I got seeds!

[Mellow Man]

O'k guys ,I got a decent size grow going close to 50 plants and I had a few of them that got stressed out lol,they had too !!!! I was going through all the cola's today and side buds, just doing a normal maintence check as usual,and low and behold I found a few seeds that were completely mature lol.....I grow with clones and have very healthy mothers but will admitt that a couple of plants did get stressed throughout it's growth cycle the clones that is,they are less then 20 days to harvest a few of them,and others still have a month to go!........for example,I have about 15 blueberry growing which are all clones of the same blueberry,but one of them got stressed and produced seed ,,must have went hermie lol,and knocked itself up! .........so I checked all buds today looking for more seeds,wondering did all of the plants get pollenated,but they are o'k but about 3 plants out of the entire grow have seeds.........think the seeds will be good to use? I wonder did I have a accidently crossing of species seeing that I have five different strains growing,.....or do you think more then likely it was the plant pollenating herself?.......one of the blue berry I got 7 seeds and another strain I got about 4 or 5................think these seeds would be good to use once picked? after harvest...

[mand]

Hello Mellow man :) affraid I can't help you on this one but this is something that intrests me as well.
On a few of my crops over the years I've found the odd one or two seeds and I haven't a clue why?
I'm pretty sure that there were no male flowers present I always keep a close eye out for them.

So I'm intrested to know what causes them? ;)

love mand xxx :)

[Joel]

I do believe its the stress, but Im not 100% accurate.

[red662]

i have gotten the (very) odd seed in it, and know 4 a fact it was a female, maybe its something that occurs from time 2 time, id like 2 hear zandor r one off the boyz 2 give some input on this........................

[Nochowderforyou]

I think it is just natural for an MJ plant to produce a few seeds, as many other different fruits and vegtables do to. I know my last grow, I found 2, mature seeds, but I only had 1 plant in my cab, which was a female. I amvery strict about keeping the dark period, 100% dark, so no stress happens. When I was harvesting the buds I found 2 seeds.

Just natural to produce a few seeds, nothing to worry about I don't think, IMO.

[fhydro]

I harvested 4 plants from feminized seeds. One of them showed some male flowers in the begining og the 12/12 and now i 've got brown mature seeds. Do you think they are female seeds?
Fhydro

[Ze w33d Farm3r]

I think as well that it is natural for some females to produce the odd seed or two..maybe to continue the generation if it is unable to be pollinated by a male and may produce feminised seeds to try again the following year? just my opinion! :)

[dingobaby]

Those seeds could turn out to be the Super Ganj

[latewood]

O'k guys ,I got a decent size grow going close to 50 plants and I had a few of them that got stressed out lol,they had too !!!! I was going through all the cola's today and side buds, just doing a normal maintence check as usual,and low and behold I found a few seeds that were completely mature lol.....I grow with clones and have very healthy mothers but will admitt that a couple of plants did get stressed throughout it's growth cycle the clones that is,they are less then 20 days to harvest a few of them,and others still have a month to go!........for example,I have about 15 blueberry growing which are all clones of the same blueberry,but one of them got stressed and produced seed ,,must have went hermie lol,and knocked itself up! .........so I checked all buds today looking for more seeds,wondering did all of the plants get pollenated,but they are o'k but about 3 plants out of the entire grow have seeds.........think the seeds will be good to use? I wonder did I have a accidently crossing of species seeing that I have five different strains growing,.....or do you think more then likely it was the plant pollenating herself?.......one of the blue berry I got 7 seeds and another strain I got about 4 or 5................think these seeds would be good to use once picked? after harvest...I think we all experience a few seeds no matter how hard we survey the girls every day...What I am wondering, Mellow Man, What is the chance of getting one of them BB clones?, thanks :D

[Humboldt sticky]

plants went hermie on me. what i need to know is how to cure the seeds

[karmaxul]

Some plants will hermie a bit from seed but mothers have been known to stabilize.

One love
c

Cure seeds":>?

[moose]

The cannibus plaint is byesexule it has the ability to be both male and female.
The so called ode seed is just the plant doing its self. boy/girl !

[karmaxul]

If one was to use gibberalic acid on a female plant to produce male flowers and have the plant do itself, the out come of having seeds that are hermie is slim, or so it would seem in theory although I have not tested it myself.

One love
c

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Teenage female humans have been known to blame their brother's bath water for impregnating what they claim to be their still virginal body.
Every once in a while, they even blame it on God!
:dance:

Unlike human sperm, however, cannabis pollen can float around in the air (from outdoor grows, wild hemp, and industrial hemp), travel for hundreds of miles, get on your clothes or equipment, and find its way to an unsuspecting virgin you've got locked away in your botanical nunnery.
:eek:

Makes more sense than immaculate seeds, anyway.
:p

In fact, while I was writing this, I began to picture a grower leaving his garden after finding a hermie in orgasm, going straight to the hydro store in his pollen covered clothes (in search of something to reverse fertilization), and brushing up against the bloom fertilizers....
:eek:

Or worse, he goes straight to his job packing and shipping Advanced Nutrients!
:D


:smokin::rasta::stoned::pimp:

[karmaxul]

I see you missed the thread on making female seeds. Your immaculate seeds are stress seeds which are sold as female seeds for the do not contain the Y chromosome. You can make them by fluxuating the light cycle during miosis.

One love
c

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Never suggested that wasn't the case.

Was just saying that if a grower only finds a few seeds, and is certain that there were no male flowers on the girls, then it was an outside source of pollen.

A supposed breeder claimed here once that seeds could be produced without pollen, lol, thus my term "immaculate seeds".

[karmaxul]

yes breeders produce female seeds by stress with no pollen

One love
c

[Bluefunk]

bad post

[legacy]

It is a natural survival instinct of the plant I once read that a true since (seedless) plant will still have a seed or 2 on it although I would not trust the seed as it could cause a hermie generation? although I am not sure about that.:pimp:

[Bluefunk]

If someone can provide a logical scientific explanation of how plants can produce seeds in the absence of even endogenous pollen, I'll be convinced and impressed. But until then, I strongly believe "stress seeds" are the product of male flowers ie hermie even to a tiny extent (1 flower can still produce enough pollen to fertilise a good few buds)

[graph]

Bluefunk, here is your answer:

Plants do not work the same way mammals do. Once a female realizes that it has no chance in being pollinated, it can, in certain situations (i.e. careful stress), produce seeds that are basically clones. These women are called XX females. Every seed will be a female. This is a very rare thing, but can be done. I'm not sure if there is a post about how to make XX females, but I've read a pretty good amount of material on the subject, and it is, as the hairry gorilla said, caused by stress. There's a largely more detailed way to create them, but, seeing as how that was not your question, I will not waste anyone's time.

Here is the scientific theory behind XX females:
When stress is administered to the marijuana plant, it will, in an inherent attempt to keep the species alive, become a hermaphrodite. Hermaphrodites are self-pollinating plants, meaning that there is no other genetic code besides that found in the hermaphrodie that leads to its growth. However, a very small number of plants are not able to become hermaphrodites. As much as they try, they cannot expel pollen, and are only capable of producing seeds. Those that grow these seeds say that the two plants are complete sisters, cloned from seed rather than stem. It is much easier to produce these special females with indicas, though it can be done with sativas.

I hope this information can be helpful to you, bluefunk. If there is anything else you need, don't even hesitate to ask.

If any of the information herein is wrong, and anyone is able to prove thusly, please post the correct information, as we all must learn.

[Bluefunk]

Brilliant thank you graph, an inciteful and scientifically logical explaination makes perfect sense.

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Where'd you come about this information?
:question:

If it's an Indica dominant trait, it would explain why information on the technique has been late coming to the west.

However....


This is a very rare thing..... a very small number of plants are not able to become hermaphrodites.

None of my plants have ever been hermie. All of my seeds have always been female. Thousands of plants and thousands of seeds. I only got them when I stressed the light cycle. Was I just lucky?
Those statements don't quite jibe.

Is it rare or not?

:confused:

[karmaxul]

It is rare unless you are producing female seeds. It doesn't happen for no reason. Call a seed bank and see if they will tell you how to produce female seeds. They dont plant them then go back in time after they know the sex to sell it as female that would be to expensive. They do not sell hermies as females either. All I can tell you is do it for yourself.

One love
c

[Bluefunk]

graph, you've got me thinking. How would a plant lack the ability to turn hermie? If it has XX chromosomes then it has all the genomic DNA that XY seeds have. Does it lack the necessery transcription factors? does it exhibit an alternative splicing pattern to XX seeds? I'm curious, plant genetics is not my faute in molecular biology but I can readily learn.

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Then you would have to be lucky to get only females that went straight to seed, if such plants exist.

[graph]

Alright, I'll try to answer these questions in the order in which they were asked.

Sensimilla,
As the gorilla said, it is rare if you are not planning on this happening. However, there is a certain technique, used by putting a very ordered stress on the plant, that will cause this phenomenon to happen on a regular basis. However, if it has never been done before, it may just be luck. This plant does exist. I understand your skepticism, but many growers have accomplished this, and it is the only way to guarantee female plants.

Bluefunk,
It is a combination of the stress and the genetics that makes it so prone to becoming an XX female. I have read two different articles that insist that it is the genetics that creates the female, while another implies that it is the special stress. Some sources say that XX females are easier to find in indica strains because sativa strains are so much more prone to turning hermaphrodite, but I cannot confirm this. I have found no scientific evidence on the marijuana plant that shows the biological process by which it becomes an XX female (oh, how prohibition inhibits good research), but from what I know of other plants, it probably has something to do with an underdeveloped stamen. If anyone knows the scientific process by which this occurs, please post. I would be interested in finding out as well.


Karma, do you use the gibrellic acid and natruim hydroxide method? If you do, does it work?

[graph]

Sorry for the double-post, but there was a few things I missed.

Senemilla,
My sources are compiled of a list of dvd's, books, and these forums! However, all of the information I have found on the XX female has been found in books. One of them is an ebook, and if you are willing to create an email address or already have one that is unrelated to your main email, I would be more than happy to send it to you, free of charge. I'm not sure if there is a post about how to create an XX female, but if you would like, I can do that for you as well.

[Sinsemilla Jones]

On the other hand, my foot tastes delicious! (My foot on the other hand?)
:p

Just the fact that you haven't started calling me names, convinces me that you are probably right.
:thumbsup:

Really, you have my upmost respect in the way you've handled my skepticism, a rare thing sometimes even for those who know what they're talking about. Thank you very much for your understanding!
:clap:

And thanks for the offer of info, if I get the time and inclination to study it further, I might take you up on it. But I haven't ever disclosed any sort of e-mail addy on here, temporary, "secure", or whatever, and my spideymite sinse tells me I shouldn't start.
;)
I'm sure everyone would enjoy a thread on it though!
Who cares if it's been done?
A 2nd thread on XX females would definitely not be overkill.
:stoned:


c - Thank you too for not dog cussing me, gives me hope that all your tales might be true! Hope you also understand the need for cyncism around here. The BS just gets soooo thick sometimes. My apologies for my 20th century brain, and my best to you in fighting the powers that be!
:rasta:

[graph]

Alright, will start that thread as soon as I get some time on my hands. I understand your not wanting to divulge personal information, by the way. I pretty much feel the same way. The thread will cover all of what I was going to send you, though, so there you go as well.

[Bluefunk]

Although, this report from overgrow suggest two ways of making feminized seeds (the two ways I have heard of) and both involve the formation of male flowers and self pollenation:

ow can I get my plants to produce femenized seeds?

There are two methods that I am familiar with; Light-Poisoning, and Gibberellic Acid Treatment, both forcing female plants to produce male flowers and pollinate themselves. I have employed both methods, and both have yielded satisfactory results.

NOTE: YOU MUST START WITH FEMALE SEEDS/CLONES TO ENSURE THAT THERE WILL BE NO MALE CHROMOSOMES PRESENT.

# LIGHT-POISONING METHOD: During the first three weeks of flowering, turn the lights on for an hour during the middle of the dark period. That is, 12 hrs. on, 5.5 hrs. off, 1 hr. on, 5.5 hrs. off, and repeat for the first 3 weeks, after which you may return to the normal 12/12 light cycle. This causes a plant to go "hermie" and pollinate itself, as well as any other female in the room. You must use plants originating only from female seeds or clones to ensure that no male chromosomes are present. The resulting seeds will produce NO MALE PLANTS!


# GIBBERELLIC ACID TREATMENT: Select your favorite female plant and spray it from approx. two feet away (first under the leaves, then on top). This must be done 2 weeks before the plant is put into the flowering light cycle, thus the need to start with female seeds/clones. DO NOT SMOKE BUD TREATED WITH GIBBERELLIC ACID! Spray the plant again after 2 weeks have passed, and place it under 12/12 lighting. This plant will "hermie" and pollinate itself and other females present. It will not produce as much pollen as a pure male, thus less seeds. However, these seeds will be 100% female.



CONCLUSION:
Now, femenized seeds have also been known to produce hermaphrodites. This is just an evolutionary safety precaution to ensure the survival of the species in the event of environmental catastrophe. All seeds have the potential to hermie. Variables such as pH levels, lighting scenarios, fertilizer problems, etc. will also be factors in the outcome of the plant's sex. Just keep 'em healthy, and give them your tender, loving care, and you should be fine.

[Bluefunk]

And also surely all female plants are XX... an XY female would be a male by definition. Sativas are more prone to turning hermie because a lot of pure sativas are natural haemaphrodites and as the guy says above, all seeds have the potential to hermie.