West Bank

[Mojavpa]

With all the attention given to the settlers who are being forced to leave the Gaza Strip, the pro-Zionist media has become silent on the issue of the West Bank, obviously because Israel is going to tighten its hold on that illegally occuplied territory to appease the conservatives who were reluctant to give away the Gaza Strip. And get this, the settlers who left the Gaza Strip were more than compensated, each family is receiving 200,000 to 500,000 dollars for new homes. On top of that, more settlers are pouring into the West Bank.


http://www.counterpunch.org/bisharat08272005.html

[Tholiak]

illegaly occupied? Come on you leftist freak...Remember the 6 day war when Israel wooped some muslim ass?

[ermitonto]

Just because an army takes over a territory does not make the occupation legitimate. By your logic, Hitler's invasion of Poland would have been perfectly legitimate, because he "wooped some jewish ass".

[Psycho4Bud]

Take a look at the maps and tell me that Israel should give up this land, their sitting on a sliver of a country surrounded by hostiles the way it is. In their shoes, I would'nt give up shit!!!

[ermitonto]

Now tell the Palestinians (the vast majority of whom are NOT terrorists but just regular people trying to get on with their daily lives) that their nation does not deserve any land at all, because the invaders feel like having it instead.

[Psycho4Bud]

Now tell the Palestinians (the vast majority of whom are NOT terrorists but just regular people trying to get on with their daily lives) that their nation does not deserve any land at all, because the invaders feel like having it instead.

I take it that Jordan has already agreed to give the Palistinians Jordanian land.

June 5-11,1967 6-day war. Israel destroys the Egyptian air force on the ground, conquers and occupies Sinai and Gaza, then conquers the West Bank from Jordan, and Golan Heights from Syria. UN resolution 242 called for Israeli withdrawal, establishment of peace.
http://www.mideastweb.org/timeline.htm

Hey looky at that....Gaza should be going back to Egypt!!!

[ermitonto]

Well officially, I'm against all national boundaries since they're just arbitrary lines used to divide people between subservience to particular groups of masters. But if you'll go back a couple decades earlier than that, to 1946, you'll find out that both the Gaza Strip and West Bank were part of the British Mandate of Palestine.
http://www.factsofisrael.com/en/maps/pal1946.jpg

[Psycho4Bud]

Yah and if ya go back further it was Roman and so on and so forth. Fact is that whole area is an ancient battle ground for conquerors. So who's the shit of the day today?

[ermitonto]

You seem to have the right idea. Everybody who's ever owned that territory throughout written history has been a conqueror. So why support one conqueror over another? We should support every community and every individual's right to make the decisions that affect their lives, without subservience to those who wish to conquer and control others.

[F L E S H]

Game set match Ermitonto. I love tennis!

[Psycho4Bud]

You seem to have the right idea. Everybody who's ever owned that territory throughout written history has been a conqueror. So why support one conqueror over another? We should support every community and every individual's right to make the decisions that affect their lives, without subservience to those who wish to conquer and control others.

I personally don't support either side. But I'm just saying, the country isn't all that big, if I were in their shoes I wouldn't give up any more than I had to.

[Psycho4Bud]

Game set match Ermitonto. I love tennis!

Just as insightful as ever....what was the topic again??? :D


BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :D

[HalfBakedPrince]

Since Irwin "Capo Canuck" Cotler's a Jew, all I can say is "Go Palestine!"

[HalfBakedPrince]

double post. Sorry.

[Mojavpa]

You seem to have the right idea. Everybody who's ever owned that territory throughout written history has been a conqueror. So why support one conqueror over another? We should support every community and every individual's right to make the decisions that affect their lives, without subservience to those who wish to conquer and control others.

Its not just about the land, its how Israel treats the Palestinians. Not only do children have to go to school everyday in fear that some Isreali sniper might shoot them, but they're not entitled to the same benefits as Isrealis. They live in ghettos, have their houses demolished, just because they're not Jewish. The number of Palestinian deaths far surpass Isreali deaths, and this is never covered. People rightly criticize muslim countries for following religious laws and discriminating minorities, but what about Isreal??? They say Isreali is a democracy but how can a "jewish state" be a democracy? you either try to perserve the Jewish character of the state or allow equal representation with Palestinians, which would defeat the purpose of a Jewish state. Of course they have no intention of making peace with Palestinians.

[Mojavpa]

Yah and if ya go back further it was Roman and so on and so forth. Fact is that whole area is an ancient battle ground for conquerors. So who's the shit of the day today?

Yes, but in recent history the Palestinians were the majority, and they're homes were taken away and they still are.A good parallel would be the Native Americans having they're land taken away when the Europeans began colonializing America. The American government had no intention of keeping their treaties. Ever heard of manifest destiny?

[nicholasstanko]

With all the attention given to the settlers who are being forced to leave the Gaza Strip, the pro-Zionist media has become silent on the issue of the West Bank, obviously because Israel is going to tighten its hold on that illegally occuplied territory to appease the conservatives who were reluctant to give away the Gaza Strip. And get this, the settlers who left the Gaza Strip were more than compensated, each family is receiving 200,000 to 500,000 dollars for new homes. On top of that, more settlers are pouring into the West Bank.


http://www.counterpunch.org/bisharat08272005.html


dont worry. israel will find a way to eradicate those settlers and claim their land.

think of the 200,000 as an investment...kinda like america sustaining the saddam regime until they were ready to get their oil.

[nicholasstanko]

Just because an army takes over a territory does not make the occupation legitimate. By your logic, Hitler's invasion of Poland would have been perfectly legitimate, because he "wooped some jewish ass".


good point.

[nicholasstanko]

Take a look at the maps and tell me that Israel should give up this land, their sitting on a sliver of a country surrounded by hostiles the way it is. In their shoes, I would'nt give up shit!!!



i always wondered...so how come israel doesnt relocate?


theyve got enough money and resources...the could move to antartica.


mmmm...jewscicles :D



okay, enough assholery. but you gotta admit, theyve got quite an arsenal. and they're encroaching on land that's not their own anyway.

how come they werent resettled back where the israelites originally came from?

[nicholasstanko]

Its not just about the land, its how Israel treats the Palestinians. Not only do children have to go to school everyday in fear that some Isreali sniper might shoot them, but they're not entitled to the same benefits as Isrealis. They live in ghettos, have their houses demolished, just because they're not Jewish. The number of Palestinian deaths far surpass Isreali deaths, and this is never covered. People rightly criticize muslim countries for following religious laws and discriminating minorities, but what about Isreal??? They say Isreali is a democracy but how can a "jewish state" be a democracy? you either try to perserve the Jewish character of the state or allow equal representation with Palestinians, which would defeat the purpose of a Jewish state. Of course they have no intention of making peace with Palestinians.


you'd think that after the holocaust, the jews would be more mindful of opression and the effects of it.

all their doing is fueling some crazy aryans fire about how hitler shouldve been able to finish the job.

[Mojavpa]

i always wondered...so how come israel doesnt relocate?


theyve got enough money and resources...the could move to antartica.


mmmm...jewscicles :D



okay, enough assholery. but you gotta admit, theyve got quite an arsenal. and they're encroaching on land that's not their own anyway.

how come they werent resettled back where the israelites originally came from?

I'm not Jewish, but I think somewhere in the Torah the Jews are supposed to get their "homeland" (Jerusalem) back, but through divine intervention, not by the British empire. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Its interesting to note that after the Holocaust many Jews wanted to come to America, but encountered firece anti semitism from all sectors of society.

[Mojavpa]

you'd think that after the holocaust, the jews would be more mindful of opression and the effects of it.

all their doing is fueling some crazy aryans fire about how hitler shouldve been able to finish the job.


haha. Arent some neo Nazis cooperating with muslim extremists in their common hatred for Jews?

[nicholasstanko]

I'm not Jewish, but I think somewhere in the Torah the Jews are supposed to get their "homeland" (Jerusalem) back, but through divine intervention, not by the British empire. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Its interesting to note that after the Holocaust many Jews wanted to come to America, but encountered firece anti semitism from all sectors of society.


yeh, i recall there being a nazi party uprising in the states...then i think that some resentment still lingered after hitler was defeated.

[Psycho4Bud]

mmmm...jewscicles :D

Jewscicles??? BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! :D

Too fuckin funny!!! This is the first thing that popped into my evil lil' mind...enjoy some Zappa!!!

I want a nasty little
With long phony nails and a hairdo that rinses
A horny little
With a garlic aroma that could level Tacoma
Lonely inside
Well, she can swallow my pride

I want a hairy little
With a brand new nose, who knows where it goes
I want a steamy little
With over-worked gums, who squeaks when she cums
I don't want no troll
I just want a Yemenite hole

I want a darling little
Who don't shit about cooking and is arrogant looking
A vicious little
To specifically happen with a pee-pee that's snappin'
All up inside
I just want a Princess to ride
*Awright, back to the top...everybody twist*

I want a funky little
A grinder; a bumper, with a pre-moistened dumper
A brazen little
With titanic tits, and sand-blasted zits
She can even be poor
So long as she does it with four on the floor
(Vapor-lock)

I want a dainty little
With a couple of sisters who can raise a few blisters
A fragile little
With Roumanian thighs, who weasels 'n' lies
For two or three nights
Won't someone send me a Princess who bites :D
Won't someone send me a Princess who bites :D
Won't someone send me a Princess who bites :D
Won't someone send me a Princess who bites :D

[nicholasstanko]

haha. Arent some neo Nazis cooperating with muslim extremists in their common hatred for Jews?



yep....same principle as the nazis siding with japan.

fundamentally, they should have been "agianst" anyone non-aryan according to hitler's dream.


but the japanese were too stupid to realise that they would have been turned on just like how germany turned on russia.

[HalfBakedPrince]

Every Croat other than Tito's allies was too dumb to realise Hitler's opinion about Slav's.

[andruejaysin]

Clearly Israel should annex the west bank and gaza. I wonder why they don't? Maybe it's because if they did they would be outnumbered, and outvoted (democracy at any cost, remember?) in "their" own country.