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Psycho4Bud
08-30-2005, 11:33 AM
U.N. Official Faults U.S. AIDS Policy

He said the AIDS program in Uganda has three main components: abstinence, faithfulness to a sexual partner and condom use.

A shortage of condoms in Uganda has developed because both the government of the east African country and its primary donor for HIV prevention, the United States, have allowed condom supplies to dwindle. At the same time, they have allocated an increasing proportion of funding for HIV programs to religious groups that oppose condom use, said a report by the Center for Health and Gender Equity.
http://www.leadingthecharge.com/stories/news-0065558.html

Now let me get this straight. Out of all the countries of the United Nations it's up to Uncle Sam to provide Uganda with free rubbers? Since when?
Damn, I fuck too, how bout giving out some of that shit to me....hell, I PAY TAXES!!!

Next damn thing will be that we aren't "humane" enough cause the damn things weren't ribbed for her pleasure.
BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! :D

amsterdam
08-30-2005, 01:18 PM
i wonder if the U.N. will donate money to the people hit by the hurricane,maybe help them fix their flooded homes?help clean up like we did with the tsunami?doubt it.

thats why Bolton is now at the anti semitic U.N..

F L E S H
08-30-2005, 08:14 PM
idiots.

bhallg2k
08-30-2005, 08:19 PM
Uncle Sam had been providing Uganda and many other African nations with condoms and other contraceptives to fight HIV and AIDS. But since W. and the morality police took office, those particular donations have basically stopped.

What you're reading about is people who just don't know what to do because things have so drastically changed. They're stuck.

And by the way, the U.S. would never, ever, ever allow U.N. relief workers to assist in the hurricane aftermath. It's a sign of weakness.

(Yes, we are that political.)

nicholasstanko
08-30-2005, 09:25 PM
Uncle Sam had been providing Uganda and many other African nations with condoms and other contraceptives to fight HIV and AIDS. But since W. and the morality police took office, those particular donations have basically stopped.

What you're reading about is people who just don't know what to do because things have so drastically changed. They're stuck.

And by the way, the U.S. would never, ever, ever allow U.N. relief workers to assist in the hurricane aftermath. It's a sign of weakness.

(Yes, we are that political.)


well...politicians ARE assholes.

Psycho4Bud
08-30-2005, 09:47 PM
idiots.

Alright Canada, Why is it up to the Imperialists in the United States to supply Africa with rubbers? Whats wrong with your country you cheap bitch? Is that to harsh...Sorry! :D You cheap idiot! :D

GHoSToKeR
08-31-2005, 12:50 AM
idiots.
Great minds think alike, man.. lol

Psycho4Bud
08-31-2005, 01:34 AM
Great minds think alike, man.. lol

Oh I agree 100%! Between you and Flesh you were able to form six whole words regarding the topic. VERY GOOOOOOD. :D


BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :D

GHoSToKeR
08-31-2005, 01:46 AM
LOL, touche.

Okay, so regarding the topic...

I think that if America (led by the Bush Administration), would like to appear as the world's one and only superpower, defender of freedom and democracy, destroyer of tyranny, communism, fascism and despotism, and as the most financially, economically, morally and militarily dominant country in the world, well, then, I think it can afford to send some condoms over to a poor country full of dying people.

F L E S H
08-31-2005, 02:19 AM
LOL, touche.

Okay, so regarding the topic...

I think that if America (led by the Bush Administration), would like to appear as the world's one and only superpower, defender of freedom and democracy, destroyer of tyranny, communism, fascism and despotism, and as the most financially, economically, morally and militarily dominant country in the world, well, then, I think it can afford to send some condoms over to a poor country full of dying people.
Yeah, but that's if, and only if, W. realizes that teaching abstinence is a complete waste of time. Like it's working so well over here...

Psycho4Bud
08-31-2005, 02:39 AM
LOL, touche.

Okay, so regarding the topic...

I think that if America (led by the Bush Administration), would like to appear as the world's one and only superpower, defender of freedom and democracy, destroyer of tyranny, communism, fascism and despotism, and as the most financially, economically, morally and militarily dominant country in the world, well, then, I think it can afford to send some condoms over to a poor country full of dying people.

Putting it that way almost gets me to send a box of Trojans myself. But come on, really, is the U.S. the only rubber manufacturer in the world? There's going to come a time when the well runs dry. With a debt of over 7 trillion and a GNP of 11 trillion we're getting close!!

Psycho4Bud
08-31-2005, 02:42 AM
Yeah, but that's if, and only if, W. realizes that teaching abstinence is a complete waste of time. Like it's working so well over here...

Politicians have a hard enough time keeping their dicks in their pants. How should they expect someone else should? I'm with ya, why teach abstinence, teach safe sex.

Breukelen advocaat
08-31-2005, 03:02 AM
http://aids.about.com/cs/aidsfactsheets/a/africa.htm

The news is sobering. In fact it is down right frightening. A new report from the United Nations says that AIDS will kill half of all 15 year olds in Zimbabwe, Botswana, and South Africa if something is not done soon. The report goes on to say that about 24 million people in Sub-Sahara Africa are living with HIV. So why is the epidemic raging out of control in Africa and other undeveloped countries? Several factors are contributing to this tragedy.

????To combat this lack of funds, the United Nations is urging developed countries to fund the war on HIV. Experts place the cost of containing the epidemic to be approximately $4 billion.*


Cultural Differences
A big barrier to containing the HIV virus is cultural differences that make fighting the disease all that much more difficult. In some African populations, multiple sexual partners is expected as part of cultural expression. This increases the risk of transmission because of the shear number of sexual contacts, most of them between parties who are unaware they are infected.

Complacency
In Africa alone, more than 11 million people have died as a result of AIDS. Yet, South African President Thabo Mbeki denounces HIV as the cause of AIDS, saying that nothing has been proven that links the two. Instead, Mbeki is representative of a growing number of people that feel HIV drugs themselves may be the cause of AIDS. This stance has made it more difficult to educate the general population on the importance of medicines in fighting HIV and AIDS.
Oddly enough, the success of HIV medications is also contributing in a small part to the African epidemic. Complacency has led to a rise in unprotected sex, both heterosexual and among gay men. People have seen the success of medications and feel that if infected, a few pills is not a large price to pay for spontaneity. This state of mind can and will have huge ramifications.
So the epidemic rages on. Some experts expect two thirds of the Sub-Sahara population will eventually be wiped out by AIDS. A sobering thought indeed. While there have been a few successes in the region, AIDS continues it's devastating attack on a population, a culture, a people. Changes have to be made soon...while there is still time

*Hey Bud, got a spare 4 billion?

GHoSToKeR
08-31-2005, 03:28 AM
Putting it that way almost gets me to send a box of Trojans myself. Wow. I actually got somebody to think about something from a slightly different point of view for a second. My work is done. :D

I'm going to be honest with you, I don't know enough about this subject to have much of an opinion.. I could read up on it, but alas, I am too stoned (listening to Dark Side of the Moon.. so happy.. lol):D. I agree with you that it shouldn't just be America being blamed for this.. any country that isn't helping should be blamed. It's a disgrase that with all these modern resources we are so proud of we still have things such as famine and AIDs epidemics going on. No one individual or even one country can be blamed.. the whole 'civilised' words is to blame for not doing enough about it.

F L E S H, the sad thing is that there are alot of people who will never realise that teaching abstinence is pointless. They're the same people who will never legalise Cannabis. :)

Mojavpa
08-31-2005, 04:59 AM
Putting it that way almost gets me to send a box of Trojans myself. But come on, really, is the U.S. the only rubber manufacturer in the world? There's going to come a time when the well runs dry. With a debt of over 7 trillion and a GNP of 11 trillion we're getting close!!


Maybe if we didnt spend billions occupying Iraq then we could have allocated some of that the money to deal with real problems, like the AIDS crisis.

Breukelen advocaat
08-31-2005, 05:25 AM
Maybe if we didnt spend billions occupying Iraq then we could have allocated some of that the money to deal with real problems, like the AIDS crisis.

Why can't Africa build their own goddamn factory that manufactures rubbers? Why are "we" supposed to fund everything? Is it THAT hard to do, especially in a country that has a corner of the market of the raw materials? I am sure that we could send some advisors to show them how to do it. The future of many societies in Africa depends on their willingness to help themselves.

The areas in the U.S. that were worst hut by the Hurricane are our biggest "crisis" right now.

bhallg2k
08-31-2005, 06:06 AM
Why can't Africa build their own goddamn factory that manufactures rubbers? Why are "we" supposed to fund everything? Is it THAT hard to do, especially in a country that has a corner of the market of the raw materials? I am sure that we could send some advisors to show them how to do it. The future of many societies in Africa depends on their willingness to help themselves.

The areas in the U.S. that were worst hut by the Hurricane are our biggest "crisis" right now.

While everyone sympathizes with the plight of those who were affected by the hurricane, most Africans live their lives on a daily basis in conditions that are immeasurably worse.

The fact of the matter is that without serious outside help, only a handful of countries in Africa are in a position to truly help themselves. The deck really is stacked against them.

Breukelen advocaat
08-31-2005, 10:54 AM
While everyone sympathizes with the plight of those who were affected by the hurricane, most Africans live their lives on a daily basis in conditions that are immeasurably worse.

The fact of the matter is that without serious outside help, only a handful of countries in Africa are in a position to truly help themselves. The deck really is stacked against them.

We have to take care of our own first, and we now have the worst national disaster in our nation's history.

We give plenty of aid. This is an extremly inappropriate time to talk about giving condoms to make sure that they can safely have as many sexual partners as they want in Africa because multiple sexual partnerships is part of their "culture". If their leaders are going to tell them that there is no relationship between AIDS and HIV, not use some of their rubber to make condoms, refuse to start digging up and selling some oil, etc., then there's nothing we can do. We're wasting our time and money. Just accept the fact that we can't change the world.

As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

Nicoli
08-31-2005, 01:10 PM
U.N. Official Faults U.S. AIDS Policy

He said the AIDS program in Uganda has three main components: abstinence, faithfulness to a sexual partner and condom use.

A shortage of condoms in Uganda has developed because both the government of the east African country and its primary donor for HIV prevention, the United States, have allowed condom supplies to dwindle. At the same time, they have allocated an increasing proportion of funding for HIV programs to religious groups that oppose condom use, said a report by the Center for Health and Gender Equity.
http://www.leadingthecharge.com/stories/news-0065558.html

Now let me get this straight. Out of all the countries of the United Nations it's up to Uncle Sam to provide Uganda with free rubbers? Since when?
Damn, I fuck too, how bout giving out some of that shit to me....hell, I PAY TAXES!!!

Next damn thing will be that we aren't "humane" enough cause the damn things weren't ribbed for her pleasure.
BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! :D

If we produced rubbers just for Africa there'd probably still be a shortage. What Africa needs is a decent re-usable condom. I mean I am sorry but here in America we don't have the infrastructure to support all that fucking.

GHoSToKeR
08-31-2005, 02:13 PM
We have to take care of our own first
Ah ha! Here lies the problem! You've summed up the whole problem in one small, compact little sentence! Well done! Give yourself a cookie!

The moment people stop thinking like that is the moment humanity really starts to help itself. I understand why you think we have to "take care of our own" first.. you've been indoctrined to think like that from the moment you could watch TV. But, and excuse my hippyness for a second, don't you think that that ideology could be inclusive of the whole human race? I could use the same sentence, but I would be meaning to help the whole human race before worrying about going in to space, building a big military, etc.. We spend so much time worrying about trivial things that we never really help "our own", just the people around us. Why are Americans more important than Africans? If you can answer that with an honest, thoughtful response then i'll be astounded.

F L E S H
08-31-2005, 02:57 PM
Politicians have a hard enough time keeping their dicks in their pants. How should they expect someone else should? I'm with ya, why teach abstinence, teach safe sex.
I'm still reeling from the fact we agreed on something :D

Psycho4Bud
08-31-2005, 03:06 PM
I'm still reeling from the fact we agreed on something :D

YOU TOO!!! Damn, I thought I just smoked to much last night!!! Have a good one dude!! :D

Breukelen advocaat
08-31-2005, 11:56 PM
Ah ha! Here lies the problem! You've summed up the whole problem in one small, compact little sentence! Well done! Give yourself a cookie!

The moment people stop thinking like that is the moment humanity really starts to help itself. I understand why you think we have to "take care of our own" first.. you've been indoctrined to think like that from the moment you could watch TV. But, and excuse my hippyness for a second, don't you think that that ideology could be inclusive of the whole human race? I could use the same sentence, but I would be meaning to help the whole human race before worrying about going in to space, building a big military, etc.. We spend so much time worrying about trivial things that we never really help "our own", just the people around us. Why are Americans more important than Africans? If you can answer that with an honest, thoughtful response then i'll be astounded.

I am not "indoctrinated" to think anything. If those people (yeah, I know) have nothing better to do than fuck multiple partners all day, use voodoo rather than science, and spread STD and HIV to each other, then the spread of disease is their own fault. We have people dying in our own country from our worst natural disaster, and it is more important to help them than waste our time preserving stupid, dangerous traditions in backwards, matrilineal, superstitious societies. As I said, they could start by building a goddamn condom factory ?? but I guess that we??re responsible for that also, according to your logic.

Your utopia is not going to happen anytime soon unless the less fortunate are willing to meet us halfway. If we try to interfere anyway, then you??ll say that we are ??exploiting? them ?? or some other excuse to blame the U.S. for other people??s stupidity.

These countries cannot function, to a large degree, because there is no ??family? system in their social stratum. The women have children by multiple men, and the men slack off and support none of them. The best way for these societies to improve would be by starting to put traditional patriarchal values into their young people??s heads ?? but that will get shot down by the wrong-headed ??feminists?, socialistic herd-followers, and multi-cultural proponents.

Ya just can??t win! If we try to help, they stone us. If we lay back, we get blasted. We have enough problems over here, and at least we have the desire to help ourselves.

GHoSToKeR
09-01-2005, 12:08 AM
While reading through your post I was wondering "How can anybody be so ignorant?", but then I saw this;

"These countries cannot function, to a large degree, because there is no ??family? system in their social strata."

..and it made it all clear for me.

You can say whatever you want; that they have to help themselves, that they are lazy, whatever.. but without help how are they going to overcome famine, poverty, disease and despotism without the economical or political help from countries with the ability to do so? I'm not blaming the US, as I said earlier, i'm blaming every country (and person) who is in a position to help but doesn't. You can't just say "Well, we've got problems of our own" because trust me, no matter how bad your current problems are they are nowhere near as bad as the problems these people go through every fucking day. The difference is that you have the means and the ability to help yourselves.

Breukelen advocaat
09-01-2005, 12:49 AM
While reading through your post I was wondering "How can anybody be so ignorant?", but then I saw this;

"These countries cannot function, to a large degree, because there is no ??family? system in their social strata."

..and it made it all clear for me.

You can say whatever you want; that they have to help themselves, that they are lazy, whatever.. but without help how are they going to overcome famine, poverty, disease and despotism without the economical or political help from countries with the ability to do so? I'm not blaming the US, as I said earlier, i'm blaming every country (and person) who is in a position to help but doesn't. You can't just say "Well, we've got problems of our own" because trust me, no matter how bad your current problems are they are nowhere near as bad as the problems these people go through every fucking day. The difference is that you have the means and the ability to help yourselves.

The worst "current problems" in our country is the death and destruction from the hurricanes. The problems that "these people (poor Africans) go through every fucking day" are to a large degree their own fault. The women that are having multiple children by shiftless men mostly cause the poverty and suffering. We have it here, also. My solution, in the U.S., would be to stop all welfare for "single moms", unless they are widowed, disabled, or were badly abused. No men should have to pay child support to a woman that they were never married to, unless they want to. The custody of children should go to the father, in the event of a divorce. If he does not take them, or a responsible family does not step in, then they go to an orphanage. This would cut down on the divorce rate, in the cases of marriages with children, by a very large percentage. It would cut down on juvenile crime drastically. This is the way it was in Europe, during the greatest human advancements that the world has ever seen. Switzerland and Japan have similar systems, with very low divorce rates, well behaved children, and good benefits.

It's a pity that people have such disdain for men's roles - especially the men themselves. A single mother and her kid(s) is not a "family" - and the sooner we realize that this is the cause of most of societies ills, the faster we can move forward.

Men are "indoctrinated" to despise themselves, and the man-hating "feminists" have won, to a large degree. If Hillary "It takes a Village Idiot" Clinton becomes president, it's going to be a sorry day in U.S. history.

Mojavpa
09-01-2005, 01:27 AM
I am not "indoctrinated" to think anything. If those people (yeah, I know) have nothing better to do than fuck multiple partners all day, use voodoo rather than science, and spread STD and HIV to each other, then the spread of disease is their own fault. We have people dying in our own country from our worst natural disaster, and it is more important to help them than waste our time preserving stupid, dangerous traditions in backwards, matrilineal, superstitious societies. As I said, they could start by building a goddamn condom factory ?? but I guess that we??re responsible for that also, according to your logic.

Your utopia is not going to happen anytime soon unless the less fortunate are willing to meet us halfway. If we try to interfere anyway, then you??ll say that we are ??exploiting? them ?? or some other excuse to blame the U.S. for other people??s stupidity.

These countries cannot function, to a large degree, because there is no ??family? system in their social stratum. The women have children by multiple men, and the men slack off and support none of them. The best way for these societies to improve would be by starting to put traditional patriarchal values into their young people??s heads ?? but that will get shot down by the wrong-headed ??feminists?, socialistic herd-followers, and multi-cultural proponents.

Ya just can??t win! If we try to help, they stone us. If we lay back, we get blasted. We have enough problems over here, and at least we have the desire to help ourselves.

They're backwards? The last time I checked racist ethnocentrists like you were considered backwards.

Many countries in Africa are war ravaged. In some countries boys are abducted from heir families, forced to fight for militants who raid villages and rape girls. This situation is ideal for the virus to spread like crazy.

Do you not understand what a worldwide epidemic is? Can you not comprehend the scope of the matter? Do you not see millions of orphaned children? Not to downplay the hurricane disaster, but in terms of the number of lives lost, there is no comparison. The only thing you see is sex crazed blacks because you're brainwashed by the media.

Mojavpa
09-01-2005, 01:31 AM
[QUOTE=Breukelen advocaat]The worst "current problems" in our country is the death and destruction from the hurricanes. The problems that "these people (poor Africans) go through every fucking day" are to a large degree their own fault. QUOTE]

Even if it is their own fault (which it really isnt) so what? If someone gets skin cancer, should we not care because it was his own fault that he never put on skin screen? Or a heart attack? Was that the person's fault?

GHoSToKeR
09-01-2005, 01:31 AM
Thanks for replying to this guy, Mojavpa. I couldn't do it without getting really angry. I had to delete what I had type about three times because each time I got really pissed off and offensive towards this guy.

Psycho4Bud
09-01-2005, 01:36 AM
They're backwards? The last time I checked racist ethnocentrists like you were considered backwards.

Many countries in Africa are war ravaged. In some countries boys are abducted from heir families, forced to fight for militants who raid villages and rape girls. This situation is ideal for the virus to spread like crazy.

Do you not understand what a worldwide epidemic is? Can you not comprehend the scope of the matter? Do you not see millions of orphaned children? Not to downplay the hurricane disaster, but in terms of the number of lives lost, there is no comparison. The only thing you see is sex crazed blacks because you're brainwashed by the media.

Now lets see if I'm following this. The United Nations wants my tax dollars, though a United States aid program, to be used to buy rubbers for militant abducties that are forced to rape girls. :confused:
Christ I hope not!!! :eek:

Psycho4Bud
09-01-2005, 01:37 AM
Thanks for replying to this guy, Mojavpa. I couldn't do it without getting really angry. I had to delete what I had type about three times because each time I got really pissed off and offensive towards this guy.

Hope I didn't piss ya off!! :D So where the hell do we send the skins?

GHoSToKeR
09-01-2005, 01:45 AM
Skins? I don't get what you mean.. care to ellaborate? lol

Anyway, as far as i'm concerned it doesn't matter who's right or who's wrong in this situation.. These countries need the help of our countries.

Edit: Oh, I get what you mean. Total dumbass moment there, methinks. Uhh.. send em to Africa? lol

Breukelen advocaat
09-01-2005, 03:11 AM
They're backwards? The last time I checked racist ethnocentrists like you were considered backwards.

Many countries in Africa are war ravaged. In some countries boys are abducted from heir families, forced to fight for militants who raid villages and rape girls. This situation is ideal for the virus to spread like crazy.

Do you not understand what a worldwide epidemic is? Can you not comprehend the scope of the matter? Do you not see millions of orphaned children? Not to downplay the hurricane disaster, but in terms of the number of lives lost, there is no comparison. The only thing you see is sex crazed blacks because you're brainwashed by the media.

There is "no comparison", because it is PREVENTABLE and we cannot go into the bedroom, hut, cave, treehouse, igloo or teepee of every living person in the world to force them to take precautions. I am not "brainwashed" by the media or anybody else, and I take exception to your calling me an "ethnocentric racist". If the matrilineal societies, of whatever races, are not "backwards", then who is? I know, in your view everybody is supposedly "equal" and just as rational as the people that have pulled themselves out of poverty, ignorance, superstition and disease. I've got some bad news for you - this just ain't happening yet on this planet, and the sooner people realize that, the better.

"The greatness of Western Civilization is not an 'ethnocentric' prejudice; it is an objective fact." -- Edwin A. Locke, Ph.D.

??Multiculturalism is a growing force in America??s universities and public life. In brief, multiculturalism is the view that all cultures, from that of a spirits-worshiping tribe to that of an advanced industrial civilization, are equal in value.
Since cultures are obviously not equal in value??not if man??s life is your standard of value??this egalitarian doctrine can have only one purpose: to raze the mountaintops. Multiculturalism seeks to obliterate the value of a free, industrialized civilization (which today exists in the West and elsewhere), by declaring that such a civilization is no better than primitive tribalism. More deeply, it seeks to incapacitate a mind??s ability to distinguish good from evil, to distinguish that which is life promoting from that which is life negating.

We are opposed to this destructive doctrine. We hold that moral judgment is essential to life. The ideas and values that animate a particular culture can and should be judged objectively. A culture that values freedom, progress, reason and science, for instance, is good; one that values oppression, stagnation, mysticism, and ignorance is not.? The Ayn Rand Institute. http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=media_topic_multiculturalism

Mojavpa
09-01-2005, 03:28 AM
Now lets see if I'm following this. The United Nations wants my tax dollars, though a United States aid program, to be used to buy rubbers for militant abducties that are forced to rape girls. :confused:
Christ I hope not!!! :eek:

No, I never said that. I'm just giving one of the reasons how a virus can get transmitted in the first place. Suppose you have an HIV infected militant who rapes a married woman who gives the virus to her husband, who then might give it to someone else. This is one of the reasons women as well as men are taught how to properly use condoms.

Frankly, prevention is essential, but no one has talked about saving the people who are already infected. If it was up to me, US tax dollars would go to purchasing AIDS drugs for the millions of people who cant afford them, since the big evil drug companies arent helping. Maybe we should force the companies to! Ghostoker may not be a communist, but I guess part of me is. lol

I mean, its a matter of profit versus saving people from a horrible death. I dont care if Merck or Pfizer loses millions of dollars if millions of people are saved.

Oh, and dont say they need that money for research to find cancer cures, because billions of dollars are spent on erectile dysfunction medicines instead. The government should at least have a say in what is researched.

Mojavpa
09-01-2005, 03:33 AM
Thanks for replying to this guy, Mojavpa. I couldn't do it without getting really angry. I had to delete what I had type about three times because each time I got really pissed off and offensive towards this guy.

No prob. But you should read this guy's last post. Scary stuff. If Torog represents the social conservative, this guy is definately the neo-con of the bunch.

Breukelen advocaat
09-01-2005, 05:47 AM
No prob. But you should read this guy's last post. Scary stuff. If Torog represents the social conservative, this guy is definately the neo-con of the bunch.

You wrote, "this guy is definately the neo-con of the bunch". This is hiarious!

Here is part of a reply that I received from a conservative person, on another web message board, in response to my opinions about the child sex-abuse scandals in the Catholic Church:

"This is what I infer from your above remarks: First of all, like all liberals, you deliberately overstate the evil when you pin it on a victim that is overwhelmingly noble or holy".(my note: he is referring to priests and/or the RCC as the "victims")
"Before you make such uninformed statements, I think you had better make a thorough examination of all the facts surrounding them. Even so, facts to a liberal are meant not for enlightenment, but to be twisted or blown out of proportion."

Great! One guy, who has very conservative views, calling me "liberal", and another, with a completly different view of things than the first guy, calling me a "neocon'. The iron is priceless. You two should have a chat together - it would be interesting.

GHoSToKeR
09-01-2005, 02:40 PM
I don't give two flying motherfucks about your political affiliations. You are talking complete and utter wank.

"I mean, its a matter of profit versus saving people from a horrible death." - Mojavpa

Exactly. And there are a hell of a lot of people who would, will, and have chosen profit. Like I said in another thread, our society is sick. And people like Breukelen advocaat are the symptons.

Psycho4Bud
09-01-2005, 02:59 PM
Sounds like a job for............................
Trojan Man!!!

nicholasstanko
09-02-2005, 04:57 PM
Sounds like a job for............................
Trojan Man!!!





achilles wasnt a trojan...he was greek.




youre an idiot.






nice try though!

GHoSToKeR
09-02-2005, 05:14 PM
achilles wasnt a trojan...he was greek.
LOL.. i'm glad somebody else spotted that! :D

Psycho4Bud
09-02-2005, 05:47 PM
achilles wasnt a trojan...he was greek.




youre an idiot.






nice try though!
Give me a brake!!! I was stoned and thats what google had to offer. It was between that or a wooden horse! Now which one would you trust to give ya a rubber? :D

amsterdam
09-02-2005, 05:48 PM
why are the greeks so damn hairy and sweaty?just curious?

Psycho4Bud
09-02-2005, 05:49 PM
Don't know! It's all "Greek" to me!

BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! :D

GHoSToKeR
09-02-2005, 05:51 PM
Hahaha, psycho, man you kill me! :D

amsterdam
09-02-2005, 05:52 PM
they really are a hairy people,love the food though.

GHoSToKeR
09-02-2005, 05:55 PM
Hmm... (http://www.google.com/search?lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH%21%21%21%21%21% 21%21) Nope, still don't know what BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! means! lol

Psycho4Bud
09-02-2005, 05:56 PM
they really are a hairy people,love the food though.

I prefer trimmed nicely or shaved myself! :D

weirdo79
09-02-2005, 08:54 PM
hey dont be hard on psycho even the Trojan pic on a box of condoms is incorrect (for what the soldiers wore nothing matches in fact it looks more Roman centurion than anything else)

So be nice to psycho at least hes got a closer guess than the actual manufacturer ;)

Breukelen advocaat
09-02-2005, 09:30 PM
Did you ever notice that the condom wrappers always said that they were ??hermetically sealed?? Does anybody know what the hell that means? Apparently, Johnny Carson was onto something, with his Carnac the Magnificent sketches, on the old Tonight Show:

ED McMAHON: Heaven has no brighter star than our next stellar guest, that omnipotent master of the east and former manicurist to Howard Hughes, Carnac the Magnificent...
Welcome once again, O Great Sage... I hold in my hand these envelopes. As a child of four can plainly see, these envelopes have been hermetically sealed. They've been kept in a #2 mayonnaise jar since noon today on Funk and Wagnell's porch. No one knows the contents of these envelopes, but you, in your divine and mystical way, will ascertain the answers to these questions having never seen them before.

CARNAC: I must have absolute silence...
May a weird holy man light a Roman candle in your pants.

A: Stick 'em up!
Q: What should the oil companies' new slogan be?

A: Pot luck.
Q: What do you call not getting busted?

A: Burn the candle at both ends.
Q: What does a stupid altar boy do?

A: "Yes man."
Q: What should you answer to everything George Foreman says?

A: Touch and Go.
Q: What's the name of a drive-in massage parlor?

A: 2001.
Q: How many hospitals has Evil Knievel been in?

A: Snap, crackle, pop.
Q: What noise does Mr. McMahon's liver make?

ED: And now I hold in my hand the last envelope. [applause]
CARNAC: May the Shah of Iran seek refuge under your sister's hooped skirt.

A: Kirk Douglas, Terhan Bey and Earl Butz.
Q: Name a Kirk, a Turk and a jerk.

Psycho4Bud
09-02-2005, 09:57 PM
God that brings back memories. When I was a kid I peeked at my x-mas presents. Then on x-mas eve I wrapped a towel around my head and did my Carnac imitation. Pissed the folks right off!!

nicholasstanko
09-03-2005, 01:25 AM
Give me a brake!!! I was stoned and thats what google had to offer. It was between that or a wooden horse! Now which one would you trust to give ya a rubber? :D



lol, sorry for callin ya an idiot.


i meant it in good faith.



ak-47 mixed with the haze is the shit.




i wish i could try some of your white russian though.

andruejaysin
09-03-2005, 02:24 AM
I guess your right, I've been "indoctinated" to beleive I should provide for my child, even though I damn sure don't want to marry her mother. As far as condoms for Uganda, um, lot fucking cheaper than AIDS drugs, who you think will get to pay for those?

Breukelen advocaat
09-03-2005, 04:44 AM
I guess your right, I've been "indoctinated" to beleive I should provide for my child, even though I damn sure don't want to marry her mother. As far as condoms for Uganda, um, lot fucking cheaper than AIDS drugs, who you think will get to pay for those?

I don't think that you should "have" to pay for your child, at least not legally, because you were not married. May I ask if having the child was a mutual decision? In that case, you are morally, as well as financially, responsible for the child.

The idea of a society making fathers the main person responsible for the child(ren) in the case of a legal divorce is a very good idea. Making men the ones to get "custody" is best. It's so simple, though, that most people just dismiss it.

andruejaysin
09-03-2005, 05:44 AM
We weren't married, but I knew where babies came from when I nutted in the bitch. It wasn't planned exactly, but I knew she wasn't on the pill or anything. I don't have an order of child support, I take care of my daughter because she's my daughter. I don't want custody of her, not full time anyway.

Stedric
09-03-2005, 06:11 AM
Unless you want the AIDS epedemic to become a pandemic and sweep the world, then pay your taxes and stop whining. Its not like America hasn't ever cranked out a disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)).

Breukelen advocaat
09-03-2005, 07:05 AM
Unless you want the AIDS epedemic to become a pandemic and sweep the world, then pay your taxes and stop whining. Its not like America hasn't ever cranked out a disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)).

At the end of the Revolutionary War, many Loyalists were shipped up to our Northern Neighbors, where their views fit in better. I don't think that the founders of these United States were "whiners", and they would not think highly of a U.S. government administration that forces the citizens to permanently foot the bills, through taxation, for billions of condoms made of rubber that comes from Africa, lubricated with chemicals, "ribbed for HER pleasure", "hermetically sealed" for protection, and finally shipped back to Africa. In fact, I don't think that they'd like ANY type of condom be part of a scenario like this! It's not our responsibility and when, or if, YOU have to make sacrifices to pay extra taxes for crackpot ideas like this, then you might understand why we won't stand for it in the U.S. We??re already overburdened with our own problems, like those in New Orleans.

P.S. I've got no beef with Canadians - we just have different systems, and views (sometimes). It makes for interesting comparisons, in a socialogical sense.

Stedric
09-03-2005, 08:18 AM
At the end of the Revolutionary War, many Loyalists were shipped up to our Northern Neighbors, where their views fit in better. I don't think that the founders of these United States were "whiners", and they would not think highly of a U.S. government administration that forces the citizens to permanently foot the bills, through taxation, for billions of condoms made of rubber that comes from Africa, lubricated with chemicals, "ribbed for HER pleasure", "hermetically sealed" for protection, and finally shipped back to Africa. In fact, I don't think that they'd like ANY type of condom be part of a scenario like this! It's not our responsibility and when, or if, YOU have to make sacrifices to pay extra taxes for crackpot ideas like this, then you might understand why we won't stand for it in the U.S. We’re already overburdened with our own problems, like those in New Orleans.

P.S. I've got no beef with Canadians - we just have different systems, and views (sometimes). It makes for interesting comparisons, in a socialogical sense.
Hahahaha, your point being? So the Founding Fathers wouldn't agree to it, so what? They weren't Gods, George Washington had slaves and Abe Lincoln was an adulterer. They had views that were molded by the times they were raised in, but that was over 200 years ago.

You missed my point entirely, let this epidemic run rampant, and it will be us who pay the price. Stop it now while we still have a chance, whatever the price.

Ich bin ein Deutsch-Kanadisches, my American friend.

Breukelen advocaat
09-03-2005, 03:33 PM
Hahahaha, your point being? So the Founding Fathers wouldn't agree to it, so what? They weren't Gods, George Washington had slaves and Abe Lincoln was an adulterer. They had views that were molded by the times they were raised in, but that was over 200 years ago.

You missed my point entirely, let this epidemic run rampant, and it will be us who pay the price. Stop it now while we still have a chance, whatever the price.

Ich bin ein Deutsch-Kanadisches, my American friend.

[New PMU to Help With Aids Cash

UN Integrated Regional Information Networks
NEWS
September 2, 2005
Posted to the web September 2, 2005
Johannesburg

Uganda is to bring in international auditing firm Ernst and Young to provide temporary management of the money pledged by the Global Fund to Fight HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria.
The Fund recently announced the suspension of five grants worth more than US $200 million to the east African country, after an audit by business services firm PriceWaterhouseCoopers (PWC) found evidence of "serious mismanagement". Uganda had set up a Project Management Unit (PMU) to deal with Global Fund pledges, but the unit was disbanded shortly after PWC released the results of its investigation.
The BBC quoted Ugandan State Minister for Health Mike Mukula as saying, "We have agreed that [auditors] Ernst and Young act as the PMU, to be able to go through the transition period."
[ This report does not necessarily reflect the views of the United Nations ]
http://allafrica.com/stories/200509020570.html
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"Serious Mismanagement" probably means "stealing". We've been working overtime to help them, and it's time for them to pull together and build a goddamn condom factory, or stop fucking altogether and stick to "heavy petting"!
-B.A.

Psycho4Bud
09-03-2005, 03:46 PM
lol, sorry for callin ya an idiot.


i meant it in good faith.



ak-47 mixed with the haze is the shit.




i wish i could try some of your white russian though.

May just have to send ya my e-mail address when the time comes! :D

Psycho4Bud
09-03-2005, 09:03 PM
I'll be damned! Someone posted the solution and this is the kicker....developed in Africa!!!!!
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=29950

Stedric
09-04-2005, 07:22 AM
Now we just need to develop a rectal anti-broomstick handle for Iraqi POWs.