Quick thought..

[GHoSToKeR]

I jus saw mellow mood's signature ("It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom"), which is a quote by Bill Hicks, and it got me thinking. Perhaps the War On Drugs isn't what we think it is. I'll explain what I mean...

Hitler controlled millions of people by either scaring the shit out of them or by promising them a better future. He did it blatantly and obviously, and what he did was wrong. The whole world saw it was wrong and stopped him. There have been loads of other instances where governments have tried to control people by different means, and alot of the time they get stopped because people see that it is wrong.

So maybe the War On Drugs, in reality, has nothing to do with drugs. Maybe it's just a test, a test to see if we can be made to control ourselves, to see how much we will take, how many freedoms we can be convinced to give up. Make drugs be looked down up by society, and society will try to get rid of them, whether it's infringing on our personal freedoms or not.

I'm too stoned to type out the rest of what I mean, and I got distracted... I don't think what I have typed makes much sense, but i'll assume that it does and that you get the point.

If you think about the War On Drugs like this it makes the Cannabis movement even more vital. Not only are we 'fighting' for our right to do whatever the fuck we want as long as it doesn't harm anyone, we're also telling the decision makers that we can see through all their lies and 'tests'. If we say NO to this, and say it loudly, then they'll get the message that they can't push us around for much longer.

Okay, I give up.. May try and re-type/think later. :)

[420purplehaze420]

thats so true the government is basically scaring the shit out of us by saying all this bull shit like LSD drains your spinal fluid, and there has been studies that show this is untrue, so we have been scared,realized it is wrong so...whats the next step?

[duckofdeath]

when freedom is taken by force it can be taken back by force. When freedom is given up willingly, it can never be regained. ...... drugs are worth more money when they're illegal why would the government give that up?

[F L E S H]

when freedom is taken by force it can be taken back by force. When freedom is given up willingly, it can never be regained. ...... drugs are worth more money when they're illegal why would the government give that up?
Booyah. Good answer,

[Canadabis]

Yes ghost but keep this in mind.
Being trapped by knowing that, seeing it for what it is, and being FORCED to manipulate poeple into fighting against a "wrong" socio-political controll tool.
To make poeple do what is right for them means making them do what I want them to do?
I dont want to manipulate people into defensing themselves, im so offended the governments and organisations of this world put such an imposition upon me, and other thinking people to manipulate the people around us into a counter culture or to go without things we want. Id really ratehr be left alone, able to get what I want when I want it, without having to manipulate people into providing an environment that supports it.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR that sucks!
Stupid people being unable to defend themselves from their own petty little fears.

[duckofdeath]

right on, leave me alone! i do what i want bitch!

[yeskamaster]

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
:confused:

[Funkamander]

There was a quote on the wall in my World History class.

"What luck for rulers, that men do not think."
- Hitler

[Omun]

I didn't read the whole thread, but what's really sad about this war on drugs is that there are people out here in hickville (where I am currently going to college) who actually but this Government propoganda.

[Omun]

sorry about the double post, but I meant to say "...who actually believe this Government propaganda." sorry again for this double post.

[mellowman420]

i both agree and dis-agree. yes the war weed stupid because over-all this war has done more harm than good for us as a nation i believe, but as for most other drugs i believe they should be illegal. even drugs that are not very bad for your health still poss a threat if they were legalized because some poeple can't handle being on them and do stupid shit and can you imagine how fucked up the roads would be if there were people on the roads tripping out (like in fear and loathing). i mean that movies funny and all but it shows how bad drugs like acid and what not can fuck up your life and what not. even with weed i hate how its illegal but there are some poeple that i am glad do not smoke weed. the thing that pisses me off the most about the war on drugs is that weed is illegal when you can't kill yourself on weed but you easily can on booze and salvia is legal but that stuff fucks you up way more than weed. i just think if some drugs are going to be illegal than all drugs should be illegal. but over-all the war on drugs is def. for the safety of the publis there are a lot of drugs out there that do nothing but ruining poeples lifes. sorry if this was too long just had to get that off my chest.

[tokosan]

^^^use paragraphs /grammar nazi mode off

Yep, our freedoms will be slowly taken away from us untill we are discontent. Thats when the shit hits the fan. They want us to have as little freedoms as possible while still remaining trusting, loyal, and productive citizens.

o and please dont say its bush, its all leaders of all countries. its human nature

[ermitonto]

I don't see why any drug should be considered illegal. We should all have the ability to do whatever we want to do with our own bodies. That's why we're fighting against the weed laws, and we should extend that to all substances, since it's not a crime if nobody gets hurt except for, potentially, the willing participants.

The argument that it would cause chaos on the roads is fallacious. People don't stop doing drugs just because they're illegal. Any pot smoker should know that for any drug the demand just doesn't go down with government intervention in our lives. The supply is just moved into an underground black market, sometimes involving violent criminals, instead. Drug use has gone up substantially throughout the whole War on Drugs, so it's obvious to anyone with a working brain that treating addictions as crimes rather than as a public health problem isn't doing jack shit.

The main reason intoxication causes death on the roads is not so much that we have these intoxicating substances in our society, but rather that our society has devised its transportation system in such a way that we get ordinary and often incompetent people controlling individual metal boxes at high speeds all over the place, rather than some mode of collective transportation which would be far more fuel-efficient, safer and less harmful to the environment. The promotion of the automobile as the chief mode of transportation was done primarily to profit large and influential corporations such as those involved in automobile manufacturing (a lot more money can be made selling every family a car every few years than by running an efficient public transportation service) and petroleum (same idea, consumption and thus demand go way up when everybody drives individual vehicles).

It's a simple fact that automobiles are more profitable to corporations, which is the only reason any large-scale projects happen under capitalism, and that is why we have them, even though they are extremely inefficient and unsafe especially when compared with alternative possibilities for transportation networks. We do not need to abolish drugs to stop the resulting car crashes from happening; we should abolish the car-based transportation network. No matter what you try to do, people anywhere will be at varying levels of consciousness. Some will be alert, some will be tired, some will be distracted, some will be sober, some will be stoned, some will be drunk, some will be angry, and some will be just plain stupid. You get the idea. Perhaps it would be a better idea to put our transportation in the hands of trained professionals (who would of course lose their job if found working while intoxicated), rather than making all those people of varying levels of competence careen around really fast in their own big iron boxes if they want to get from point A to point B.

[rajking86]

^^You need to publish that man!

[tokosan]

agreed. often I am driving and I think "are half the people I see competent enough to be piloting this massive hunk of metal?

Welcome to real life. Grab ur gun and hold it tight.

[Kid Dynamite]

i think all drugs should be legal, not because i dont accept the dangers involved, but i beleive that people should be given the right to choose what they want to do to themselves.

[tokosan]

wow, k

[Stedric]

Hitler controlled millions of people by either scaring the shit out of them or by promising them a better future. He did it blatantly and obviously, and what he did was wrong. The whole world saw it was wrong and stopped him.


Actually, the whole world didn't see it was wrong. The whole world could care less about the Jews and what was going on in Germany. The war only started because Germany started expanding its borders.

My dad was a history teacher, so I'm anal about these kind of things.

[GHoSToKeR]

Okay, so I was a little off the mark. What I meant was that, from the perspective of somebody living today, Hitler tried and failed. That's what I was getting at. :)

[Stedric]

Yeah man you make a good point I wasn't trying to put you down or anything.

[duckofdeath]

I'm not sure about about making every drug legal...but did you know that the dea has the power to mandate what drugs are legal and what drugs are illicit (schudule 1). Thanks to Nixon it no longer takes an act of congress to declare a drug's legality. So if you are a big pharmecutical corporation you pay the gov money to okay your drug. People do drugs , they have for centuries, the government wants you to buy their drugs and make money or sieze property from "'illicit" drug users dealers growers or what have you. I am just mad that a natural herb with medicinal properties and psychotropic abilities is illegal. Pot is better than half these perscription drugs out there! and it's better for you. It comes from the Earth not from a bunch of chemicals in a corporate lab! put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!

[g04m0441]

pot is good for you?!neva heard that b4..
so tell me then, why is pot illegal?whats the reasoning behind it for surel there must be sum (apparently) justifiable excuse?

[GHoSToKeR]

I never claim that weed is good for you (though there is evidence that it is). I don't think it's pros and cons matter in the slightest. What matters is that it is not the job of the government to decide if we choose to partake in "victimless crimes". That is to say, there should be no such thing as a consensual crime.

[g04m0441]

then what about coke or ecstacy. surely you would also classify the intake of these drugs as the same class as simply smoking a joint?would these not also be considered 'consensual crimes'? its not that im against it, just tryin to get a better understanding...

[unmeg]

If Drugs where legal what would the DEA do?
Get real jobs,lol

[duckofdeath]

the reason that it is illegal is because of many reasons, 1 racism minorities (mexicans) brought the custom to the us white people used this as a way to control them or oppression. 2 Henry Anslinger was the drug czar from the 1920's -the 60's he hated pot. ANy way there is a couple reasons..... you should rent the movie grass and find out more for your self. It is a history of pot in the us! also i thought what i wrote before in this thread waere some reasons too.

[g04m0441]

well, i think i havnt been goofd/stoned/high for about two weeks in th last 3years...
drugs r great(but FUKEN scary!)
any1 experienced any south african ganja?swazi?transkei?rooibaart?
(im from sa by the way