through the 911 truth org.

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[bigel]

art....what do you do on your farm..and what makes you so much money??

[dirty raider]

Hey Torog, can I ask how what you see the word liberal to mean, why is it so dirty?

Secondly let me commend you for you politeness on these boards, although I tend to disagree with alot of what you say, I like how all your points are made respectfully.

[Caruso329]

Should I even bother reading that? It looks like a pretty good argument.

[cheenyc13]

Well to me the world liberal is a bit different. I live in nyc. hear we have what you call limousine liberals.
chick that married rich corporate lawyers and business men that fuck people out of money for a living so they think if they vote dem it makes up for it.
they treat middle class and working class like shit.
but if they sigh a bill to give more to the poor it makes them liberal. nice people.
the ones that put a ban on smoking in bars in nyc.
the ones that bitch when a bar opens on their block.
the ones that call the cops when people sit on their stairs
the ones that drive suv in new york city.
I don't know what happened to liberals they want to put so many labels and laws on things. how can you call yourself liberal when all you do is bitch and wine whine you don't get your way ? I don't get it .
but I guess a lot of people don't get it "hints" 8 years of bush "hints" I live in the most liberal city in the world and we are about to go 16 years with a republican mayor go figure.
as far as 9-11 you just have to be a complete brainwashed ass to think it was a inside job....liberals are starting to seem like Nazis to me. it's become a cult not a party......

[pisshead]

i'm not a liberal...i'm not a conservative...

you have to be a complete brainwashed ass to think there are only liberals and conservatives, democrats and republicans...only 2 sides, who offer the same thing...and to think that the 19 freedom hating muslim conspiracy theory explains all of the aspects of 9/11...impossible.

[mikeandjenherbals]

I was okay untill tree hugger came into the thread, just because y'all havent gotten the message there yet, I will refrain from a six paragraph post filled with so much crap some poor stoner will start reading and completely forget what the thread was about, because the rain of abuse was so cold and brutal, okay, gravity = fact
intelligent falling(secular arguement for gravity, believe jesus is pushing) = fiction
global warming = fact

[Torog]

Hey Torog, can I ask how what you see the word liberal to mean, why is it so dirty?

Secondly let me commend you for you politeness on these boards, although I tend to disagree with alot of what you say, I like how all your points are made respectfully.
Howdy dirty raider,

Thanx for yer kind words.:)

Boy howdy,I could go on at great length about liberals. Pre 60's liberals,were more pro-American,but then modern liberalism,began to raise it's ugly,politically-correct head,aided and abbetted by the CPUSA and the SPUSA(commie and socialist parties of the USA),and they saw an opportunity to begin re-writing history books and civic books,ignoring facts and replacing them with emotionally charged,political agenda's instead. For instance,I was appalled to see how the topic of slavery,during the Civil war,was the main focus for that period,and that raw facts were being ignored and that it was written to reflect a politically-correct viewpoint,that led the children into believeing that they were somehow responsible for the slavery in America,whether they were or not..the issue of States Rights,was being ignored.

Today's liberals,have become self-centered,self-absorbed and are greatly lacking in common sense,as well as little gratefulness for their many blessings..many have become slaves to their own wants and whims..and they wake each day,wondering what will their country do for them,rather than what will they do for their country. They cling selfishly to their own freedoms,hard-fought for,and deny those freedoms to others,especially if it means confronting Evil. They often loathe the military and their hatred for America,knows no bounds..they expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter,with little or no sacrifice involved,on their part. They support abortion-on-demand,because it's a convenient tool,that supports their debaucherous life-styles. Good character,is considered a flaw and a detriment to the advancement of one's wants. A belief in God,is often looked down upon and is considered an excuse to 'stop thinking',when in fact,it requires more thought to reconcile the secular world and the religious world.

Well..like I said,I could go on and on,but I've probably already said too much..lol.

Have a good one ....

[dirty raider]

Well I agree with you on some points, I would describe myself as a liberal but I think some of the things you mentioned aren't really liberal ideals. I really can't stand alot of the PC bullcrap around at the moment. People have a right to not be discriminated against but some things take it too far such as positive discrimination (where a certain percentage of jobs are allocated to certain ethnic groups to fill quotas), and for example where some schools were banned to put Christmas cards up in case they offended other religious groups.

To me the term liberal is simply the idea of tolerance, by no means does it mean taking the soft option on say criminals or generally being weak and trying to please all. Its just the belief that people in general if taught and brought up properly can often "police" themselves. Maximum freedom, minimum Government but a strong Government who will step in when needed with decisive measures.

[mikeandjenherbals]

Don't discriminate, hate all politicians equally, http://www.subservientchicken.com/
I'm voting for the chicken

[pisshead]

Howdy dirty raider,

Thanx for yer kind words.:)

Boy howdy,I could go on at great length about liberals. Pre 60's liberals,were more pro-American,but then modern liberalism,began to raise it's ugly,politically-correct head,aided and abbetted by the CPUSA and the SPUSA(commie and socialist parties of the USA),and they saw an opportunity to begin re-writing history books and civic books,ignoring facts and replacing them with emotionally charged,political agenda's instead. For instance,I was appalled to see how the topic of slavery,during the Civil war,was the main focus for that period,and that raw facts were being ignored and that it was written to reflect a politically-correct viewpoint,that led the children into believeing that they were somehow responsible for the slavery in America,whether they were or not..the issue of States Rights,was being ignored.

Today's liberals,have become self-centered,self-absorbed and are greatly lacking in common sense,as well as little gratefulness for their many blessings..many have become slaves to their own wants and whims..and they wake each day,wondering what will their country do for them,rather than what will they do for their country. They cling selfishly to their own freedoms,hard-fought for,and deny those freedoms to others,especially if it means confronting Evil. They often loathe the military and their hatred for America,knows no bounds..they expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter,with little or no sacrifice involved,on their part. They support abortion-on-demand,because it's a convenient tool,that supports their debaucherous life-styles. Good character,is considered a flaw and a detriment to the advancement of one's wants. A belief in God,is often looked down upon and is considered an excuse to 'stop thinking',when in fact,it requires more thought to reconcile the secular world and the religious world.

Well..like I said,I could go on and on,but I've probably already said too much..lol.

Have a good one ....
you just described both political parties...they are the same...george w. bush is incredibly liberal...if bill clinton was a liberal, then george w. bush makes clinton look conservative...

[cheenyc13]

Well i'm not liberal or conservative, democrat or republican .so i belive more then just 2 sides.

Nor do i belive the 19 freedom hating muslim conspiracy theory explains all of the aspects of 9/11.
but to think it was an inside job is a little much.
could it have been prevented i think so but did our goverment cause it.... i think not.

[TonyD]

A fool is a person who makes his mind up before the issue is even discussed.