Religion(kinda wat happens when you die?) question

[brrg744]

What do you think happens when you die?
I hured a scientific explanation before : Everything that exists has matter and energy. This energy Always will exist in the form of matter. So when you die your still around. This has been proven that the energy is always around. The question is wheter or not your thoughts stay with it. like you can go anywhere in the form of energy. wat you think about this or what are your thougt?

[mf greg]

reincarnation

[ermitonto]

Your "energy" is still there. It gets eaten up by worms and bacteria and such after you die. But your thoughts are not contained in simple energy alone. They are the result of the complex electrochemical reactions of the neural system of the brain. After the brain decays, there is no hope of ever being able to retrieve the information your thoughts once held. Since brain damaged people have diminished capacities for thinking, remembering, and other basic brain functions, it stands to reason that they would all stop completely if the brain's activity was damaged to the point of non-functionality.

[brrg744]

we had this conversation with liquor and weed. I mean think about it. Kets say theres no heaven or hell. Its unimaginable wat can happen. Ur thoughts just dissapearing.

[brrg744]

I also think religion is bullshit. Think about it. If you killed someone your mom loves u enough to forgive you. WOuldnt God forgive you. WOuld he send you to hell for all eternity for something you did on ur 80 years here?

[Nightstar]

Thats something we'll never.

and it's kinda scary to think about BUT it's something we all have to face.

[Phresher than it Got]

i seem to think about this stuff in a totaly dif way, i believe things simply are; there is no "souls, spirits, other dimension..", everything just sort of happens, and for no particular purpose,
our consciousness is just something that coincidentally happened, the odds of awareness existing, even just life existing, were so small, but it was bound to happen, because life is the only thing that obeys time, everything else, molecules, atoms, just are, and eventually created us,
so when we die, we simply break down, the super-complex patterns of atoms that allow us awareness breakdown, nothing more, people made up the idea of afterlife because of what sharpestoner said, it would suck so bad to be nothing, something to hard to think about,
god is just an idea that gives us comfort, that atleast there is something that will right all wrongs in the end, most religious ideas are just made to help people cope

[Stedric]

If you truly think you are wise, accept that you know nothing at all.

Right now I'm more worried about whats going to happen before I die.

[weirdo79]

Damn stedric beat me to it, We truly have no more than circumstantial evidence for anything (including oblivion). Even scientists split pretty much down the middle especially since a recent Dutch Research Project. If you cross reference "consciousness after brain death" (which as far as WE know is scientifically impossible but it does happen). Which is basically what has most scientists arguing about it. Much like how only within the last decade or so were we able to figure out mathematically how a fly flies (before it was "mathematically impossible" now its not....thats how science works people). Live and learn.

Nothing is certain in death. Other than that your "meat" does rot......

Using the same logic most people who believe in oblivion use you could easily argue that since consciousness after brain death exists (a scientific impossibility although we know its not now im just saying that for reference sake) that oblivion would be implausible as this(study) basically says there's a part of our consciousness's function which we have no freaking clue about. NONE , nadda...zip....bupkiss....Which means truly any supposition other than personal belief has no basis at all. It would be like convicting a man of murder because he matches most of the suspects description.....

Never stop looking , just dont plan on knowing it ;) till your dead that is. At least eventually we'll all know.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

^^Wow :eek:
That was very well said *round of applause*

When i was about 7 i asked my mum what you saw when you died (she believes that when you die, that's it, you are dead, there is nothing else, it's just the absolute end), and she told me you see nothing, as you can't see anything, and i kept on asking her if you just saw black (like when you close your eyes) and i just couldn't comprehend the fact that you see nothing, and are nothing anymore. Then i went on to ask if you saw blue, red, green etc. and she kept trying to explain that once you die, you see nothing anymore, and i just couldn't understand that at such a young age lol.

I'd LOOOOOVE there to be an afterlife, but that doesn't seem too hopeful

...Josh :D

[zarathustra]

The great and mighty pumpkin devours your soul, and flys off to make it into pumpkin poop pie.

[Lily420]

In Islam your soul is traped inside your grave with your conciense until judgment day when we all wake up.

[Warlock]

I believe when you die it's just like sleeping without being able to dream. I know a person dreams every night, it's just weither he or she can remember their dreams, but the nights when you can't remember your dreams, isn't it like nothing exists? When you sleep your concious brain isn't relaying infomation that you can specify, or identify.
I deffo don't believe in heaven & hell, they were just scare tactics made up by an out dated dead religion; christianity.

[Completely Stoned]

I definately DO believe in Heaven and Hell. It's like what Einstein said, Matter is always here, matter has always existed. People always ask where did god come from? Well we cannot destroy matter we cannot create it, It's just always been here. There HAS to be a god and a heaven. For thi much intelligence, this much emotion, this many senses and experiences, it all HAS to lead to something after this. I'm almost 100% positive there is after life and god is waiting for us all there. This is just my opinion. How you other people live with yourselves thinking there is nothing else....have a nice life, cause that's terrible.

[Warlock]

It's not terrible. Believing in god & heaven is a sense of false security. Life must be bad when anyone has to rely on a god or the thought of going to heaven.
It's all made up by stupid men that were tripping. It's a scare tactic, & it works on people like you.

[Completely Stoned]

well it feels great to know that he's there waiting for me. Waiting in fear for your life to just END, sucks a big fat weener. I could enevr stand that shit. I'm glad I was raised the way I was.

[Mirno Sctlnd]

I'll travel to the center of the earth and meet lord Narork who will enslave my soul and make me farm for crabs/

[hardon]

I'll travel to the center of the earth and meet lord Narork who will enslave my soul and make me farm for crabs/

crab people, crab people, look like crab and talk like people.... :confused:

[Ousted]

well it feels great to know that he's there waiting for me. Waiting in fear for your life to just END, sucks a big fat weener. I could enevr stand that shit. I'm glad I was raised the way I was.

So your faith is fear-motivated you say? Fear of being uncomfortable over the idea that you're not that important?


Typical.

[Warlock]

well it feels great to know that he's there waiting for me. Waiting in fear for your life to just END, sucks a big fat weener. I could enevr stand that shit. I'm glad I was raised the way I was.

I fear nothing! Nothing at all!
It's a real waste when you fear an imaginary god. You're living a pie in the sky life.

[Warlock]

So your faith is fear-motivated you say? Fear of being uncomfortable over the idea that you're not that important?


Typical.

That's what christianity is based on.

[Warlock]

crab people, crab people, look like crab and talk like people.... :confused:

I can't believe in my stoned state I actually Googled lord Narork, my bad.

[Stedric]

I can't believe in my stoned state I actually Googled lord Narork, my bad.
Out of curiousity, are you a Satanist?

And yes I know the difference between the Southern Baptist definition of Satanist and what a Satanist actually is.

[ermitonto]

well it feels great to know that he's there waiting for me. Waiting in fear for your life to just END, sucks a big fat weener. I could enevr stand that shit. I'm glad I was raised the way I was.

Once Mark Twain was asked if he feared death. He said that he did not, in view of the fact that he had been dead for billions and billions of years before he was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.

I'm not afraid of death, because if there really is nothing to experience after death, which I strongly suspect (to me it just doesn't make any more sense to say consciousness can outlive the brain than it does to say that heartbeat can outlive the heart), then I will have no emotions and will not be able to care about the fact that I'm dead. If there really is something after death, and all the evidence that suggests consciousness is the product of our mortal brains is nothing but an illusion, then it seems we are not meant to know what it is during our lifetimes, and any speculations about other dimensions and new lives is unsubstantiated wishful thinking.

The Christian idea of Heaven and Hell seems completely ridiculous to me for a few reasons. First of all, the whole idea of Hell (eternal punishment) goes against the idea of forgiveness which Christians claim to embrace. It seems that forgiveness only lasts until you are dead, at which point your good deeds and bad deeds are tallied up in some cosmic computer or something which calculates whether you pass the goodness threshhold for admittance into Heaven. After that point forgiveness is a meaningless concept; in Hell everybody is branded as evil for their sins and they all suffer the exact same punishment of eternal burning, no matter whether they killed 6 million Jews or just said something bad about the Holy Ghost (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/unforgivable.html).

Meanwhile, in another invisible part of the universe nobody has ever been able to find with any telescope, other "souls" who happened to accept Jesus are all rewarded indiscriminately with eternal happiness (except for the eternal pain of knowing many of their loved ones are being tortured forever). According to Christian dogma, it doesn't matter if you're the Pope or you've been sinning your whole life but "found Jesus" just before you died, you get a ticket to eternal bliss (unless you said something bad about the Holy Ghost (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/unforgivable.html), in which case it's Hell no matter how many years you serve as Pope or how hard you try to find Jesus).

[F L E S H]

If you truly think you are wise, accept that you know nothing at all.

Right now I'm more worried about whats going to happen before I die.
Well said. Don't waste time thinking about death. Live your life now, enjoy it, and be happy. That's all that really matters. What happens after you die is completely, utterly irrelevant.

[Warlock]

Out of curiousity, are you a Satanist?

And yes I know the difference between the Southern Baptist definition of Satanist and what a Satanist actually is.

No I'm not, I have read a lot of Anton Laveys books though. I just hate Christians.

[beachguy in thongs]

I just hate Christians.

Why don't you just come out and say one of two things. You hate a majority of humanity, or you hate Jesus Christ, because I could never bring myself to say either one.

[Warlock]

I can't hate something that doesn't exist, & no... I don't hate the majority of humanity. Only christian scum.

[weirdo79]

Here let me rephrase for warlock (hopefully I dont take too many liberties sorry If I do warlock)

He doesnt hate christians so much as anyone who believes in their complete rightness and have such a conviction that they are right. DESPITE the fact their is 0 evidence for Jesus...(which is akin to naming someone(now) jon a couple of thousand years ago......) 0 evidence for god and that the bible has been proven time and time again to be scientifically and historically inaccurate (id say archeologically but thats included with science most people dont understand that though....). Not to mention contradictory and misogynistic. But hey I'll let christians rant and try to control politics all they want. All I ask is equal time for Santa and the Tooth Fairy......Oh and all the egyptian, sumerian and babylonian legends which were stolen to make the fallacies in the bible....Go ahead people look it up dont take my word :). The bible is like a rehashed comic book made from a graphic novel......several graphic novels.

If the bible is true and Jesus was real . So was Heracles, and the hydra and the gorgons (even medusae....). Griffons dragons etc....shall I go on......

(there's a word for all that.....Ignorance....I hear it can be bliss, however its also self destructive...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance ;)

[ermitonto]

Why don't you just come out and say one of two things. You hate a majority of humanity, or you hate Jesus Christ, because I could never bring myself to say either one.

Christianity has about 2.1 billion followers. Thus the majority of humanity is actually non-Christian. I could understand not liking Jesus, considering how he pulled off one of the most widely believed lies in history (http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/theology/Second%20Coming%20stuff/Jesus_and_his_expired_prophecies.htm). But I don't hate Jesus, since for all I know what he really did might have been distorted in the many years following his death before the Bible was written. Or he might not have even existed at all; the debate abong (non-dogmatic) historians on that subject still isn't resolved.

But I see no point to hate the 2.1 billion people who have been indoctrinated into Christianity. Sure, it's rather unfortunate that they are worshiping a false prophet, but I don't see why I should hate anybody for that (unless they try to force their beliefs on me of course, which Christians often do, but not all of them).

[beachguy in thongs]

Thanks Warlock, I'll think about hating you, too, though I won't because I'm not that type of person.

[Stedric]

I have Christian friends, I have an intense dislike for Christian nutbars and televangelists, and some Christian views get under my skin. On the other hand some secular views get under my skin as well so there you go.

My girlfriend is Baptist so I can't really hate all Christians.

[Euphoric]

I can't hate something that doesn't exist, & no... I don't hate the majority of humanity. Only christian scum.

:D right on

[beachguy in thongs]

Sounds like we have some racist people at this site. cough cough!!! ^^^

[ermitonto]

Who said anything about race?

[Tokenz]

I'm not afraid of death, because if there really is nothing to experience after death, which I strongly suspect (to me it just doesn't make any more sense to say consciousness can outlive the brain than it does to say that heartbeat can outlive the heart), then I will have no emotions and will not be able to care about the fact that I'm dead. If there really is something after death, and all the evidence that suggests consciousness is the product of our mortal brains is nothing but an illusion, then it seems we are not meant to know what it is during our lifetimes, and any speculations about other dimensions and new lives is unsubstantiated wishful thinking.



Agreed, I still find it hard to grasp - it is just so hard to imagine not being able to imagine.

[beachguy in thongs]

People who believe in Christ are a seperate race from non-believers. If you think people who believe in Christ are scum, then you are a racist. If you can categorize Christians as scum then you are ignoring the non-scum Christians, hence ignorance-bred racism.

[Ousted]

People who believe in Christ are a seperate race from non-believers.

What race are they?


If you think people who believe in Christ are scum, then you are a racist.

No, you would be prejudice, but not racist.



If you can categorize Christians as scum then you are ignoring the non-scum Christians, hence ignorance-bred racism.

Well, ignorance-bred prejudice. And I agree with ya here. I think Warlock may have been a little rash when speaking with such certainty about christians, when Im sure he just dislikes those that manipulate the religion to their benefit and use their religion to attempt to manipulate others. As a christian you should dislike those kinds of christians as well. Unfortunately, there's enough of those types of christians in this world that people of different beliefs get an uneasy feeling when someone says they're a christian. But I completely agree that there are many loving, caring god-fearing people in this country and world who live everyday to try to make lives better for others, they do not deserve to be hated based on their belief in God.

[Warlock]

weirdo79:

Yes that's about right. But i do hate christians, they're worse than common thieves, they're hypocritical, alont the years through hystory they have been murderous & they are weak fools that serve no purpose on this planet. They live to turn others around to their views of thinking.

If hating christains makes me a racist then so be it. I don't care.
It's an out-dated relaigion that has no place in the world today.

[Warlock]

Christians have denied the basic urges of man since the beginning of it all. Christians still snub aside masturbation & pre-marital sex, 2 of the most natural thing on this planet. How dare they tell me I am sinning by having sex, how fucking dare they!!
I am willing to face upto any christian that has a problem with me, & I'll let them know that I have enough anger in me for them that I will kill them if they fuck with me.


On a brighter note, take a Bible Quiz (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/quizlist.html)

[ermitonto]

People who believe in Christ are a seperate race from non-believers.
Really, so even though my parents are both white, and I'm white, we're from different races because they're Christians and I'm not?


If you think people who believe in Christ are scum, then you are a racist. If you can categorize Christians as scum then you are ignoring the non-scum Christians, hence ignorance-bred racism.
No, that's a different type of prejudice. The word "race" implies a common genetic heritage. There are Christians of all races. Not that it's okay to hate 2.1 billion people just because they're unfortunate enough to have been infected by the Christianity virus, but whatever it is it's not racism.

[Warlock]

Thanks Warlock, I'll think about hating you, too, though I won't because I'm not that type of person.

You do that, because if you did I wouldnt give a shit. God fearing hate means fuck all.

[beachguy in thongs]

Whatever... Hitler tried to commit genocide, killing off all the Jews, if it were Christians, they wouldn't call it genocide?

[Warlock]

No, because Christians cause more problems than good. If Hitler had tried to gas a load of christians it would be called a party. Christians are like a warped version of Jews, twice the trouble.

[Stedric]

weirdo79:

Yes that's about right. But i do hate christians, they're worse than common thieves, they're hypocritical, alont the years through hystory they have been murderous & they are weak fools that serve no purpose on this planet. They live to turn others around to their views of thinking.

If hating christains makes me a racist then so be it. I don't care.
It's an out-dated relaigion that has no place in the world today.
I think hypocrisy and subscription to outdated beliefs is just human nature, I don't think it really has anything to do with religion. We'd still have just as many fanatical nuts if everyone was an atheist.

[Ousted]

Christians have denied the basic urges of man since the beginning of it all. Christians still snub aside masturbation & pre-marital sex, 2 of the most natural thing on this planet. How dare they tell me I am sinning by having sex, how fucking dare they!!

Well, not to be a jerk but how dare you judge an entire religion with such hatred because of differing beliefs as well? You seem to be just as vocal about your beliefs as many christians are about theirs. Look up "irony."


I am willing to face upto any christian that has a problem with me, & I'll let them know that I have enough anger in me for them that I will kill them if they fuck with me.

Ooh, what a badass, lol.

Anger is a very unflattering reaction to have. And its especially unflattering when the anger is not very justified. And most assuredly makes those who choose to lose their self-control - selfishly displaying their anger - come off like serious ignoramous's.

I think you need to check your own hypocricies before criticizing others for being hypocritical. Might help with your anger issues if you actually understood fully what you let yourself get so worked up about.
You cant control other people, no matter how violent or angry you get. People are gonna do what they're gonna do, and believe what they're gonna believe despite you. So you might as well keep a controlled eye on that short fuse of yours for the sake of your own sanity...and likability.

[beachguy in thongs]

Well, not to be a jerk but how dare you judge an entire religion with such hatred because of differing beliefs as well? You seem to be just as vocal about your beliefs as many christians are about theirs. Look up "irony." Ooh, what a badass, lol. Anger is a very unflattering reaction to have. And its especially unflattering when the anger is not very justified. And most assuredly makes those who choose to lose their self-control - selfishly displaying their anger - come off like serious ignoramous's. I think you need to check your own hypocricies before criticizing others for being hypocritical. Might help with your anger issues if you actually understood fully what you let yourself get so worked up about. You cant control other people, no matter how violent or angry you get. People are gonna do what they're gonna do, and believe what they're gonna believe despite you. So you might as well keep a controlled eye on that short fuse of yours for the sake of your own sanity...and likability.

Thanks. I usually keep it to a sentence.

Either way, I originally pointed out that your remarks are racist, because you hate a whole entire race of Christ-believers. Just like you're family, warlock, is an entire race of lab rats. Enough of the name calling, but if everyone was like you, then everyone would want to kill someone.

Sorry, (up above, somewhere) about your situation where your parents are Christian and you're not.

[Warlock]

Well, not to be a jerk but how dare you judge an entire religion with such hatred because of differing beliefs as well? You seem to be just as vocal about your beliefs as many christians are about theirs. Look up "irony."


I can judge all I want, I know exactly what christians are about. They do deny the basic nature of man, the bible is a prime example of this.
I used to attend church a lot, I used to be involved in church activities & I was a full on heavy christian years ago. That's when I saw what they're really like.




Ooh, what a badass, lol.

Anger is a very unflattering reaction to have. And its especially unflattering when the anger is not very justified. And most assuredly makes those who choose to lose their self-control - selfishly displaying their anger - come off like serious ignoramous's.

I think you need to check your own hypocricies before criticizing others for being hypocritical. Might help with your anger issues if you actually understood fully what you let yourself get so worked up about.
You cant control other people, no matter how violent or angry you get. People are gonna do what they're gonna do, and believe what they're gonna believe despite you. So you might as well keep a controlled eye on that short fuse of yours for the sake of your own sanity...and likability.

I understand fully what I get angry about, my anger is also fully justified.
These christian morons battle with themselves on a daily basis. Trying not to "Give in to temptation", such as not looking at that girl, not thinking sexual thoughts & not masturbating, & when they fail they feel they have let their god down. Only idiots could do something this stupid.

What there is no justification for is the centuries of killings & torture that have all happened in the name of christianity.

[beachguy in thongs]

I can judge all I want, I know exactly what christians are about. They do deny the basic nature of man, the bible is a prime example of this.
That's when I saw what they're really like.
I understand fully what I get angry about, my anger is also fully justified.
These christian morons battle with themselves on a daily basis. Trying not to "Give in to temptation", such as not looking at that girl, not thinking sexual thoughts & not masturbating, & when they fail they feel they have let their god down. Only idiots could do something this stupid.

What there is no justification for is the centuries of killings & torture that have all happened in the name of christianity.

Ok, so what about other religions and their battles?

First though, I think your parents brought you to the wrong church.

Christian means that you believe in Christ. Some Christian religions have no faith in the bible, declaring your entire argument null & void.

[Warlock]

Ok, so what about other religions and their battles?

First though, I think your parents brought you to the wrong church.

Christian means that you believe in Christ. Some Christian religions have no faith in the bible, declaring your entire argument null & void.

My parents didnt pick the church.

Other religions, they're all a load of crap too, but in my eyes christianity is the worst one. Claiming satanists kill babies, condemning people in the street because they think they're not christian. Make me sick. They're all the same.
All while backing everything up with a damn book, claiming it is evidence, it is nothing.

[beachguy in thongs]

Stop generalizing, Warlock. Christianity isn't a certain congregation of people, unless they live in England. Catholicism and Lutheran have two seperate viewpoints, they are both Christian religions.

[Euphoric]

Jesus says he is the only way to salvation yet he purposely disillusions us so that we will go to hell:

Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, â??lest . . . they . . . should understand . . . and should be converted, and I should heal them.â?� Matthew 13:10-15

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12



Jesus advocates child abuse:

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: â??He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.â?� Matthew 15:4-7

Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and heâ??ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, itâ??s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9


oh yeah, thats really spiritually advanced. *laughing* christianity is a spiritually dead religon, designed to keep followers confused about the afterlife and true power so the people that really know whats up can stay in control. thats what i think.

[beachguy in thongs]

I'm started to think that the mindset of human beings nowadays is no different from the ignoramus' who outlawed pot back in the thirties. Now that is racism. The next form of life our country is looking to make illegal is Brits who wear lipstick.

[beachguy in thongs]

I was confirmed catholic at St. Mary's church in Amsterdam, NY and not once did a priest or a nun tell me to kill little kids who misbehave.

[Euphoric]

Believers are supposed to hate their parents when they follow Jesus (â??If any man come to me, and not hate his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sister, yet, and his own life also, he cannot be my discipleâ?� (Luke 14:26). Well, considering that Christians do not abandon their families but usually attempt to brainwash them they are all guilty of not following this verse. â??Itâ??s symbolicâ?�, yeah, I know your lame ass defense to this one already.

[Warlock]

Christians go out on a Friday & Saturday night & have sex with girls, then go to church on Sunday & repent.
Hypocritical little bastards.
It's all about god, jesus & the damn bible. If the assholes spent as much energy on a good cause rather than in a fucking book some good might get done on this planet.

[beachguy in thongs]

They are "bible-thumpers". Let them be. But I believe in Christ and find that you have no right to classify me as scum, or a hypocrite. I'm pretty sure that those people (who are so interested in the bible that you hate their guts) have finished reading their bibles. I hate satan worshippers. But if one came to me with a good heart, I'd like him.

[Warlock]

They are "bible-thumpers". Let them be. But I believe in Christ and find that you have no right to classify me as scum, or a hypocrite. I'm pretty sure that those people (who are so interested in the bible that you hate their guts) have finished reading their bibles. I hate satan worshippers. But if one came to me with a good heart, I'd like him.
There are no Satan worshippers, just stupid 14yr olds that want to rebel, they're the only Satan worshippers.
I have every right to clasify you like that. You are Christian therefore you are a hypocrite & if it were upto you the earths population would probably be christian.

[ermitonto]

Anybody who believes in Christ has not read the Bible carefully enough. The proof against Jesus' divinity can be found right in the pages of that damned book. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Jesus and his followers clearly predicted the Second Coming to occur sometime in the first century. For instance, in Matthew 16:27-28 it says â??For the Son of Man [i.e. Jesus] is about to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will reward each one according to his deeds. I assure you [i.e. swear to you] that there are some here who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man [Jesus] come as King.â?� And later in Matthew 24:34, while still talking about the Second Coming, states â??Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.â?� Now clearly all the people who were alive when he said that are long dead, so Jesus' Second Coming did not occur within the timeframe Jesus himself specified in the Bible, therefore Jesus' prophecy was false, making Jesus a false prophet.

In case you think maybe there are some people from Jesus' time who somehow have survived for two millennia, in Matthew 26:63-64 he tells the high priest Caiaphas that the Second Coming will occur in his lifetime:

But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
So this image of Caiaphas' tomb (http://www.jcnot4me.com/images/BAR%20Cover-%20Caiaphas%20Tomb.jpg) is all that is needed to prove Jesus was a false prophet.

[Nochowderforyou]

What do you think happens when you die?
I hured a scientific explanation before : Everything that exists has matter and energy. This energy Always will exist in the form of matter. So when you die your still around. This has been proven that the energy is always around. The question is wheter or not your thoughts stay with it. like you can go anywhere in the form of energy. wat you think about this or what are your thougt?

I don't know actually. I think during the process of dying, you get shown the meaning of life. Why you were on earth, and why you are being taken away. All of your answers in life are revealed. Then your life is over. Dead silence, no sound, no feeling, nothing, but I still think we will have the ability to walk in spirit and help guid our loved ones through life.

I am no means religious. I believe in God but I don't believe in the bible.

[Nochowderforyou]

Anybody who believes in Christ has not read the Bible carefully enough. The proof against Jesus' divinity can be found right in the pages of that damned book. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Jesus and his followers clearly predicted the Second Coming to occur sometime in the first century. For instance, in Matthew 16:27-28 it says â??For the Son of Man [i.e. Jesus] is about to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will reward each one according to his deeds. I assure you [i.e. swear to you] that there are some here who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man [Jesus] come as King.â?� And later in Matthew 24:34, while still talking about the Second Coming, states â??Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.â?� Now clearly all the people who were alive when he said that are long dead, so Jesus' Second Coming did not occur within the timeframe Jesus himself specified in the Bible, therefore Jesus' prophecy was false, making Jesus a false prophet.

In case you think maybe there are some people from Jesus' time who somehow have survived for two millennia, in Matthew 26:63-64 he tells the high priest Caiaphas that the Second Coming will occur in his lifetime:

So this image of Caiaphas' tomb (http://www.jcnot4me.com/images/BAR%20Cover-%20Caiaphas%20Tomb.jpg) is all that is needed to prove Jesus was a false prophet.

Hmm...very interesting.

[beachguy in thongs]

I have every right to clasify you like that. You are Christian therefore you are a hypocrite & if it were upto you the earths population would probably be christian.

Man, go whack off or something, you're barking up the wrong tree. I believe Christ existed and something was messed up about it. If it were up to me, I wouldn't give a shit about you anyways, why would I care?

[beachguy in thongs]

As for the bible, why is it still around? I know during football games (American, that is) there's usually some guy holding up a John 3:16 sign.

[Warlock]

Man, go whack off or something, you're barking up the wrong tree. I believe Christ existed and something was messed up about it. If it were up to me, I wouldn't give a shit about you anyways, why would I care?

See what I mean? Complete hypocrite. Jesus wouldn't like you talking like that.


As for the bible, why is it still around? I know during football games (American, that is) there's usually some guy holding up a John 3:16 sign.


It's still around because gullible people like you keep sucking it all in, being brainwashed, without even stopping for a second to question what they believe.

[ermitonto]

The main reason the Bible is around is because its followers have not studied it closely enough to find the proof that Jesus was a fraud (http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/theology/Second%20Coming%20stuff/matthew_24_verse_by_verse.htm), and like all religions they indoctrinate their children from birth into believing that it is true simply because their own parents indoctrinated them similarly. They are scared from seriously questioning the beliefs of the Bible for fear of eternal punishment (even though the universe is supposedly ruled by an infinitely forgiving being...go figure).

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." â??Jesus, in Matthew 10:34 (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/10.html#34)

[beachguy in thongs]

Will you stop believing people are followers and robots?
Jesus Christ has nothing to do with my everyday life.

That quote is just saying that the team will never die. Catholics don't put a whole lot of stock in the bible, some other religion probably started that.

Jesus Christ had his day in the sunshine. When a third son of God comes to Earth, you better hope he doesn't judge you by your belief that there never was a first.

I guess, you believe that you're born and you die. Sounds nice.

[beachguy in thongs]

Christians go out on a Friday & Saturday night & have sex with girls

And...that's the reason why guys are on this planet, to have sex with girls, not to wear lipstick like Bozo the Clown.

[ermitonto]

Jesus Christ had his day in the sunshine. When a third son of God comes to Earth, you better hope he doesn't judge you by your belief that there never was a first.
But Jesus himself said "I assure you that there are some here who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man come as King." Since all those people have died and they did not see the Son of Man come as King, we can be absolutely certain he was lying. There is no ambiguity in a quote like "I assure you that there are some here who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man come as King."


I guess, you believe that you're born and you die. Sounds nice.
I wouldn't believe in anything (like life after death) just because it would be "nice" if it was true. I would only believe something if it was logically consistent with my observations.

[Warlock]

And...that's the reason why guys are on this planet, to have sex with girls, not to wear lipstick like Bozo the Clown.

But it's not the reason god apparently put them here. They're not meant to lay with man nor woman outside wedlock, which they are doing.
I'll tell you who else where's lipstick, all of your fave actors, incl the male ones. Get over it you moron, I wear lipstick along with millions of other guys out there. Are you not able to comprehend it?

[TonyD]

What happens when you die? Nothing.

You were dead for all eternity before you were born and it doesn't annoy you does it? Well don't worry about being dead again.

[Euphoric]

hmmm... i liked reading the 10th Insight (the sequel to the Celestine Prophecy)

Not only does this Insight provide a fuller understanding of this transformation, but it also expounds on the â??Afterlife dimension.â?� We learn that in this dimension â??you can make anything happen just by wishing it so...[however], such creation isnâ??t fulfilling.â?�28 Although this type of manipulation can occur in the earthly dimension it happens at a â??slower rate.â?� Such manipulation only becomes fulfilling when â??we first tune into our inner direction and divine guidance...[when] we become cocreators with the divine source.â?�



Our goal in life, with the help of â??soul groups,â?� is to remember our â??birth vision.â?� A birth vision is what we wanted to get accomplished in this life before we entered this physical realm (i.e., in a preincarnate state). Soul groups, people who remain in the Reincarnation Afterlife dimension, offer us support and help to attain our birth vision.

[beachguy in thongs]

But it's not the reason god apparently put them here. They're not meant to lay with man nor woman outside wedlock, which they are doing.


God clearly put girls for guys to fuck and vice versa.

[beachguy in thongs]

hmmm... i liked reading the 10th Insight (the sequel to the Celestine Prophecy)



Cool, thanks...I read the Celestine Prophecy at the time the 10th Insight was coming out (I guess).

[ermitonto]

No, "God" didn't "put" people on the planet to fuck each other. Fucking existed for billions of years before humans did, and those original fuckers evolved into billions of different species of fuckers, including humans. We're here because we fuck, and if we didn't we'd die out. If you have any evidence whatsoever that some factor besides evolution was involved in making us creatures who like to fuck, I and the entire scientific community would be fascinated to see it.

[mrdevious]

ermitonto, I'll give you proof of an alternate explanation. you're utilizing critical thinking, now cut it out before you burn in hell!!!!!! :eek:










;) ;) ;)

[NowhereMan]

What happens when you die? Nothing.

You were dead for all eternity before you were born and it doesn't annoy you does it? Well don't worry about being dead again.
will u pass me that jiont,please
cuase its got to be good,:)

[Warlock]

God clearly put girls for guys to fuck and vice versa.

According to god it's only meant to happen is marriage. If you have had sex outside marriage then according to your god you're going to burn in hell.
I wish I had such a loving god as you :rolleyes:

[Euphoric]

According to god it's only meant to happen is marriage. If you have had sex outside marriage then according to your god you're going to burn in hell.
I wish I had such a loving god as you :rolleyes:



A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)


yeah. burned alive! :eek:

[ermitonto]

Yeah the Bible would have practically every angsty teenager executed too, since Leviticus 20:9 (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/20.html#9) says:

For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
And check out the next verse too, Leviticus 20:10:

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Fortunately, even the Christians these days are smart enough to ignore this bullshit. I didn't hear too many of them clamoring to execute Clinton and Lewinski. (However, the hypocrites like to go on and on and on and on about the line 3 verses down which condemns homosexuality as worthy of the death penalty).

[beachguy in thongs]

According to god it's only meant to happen is marriage.

What about dinosaurs, did they have to get married? And cats and dogs.
They all follow God's plan.

[Warlock]

What about dinosaurs, did they have to get married? And cats and dogs.
They all follow God's plan.

No, it didn't matter what animals did as they don't have souls. According to the bible.

[beachguy in thongs]

The Bible only goes back 2500 years or so. My cat has a brain. You have a brain. Yet, she has a soul.

[beachguy in thongs]

I suggest reading the Bible of Jesus Rex of the Church of Fatter-Day Saints'.

[F L E S H]

Actually, Warlock is right on this one... According to the Bible, animals do not have souls... Sorry kids, there's no room for dogs or cats in heaven!

[Ousted]

I can judge all I want, I know exactly what christians are about. They do deny the basic nature of man, the bible is a prime example of this.
I used to attend church a lot, I used to be involved in church activities & I was a full on heavy christian years ago. That's when I saw what they're really like.

It must be great to know everything about everything and everyone. Sounds like you really have things figured out! No need for anyone to try to exaplin anything to you, as you have known and experienced everything you need in your life to be satisfied with the answers and feelings you have currently!

I might believe what I just wrote above if you didn't lump people together and classify them or their behavior as though every christian is exactly the same with no room for variance, and have such strong emotion for an entire group of people.
For those reasons I find you to be grossly uninformed, uncompassionate, and narrow-minded.

[Warlock]

It must be great to know everything about everything and everyone. Sounds like you really have things figured out! No need for anyone to try to exaplin anything to you, as you have known and experienced everything you need in your life to be satisfied with the answers and feelings you have currently!

I might believe what I just wrote above if you didn't lump people together and classify them or their behavior as though every christian is exactly the same with no room for variance, and have such strong emotion for an entire group of people.
For those reasons I find you to be grossly uninformed, uncompassionate, and narrow-minded.

I never suggested I knew everything, I have experienced ALL I NEED to experience to know that christians are scum.
Every single one has a day to day battle with resisting "sin", & they struggle, they are all idiots because of this, & so many more reasons. They battle urges to do what is so natural. What fucking morons.

[beachguy in thongs]

Every single one has a day to day battle with resisting "sin"

And this was learned through what experience?

[Warlock]

And this was learned through what experience?

Through hearing what they say in church, what they say on TV, christians I used to know. All the same.
They see as looking at a chicks tits as a sin, its basic human urge for a man to check out tits, & they fight it!

[beachguy in thongs]

Through hearing what they say in church, what they say on TV, christians I used to know. All the same.
They see as looking at a chicks tits as a sin, its basic human urge for a man to check out tits, & they fight it!

Who is they? They, the people who believe in Christ, who live in your english town? English Cable TV?

[beachguy in thongs]

Jesus is a funny dude.

[ermitonto]

Yeah, hilarious guy that Jesus. Like in Mark 7:9 when he was reprimanding people for not killing their disobedient children like the Old Testament law that I quoted earlier requires Christians to do:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/7.html#9

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
So think, next time your kids curse you, What Would Jesus Do? He'd slit their throats, that's what!

[beachguy in thongs]

I'd put more stock in The New Testament. It speaks of what's to come. So I've heard...

[ermitonto]

That quote was from the New Testament. Jesus, as depicted in the New Testament, is portrayed as believing wholeheartedly in the Old Testament. Why modern Christians reject much of the Old Testament and embrace the New is a mystery to me. Clearly it has something to do with the really wacky stories you find in the Old Testament that couldn't possibly be true, but the New Testament isn't much more reliable. It speaks of things to come all right, but the New Testament makes it clear that all Jesus' predictions were supposed to happen within the lifetimes of the people Jesus was talking to, which obviously was not the case. So while it speaks of things to come, there is a definite time limit for the predictions set out by Jesus himself, which has passed without the predictions coming true. Therefore, the Second Coming is clearly as fictional as Noah's Flood.

[beachguy in thongs]

What I said about the Old & New Testaments was exactly what this one girl from a Christian band said to me. She is not Roman Catholic like me. I don't know what the hell she is, but she kept saying catholics are bad because they don't follow the bible. I kept e-mailing her back, arguing over Jimi Hendrix, weed, the Bible (because we all know neither God, nor Jesus wrote it), so finally she told me not to e-mail her anymore because she was sick of arguing. I figured she was right, though, because she's read the Bible, through and through, and I just go to the back section of any book.

[ermitonto]

You might want to try taking a look through it yourself. There's some pretty sick and twisted stuff in there, trust me.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

By the way, if the Bible was written by neither God nor Jesus, then who DID write it? Anybody we know we can trust? And if much of it is clearly fiction, how do you propose we pick out the bullshit from the truth? I can't find a single Christian who's been able to explain to me why I should believe the part about Jesus' divinity when other parts of the book are nothing more than ridiculous tall tales (we've got talking animals, a worldwide flood, a virgin birth, witches, demons, ghosts, and an all-loving God who doesn't give two shits about all the slavery going on). Even Jesus' own prophecies never came true in the timeframe he said they would. I don't believe in Jesus for the same reason that I don't believe in Nostradamus - they both claimed to have knowledge of the future which does not match up with what actually happened. Nothing can possibly convince me that the Bible's outlandish claims are grounded in reality without a LOT of GOOD evidence to back it up. Until you can demonstrate how the Second Coming actually did happen but nobody noticed, or you can demonstrate that the Bible doesn't say what it says, you have to admit that the prophecy of the Second Coming is not reliable.

[beachguy in thongs]

The prophecy may have came true but derailed by the devil.

It was started by Moses. Are you calling him a liar?

I want to believe in Nostradamus so bad.

[ermitonto]

The prophecy came true? The prophecy of the END OF THE WORLD came true? How could that possibly be, if we still exist? If Jesus said something was going to happen, and it didn't, he is a false prophet. Period. It doesn't matter if "Satan" (which you also have no proof for) screwed things up; Jesus/God/whatever should have easily forseen that what with knowing everything.

Also, I doubt Moses ever existed. We just don't have any archaeological or historical evidence at all of somebody named Moses, or of Jews being enslaved in Egypt and then wandering around in the desert for 40 years (you'd think they'd have dropped a couple artifacts for us to find somewhere).

"Behold, I come quickly" â??Jesus, almost two thousand frickin years ago, in Revelations 22:7

[Warlock]

Who is they? They, the people who believe in Christ, who live in your english town? English Cable TV?

No, the people in many english churches, on english TV with American channels. Don;t try to convince me christians are different, because they're not. They're all idiots, just the severity of it differs sometimes.

[Ousted]

I never suggested I knew everything, I have experienced ALL I NEED to experience to know that christians are scum.
Every single one has a day to day battle with resisting "sin", & they struggle, they are all idiots because of this, & so many more reasons. They battle urges to do what is so natural. What fucking morons.

If you know everything you need to know based on your experiences with christians than why do you bother arguing with them? Why do you bother getting angry over them? If you know everything there is to know about those with faith you would know that carrying on about how moronic, idiotic, and scummy they are will affect them and their beliefs to no degree, in fact your carrying on with insults will only cause them to defend their beliefs further. Is that the result you're hoping to gain? For them to form a tighter grip on their beliefs you find to be so moronic?
Thats what makes me conclude that you must not know everything there is to know, cuz if you did know everything you needed to know you would understand that arguing and insulting their faith is futile, it will not get the results you want.
When you allow room for understanding, compassion, acceptance and tolerance of other people, they will then be more willing to listen to your beliefs with an open-mind...only with that kind of attitude and respect of other people will you be able to shift people's beliefs.

[weirdo79]

The prophecy came true? The prophecy of the END OF THE WORLD came true? How could that possibly be, if we still exist? If Jesus said something was going to happen, and it didn't, he is a false prophet. Period. It doesn't matter if "Satan" (which you also have no proof for) screwed things up; Jesus/God/whatever should have easily forseen that what with knowing everything.

Also, I doubt Moses ever existed. We just don't have any archaeological or historical evidence at all of somebody named Moses, or of Jews being enslaved in Egypt and then wandering around in the desert for 40 years (you'd think they'd have dropped a couple artifacts for us to find somewhere).

"Behold, I come quickly" â??Jesus, almost two thousand frickin years ago, in Revelations 22:7


Thankfully someone said it(Thank you Ermi)......Especially the part about Moses/Jews/Egypt....Not to mention the bible gets the Pharoah's of each time period totally off(it's not like the egyptians kept detailed records or anything.....)I wonder how many archeologists roll their eyes everytime they hear about that. Personally I still can't keep a straight face when anyone tells me about those particularly myths. That and the walls of Jericho.....
:D

[Warlock]

If you know everything you need to know based on your experiences with christians than why do you bother arguing with them? Why do you bother getting angry over them? If you know everything there is to know about those with faith you would know that carrying on about how moronic, idiotic, and scummy they are will affect them and their beliefs to no degree, in fact your carrying on with insults will only cause them to defend their beliefs further. Is that the result you're hoping to gain? For them to form a tighter grip on their beliefs you find to be so moronic?
Thats what makes me conclude that you must not know everything there is to know, cuz if you did know everything you needed to know you would understand that arguing and insulting their faith is futile, it will not get the results you want.
I never said I knew everything!!!
I said I know everything I need to know! I even capsed it in the other post. Fucking hell


When you allow room for understanding, compassion, acceptance and tolerance of other people, they will then be more willing to listen to your beliefs with an open-mind...only with that kind of attitude and respect of other people will you be able to shift people's beliefs.


I don't think so. You lot are taught that Satanists worship Satan, you're taught all the wrong facts about a lot of things. Like X-mas being a christian holiday, I'm afraid it isn't... it's a pagan celebration, & just like many other holidays & celebrations the christians took it over.
There's gonna be no open mind there.

[Ousted]

I never said I knew everything!!!
I said I know everything I need to know! I even capsed it in the other post. Fucking hell

Um, thats exactly what I said. So, fucking hell back.


If you know everything you need to know based on your experiences

See?



I don't think so. You lot are taught that Satanists worship Satan, you're taught all the wrong facts about a lot of things. Like X-mas being a christian holiday, I'm afraid it isn't... it's a pagan celebration, & just like many other holidays & celebrations the christians took it over.
There's gonna be no open mind there.

Thats really unfortunate for you, but good luck with that!

[Warlock]

Um, thats exactly what I said. So, fucking hell back.

[QUOTE] If you know everything there is to know about those with faith you would know that carrying on about how moronic


See?! Numbnuts!

[Ousted]

See?! Numbnuts!

You're right. I apologize for assuming you would be interested in intellectual growth. If being stagnant is what you're satisfied with, and your current intellect is what you feel is good enough to be armed with when facing a debate, who am I to criticize! :p

So I'll just go on my way, and you can go on stupefying others with your experience-based conclusions.

Truce? :cool:

[Warlock]

You're right. I apologize for assuming you would be interested in intellectual growth. If being stagnant is what you're satisfied with, and your current intellect is what you feel is good enough to be armed with when facing a debate, who am I to criticize! :p

So I'll just go on my way, and you can go on stupefying others with your experience-based conclusions.

Truce? :cool:

Intellectual growth? From people that follow a note pad of lies? I think not

[Euphoric]

hhhaha u crzy kids..

Have you found Christ? Try searching for Him at the Big 'Ol Booty Bonanza! http://www.fadetoblack.com/christ/christ2.htm

[beachguy in thongs]

No, the people in many english churches, on english TV with American channels. Don;t try to convince me christians are different, because they're not. They're all idiots, just the severity of it differs sometimes.

I don't care what you think. But, all the TV shows on American TV, I don't watch. I mean the church ones.

Do any other Americans watch church on TV?

[beachguy in thongs]

You're right. I apologize for assuming you would be interested in intellectual growth.

I don't care who you said that too, but, Warlock, you gotta admit that's a very funny sentence.

[Ousted]

Intellectual growth? From people that follow a note pad of lies? I think not

Well, I myself am an atheist, so Im sure you're not referring to me...but you're really uninterested in intellectual growth? Really?



























Really?




I guess my frustration stems from that I do believe the things you have stated thus far (other than general classification and generalizations, however), but your approach is counterproductive to getting the results you and I would want. That alone is the only problem I have with the things you have said in this thread and others. Just as a down-to-earth christian would have a problem with someone claiming to be christian while threatening to blow up an abortion clinic would have representing them and their beliefs, I have similiar hesitance with someone with an approach such as yourself representing beliefs I have.

I hope you can understand my intention when addressing this issue, even if I wasn't very clear up until this point.

[Kokujin X]

Christians go out on a Friday & Saturday night & have sex with girls, then go to church on Sunday & repent.
Hypocritical little bastards. The reason I picked this one of your posts to reply to is because its the only one that has any truth to it. We can agree on something, a lot of Christians do not act as one should. This is simply because of their sin, as with all man though. A lot of "mainstream" christians as I have heard them called before, believe that eternal salvation is a license to sin per se. It frusterates me to no end to see the name of Christians tarnished, but part of this is because of how Satan perverses things. Its a sign of the end, a lot of false hope in God among people, believing many are saved when in actuallity, they are not. A true christian wants to obey God. To tell you the truth, Religion should be killed. It is not God and his word that cause (christian specific) problems today, its mainstream christians who follow Religion blindly basing their descisions on matters such as Homosexuality, on no other reason then because in a word, the bible says no to this. Rather then trying to comprehend and learn the real word of God, lots of people are tricked (once again, sign of the end of times) into believing that all they need to do is pretend that Jesus died for thier sins (Because in the bible, it says accepting jesus is how people are saved). What is misinterpritated, is the fact that this is the first step. Scripture indicates in many areas that obeying is conditional for salvation. Now, dont misunderstand that aswell. The truth is that any person who WANTS salvation will be transformed from their lives of sin to something more pleasing to God. The fact of the matter is, Mainstream christians (a percent) are no better then aithists. They go about not obeying God, living in sin. The only thing that is diffrent is the fact they will rule out certain issues, such as abortion, just because the bible says so. To tell you the truth, the only books of the bible I have covered is Revolations, Jude and Genesis. I pray for the information I need to serv God and in return, I have been revealing answers for almost everything in my life. If you want to go about with being a Christian, I suggest you actually ask the Lord for salvation through Jesus and to pray for the strength to repent (to actually repent) Read the bible and look for answers yourself. The path to salvation is not one that is to be taken with loads of people. Its a personal path, in which you gain spiritual strength and a close relationship to our God. Seriously, don't be so fast to dismiss God. Its worth eternal life. I remember before I took God seriously, I thought "How can these people seriously say they have a relationship with god? Its all in their heads." But it isn't. If you gave it a chance, you would see yourself, its real. God reveals himself to people all the time, its just that peoples lives of sin blind them from the truth. When looking for a church, move around from one to the next until you are able to find a true church of christ, with real believers attending. That is if you wish, you can do everything thats needed on your own.

[F L E S H]

The Four Errors.
Man has been reared by his errors: first he never saw himself other than imperfectly, second he attributed to himself imaginary qualities, third he felt himself in a false order of rank with animal and nature, fourth he continually invented new tables of values and for a time took each of them to be eternal and unconditional, so that now this, now that human drive and state took first place and was, as a consequence of this evaluation, ennobled. If one deducts the effects of these four errors, one has also deducted away humanity, humaneness and 'human dignity'.

Good stuff.

[JOINTMASTER5]

i think it depends on waht u want wen u die, sometimes i think u can die, but choose to live after that in your own universe or own world where uc an explore EVEYRHTING

[twentysac]

I also think religion is bullshit. Think about it. If you killed someone your mom loves u enough to forgive you. WOuldnt God forgive you. WOuld he send you to hell for all eternity for something you did on ur 80 years here?

thats the thing. God does forgive you. i mean, your mom dosen't just say i forgive you when you do something fucked up, you apologize first. same way with the big guy, all he wants is an im sorry

[PureEvil760]

n/t

[PureEvil760]

Just merge with the white light when you die. That line always sounded cleshe' to me until I read Jesus's explanation. It appears there really is a white light that you get 2 chances to merge with, if you dont, you end up in some fantacy world on the astral plane until you can rise above that.

[couch-potato]

I'm tired so I'm going to copy+paste a bunch of shit from the internet without citations.

1: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

2: Let us suppose that this perfect God did create the universe. Humans were the crown of his creation, since they were created in God's image and have the ability to make decisions. However, these humans spoiled the original perfection by choosing to disobey God.
What!? If something is perfect, nothing imperfect can come from it. Someone once said that bad fruit cannot come from a good tree, and yet this "perfect" God created a "perfect" universe which was rendered imperfect by the "perfect" humans. The ultimate source of imperfection is God. What is perfect cannot become imperfect, so humans must have been created imperfect. What is perfect cannot create anything imperfect, so God must be imperfect to have created these imperfect humans. A perfect God who creates imperfect humans is impossible.

3: God is omniscient. When he created the universe, he saw the sufferings which humans would endure as a result of the sin of those original humans. He heard the screams of the damned. Surely he would have known that it would have been better for those humans to never have been born (in fact, the Bible says this very thing), and surely this all-compassionate deity would have foregone the creation of a universe destined to imperfection in which many of the humans were doomed to eternal suffering. A perfectly compassionate being who creates beings which he knows are doomed to suffer is impossible.


4: A God who knows everything cannot have emotions. The Bible says that God experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness. We humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge. A man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden. In contrast, the omniscient God is ignorant of nothing. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react.
We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent God, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect God lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible.

[peacetrain]

If I had to guess, I'd say when you die you're in the same state you were before you were born. If you want to call that non-existence, whatever. But I suppose anything could happen...except heaven/hell...that's an obvious human invention.

[jdmarcus59]

I also think religion is bullshit. Think about it. If you killed someone your mom loves u enough to forgive you. WOuldnt God forgive you. WOuld he send you to hell for all eternity for something you did on ur 80 years here?
God forgives anyone who asks, Jesus came into the world not to condem
the world, but to save the world through Him..