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BlueCat
08-17-2005, 09:00 PM
America's long-running war on drugs has, literally, gone to pot.
More than two decades after it was launched in response to the spread of crack cocaine -- and in the midst of a brand-new wave of methamphetamine use sweeping the country -- the government crackdown has shifted from hard drugs to marijuana. Pot now accounts for nearly half of drug arrests nationwide -- up from barely a quarter of all busts a decade ago. Spurred by a Supreme Court decision in June affirming the right of federal agents to crack down on medical marijuana,

The Drug Enforcement Administration has launched a series of high-profile raids against pot clinics in California, and police in New York, Memphis and Philadelphia have been waging major offensives against pot smokers that are racking up thousands of arrests.

By almost any measure, however, the war has been as monumental a failure as the invasion of Iraq. All told, the government sinks an estimated $35 billion a year into the War on Drugs.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7504250?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7&rnd=1124312475265&has-player=false

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 01:56 PM
It is amazing all these Bush ass kissers have nothing to say when it comes to his War here at home...on us.

You are either with us or against....that was the phase right?

As Bush drug laws get tougher and more and more medical MJ smokers are jailed things are only going to heat up.

Lines will be drawn. All Cannabis sites should be behind the MJ battle 100%

Supporting the very government that is putting these people in jail should be met with anger from everyone on this site.

Let them go to the freeper or GOP site and discuss weed legalization... see how far they get.

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 02:00 PM
THIS could be YOU!

Shirley Dorsey 56 years old Placerville, California April, 1991-
Rather than being compelled to testify against her 70-year-old boyfriend (Byron Stamate) for cultivating the medicinal cannabis she depended upon to help control her crippling back pain, Shirley Dorsey committed suicide. She saw it as the only way to prevent the forfeiture of their home and property. Despite her suicide, Stamate was sentenced to 9 months prison, and his home, cottage, and $177,000 life savings were seized.

IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.

Psycho4Bud
08-18-2005, 02:01 PM
It is amazing all these Bush ass kissers have nothing to say when it comes to his War here at home...on us.

You are either with us or against....that was the phase right?

As Bush drug laws get tougher and more and more medical MJ smokers are jailed things are only going to heat up.

Lines will be drawn. All Cannabis sites should be behind the MJ battle 100%

Supporting the very government that is putting these people in jail should be met with anger from everyone on this site.

Let them go to the freeper or GOP site and discuss weed legalization... see how far they get.

I agree with your stance on Med. MJ but it should be addressed to the President, congress, and senate. They're all part of the process and like I said, you don't like their stance...vote em' out. :D

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 02:15 PM
It has been addressed to the President, congress, and senate, where have you been?

If we are going to win this war at home we will have to follow every politician and how they vote. If they voted against Medical MJ screw them their OUT.

Any supreme court Justice that votes conservative should be fair game.
People need to know how their state reps. are voting and if it is not on the agenda PUT IT THERE.

I guess you could say "Put your money where your joint is."

Whether you like it or not The present Government is against us...and getting people to vote them ALL out is my goal.
I can't acheive that goal if I have to continually bicker with narrow minded flag wavers that only support Bush because they are afraid a terrorist is going to get them..

You will have to choose sides you know...this will come to a head.

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 02:32 PM
You know Bush going into Canada and arresting people is just the tip of the ice...
We are giving huge amounts of money to countries to fight TERRORISM...
So what do they do with the money? They arm their POLICE...

And are these guys catching real terrorist? Very few...

This is what they do with it ------>At least 24 innocent people were killed during a three month crackdown on drug dealers that led to more than 1,000 deaths, Thailand's National Human Rights Commission said yesterday.

Commissioner Vasant Panich told reporters his office investigated 24 deaths based on complaints made by relatives, and found police had no evidence of criminal wrongdoing against them "until the day they died."

"These people were searched often, but police never found anything," he said.

Hundreds more cases need to be investigated, said Vasant.

It was not clear who killed the 24 people, however. Vasant did not say if police were responsible.

Vasant said in one of the killings, police did not have any evidence against the victim, "but they still seized all his assets" after he was shot dead.

Notice the seized assets.....see the pattern?
We gave (promised) 350 million in aid to the tsumani victims...which we have not paid BTW..
And we gave 1.5 BILLION in weapons.....we made sure they got those.

As I have stated they are blurring the lines between the war on terrorism and the war on drugs.

Keep supporting Bush it won't be long until you are seen as a terrorist for buying weed.

pisshead
08-18-2005, 02:35 PM
it's the feds running the majority of drugs across borders to begin with...using national security as their smokescreen...

they use the gangs they've funded and trained, who then go out and kill those who don't pay their cut.

the feds can ship in thousands of tons of drugs...but bob goes to jail for life in some states if he sells some coke or heroin...

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 02:52 PM
Now I will tell you what happened to me.....

a week ago....2am there is this loud bagging on our front door....really loud like the door is coming off the hinges...

I yelled at my husband (who can sleep through anything) :rolleyes:
then he has to get his pants on...if it was a murderer I'd be dead already :rolleyes:
Anyway....he gets to the door and it is the POLICE...

they push their way in and as I am coming out of the bedroom they are shining light in my eyes and they are looking in every room of our house. Now keep in mind WE NEVER INVITED THEM IN.

THey were yelling that a 911 call had originated from our house.

So I immediately thought my youngest son might be hurt of something and headed for his room....the police in tow...
He was asleep and fine. He sleeps by a loud fan so he did not hear the police yelling but as I turned on the light he woke up.

The cops were saying they know a call came from our house. They went to all our phones...and starting pushing numbers and talking to someone....then they said Oh we are so sorry to wake you up... There must be a problem with our system, that happens. Then they left. WTF??!!
Now I know that is bullshit. I have NEVER heard of a 911 system problem like that before, HAVE YOU?

Now keep in mind I have never done anything wrong...no police record I have never even had a speeding or parking ticket nor has my husband...well he had a speeding ticket...but I have not EVER.

I think they were looking for a grow op or something because I am very out spoken about legalization of Weed...which I'm sure you have not noticed. :)

They looked in my hall closet for God's sake...why would they look in the closet? They assumed the 911 caller was hiding in there? Give me a break..

So as a warning to all growers evidently if the cops "think" a 911 call comes from your house they can march right in...
I guess it was our mistake opening the door but what are you suppose to do?

THIS IS WAR you better get ready.

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 02:56 PM
it's the feds running the majority of drugs across borders to begin with...using national security as their smokescreen...

they use the gangs they've funded and trained, who then go out and kill those who don't pay their cut.

the feds can ship in thousands of tons of drugs...but bob goes to jail for life in some states if he sells some coke or heroin...

In some areas this is true! I have actually talked personally to an ex CIA guy and he told me for fact that is the case in Columbia....they don't burn huge piles of weed like they show on TV just a small amount for show...the rest is sold right back to the drug dealers and put back into circulation....

Again the rich feeding off the poor.

pisshead
08-18-2005, 02:58 PM
you're a slave, you have no right to property or privacy anymore. it's downhill from here, but it doesn't have to be. it's a covert coup on the republic, where we elect the new bosses, same as the old bosses.

or maybe i'm just really stoned.

Psycho4Bud
08-18-2005, 03:03 PM
you're a slave, you have no right to property or privacy anymore. it's downhill from here, but it doesn't have to be. it's a covert coup on the republic, where we elect the new bosses, same as the old bosses.

or maybe i'm just really stoned.

Must be some gooood shit! :D

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 03:10 PM
Well electoral process is the best way to fight it for now....if they try to pull that electronic voting crap again....we are just fucked.

I have had a letter writing campaign since 2004 asking that our elections be overseen by the International community just like they do in other countires...

Several Senators and congressmen are talking with the UN so maybe the next elections will be watched more carefully....I know that Kofi Anann has gotten letters about it. I wrote one myself and so did 11 congressmen and a few Senators..

Whether you like the UN or not...the more attention we creat internationally the better....

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 03:12 PM
Of course Bush made it a point to get his Bolton spy in for damage control...so who nows what will happen next election.

pisshead
08-18-2005, 03:16 PM
yes, voting on the local level is the key. national elections are staged...you'll always get an establishment candidate on both sides...so you get end up getting the same thing in the end anyway.

the UN isn't going to save us i don't think...that's the false option given to the 'left' to make them think they have an escape from the 'right'...when it's all the same military industrial complex and oil companies and corporations and foundations and trusts and banks...etc.

we will eventually be under UN/world government rule, with UN troops on our soil, but not for 'peacekeeping'...they'll be carrying out other missions...and giving us freedom isn't one of them.

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 03:19 PM
I don't think they will save us either...they have their own problems but I am hoping it will create more media attention....which is what works in politics today.

pisshead
08-18-2005, 03:25 PM
yeah, i won't count on the mainstream military industrial complex friendly news to keep me informed...that's why their ratings are going down...

and independent media's ratings is rivaling theirs...informing people in your town and on the internet is all you can do...there are people in other cities around the country doing the same thing...

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 03:29 PM
So I wonder if anyone else has ever had a fake 911 call insident? Maybe I should make a new thread and ask. I would really like to know if anyone else has heard of this.

Psycho4Bud
08-18-2005, 03:57 PM
Well electoral process is the best way to fight it for now....if they try to pull that electronic voting crap again....we are just fucked.

I have had a letter writing campaign since 2004 asking that our elections be overseen by the International community just like they do in other countires...

Several Senators and congressmen are talking with the UN so maybe the next elections will be watched more carefully....I know that Kofi Anann has gotten letters about it. I wrote one myself and so did 11 congressmen and a few Senators..

Whether you like the UN or not...the more attention we creat internationally the better....

Have the crooked ass U.N. looking out after our elections? Why not bring in the damn French too! :eek:

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 04:06 PM
I would bring the French, Germans and the fucking martians if I thought it would mean a fair election...

I am not saying the UN is the answer. I am saying we need to USE the UN. That may not work either I am just looking for answers guys.
I am saying by attracting global attention things will be watched a lot more closely...


well I can't argue politics all day today...I have a DR. appt. to see if I have to go back in the hospital :( ....I know you'll miss me.. ;)



Keep holding down the fort Pisshead.... :D talk to you guys later...wish me luck.

pisshead
08-18-2005, 04:11 PM
the UN needs to be abolished...the same things can be accomplished without it, but we get official seals and everything looks so authoritative, so we sign away our sovereignty with unconstitutional treaties and give up control of our country to foreign banks and governments...

the UN charter even says you have no rights...the declaration of human rights says the UN gives you rights, and they can take them away, because they are God.

we've just become incredibly ignorant of history...we're allowing a world empire to be built and take control, the idea is so appealing though...and they create false choices and threats to freedom...to make it seem like it's the eventual solution...when it's just more of the problem.

Psycho4Bud
08-18-2005, 04:17 PM
I would bring the French, Germans and the fucking martians if I thought it would mean a fair election...

I am not saying the UN is the answer. I am saying we need to USE the UN. That may not work either I am just looking for answers guys.
I am saying by attracting global attention things will be watched a lot more closely...


well I can't argue politics all day today...I have a DR. appt. to see if I have to go back in the hospital :( ....I know you'll miss me.. ;)



Keep holding down the fort Pisshead.... :D talk to you guys later...wish me luck.

Hope everything goes cool for ya!!!!!

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 04:17 PM
But really that has already happened to an extent....with IMF, WTO etc...don't you think?

we have to have some organization for heads if state to meet. You can't just close off and isolate everyone...what is your solution for this if not the UN?

Yes the UN needs a complete over haul...so does our government for that matter...

Man I got to go I'll be late...TTYL

Psycho4Bud
08-18-2005, 04:18 PM
the UN needs to be abolished....

I'll be damned! Something we agree on!!! :D

mellow mood
08-18-2005, 04:57 PM
Its not a war on drugz, its a war on personnal freedom.

fuck Bush, fuck government, fuck the system

are we free? no

Nullific
08-18-2005, 05:09 PM
Abbie Hoffman, Timothy Leary and Bill Hicks will return to us reincarnated some day and save the world mellow mood. Our only hope.

stoner spirit
08-18-2005, 09:43 PM
Those who persicute cannabis users have no soul, and if they do, they have dark spirits. The government probably loves taking people's lives, and watching others suffer. Those that gain power through other's pain and suffering are the worst sons of bitches, and should deserve a fate that's even worse than those that are suffering. May the members of this government suffer in the hells.

BlueCat
08-18-2005, 11:30 PM
Abbie Hoffman, Timothy Leary and Bill Hicks will return to us reincarnated some day and save the world mellow mood. Our only hope.lmao that would be a terrific trip Nullific!! It's fun to dream,eh?

I was one of the fools that hoped Andy Koffman would show up in the bar meeting place he promised....remember that? :D


Those who persicute cannabis users have no soul, and if they do, they have dark spirits. The government probably loves taking people's lives, and watching others suffer. Those that gain power through other's pain and suffering are the worst sons of bitches, and should deserve a fate that's even worse than those that are suffering. May the members of this government suffer in the hells.
AAAAAAMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Stoner spirit... well said.

You got it Mellow Hell no we are not free! But we can sure endanger our soldiers for so called Iraqi freedom...TO bad people are not as gung ho on protecting our freedoms here at home.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pisshead
the UN needs to be abolished....



I'll be damned! Something we agree on!!!
WHOA a rare moment...you really should not be so hard on PH he is just trying to find the right answers like the rest of us.....Just cause you don't agree at least he is looking and keeping an open mind,

Hey PH want to start a thread to fine you a new name? You are not a pisshead.....I admire your persistence...I hope you don't take this wrong
You could be Alex Jones right hand man or AJ's side kick, lol

oh how about this it is really good Soothsayer: The truth is not always soothing, but our verb soothe is related to soothsayer, the word for one who tells the truth, especially beforehand....

I guess it is rude of me to mess with your name... it is just I feel like I am disrespecting you when I say pisshead... :)

Torog
08-19-2005, 12:47 PM
It is amazing all these Bush ass kissers have nothing to say when it comes to his War here at home...on us.

You are either with us or against....that was the phase right?

As Bush drug laws get tougher and more and more medical MJ smokers are jailed things are only going to heat up.

Lines will be drawn. All Cannabis sites should be behind the MJ battle 100%

Supporting the very government that is putting these people in jail should be met with anger from everyone on this site.

Let them go to the freeper or GOP site and discuss weed legalization... see how far they get.
Howdy Blue Cat,

I need and support medical mj and I don't like Bush's policy on it at all,but I didn't vote for Bush because of that..I voted for Bush because I knew that he would finally do something about saddam and sons..the safety of our nation..comes first..social engineering..after. That's the problem with the Left..they want to engage in social engineering..and national security comes last on their list of priorities.

We are at war and we need conservative mind-sets to git-r-done..after the grown-ups have secured our national security..maybe we can go back to dabbling in social engineering. I'm going to join the MPP here in Texas,and see if we can git HB 658 passed,the medical need defense bill.

Have a good one ....

newgroweroldsmoker
08-19-2005, 01:37 PM
But really that has already happened to an extent....with IMF, WTO etc...don't you think?

we have to have some organization for heads if state to meet. You can't just close off and isolate everyone...what is your solution for this if not the UN?

Yes the UN needs a complete over haul...so does our government for that matter...

Man I got to go I'll be late...TTYL

...i don't really understand why the United Nations' Headquarters have to be based in the USA......

in an earlier thread you say 'we need to use the UN' meaning what? to control the electoral process?

you must be joking right?

maybe you'd like me to come and babysit your children and water your plants, i offer my services for free (like the UN) to you in case that you can't find a good babysitter :D

for the record, you are using the UN....

whenever you want to start a conflict you send the UN troops which by default they are almost 95% american troops wearing other colours suits and when you withdraw from a war again you send the UN troops to clean up the mess....

i guess that you are actually using the UN the wrong way....

it almost sounds like the UN should be called UNA (united nations of america), but, on the other hand it would sound arrogant to call it that way;)

what war on drugs? drugs will always be around just like politicians who are eager to make money by selling weapons......

and guess what, your government prefers to spend money on chasing 'terrorists' and 'drug dealers' while the poor get poorer and the rich get richer...

the article about that woman who committed suicide made me laugh, 70 year old person convicted for growing cannabis....he is with almost both feet on the grave and 'they' imprisoned him....

now, tell me really, do you think that your government cares about the people who actually live in the USA? it seems to me that it 'cares' more about the 'liberty' of Iraqis, the 'rights' of the Vietnamese and the homeless in Uganda (hehehehe)....

as if your countrys' internal problems are all solved....as if you have no people dying on the streets (hanger,crimes and drugs), as if your public education and public care is #1 in the world....

let me tell you what, (and sorry if it may sound weird), no matter how hard you bang your asses on the pavement and elect a different president in every election, this situation will never change....

in that case you are all hopeless as every american president after WWII, has linked his name with a war.....you spend lots of money on wars instead of spending it for the public welfare.....on the other hand though if you don't make the wars your soldiers will just play their 'dicks' sitting on their asses with no work for them...thus your unemployment rates will be increased....

cannabis will never be decriminalised in the usa, it does not make profit to your government while it does make sense to spend $35 billion chasing it.....

maybe you should immigrate to europe where things are much different than you think;)



NGOS:)



PS. i admire your spirit and the way you express yourself through these posts

stoner spirit
08-19-2005, 04:22 PM
Not if the world government gets ahold of your beloved Europ.

newgroweroldsmoker
08-19-2005, 06:08 PM
what world government are you talking about?


it's time to get back to your real motherland;)

BlueCat
08-19-2005, 06:59 PM
I don't really get the point you are trying to make....you seem to be reflecting a lot of what I have already said in other posts...

what war on drugs? drugs will always be around just like politicians who are eager to make money by selling weapons...... and guess what, your government prefers to spend money on chasing 'terrorists' and 'drug dealers' while the poor get poorer and the rich get richer... NO SHIT.

As far as I know the UN is not just represented in the US

http://www.un.org/aroundworld/map/

what war on drugs? <-----the one being waged against medical MJ users and other innocent people that are killed in drug raids...did you miss that thread too?
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/08/17/drugWarVictims.html

drugs will always be around just like politicians who are eager to make money by selling weapons...... AGAIN I say NO SHIT! so are you agreeing with the post I have already made or what?

let me tell you what, (and sorry if it may sound weird), no matter how hard you bang your asses on the pavement and elect a different president in every election, this situation will never change....


So I guess we are too just lie down and take it? Forgive me but I don't understand your reasoning....

now, tell me really, do you think that your government cares about the people who actually live in the USA? it seems to me that it 'cares' more about the 'liberty' of Iraqis, the 'rights' of the Vietnamese and the homeless in Uganda (hehehehe)....
as if your countrys' internal problems are all solved....as if you have no people dying on the streets (hanger,crimes and drugs), as if your public education and public care is #1 in the world....

I never said this....and I suggest you search my name and read my posts ...you are really off on this one...or maybe I am really misunderstanding you......

As for my statement use the UN...maybe I did not make myself clear.....I said we could use the UN for our elections (which I think were rigged) by asking them to oversee our election like they do in other countries we would get more international attention and thus it will be harder to rig the election AGAIN.

I don't understand your rudeness. :confused:

BlueCat
08-19-2005, 07:14 PM
We are at war and we need conservative mind-sets to git-r-done..after the grown-ups have secured our national security..maybe we can go back to dabbling in social engineering. I'm going to join the MPP here in Texas,and see if we can git HB 658 passed,the medical need defense bill.

SO what was your excuse for voting for him the first time around....
Bush is against weed legalization...and the battle is only going to get worse....
If you like Bush so much why don't you go back to the freeper site where you belong.....traitors to the weed should not be welcome here. even more so as the battle is heats up.

pisshead
08-19-2005, 07:28 PM
we're on the verge of scrapping the constitution all together and exchanging it for a martial law dictatorship (tommy franks said that, too) to keep us safe from the evil freedom hating muslim terrorists...we've got to give up our rights to protect our rights!

double plus good!

weed should be the least of our worries. seriously though, all drugs should be legal, all of them. it probably will never happen...the feds mean business when they protect their drug cartels.

BlueCat
08-19-2005, 07:36 PM
It is not the least of MY worries...and this is a CANNABIS site...

For some people weed is a Necessity for life.

newgroweroldsmoker
08-20-2005, 12:39 PM
blue cat

i am not trying to be rude here, morover as i am a foreigner (greek) i think that nor my spirit or my humour/irony can be clearly understood

excuse if my english sound a bit simple and primitive to you or i make spelling mistakes as well

i really sympathize you guys, honestly i have nothing against no-one here

i totally agree with you and your posts

the point i am trying to make is that the situation on drug policies will never change as large amounts of money are on the table, and, usually the largest amounts of money flow under that table;)

it is not on the interest of any american government to legalize MJ, even for mediacl purposes, even though it would be clinically proven that MJ helps against migraines/headaches/appettite enhancer/back pains and muscle related pains...

the pharmaceutical industry would lose money

the tobacco industry would lose money

and i am not talking on your national level here only, if you set the example many other countries are surely going to follow it

so in other words we're talking about billions of dollars in loses every year....

so what i am saying is that your government does not really care for the welfare of the citizens so much

as for the UN, sure it's being represented in every country in the world, but, the point i'm trying to make is that if you can't control your elections then again you are a bit hopeless as the UN is based in the USA and therefore it is influenced (in a way) by the american government more than it should....

always remeber, politics is a dirty game that it's usually played under the table and usually the winner of this game is the rich countries that are ivolved in it;)

it's the money that makes things happen as most political desicions are made after taking into consideration the financial aspects of the problem that is to be solved and by personal experience i believe that the UN will not help you on your elections as this would mean more money to be spend for that purpose....

and yes bluecat, not all people are like you and me who criticise and analyze things that happen....most people don't care as they are brainwashed and turned into animals with tha face of a human, incapable of thinking and seeing this from a different point of view..they just accept the desicions others make for them, they live their lives happy just because another day has passed.....

to make a difference in your lives and subsequently in your nation you need more people like you blue cat and i assure you that there will be no need for the UN to help you control the electoral process....

i hope i made myself clear enough now;)

take care:)

NGOS:)

newgroweroldsmoker
08-20-2005, 12:48 PM
i've read the posts again and i have a question for you now

why instead of legalising cannabis don't they criminalise the use of tobacco since it is proven that it's harmful to the people who use it?

it's commonly known that cannabis has never killed anyone (the lethal dose for a man is to inhale the smoke produced by 100 pounds of bud), and yet it is illegal to smoke the herb.....

it's politics and money, bottom line, that controls our lives, not common sense....politicians use their common sense when they are in need for it, when they want to jump into quick conclusions and need not to analyse any further the situation....it's the money that controls BUSH, so don't blame him, blame the people who voted on him and they are clearly supporting him, BUSH is only a puppet here

the real players are invisible behind him, he's just their representative, their employee....i am reffering to all those various lobbies that are controlled by industrialists,bankers etc...it's them who make the big bucks and BUSH will make some money as well, under the table of course;)

Torog
08-20-2005, 12:55 PM
We are at war and we need conservative mind-sets to git-r-done..after the grown-ups have secured our national security..maybe we can go back to dabbling in social engineering. I'm going to join the MPP here in Texas,and see if we can git HB 658 passed,the medical need defense bill.

SO what was your excuse for voting for him the first time around....
Bush is against weed legalization...and the battle is only going to get worse....
If you like Bush so much why don't you go back to the freeper site where you belong.....traitors to the weed should not be welcome here. even more so as the battle is heats up.
Howdy Blue Cat,

My reason for voting Bush in the first time,was to steer this country in the right direction,away from the debauchery and God-lessness of the Left,restoring the morale of the military and re-strengthening it,as well as confronting and prosecuting terrorists. The safety and security of America and the Free World,is my primary priority..everything else is secondary and dependent on the first priority..I ain't no traitor to the weed,there are many like me,who believe the drug war is a failure,but we must first protect our freedom-in order to establish that freedom of choice..to use marijuana as an alternative to dangerous narcotics and alcohol.

There needs to be support for the legalization of marijuana,on both sides of the political spectrum,as such,I should be even more welcome here..than not.

Have a good one...

BlueCat
08-20-2005, 03:57 PM
Hey Newgroweroldsmoker.....sorry for the mix up :D
Thank you for the shot in the arm....You made me smile.
It is nice to hear comments like that when it seems like the puritans are winning.... *blows kiss* ;)

Making tobacco illegal....is a great idea...if they won't legalize cannabis then lets take away their cancer sticks and see how those fat ass senators feel then. :D

As for you Torog.....you have just more tiresome *yawn* excuses for backing the asshole that is doing everything to CONTROL our rights.....
In your own words you said that you put your support for Bush over legalizing cannabis....

So IMO you don't belong here. Go light one up with the republican party.

Really, pretending to be cool is not your forte... :mad:

WalkaWalka
08-21-2005, 09:16 AM
Torog have you dun burnt your brain on drugs?
The corporations and underground sociesties in the political structure have decided freedom is obselete. Do not join the milatary it is very possible you will have to do some things you'll regret.

Torog
08-21-2005, 09:20 AM
Howdy Blue Cat,

You state:"As for you Torog.....you have just more tiresome *yawn* excuses for backing the asshole that is doing everything to CONTROL our rights.....
In your own words you said that you put your support for Bush over legalizing cannabis....

So IMO you don't belong here. Go light one up with the republican party. "

You got it wrong,maam...I support the safety of Americans and America,as a primary priority..I don't support everything that Bush does,especially with the drug war and the border situation,but at least he ain't sitting on his hands,when it comes to dealing with terrorism,like Clinton did.

There are more conservative,right-wing tokers in these here parts..than daggum left-wing tokers..to ignore that fact,is wrong and to deny ten's of thousands of redneck tokers like me from being a part of these sites and to deny them the chance to help with the legalization of marijuana,is even worse..shame on you ! Just because you hate,despise and loath,Southern stoners and Southerners of all stripes,doesn't mean that you have the right to exclude us from participation.

By all means,keep yer snobby,elitist self,way up north in Yankee land..the South will rise again !

Have a good one ...

Torog
08-21-2005, 09:33 AM
Torog have you dun burnt your brain on drugs?
The corporations and underground sociesties in the political structure have decided freedom is obselete. Do not join the milatary it is very possible you will have to do some things you'll regret.
Howdy WalkaWalka,

Well..maybe I have burnt my brain..lol..and it's too late,as far as the military is concerned,I joined a long time ago,25 years...dang time flys ! I wish that I could git back in,but I'm too old and crippled now and they won't let me.

Actually,I wish that we had a system like Israel,where every young person is required to serve at least a year or two,in the military..it matures younguns and teaches them,that Freedom ain't free and that they each have a duty to protect their own freedom and that of their fellow citizens.

Have a good one....

dboy
08-22-2005, 04:51 AM
BlueCat and everyone else posting on this thread: Look's like I've found my home. A forum for people who are thinking the same things I am. That the "War on Terror" is a smokescreen for a war on freedom. That this experiment in Democracy known as the USA, is now officially over. That corporations and fascists are now in control. That we are witnessing, RIGHT NOW, George Orwells worst nightmares coming true. That the US government and George Bush are the great terrorists ever known to man (and we are funding it all). That its ok to believe in the American Dream as long as you don't attempt to live that dream. That (oh the irony) we the people need international monitors to insure the fairness of our elections. That the outcome of said elections are irrelevant, as both sides have been bought by corporations in advance. That the "choices" we have are controlled, and if you control the choices, you can control the outcome. That virtually every second of television programming is an attempt to control our minds, to null us to sleep, to propagandize, to instill fear, to instill hatred in people we don't even know, to train us to live with purpetual war. That the US govenment fears our beloved cannabis, NOT because it is concerned for our health, but because they have their own drugs for sale. We have reached that time where working within the process no longer works. We NOW live in a Police State. They control us through fear...fear of manufactured enemies of the state. We are living in very dangerous times. We are threatened by extremists on one side (who are reacting to the policies of our government), and our own State on the other, which has already placed many millions of citizens much like ourselves in prision, kicked in our doors, or gunned us down in the streets, and is on a neverending quest to build more prisons to house anyone who does not buy in to the establishment nightmare. We are now one nation, under surveillance.

dboy

NowhereMan
08-24-2005, 03:28 PM
Howdy WalkaWalka,

Well..maybe I have burnt my brain..lol..and it's too late,as far as the military is concerned,I joined a long time ago,25 years...dang time flys ! I wish that I could git back in,but I'm too old and crippled now and they won't let me.

Actually,I wish that we had a system like Israel,where every young person is required to serve at least a year or two,in the military..it matures younguns and teaches them,that Freedom ain't free and that they each have a duty to protect their own freedom and that of their fellow citizens.

Have a good one....
well here is where we go down different paths torog.
i dont trust my goverment enough to give it my kid,to use.which is what you would be doing by having a draft and them serving a yr.
the rich would buy out and the poor would be doing the serving as usual.

if it aint volunteer.its a regime as much as Saddams was.

those would wish to serve can those who dont have that right luckily we have enough who want to serve and even they are USED like fodder.

Marlboroman
08-24-2005, 09:08 PM
git-r-done...


This is the only thing you wrote worth quoteing.

Thats not a complement.

Peace.

newgroweroldsmoker
08-24-2005, 09:13 PM
Howdy Blue Cat,

You state:"As for you Torog.....you have just more tiresome *yawn* excuses for backing the asshole that is doing everything to CONTROL our rights.....
In your own words you said that you put your support for Bush over legalizing cannabis....

So IMO you don't belong here. Go light one up with the republican party. "

You got it wrong,maam...I support the safety of Americans and America,as a primary priority..I don't support everything that Bush does,especially with the drug war and the border situation,but at least he ain't sitting on his hands,when it comes to dealing with terrorism,like Clinton did.

There are more conservative,right-wing tokers in these here parts..than daggum left-wing tokers..to ignore that fact,is wrong and to deny ten's of thousands of redneck tokers like me from being a part of these sites and to deny them the chance to help with the legalization of marijuana,is even worse..shame on you ! Just because you hate,despise and loath,Southern stoners and Southerners of all stripes,doesn't mean that you have the right to exclude us from participation.

By all means,keep yer snobby,elitist self,way up north in Yankee land..the South will rise again !

Have a good one ...


and moreover be real safe? then the answer is simple torog.....americans should stay in america......simple as that....do you have the guts to do it?

if you decide to stay at home you would propably start killing each other so i guess for the safety of the american people it's better to invade another country and kill some iraqis or afghanis rather tahn killing each other;)

sorry torog for what i am about to say but you're full of shit man...bla bla bla bla bla all you know about politics is bla bla bla bla bla....you talk too much and say nothing in the end...you just repeat what you've heard in the news, what the politicians say.....and that flag of the northerns burn it, it doesn't mean a thing over here, not to me;)

''the safety of the american people'' ''yeah i am torog a real american hero who fought in vietnam''.....hey torog why did america lose the war in vietnam?
have you ever thought of what you were fighting for?

what? you were not holding a gun in that war and your duty was to clean the toilets? hey man since you're so much concerned about the freedom of america and you want to fight for it you should join the army again and fight along with the rest of the dickheads in afghanistan or iraq instead of bla bla bla bla bla in a peaceful and openminded forum like this one....

it is actually rather disturbing that no matter what i say some of you here are trying to convince me that you're the best.....you're right about one thing....you're the best in bla bla bla bla bla, that's all you have learnt to do since you were born propably.....open a book and read some history, try to expand your horizons a bit and learns for other countries and places....

and for god's sake stop watching too much tv, apart from harming your eyes it is brainwashing you and at the end of the day you are dummer than the day before and you think that your nation is in danger and you have to fight terrorists.....

well the terrorist here is not laden or saddam....terror here is called Bush...after all he is the one to send so many soldiers down there and moreover he is the one that knows what's really happening....so torog you don't know shit man.....return to your plants and tell them a story or something, cause from what i see you're a good storyteller;)

newgroweroldsmoker
08-24-2005, 09:14 PM
the time that you will start killing each other is not far....take care and stop watching tv;)

Marlboroman
08-24-2005, 09:29 PM
Howdy Blue Cat,

You state:"As for you Torog.....you have just more tiresome *yawn* excuses for backing the asshole that is doing everything to CONTROL our rights.....
In your own words you said that you put your support for Bush over legalizing cannabis....

So IMO you don't belong here. Go light one up with the republican party. "

You got it wrong,maam...I support the safety of Americans and America,as a primary priority..I don't support everything that Bush does,especially with the drug war and the border situation,but at least he ain't sitting on his hands,when it comes to dealing with terrorism,like Clinton did.

There are more conservative,right-wing tokers in these here parts..than daggum left-wing tokers..to ignore that fact,is wrong and to deny ten's of thousands of redneck tokers like me from being a part of these sites and to deny them the chance to help with the legalization of marijuana,is even worse..shame on you ! Just because you hate,despise and loath,Southern stoners and Southerners of all stripes,doesn't mean that you have the right to exclude us from participation.

By all means,keep yer snobby,elitist self,way up north in Yankee land..the South will rise again !

Have a good one ...

Terrorism is a fiction of our nations' imagination.

Texas is a red state by ignorance more than anything. Should the UN or even our government try to disarm the south, I am sure they will be met with resistance.

And I think allot of fighting will come out of Texas. Texas are Libertarians more than anything, they vote red out of lack of choices and ignorance.

Ignorance in thinking that the "spics and niggers" get some type of federal funding the whites are not able to get.

I know many people in Texas that only vote red because they think that red means conservative. They dont keep in touch with reality or bother to learn what a conservative is, and whether or not the guy they voted for is actually conservative.

Bush has fucked Texas up, with no minimum wage. Bush is a greedy ass hat, that is killing the middle class.

I want Mother Nature to stand up and put an end to this shit, and hopefully take anyone that beleives in religion of any kind with her.

Since its creation it has brought some good but mostly bad. Controlled by men who would use it for personal gain, it is the source or the earths conflicts for thousands of years.

MJ is a natural plant here to help the ones that are smart enough to believe in it rather than what they have been told. It has more healing ability than any other natural occuring plant right off the plant to dry and its ready.

Its a medicine that humans have been useing for thousands of years as well.

It breaks down learned behaviors and forces people to learn things over, and learn them in different manners.

Unlike D.A.R.E., I think thats a hell of an idea.

What did you learn today?

Peace.

Psycho4Bud
08-24-2005, 10:18 PM
Terrorism is a fiction of our nations' imagination.

Don't even know how to respond to that. You should watch some TV or at least read a paper some time!

I want Mother Nature to stand up and put an end to this shit, and hopefully take anyone that beleives in religion of any kind with her.
.

Don't worry about Mother Nature, she's like a self cleaning oven. When the shit gets to thick she'll know how and when to click into self clean. The only bitch is that when it happens, I'm sure ALL governments have made plans, shelters, for their own elite for survival. Grab a bottle and a bag cause it'll be our last big bash!! :eek:

Torog
08-25-2005, 01:32 PM
Howdy new,

You had this to say:" ''the safety of the american people'' ''yeah i am torog a real american hero who fought in vietnam''.....hey torog why did america lose the war in vietnam?
have you ever thought of what you were fighting for?

what? you were not holding a gun in that war and your duty was to clean the toilets? hey man since you're so much concerned about the freedom of america and you want to fight for it you should join the army again and fight along with the rest of the dickheads in afghanistan or iraq instead of bla bla bla bla bla in a peaceful and openminded forum like this one.... "

First off..I didn't go to Vietnam..I just missed that one..Secondly,the military did not lose the war in Vietnam,the politicians decided to pull out before we should have and did not give the military what it neded to finish the job. As a result of civil protest and spine-less politicians,the commies over-run Cambodia,Laos and Vietnam..and murdered millions. We were there to stop the commies from taking over,but by pulling out before we should have,as is wanted by many in regards to Iraq,disasterous consequences resulted.

I joined the Navy,when I was only 17..I didn't clean toilets,but was training to be an FT,fire control technician,a feller who launches missiles from a ship..yup..I was gonna have my finger on the big red button..I hope that sends a chill down yer spine...I have over 3 years of electronics training under my belt and I can't help but wonder..have you ever gone to college and earned a degree ?

As for me going back in,I wish that I could,but I'm too old and crippled and they won't let me come back..caling my fellow veterans and soldiers,'dickheads',for trying to give folks a chance for Freedom..just lets me know that you selfishly cling to yer freedom..with no compunctions about giving other folks the same..that's not only sad..but cowardly.

I'm here to give my take on things,to let folks know that there are other opinions besides the usual cowardly leftie crap..not to be the best poster or win a popularity contest..that's something that the liberal mind-set seeks,as they are mostly vain and self-centered and feel the need to make friends with everyone.

Have a good one....

pisshead
08-25-2005, 01:42 PM
it was designed to lose the war in vietnam...it was meant to a protracted war...war is a business. how else would the military industrial complex get more and more and more power and funding.

kill zone by col. craig roberts is just one book about this...you should read it torog. i'd mail you a copy if you want.

not to mention, the gulf of tonkin never happened! the LBJ library released the phone recordings of LBJ. we attacked our own ship in order to start a war...

gee, where have we seen this happen before...

Nicoli
08-25-2005, 11:36 PM
Now I will tell you what happened to me.....

a week ago....2am there is this loud bagging on our front door....really loud like the door is coming off the hinges...

I yelled at my husband (who can sleep through anything) :rolleyes:
then he has to get his pants on...if it was a murderer I'd be dead already :rolleyes:
Anyway....he gets to the door and it is the POLICE...

they push their way in and as I am coming out of the bedroom they are shining light in my eyes and they are looking in every room of our house. Now keep in mind WE NEVER INVITED THEM IN.

THey were yelling that a 911 call had originated from our house.


Stop right there. Did you ever consider seeking legal assistance? This was clearly an illegal entry and grounds for a lawsuit. The fact is that all 911 calls are documented and recorded, so if you were to issue a supena on the non-existent records the police would be screwed and forced to settle.


In some areas this is true! I have actually talked personally to an ex CIA guy and he told me for fact that is the case in Columbia....they don't burn huge piles of weed like they show on TV just a small amount for show...the rest is sold right back to the drug dealers and put back into circulation....

Again the rich feeding off the poor.

Now why would that seem shocking or be a surprise anyone? Like you said thereâ??s a war on drugs and military doctrine infers that to use the enemies resources to better enable completion of your own objectives while frustrating the enemies efforts to do the same.

As for the rich feeding off of the poor, well if by rich you mean the government then we are all victims of this injustice. (since Iâ??m anti-statist I agree, sort of)


you're a slave, you have no right to property or privacy anymore. it's downhill from here, but it doesn't have to be. it's a covert coup on the republic, where we elect the new bosses, same as the old bosses.

or maybe i'm just really stoned.

Elect new bosses you say? Somehow I doubt that alleviate the situation seeing as this is a two party system and those tyrants that think us undeserving of property rights wear black robes and are not elected by the people.



Well electoral process is the best way to fight it for now....if they try to pull that electronic voting crap again....we are just fucked.


We children of liberty are doomed to become adults enjoying complicity with tyranny. Reasoning behind my assertion, see above + Iâ??ll start another thread later to discuss this in more detail.


yes, voting on the local level is the key. national elections are staged...you'll always get an establishment candidate on both sides...so you get end up getting the same thing in the end anyway.


The tyrants have spoken and they do not favor the local governments, so unfortunately such 'local' efforts are likely to be relatively fruitless especially when it comes to drug legalization.

Howdy Blue Cat,

I need and support medical mj and I don't like Bush's policy on it at all,but I didn't vote for Bush because of that..I voted for Bush because I knew that he would finally do something about saddam and sons..the safety of our nation..comes first..social engineering..after. That's the problem with the Left..they want to engage in social engineering..and national security comes last on their list of priorities.

We are at war and we need conservative mind-sets to git-r-done..after the grown-ups have secured our national security..maybe we can go back to dabbling in social engineering. I'm going to join the MPP here in Texas,and see if we can git HB 658 passed,the medical need defense bill.

Have a good one ....

Torog after reading some of your posts on this site I have come to the conclusion that some of your confidence in the executive(Bush) is well, misplaced. Bushâ??s #1 priority should be to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States of America. Based on some proposals from the executive, such as, operation TIPS, and the Domestic Security Enhancement Act I think itâ??s safe to say Bush is not fulfilling his duties via acceptable means. My opinion being a bit harsh in this regard is that Bush is a vacuous leader blinded by the ideals of his own arguably righteous motives, and it is that blindness that makes him a man of diabolical means. The scary thing is we have had presidents who have acted in a similar manner before, and who are considered some of the greatest presidents we have ever had.

And it seems that now I have to go, but Iâ??ll bb to finish what I started, soon.

nicholasstanko
08-27-2005, 02:54 AM
It has been addressed to the President, congress, and senate, where have you been?

If we are going to win this war at home we will have to follow every politician and how they vote. If they voted against Medical MJ screw them their OUT.

Any supreme court Justice that votes conservative should be fair game.
People need to know how their state reps. are voting and if it is not on the agenda PUT IT THERE.

I guess you could say "Put your money where your joint is."

Whether you like it or not The present Government is against us...and getting people to vote them ALL out is my goal.
I can't acheive that goal if I have to continually bicker with narrow minded flag wavers that only support Bush because they are afraid a terrorist is going to get them..

You will have to choose sides you know...this will come to a head.



she's right, psycho. fuck bleeding-heart med mj. its a right for ALL humans to enjoy. i have a canadian cannabis card, but i still smoke up because i enjoy smoking weed. the dea has no right to tell me i cant do that.

the big fucking dea. they dont worry about anything except snatching up some college kid walking home from a party, so they can go and eat their doughnuts and helped eradicate scum from the earth.

id love to see them try that shit in compton or some poor black/latino/chino/whatever ghetto. big fucking men. gimme a break. its all a sham.

nicholasstanko
08-27-2005, 02:59 AM
Now I will tell you what happened to me.....

a week ago....2am there is this loud bagging on our front door....really loud like the door is coming off the hinges...

I yelled at my husband (who can sleep through anything) :rolleyes:
then he has to get his pants on...if it was a murderer I'd be dead already :rolleyes:
Anyway....he gets to the door and it is the POLICE...

they push their way in and as I am coming out of the bedroom they are shining light in my eyes and they are looking in every room of our house. Now keep in mind WE NEVER INVITED THEM IN.

THey were yelling that a 911 call had originated from our house.

So I immediately thought my youngest son might be hurt of something and headed for his room....the police in tow...
He was asleep and fine. He sleeps by a loud fan so he did not hear the police yelling but as I turned on the light he woke up.

The cops were saying they know a call came from our house. They went to all our phones...and starting pushing numbers and talking to someone....then they said Oh we are so sorry to wake you up... There must be a problem with our system, that happens. Then they left. WTF??!!
Now I know that is bullshit. I have NEVER heard of a 911 system problem like that before, HAVE YOU?

Now keep in mind I have never done anything wrong...no police record I have never even had a speeding or parking ticket nor has my husband...well he had a speeding ticket...but I have not EVER.

I think they were looking for a grow op or something because I am very out spoken about legalization of Weed...which I'm sure you have not noticed. :)

They looked in my hall closet for God's sake...why would they look in the closet? They assumed the 911 caller was hiding in there? Give me a break..

So as a warning to all growers evidently if the cops "think" a 911 call comes from your house they can march right in...
I guess it was our mistake opening the door but what are you suppose to do?

THIS IS WAR you better get ready.


hell yeh this is some serious shit. im not interested in travelling to america to liberate pot smokers freedom, but if the government of my country came to my door talking shit about how theyre gonna take my weed, thats the day before you read a headline talking about how nicholas stanko died with a gun in his hands.


dont fuck with me, government gary. ill make hell seem like heaven while stoned

nicholasstanko
08-27-2005, 03:01 AM
Must be some gooood shit! :D

jesus christ psycho, sometimes i think youre undercover dea or cia or some shit. you talk like a spook trying to get info on a grow op or somthin/

nicholasstanko
08-27-2005, 03:15 AM
Howdy Blue Cat,

You state:"As for you Torog.....you have just more tiresome *yawn* excuses for backing the asshole that is doing everything to CONTROL our rights.....
In your own words you said that you put your support for Bush over legalizing cannabis....

So IMO you don't belong here. Go light one up with the republican party. "

You got it wrong,maam...I support the safety of Americans and America,as a primary priority..I don't support everything that Bush does,especially with the drug war and the border situation,but at least he ain't sitting on his hands,when it comes to dealing with terrorism,like Clinton did.

There are more conservative,right-wing tokers in these here parts..than daggum left-wing tokers..to ignore that fact,is wrong and to deny ten's of thousands of redneck tokers like me from being a part of these sites and to deny them the chance to help with the legalization of marijuana,is even worse..shame on you ! Just because you hate,despise and loath,Southern stoners and Southerners of all stripes,doesn't mean that you have the right to exclude us from participation.

By all means,keep yer snobby,elitist self,way up north in Yankee land..the South will rise again !

Have a good one ...



How far back does your brain go, torog? do you think radical islamic terrorists have been popping up only after clinto got into power? there was a president bush resideing before him. in fact i think it was the same one lording over the gulf war....hmmmm.....


bush sr. didnt bother getting rid of saddam, just gave him a spanking and left him alone. saddam got the message and kept to himself. years later, the time for the scapegoat to serve its purpose came, and we have yet another war.


yep...lets blame it all on clinton.... :rolleyes:

nicholasstanko
08-27-2005, 03:19 AM
we're on the verge of scrapping the constitution all together and exchanging it for a martial law dictatorship (tommy franks said that, too) to keep us safe from the evil freedom hating muslim terrorists...we've got to give up our rights to protect our rights!

double plus good!

weed should be the least of our worries. seriously though, all drugs should be legal, all of them. it probably will never happen...the feds mean business when they protect their drug cartels.

total legalisation is the key. the feds know that. they invest BILLIONS into researching carefully thought out cause-and-effect reactions. they know exactly what to do to condition and train you into the right way of thinking.


how the fuck would drug cartels stay in business or make money to supply their criminal workforce if a pound of weed only costs five or ten dollars?


what do you think will happen when they finally push to ban abortion? we'll just have black market abortion clinics that endanger the lives of mothers and their children even further.


uncle sam doesnt give a fuck about you. wake up.

Nicoli
08-27-2005, 06:41 AM
it was designed to lose the war in vietnam...it was meant to a protracted war...war is a business. how else would the military industrial complex get more and more and more power and funding.


You got it right, unlike most who I've conversed with in the past that think cannabis is illegal because of the 'moral majority', 'right-wing conpericy', 'fundmenatlist Christans' ect. The fact is that if drug legalization were with excessive haste the economic consequences would be prodigious to say the least. Just imagine how many people would find there carriers at an end. Tons of police, DEA, FBI, customs, and corrections officals would learn that their termination and the termination of the war on drugs are linked. Industries that supported government operations in the war on drugs would meet a fate similar to those who used to be responsible for fighting the war. When all the dust settled you'd probably have 100,000s of unemployed people looking for work. Lets not forget that some of our leaders love to point to drugs as the source of societies problems, but in many cases those problems are nothing more then the result of incompetent leadership.
This debauched and arguably dysfunctional system exemplifies some of the inherent flaws of statism. Initially statist operations like the war on drugs start off with the aim of correcting what are perceived to be real problems, and in some cases real problems are indeed solved. Unfortunately, archaic government agencies and policies, as well as many special interest groups and bureaucracies, always do whatever they can to find way to justify their continued existence. The people, who they were intended, serve usually start to suffer some degree of institutionalization , and thus find the prospect of removing them somewhat unattractive despite the fact that many of those same people realize, deep down, that theyâ??d be better off without them. (research how many people responded to the democratization of the former Soviet Union to get a better sense of what Iâ??m talking about, or if you want to understand it on a micro-scale research how some prisoners are afraid to leave prison after having been there for many years.)

nicholasstanko
08-28-2005, 02:04 AM
You got it right, unlike most who I've conversed with in the past that think cannabis is illegal because of the 'moral majority', 'right-wing conpericy', 'fundmenatlist Christans' ect. The fact is that if drug legalization were with excessive haste the economic consequences would be prodigious to say the least. Just imagine how many people would find there carriers at an end. Tons of police, DEA, FBI, customs, and corrections officals would learn that their termination and the termination of the war on drugs are linked. Industries that supported government operations in the war on drugs would meet a fate similar to those who used to be responsible for fighting the war. When all the dust settled you'd probably have 100,000s of unemployed people looking for work. Lets not forget that some of our leaders love to point to drugs as the source of societies problems, but in many cases those problems are nothing more then the result of incompetent leadership.
This debauched and arguably dysfunctional system exemplifies some of the inherent flaws of statism. Initially statist operations like the war on drugs start off with the aim of correcting what are perceived to be real problems, and in some cases real problems are indeed solved. Unfortunately, archaic government agencies and policies, as well as many special interest groups and bureaucracies, always do whatever they can to find way to justify their continued existence. The people, who they were intended, serve usually start to suffer some degree of institutionalization , and thus find the prospect of removing them somewhat unattractive despite the fact that many of those same people realize, deep down, that theyâ??d be better off without them. (research how many people responded to the democratization of the former Soviet Union to get a better sense of what Iâ??m talking about, or if you want to understand it on a micro-scale research how some prisoners are afraid to leave prison after having been there for many years.)


you got pretty much all of that right. I think that if weed and drugs were legalised you wouldnt have to get rid of the dea.

they could easily make it like the alcohol/tobacco task foce. Instead of having those guys fly in and shootup an innocent family, you could have them ensuring people dont go crazy. like enforcing a non-public consumption ban, or even going in and grabbing the occassional deadbeat dad who prostitutes his kids for a fix.

the government perpetrates an image of total social decline when in reality, if you take away the means of MAKING huge amounts of drug money and you leave people alone, most of them will be just fine.

Psycho4Bud
08-28-2005, 04:02 PM
jesus christ psycho, sometimes i think youre undercover dea or cia or some shit. you talk like a spook trying to get info on a grow op or somthin/

Now this is how this started:

Originally Posted by pisshead
you're a slave, you have no right to property or privacy anymore. it's downhill from here, but it doesn't have to be. it's a covert coup on the republic, where we elect the new bosses, same as the old bosses.

or maybe i'm just really stoned.

My Response:

Must be some gooood shit!


Now I'm undercover CIA or DEA? Crack kills Nich. All your posts consist of the same crap: Fuck you, your an idiot, your DEA, your CIA, get a clue..BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....

It's going to be an absolute pleasure to have someone of your great intellect become a new U.S. citizen! :rolleyes:

Now slooooowww down and read the above post...IT WAS A JOKE...GET IT...HA, HA...nobody was trying to squash your poor little rights! :D

nicholasstanko
08-28-2005, 06:19 PM
Now this is how this started:

Originally Posted by pisshead
you're a slave, you have no right to property or privacy anymore. it's downhill from here, but it doesn't have to be. it's a covert coup on the republic, where we elect the new bosses, same as the old bosses.

or maybe i'm just really stoned.

My Response:

Must be some gooood shit!


Now I'm undercover CIA or DEA? Crack kills Nich. All your posts consist of the same crap: Fuck you, your an idiot, your DEA, your CIA, get a clue..BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....

It's going to be an absolute pleasure to have someone of your great intellect become a new U.S. citizen! :rolleyes:

Now slooooowww down and read the above post...IT WAS A JOKE...GET IT...HA, HA...nobody was trying to squash your poor little rights! :D


psycho..calm down....i was poking fun, not trying to be paranoid... :cool:


geesh! i mean look at it again, if i were a noob charged with the task of rooting out potential narcs, then what would i think?


it wouldnt matter if you were cia or fbi or fuckin the grand goblin of the martian kkk, you step to my house trying to take my weed, you get caps blown in your fuckin ass.


and thas my word, my nigga :cool:

Psycho4Bud
08-28-2005, 07:00 PM
geesh! i mean look at it again, if i were a noob charged with the task of rooting out potential narcs, then what would i think?

Now lets check out past posts and figure that one out...Hmmmmm. :rolleyes:


it wouldnt matter if you were cia or fbi or fuckin the grand goblin of the martian kkk, you step to my house trying to take my weed, you get caps blown in your fuckin ass.

O.K. Nick....bustin' caps huh.

nicholasstanko
08-28-2005, 09:50 PM
O.K. Nick....bustin' caps huh.



nah not really, detective.


im saving my bullets for the chino-rusian trops when they invade.

Psycho4Bud
08-28-2005, 10:02 PM
nah not really, detective.


im saving my bullets for the chino-rusian trops when they invade.

LOL....damn, thought you turned Republican on us!
BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

nicholasstanko
08-28-2005, 11:15 PM
LOL....damn, thought you turned Republican on us!
BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!



lol..thats our psycho :rolleyes: