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mono repin
09-04-2005, 09:39 AM
Ok, had a long discussion/argument with my dad today about why I shouldn't be smoking. His points were its addictive, it leads to other drugs, and its bad for your brain. When I asked him to elaborate he made some vague references to THC receptors in your brain getting stretched or moved apart. I don't remember his exact wording, but the essence was cannabis after long term use changes your brain resulting in longer distances for information (or possibly neurons) having to travel.

I asked him for research on the subject, but I doubt I will ever get any. However, not wanting to totally brush aside what he said without looking into it, I spent some time searching the net for every kind of brain damage possible from credible and non pro-weed biased research (mostly government). I couldn't find anything on the subject, but I wasn't really sure what I was looking for. Does anyone know what he is referring to or better yet have research proving or disproving what he is saying?

xNoa
09-04-2005, 12:24 PM
i think he is more likely being half serious, by saying that hes just trying to make out smokers are slower then normal people, which in some cases may be true, but its got nothing to do with that shit lol..

lemonboy
09-04-2005, 12:57 PM
Parents love to make up "facts" :)

3 Sheets To The Wind
09-04-2005, 01:03 PM
*Bitch slap*


Believe me, it'll work:)

zarathustra
09-04-2005, 01:20 PM
After long periods of smoking, the brain's chemistry is altered so that it has an immense (compared to average) alpha wave, and these waves in either frontal lobe are synchronized. The observed effect of this is a more relaxed mentality, which is likely what people call permastoned. ISecondly, if smoked at an early age, lets say starting at 14, when the brain reaches full maturity it is usually a feww hundred CCs smaller than average. This has no recorded effect on intelligence, but further experimentation on the matter is currently underway. Thirdly, cannabis is only addicting to about three percent of the population. When ingested, it is relatively quickly absorbed into your t-lymphocyte fat cells, and is slowly released back into your system, like a natural methodone clinic. The people that get addicted are those unlucky enough to have some biological quirk that negates this process. And finally, cannabis has never been linked with serious lung disorders, but it has been noted that exclusive smokers of cannabis' lungs frequently lack cilia, making the lung surface more like the outer skin.

xNoa
09-04-2005, 01:23 PM
After long periods of smoking, the brain's chemistry is altered so that it has an immense (compared to average) alpha wave, and these waves in either frontal lobe are synchronized. The observed effect of this is a more relaxed mentality, which is likely what people call permastoned. ISecondly, if smoked at an early age, lets say starting at 14, when the brain reaches full maturity it is usually a feww hundred CCs smaller than average. This has no recorded effect on intelligence, but further experimentation on the matter is currently underway. Thirdly, cannabis is only addicting to about three percent of the population. When ingested, it is relatively quickly absorbed into your t-lymphocyte fat cells, and is slowly released back into your system, like a natural methodone clinic. The people that get addicted are those unlucky enough to have some biological quirk that negates this process. And finally, cannabis has never been linked with serious lung disorders, but it has been noted that exclusive smokers of cannabis' lungs frequently lack cilia, making the lung surface more like the outer skin.
how interesting, where did you get all this info??

zarathustra
09-04-2005, 01:42 PM
I did a research paper for a class last year comparing and contrasting the short and long term effects of marijuana and LSD. Basically, it came from various medical publications and books on the subject published in 2004.

Warlock
09-04-2005, 02:26 PM
I think he's talking crap. There's no proven evidence that it damages our brain, the only evidence they have of damage is if someone with a family history of mental illnesses smokes a lot he will be more susceptible to it. That's all there is.
Bloody THC receptors lol

Up In Smoke 420
09-04-2005, 02:51 PM
Dont go crazy on him though calling him a liar, cause it seems you guys can have good talks about cannabis without yelling keep it that way and he will respect you. Now spark a bowl

mono repin
09-04-2005, 11:02 PM
Ok, so my parents sent me some research. It's all pro-cannabis. I'm so confused, we had this huge argument last night, my mom was crying and shit, and now they send me info on how cannabis isn't harmful, and even beneficial in several ways. WTF!?!?!? I don't even know how to respond to that... Fuck weed, I want whatever drug they are on. Is this reverse pschology? WTF?

lemonboy
09-04-2005, 11:09 PM
He wasn't talking about brain damage necessarily but changes that take places within the brain after using marijuana for extended periods of time. These changes could be good, bad, or totally imperceptible. I thought it was a good read myself.

likemclever
09-04-2005, 11:18 PM
say to them...I'm MJ is harmful.....explain Willie Nelson....jk.

I don't know what your parents are thinking....maybe they didn't read the stuff they gave you (don't know.)

oncea420alwaysa420
09-04-2005, 11:24 PM
Yes. marijuana has a more psycological addiction rather than a physical addiction. Some people just "enjoy smoking." Yes, there are benefits, cancer grows in an acidic environment (body) and the alkaloids in pot actually slow down the growth of certain typs of lung cancer and kill cancer cells of other types of lung cancer while leaving the healthy non-cancer attacked cells intact. as far as the effects on the brain go, Your dopamine receptors are effected. They get blocked and it basically gives you a calmer state of being. Just like it was stated earlier " your body is like its own methadone clinic" slowly releasing THC that is stored in fat cells. As far as the studies about this long term brain damage goes, there is no evidence that it will effect your brain long term. silia (little micro like hairs in your bronchial tube) are lost by any type of smoke inhalation, this is what causes smokers cough ( constant phlem). intact silia will naturally remove this from your lungs and it is then swallowed. when the silia is lost, it causes us to have a build up of oxygen robbing fluid that make it allowable for cancer to grow. I could keep going on and on but I'll stop here.

lemonboy
09-04-2005, 11:26 PM
Well... that is kind of disturbing. :)

oncea420alwaysa420
09-04-2005, 11:34 PM
Well... that is kind of disturbing. :)
Which part?

lemonboy
09-04-2005, 11:36 PM
The build up of oxygen-robbing fluid leading to cancer. Certainly something to think about.

daZenfmeister
09-04-2005, 11:43 PM
Well think about who hasnt inhaled smoke? I dont know if its just heated smoke, or what but seriously who here has never in their life inhaled smoke? Even indirectly! Ever burn some popcorn and get a big whif of that smoke? Uh oh where did all your cillia go?

oncea420alwaysa420
09-04-2005, 11:49 PM
I was refering to smoke inhalation by being in a house fire, smoking cigs, smoking weed, ect. That would be direct inhalation. I guess large amounts of "popcorn smoke" (guess someone didn't pass Home EC, needless to say biology either) could potentially do the same thing if you smoked your popcorn. And i was also refering to long term (daily basis or all day) even common sense will tell you that is harmful to the lungs.

oncea420alwaysa420
09-04-2005, 11:51 PM
Looking at the age not even passed highschool. maybe the biology course will come this semester

beachguy in thongs
09-05-2005, 03:47 AM
as far as the effects on the brain go, Your dopamine receptors are effected. They get blocked and it basically gives you a calmer state of being.

Pot has been called "dope" by many people and wrongly called that because it doesn't even affect (note the correct spelling of the word) your dopamine receptors. Research marijuana and dopamine.

oncea420alwaysa420
09-05-2005, 06:24 AM
Excuse me. I was wrong. It has been a while. You are correct. I stand corrected.

a. beezy
09-05-2005, 06:37 AM
Very few people admit error so peacefully; even fewer know the difference between affect and effect. CANNABIS.COM RULES!

weirdo79
09-05-2005, 08:02 AM
Cilia grow back too ;) . Fairly quickly too , everytime your sick (cold's flu's etc) you rip your cilia to "crap" well coughing. I just got over pneumonia and guess what cannabis actually helped me clear my lungs (it being an expectorant). If your looking for research on cannabis. Just make sure its independent. No taking the "national institute for drug addiction's" word as they directly profit from its illegality (much like pharmaceutical companies, my pills didnt help the pot did ....big surprise). Although I wouldnt reccommend smoking it people ;). Not with pneumonia anyway THAT was a mistake I did make ;).

Id stay away from any american (or any prohibitionist government) which makes claims contrary to testable science ;). Personally id like to slap my own countries health minister and the entire CMA....for refusing to even look at the research of independent countries such as australia and the netherlands....(not like the latter would have any idea about cannabis eh.....)

beachguy in thongs
09-05-2005, 05:34 PM
(In response to 420)

Very few people admit error so peacefully; even fewer know the difference between affect and effect. CANNABIS.COM RULES!

Hah! You said it.

CPACCR (Cool people at cannibus.com rule)