Pro-Bush Demonstrators Counter Sheehan

[Torog]

Pro-Bush Demonstrators Counter Sheehan [FR, Heart Of Texas Crawford Rally] (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1463204/posts)
NewsMax ^ (http://freerepublic.com/^http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/14/113453.shtml) | Aug 14, 2005 | With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff


Posted on 08/14/2005 11:04:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (http://freerepublic.com/~jimrobinson/)


Demonstrators backing President Bush's war on terrorism traveled to Crawford, Texas, on Friday and Saturday - as the media continued to focus on Gold Star mother Cindy Sheehan's anti-war protest outside Bush's ranch.

Led by syndicated radio host and NewsMax contributor Mike Gallagher, more than 100 pro-Bush demonstrators arrived on Friday, as part of what Gallagher called a "pro-America bus trip."

"This is not about Cindy Sheehan," Gallagher told the Waco Tribune Herald, after leading a chorus of "God Bless America" and "The Star-Spangled Banner." "We're here to support all our troops and all the men and women who died, including [Sheehan's] son. She has the right to believe the way she believes, but we do, too, and that's why we're here."

On Saturday, reinforcements arrived in the form of "The Heart of Texas" Chapter of FreeRepublic.com, which staged a support-the-troops rally that drew 250 people, according to WCBS Newsradio 880.

Rally organizer Kristinn Taylor also stressed that the protest was not an attack on Sheehan.

"It's about supporting the troops, the president and the war on terrorists," he told NewsMax.

"The Heart of Texas Chapter of FreeRepublic.com is comprised of patriotic Americans, many of whom are veterans or have family members that are serving, or have served in the military," the group said in a press release.

Among those attending the pro-Bush rally was Thomas Zapp, of Richmond, Texas, whose 20-year-old son, Marine Lance Cpl. T.J. Zapp, was killed by a bomb in Iraq on Nov. 8, 2004.

Zapp said that it was unfair for Sheehan to demand a second meeting with the president when many parents of slain GIs, like himself, have not even had a single meeting.

"I have not met with President Bush," he told the Tribune-Herald. "Why should she get to meet with President Bush again?" "I firmly believe our president is sincere with what we have to do and I believe that he's under enormous pressure and he's doing the best he can. I'm here to support him," Zapp added.

[amsterdam]

that lady is also a rascist jew hater.people should have a field day with her.W should never meet with that crazy woman

[Torog]

Howdy amsterdam,

I didn't realize that Sheehan was also anti-semetic,I presumed that she was,because she's a liberal and most liberals are hoping that the arab world will destroy Israel and kill all Jews..where-ever they may be found...

Here's an report from the rally..just one of many by those who were there..I wish that I coul have been !
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FUNNY STORY FROM RALLY

My hubby, Blastus, was talking to some of the lefties as they drove by our rally area. One lady was looking for the Cindy rally and wanted to know if the parking lot after ours was for her. He said it was but that it was reserved for hybrid cars only. She turned around. LOL. They are so gullible.

From last night:

Guess I will go ahead and post some rally report news here. My hubby Blastus, me and the freeper jrs. arrived about 11:30 a.m. Basil, DoctorRauel (sp?), Gracey, DrewsDad, TheBatLady(Lady Libery) were already on site. We helped set up and waited for everyone else.

In the beginning I thought I was going to be disappointed as we had already made one wrong turn and drove by the "hippie house" first. Folks there were holding "Cindy's Rally" signs. A quick call to basil got us to the right street. Basil told us to go down the road about a mile and we would see them on the left. Well, we went down the road and saw a big parking lot full of cars! My heart just about stopped. Then it sank when we drove by and figured out it was also for "Cindy's Rally". We had our window down and a "lady" asked us if we were there for Cindy. Hubby said he wasn't sure, was she there for Cindy? When she said "yes" we knew we were in the wrong location. We said we were here to support the troops as we turned around. Of course she said she was there to support them also and in fact her daughter was one of them! So now we know that there are more Casey's in this world whose parents undermine them at every opportunity.

We started the rally a bit late as we knew some folks were still on their way. It worked out well as it gave time for interviews. Dr.R and Basil did a great job. I was surprised that we had as much press coverage as we did. Even after the rally hubby was talking with a guy from an independent radio show. There was also a lady from Germany doing a documentary. I think I have that correct.

The Marine Moms and the soldier who spoke were just wonderful. Also, DrewsDad's son, did a great job reading the "If not for the soldier" (can't remember official name). Dad should be very proud.

Enjoyed meeting lots of freepers who we have only known by freep name. Blastus enjoyed talking to the secret service guy, the police and the lefties driving by. He also questioned them about the gas mileage on their oil burning, gas guzzling SUVs, trucks and minivans. I don't think we saw one protester on a bike! He did compliment the few he saw walking to their rally but we know they had a oil burner parked somewhere! They also had "shuttles" going back and forth all day.

One thing I'm not sure is clear on this thread is that our rally was not out by Cindy Sheehan. There were freepers out there but it wasn't the HOT Chapter rally. Maybe the left freaked out because they saw us at two locations.

Update Apparently Blastus talked to Guy James after the rally. Guy James is a leftie with a radio show in Florida and Texas(?). (BTW..his webpage says he is in financial trouble. So sad..SARCASM) He didn't stick around long and his main objective was to try to get someone to say the rally was about Cindy and not the troops. Didn't work. He also told my hubby that "you can support the troops at home". THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT FOLKS! THEY WANT YOU TO STAY HOME! DON'T GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT!

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Have a good one !

[amsterdam]

she is teamed up with moore now,lol,and is also speaking on web-sites that are extremely anti-jew.give em enough rope and they always hang themselves.

[BlueCat]

I didn't realize that Sheehan was also anti-semetic,I presumed that she was,because she's a liberal and most liberals are hoping that the arab world will destroy Israel and kill all Jews..where-ever they may be found...

You are full of shit Torog. Most people want all the HUGE amounts of aid going to Israel to stop....We are not taking care of our children HERE and you want to sends billions to one of the riches nations in the world. The antisemetic card has been played into the ground. The jewish people got such a bad shake with hilter it created a sympathy backlash that has allowed the Israel government to get away with murder..literally. It is not the JEWISH people where the problem lies it is with the Government of Israel. Their own Isreali soldiers are refusing to kill palestians. You really should do your research...being anti Israeli government is NOT BEING ANTI SEMETIC

You are never going to get a grasp of reality if you are constantly going to make this a Conservative liberal thing. "liberal" or "conservative" are just catch phases for people that are too stupid to understand what is really going on ...blame it in a liberal or conservative.. step outside the box for once.

[Torog]

I didn't realize that Sheehan was also anti-semetic,I presumed that she was,because she's a liberal and most liberals are hoping that the arab world will destroy Israel and kill all Jews..where-ever they may be found...

You are full of shit Torog. Most people want all the HUGE amounts of aid going to Israel to stop....We are not taking care of our children HERE and you want to sends billions to one of the riches nations in the world. The antisemetic card has been played into the ground. The jewish people got such a bad shake with hilter it created a sympathy backlash that has allowed the Israel government to get away with murder..literally. It is not the JEWISH people where the problem lies it is with the Government of Israel. Their own Isreali soldiers are refusing to kill palestians. You really should do your research...being anti Israeli government is NOT BEING ANTI SEMETIC

You are never going to get a grasp of reality if you are constantly going to make this a Conservative liberal thing. "liberal" or "conservative" are just catch phases for people that are too stupid to understand what is really going on ...blame it in a liberal or conservative.. step outside the box for once.
Howdy Blue Cat,

'Most people' don't want the aid to Israel stopped..the only ones that want it stopped,are those intent on destroying Israel and folks like you,who don't understand what will happen,if we abandon Israel and force them to use every weapon in their arsenal..to survive against the arab world.

Islam was created not for spiritual enlightenment,but as a means of wiping out all Jews, Christians and infidels, to create a world-wide Islamic State of Darfur.

Since most liberals don't understand military strategy or tactics,whereas conservatives do..it is a left/right issue.

Have a good one ...

[BlueCat]

Since most liberals don't understand military strategy or tactics,whereas conservatives do..it is a left/right issue.

1st Islam has been around since approx. 600 AD it was not created to take down the jews.....do some research as to when it came about and why. :rolleyes: You really do need to back up stupid remarks like that.

2nd since you are a "conservative" and according to your logic you must "get" the foreign policy that I am just too dumb to understand...so enlighten me.

Explain the following....
A few highlights of recent US Foreign Policy ...

CIA's overthrow of democratic governments in Guatemala, Brazil, Chile, Guyana, Iran, Indonesia and Congo.

CIA's overthrow of Iraq's government in 60's and installation of Saddam.

US terrorism in Nicaragua leading to condemnation by the World Court.

CIA training and support of death squads and repressive secret police in Iran, Indonesia, El Salvador, Chile, Guatemala and Vietnam.

And don't just give some shit kicker phases....explain them one at a time...no hurry.
Share some of that infinite good ol boy wisdom of yours. :)

[amsterdam]

Howdy Blue Cat,

'Most people' don't want the aid to Israel stopped..the only ones that want it stopped,are those intent on destroying Israel and folks like you,who don't understand what will happen,if we abandon Israel and force them to use every weapon in their arsenal..to survive against the arab world.

Islam was created not for spiritual enlightenment,but as a means of wiping out all Jews, Christians and infidels, to create a world-wide Islamic State of Darfur.

Since most liberals don't understand military strategy or tactics,whereas conservatives do..it is a left/right issue.

Have a good one ...


or foreign policy apparently?

[BlueCat]

so explain it Hamster, I'm waiting.

[amsterdam]

are you kidding?perhaps read it again.its not complicated.especially post 9/11.

[BlueCat]

so if it is not complicated break it down for me Hamster...splain it to me.

[amsterdam]

i already did.be a good girl and read again.

[BlueCat]

just as I thought. :rolleyes:

[amsterdam]

did you read what i posted like 30 minutes ago?amazing.

oh,the iraqis should be wrapping up their constitution in about 2 hours.

[bhallg2k]

It's funny how conservatives speak over and over again about protecting Israel as if it's some altruistic expression of democracy rather than a selfish Christian prophecy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if the Bible didn't link Jesus' return with Israel, conservatives wouldn't care in the least.

[BlueCat]

whatever Hamster if it was so prophetic post it again....

Back on topic...the thing that bothers me most about this Sheehan story is that the problem could have easily been solved a few weeks ago. All Bush had to do was go outside and say I am sorry for your loss. Let her vent and thats it story over.

Instead he is doing what he always does he is hiding. He does not give a shit about anyone but himself.

Bush defended his decision not to meet with Sheehan. by saying "I think it's important for me to be thoughtful and sensitive to those who have got something to say. But. I think it's also important for me to go on with my life." Bush's comments came before he went on a two-hour bike ride with journalists and aides. In addition, Bush spent Saturday attending a Little League baseball game, having lunch w/ Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, napping, fishing and reading. On Friday Bush attended a political fundraiser. Tensions are also rising in Crawford. One local farmer fired a gun on his property near the protest site. When asked if he was trying to send a message the farmer said, "Figure it out for yourself."

I am sick of this hayseed mentality.
Bush wants to go on with his life? Fuck him!!! I want to go on with my life too!!! I want my son home this christmas. I want him home in one peice and not scarred from being knee deep in blood and brains for hours and hours. It has been 3 weeks straight now....12 to 15 hours a day non stop kids blown to fuckings peices. They are coming in just as much from Afganistan too.

Fuck you and "your life" George Bush you sadistic pig. You guys want to support him go ahead. drink the kool-aid this guy thinks of people as below him we are his serfs. He was in Germany just 15 minutes from Landstuhl hospital and he did not even take the time to stop in and see one injured soldier NOT ONE!!

The doctors are furious. If you support Bush you are the enemy. I have had it with you fucking people. You go fight this war if you love it so much and let our kids come home.

[amsterdam]

HE ALREADY MET WITH HER,she isnt special.

she is just making herself look stupid now.her husband left her last week too.

[BlueCat]

He could have spoken with her as an indiviual....

He could have taken a few minutes from his bike ride....

He could have taken a few minutes from his nap time to visit soldiers...

Keep drinking the kool-aid hamster slave.

[amsterdam]

HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,NOT A FUCKING SHRINK.


he probably would have met with her again but she is now out just for herself and is embarassing her family and her son.that kid was a soldier who signed back up to stay in iraq and was killed on a rescue mission he didnt have to go on.

she is nothing more than an rascist.

[Psycho4Bud]

[QUOTE=amsterdam]HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,NOT A FUCKING SHRINK.
QUOTE]


BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :D

Now that was good!!! :D

[BlueCat]

You know I really think you arm chair soldiers should go fight this war...
None of you are making any sacrifice...then you judge people that have had their lives destroyed...something you know nothing about..

You brave oral soldiers.....talk talk talk

You use excuses like age, felon records or back injury as a reason not to go help your country. You just want to hang a flag in your yard and call yourself good patriots..
you just want to paint a pretty picture like nothing is wrong.

It does not look like the terrorist have any age or health requirements.....Why should we?
Bush opened it up for you guys to go...there are plenty of contracting companies that will take you.
So why don't you guys take the place of some of those tired soldiers?....
Be good patriots and GO!

[amsterdam]

i love it!!

nananana,,,nananana,hey hey hey goodbye.

no one said everything is great smartass,but things are moving along just fine and will continue to do so.

go back and hank out with dailykos kiddies and bust up starbucks.

[NowhereMan]

whatever Hamster if it was so prophetic post it again....

Back on topic...the thing that bothers me most about this Sheehan story is that the problem could have easily been solved a few weeks ago. All Bush had to do was go outside and say I am sorry for your loss. Let her vent and thats it story over.

Instead he is doing what he always does he is hiding. He does not give a shit about anyone but himself.

Bush defended his decision not to meet with Sheehan. by saying "I think it's important for me to be thoughtful and sensitive to those who have got something to say. But. I think it's also important for me to go on with my life." Bush's comments came before he went on a two-hour bike ride with journalists and aides. In addition, Bush spent Saturday attending a Little League baseball game, having lunch w/ Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, napping, fishing and reading. On Friday Bush attended a political fundraiser. Tensions are also rising in Crawford. One local farmer fired a gun on his property near the protest site. When asked if he was trying to send a message the farmer said, "Figure it out for yourself."

I am sick of this hayseed mentality.
Bush wants to go on with his life? Fuck him!!! I want to go on with my life too!!! I want my son home this christmas. I want him home in one peice and not scarred from being knee deep in blood and brains for hours and hours. It has been 3 weeks straight now....12 to 15 hours a day non stop kids blown to fuckings peices. They are coming in just as much from Afganistan too.

Fuck you and "your life" George Bush you sadistic pig. You guys want to support him go ahead. drink the kool-aid this guy thinks of people as below him we are his serfs. He was in Germany just 15 minutes from Landstuhl hospital and he did not even take the time to stop in and see one injured soldier NOT ONE!!

The doctors are furious. If you support Bush you are the enemy. I have had it with you fucking people. You go fight this war if you love it so much and let our kids come home.


Back on topic...the thing that bothers me most about this Sheehan story is that the problem could have easily been solved a few weeks ago. All Bush had to do was go outside and say I am sorry for your loss. Let her vent and thats it story over.

Instead he is doing what he always does he is hiding. He does not give a shit about anyone but himself

i agree with you there 100% on gw's lil fucked up agenda.he could have .
i support our troops.and feel they are nothing to ol georgy-boy,
there is a real religious based war being waged in so many levels its scary
but the fact is that being used to do some bad things in a so called good cause and its saddens me that so many people will die over money.
i dont like haliburtons influence and sure as hell dont think we need to be in iraq now that WE CORRECTED A MISTAKE of PUTTING SADDEM IN POWER.

i dont hate arabs,jews or muslims or anyone for being themself if that does not include wanting every man,woman and child in the usa dead.
but those that seek to destroy my kids becuase some rich fucker taken over the white house and is a weasal.
i want those who volunteer to (military)
to go find them and shoot between the eyes
peace

[amsterdam]

he already spoke with her once,she isnt any different than any other family that has lost a loved one.not to mention that she is a little off her rocker.

[BlueCat]

those that seek to destroy my kids becuase some rich fucker taken over the white house and is a weasal.

Agreed! Thank you NowhereMan.

[Psycho4Bud]

those that seek to destroy my kids becuase some rich fucker taken over the white house and is a weasal.

Agreed! Thank you NowhereMan.

And the second choice for office was a French lovin piece of shit that has a lot more money than Bush!

Watched a show on TV the other night where they were following the troops as they cleaned up Fullujia. Brave people one and all with an attitude that their mission was a good one. SUPPORT the people that volunteered for combat!!
This woman that is being the "center of attention" is doing her sons friends no good at all!!!

[BlueCat]

It amazes me with all the injustice in this world you choose to fight one woman that has lost her child to a war she and MANY MANY others feel are is wrong....

[Psycho4Bud]

It amazes me with all the injustice in this world you choose to fight one woman that has lost her child to a war she and MANY MANY others feel are is wrong....

I'm not fighting her. In America anyone has the right to act like a dumbass and I for one will give her that! I think what she is doing is COMPLETELY disrespectful to her son and unit that he served in. If she wants to show her pretty lil' face on TV and disrespect him, that's her right as a dumbass!! :D

[Torog]

You know I really think you arm chair soldiers should go fight this war...
None of you are making any sacrifice...then you judge people that have had their lives destroyed...something you know nothing about..

You brave oral soldiers.....talk talk talk

You use excuses like age, felon records or back injury as a reason not to go help your country. You just want to hang a flag in your yard and call yourself good patriots..
you just want to paint a pretty picture like nothing is wrong.

It does not look like the terrorist have any age or health requirements.....Why should we?
Bush opened it up for you guys to go...there are plenty of contracting companies that will take you.
So why don't you guys take the place of some of those tired soldiers?....
Be good patriots and GO!
Howdy Blue Cat,

When DS1 broke out,I called my local recruiter and asked if there was anyway that I could git back in to help. When he found out that I was still recovering from back surgery-he said" thanks but no ". Now I'm beyond the age requirement and even though I have no felony record..the answer would still be 'no'.

Contracting companies,are civilian based and hire only civilians,they do not use their civilian employee's to swap out with tired soldiers. Due to both my age and back injury,civilian companies won't hire me..so much for that option.

I want to go and help,but I can't..so instead,I'll stay right here and do battle with folks such as yourself and I'll support the troops however that I can..and I will protect my community from terrorist attack.

What are you doing to fight muslim jihadism ? From where I sit..it looks more like you are undermining our troops,including your own family..and that's pretty daggum sad. If you keep up the attacks on our own troops,you may wind up in divorce court,like Cindy Sheehan is about to do. I would think that your husband and son,joined because they believed in the freedom of all humans..have you managed to convince them otherwise ? To not worry about the freedom of others,as long as you have your's ? Have you deliberately tried to destroy their morale and resolve to fight the enemies of freedom ? Out of a hatred for Bush ?

Have a good one ...

[Torog]

Howdy Blue Cat,

When DS1 broke out,I called my local recruiter and asked if there was anyway that I could git back in to help. When he found out that I was still recovering from back surgery-he said" thanks but no ". Now I'm beyond the age requirement and even though I have no felony record..the answer would still be 'no'.

Contracting companies,are civilian based and hire only civilians,they do not use their civilian employee's to swap out with tired soldiers. Due to both my age and back injury,civilian companies won't hire me..so much for that option.

I want to go and help,but I can't..so instead,I'll stay right here and do battle with folks such as yourself and I'll support the troops however that I can..and I will protect my community from terrorist attack.

What are you doing to fight muslim jihadism ? From where I sit..it looks more like you are undermining our troops,including your own family..and that's pretty daggum sad. If you keep up the attacks on our own troops,you may wind up in divorce court,like Cindy Sheehan is about to do. I would think that your husband and son,joined because they believed in the freedom of all humans..have you managed to convince them otherwise ? To not worry about the freedom of others,as long as you have your's ? Have you deliberately tried to destroy their morale and resolve to fight the enemies of freedom ? Out of a hatred for Bush ?

Have a good one ...
I forgot to add...click on the link in my signature..and send a care package to the troops if you can afford to do so .

[BlueCat]

oh yes that is it Torog....I'm an evil woman and I've convinced my son and husband to think like me....my husband found that really funny BTW.

We can get personal if that is what you want. Keep in mind it works both ways. You want to talk family, Tong Rat? Lets talk.

Oh and BTW my husbands best friend just went to Iraq with Parsons Energy and he is missing his leg above the knee, so you have to forgive me if I don't swallow your Bullshit.
Keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel better....that is the premise for your whole political agenda anyway "lies" why stop now.

[amsterdam]

parsons energy huh?wierd.wonder what they are up to?

[Torog]

oh yes that is it Torog....I'm an evil woman and I've convinced my son and husband to think like me....my husband found that really funny BTW.

We can get personal if that is what you want. Keep in mind it works both ways. You want to talk family, Tong Rat? Lets talk.

Oh and BTW my husbands best friend just went to Iraq with Parsons Energy and he is missing his leg above the knee, so you have to forgive me if I don't swallow your Bullshit.
Keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel better....that is the premise for your whole political agenda anyway "lies" why stop now.
Howdy Blue Cat,

Hmm..well according to you..civilian contract companies are using civilian employess to rotate out tired troops..so are ya saying that your husband's friend replaced a tired soldier ? I'd like to talk to Parsons Energy and see if they have a slot for me..btw,what is your friend's disability rating ? Mine is 100%..I suspect that his is less.

It sounds to me like your husband may be interested in joining Veterans for Peace..here's a story that will show what they do..and it ain't about supporting our side.
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CINDY SHEEHAN ALLIED WITH GROUPS THAT ENDORSE 'IRAQI RESISTANCE' (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1463940/posts)
Monday, August 15, 2005 | Kristinn


Posted on 08/15/2005 3:36:04 PM PDT


Antiwar protester Cindy Sheehan who is camped in Crawford, Texas demanding a meeting with President Bush over the death of son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, in combat in Iraq has surrounded herself with groups that have endorsed the so-called Iraqi resistance.

Last June, groups opposed to the American-led war to depose the regime of Saddam Hussein gathered in Istanbul to hear testimony before a 'jury of conscience' on charges of war crimes and violations of international law by the United States.

Endorsers of the statement issued by the World Tribunal on Iraq at the end of the conference include Code Pink Women for Peace, United for Peace and Justice and Veterans for Peace; while not a named endorser, Tim Goodrich, co-founder of Iraq Veterans Against the War , testified before the tribunal against his country.

Representatives of these four groups have been at Sheehan's side since she arrived in Crawford August 5.

The lengthy statement issued by the tribunal contains several statements legitimizing the so-called Iraqi Resistance. One reads, "It is the brutality of the occupation that has provoked a strong armed resistance and certain acts of desperation. By the principles embodied in the UN Charter and in international law, the popular national resistance to the occupation is legitimate and justified. It deserves the support of people everywhere who care for justice and freedom."

Another statement by the tribunal denounces the January election in Iraq and the new constitution being constructed by the Iraqi parliament:"Any law or institution created under the aegis of occupation is devoid of both legal and moral authority. The recently concluded election, the Constituent Assembly, the current government, and the drafting committee for the Constitution are therefore all illegitimate."

Code Pink Women for Peace, United for Peace and Justice, Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War, despite what they tell the media in Crawford, are not peace groups. They have taken sides against America and stand with the terrorists killing American soldiers in Iraq. Cindy Sheehan, grieving mother of a fallen G.I., stands with those who stand with our enemies.

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If you have something to tell me about my family..go for it..if the worst thing that you can find..is my concern for my daughter because she lives too close to a nuclear plant-then yer barkin up the wrong tree..if it is something else..tell me and we'll see if any mods need to be brought into this fray between you and me.

Have a good one ....

[BlueCat]

no Torog I never said they were using contrators for soldiers...I said give a soldier a break...by going. More to help out sooner to come home...I know the concept is a little complicated for you to grasp.

anything you or I say is on the web is free press so if you don't want it then don't post it. You attack my family I'll go for yours.

Mods? You fucking coward go get your mods..I have done nothing wrong but defend my family and my right to say the president is a sadistic lying asshole and so are his followers.

[amsterdam]

no Torog I never said they were using contrators for soldiers...I said give a soldier a break...by going. More to help out sooner to come home...I know the concept is a little complicated for you to grasp.

anything you or I say is on the web is free press so if you don't want it then don't post it. You attack my family I'll go for yours.

Mods? You fucking coward go get your mods..I have done nothing wrong but defend my family and my right to say the president is a sadistic lying asshole and so are his followers.


you lying idiot,YOU WERE THE ONE WHO RAN TO THE MODS TO GET PICTURES YOU DIDNT LIKE OFF THE SITE.nice try though.

[amsterdam]

free press huh,only when you agree with the content right.get real.

[BlueCat]

You posted people blown to peices and then were gloating about it. You are a sadistic little thug.
You only have fight in you if Torog or psycho are around. so you can feed off their comments. You don't have the capacity for individual thought. I bet you were one of those disgusting little bullies in school that started shit then ran to hid behind your friends.

[Torog]

no Torog I never said they were using contrators for soldiers...I said give a soldier a break...by going. More to help out sooner to come home...I know the concept is a little complicated for you to grasp.

anything you or I say is on the web is free press so if you don't want it then don't post it. You attack my family I'll go for yours.

Mods? You f*cking coward go get your mods..I have done nothing wrong but defend my family and my right to say the president is a sadistic lying asshole and so are his followers.
Howdy Blue Cat,

You didn't make yourself clear,when you said that civilians could replace soldiers on the battle-line..I think that yer stretching that point somewhat.

You implied that you could reveal sensitive and private info about my family,in which case I might need a mod to delete that info..that ain't being cowardly..that's protecting my family.

You do understand who fought for and gave you the 'right' to call the president an asshole,don't ya ? It seems to me..that you don't understand the selfless sacrifice that it takes to volunteer to free others from oppression. Was your husband a volunteer or draftee ? I know that your son was a volunteer,at least he believes in all folks being free..why don't you ?

I still want to know-does Parsons Energy,hire 100% disabled veterans with experience in the oil patch ? You see..I would love to go and fight for the freedom of the Iraqi's and others in the middle-east..and I could use the money too..maybe I should look em up on the net ? I would love to "give a soldier a break"..and if going to work for a civilian contractor over there will do it..I'm all for it.

Have a good one ....

[amsterdam]

In high school i was a preppy baseball player who hung out with everyone,from the jocks,to the stoners,everyone.im still like that.my click ranges from hippies to cowboys and everyone in between.dont let your opinions influence the way you imagine people.closed minds and being uncultured are not attractive traits.

how do you figure,i post here all the time with actual stories about things going on.not opinion pieces and extremist thoughts.

[BlueCat]

closed minds and being uncultured are not attractive traits.

I take it there are no mirrors in your house then.

[NowhereMan]

those that seek to destroy my kids becuase some rich fucker taken over the white house and is a weasal.

Agreed! Thank you NowhereMan.
your welcome

i think the info out there to be sorted thru is so vast most folks are confused as hell,i for one dont claim to know all there is,or how to fix shit,
but that weasal haliburton whore gotta enough blood money
i want him go back to texas and fall off his horse and break his back and need some pain meds,have them make him sick so a fat ass jiont be needed.
but oh thats right he will have the cocaine to take his pain,nm that.


hey i typed in (was bored)
www.gwb.com
got

http://www.moveon.org/

Paid for by MoveOn.org Political Action, http://political.moveon.org/. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee

odd but cool

[amsterdam]

closed minds and being uncultured are not attractive traits.

I take it there are no mirrors in your house then.


i had traveled more of the world by the age of 11 than you have yet?

[BlueCat]

i think the info out there to be sorted thru is so vast most folks are confused as hell,i for one dont claim to know all there is,or how to fix shit,

But the fact that you are questioning and looking puts you scores ahead of the rest.
wouldn't it be poetic justice... if the little wimp died by falling off his bike...lol One can dream..... :)

those are fun sites.... my favorite bush-asshole site is



http://www.bushflash.com/animation.html

[BlueCat]

I never said anything about private or sensative info my paranoid little man.... I said anything you have posted. Have you posted private info Tong rat?


As stated before my husband was volunteer in BOTH the Airforce then the Army.

[amsterdam]

i wonder why sheehan isnt protesting outside senator kerry's beach house in nantuckette or clintons home in manhattan?its because she could care less about bringing the troops home,all she wants to do is attack the administration with her rascist beliefs and unfounded claims.how many times has she changed her story now?isnt it michael moores web-site she posts on?i believe she has a real message to give,but teaming up with the forces of moveon.org and michael moore(who havent helped a candidate yet) was a gigantic mistake on the peoples part who have begun to USE her for their own reasons.i feel sorry for her and her family.

[Torog]

I never said anything about private or sensative info my paranoid little man.... I said anything you have posted. Have you posted private info Tong rat?


As stated before my husband was volunteer in BOTH the Airforce then the Army.
Howdy Blue Cat,

Okay..so you ain't talking about private info..as far as I know-I haven't posted any private info..as for my posts at FreeRepublic dot com ,the last thing you found there,was my worry about the safety of a nuclear power plant,after more than one hurricane passed over it..what's so bad about that ?

Glad to hear that your husband was volunteer..does that mean that he wanted to stop the advance of communism into Vietnam ? If so..at least he believed in other folk's freedom..at one time..good for him.

Have a good one ...

[BlueCat]

i had traveled more of the world by the age of 11 than you have yet?


Hamster that makes no sense what so ever....please explain.. are you asking where I have been?

I have been to Canada, Most of Central America, All states except Hawaii...

Assorted Islands, a few places in Europe, Turkey and Iran.

Your post is a statement but it has a question mark so I don't get what you are saying.

I really have to brush up on my "Hamsterese"....it is a tough language. :D

[BlueCat]

I really think you need a Hamsterman avatar..... :D

Hamsters are cute it is not a bad name ya know.... :D

[papaw]

And the second choice for office was a French lovin piece of shit that has a lot more money than Bush!

Watched a show on TV the other night where they were following the troops as they cleaned up Fullujia. Brave people one and all with an attitude that their mission was a good one. SUPPORT the people that volunteered for combat!!
This woman that is being the "center of attention" is doing her sons friends no good at all!!!
There are an infinite number of choices to be president. The problem is that the dems and reps don't want us to realize that. They live behind their high walls and keep playing their little games with people's lives. The only way to fix this nation's problems is to get out of the mindset that we have to vote for one extreme or another. I agree that Kerry was worthless, but you have to admit that Bush is the biggest fucking loser that this country has ever put into office. Don't try to name other presidents that were worse than Bush. Anyone who made it past 3rd grade knows what an idiot he is. I didn't vote for the asshole, but I think he probably isn't as bad as Kerry would have been. Just goes to show that everyone needs to start thinking outside the box more and get some politicians in office who aren't solely there for their own personal gain or to pay back their supporters. So, just remember you do not have to vote only dem or rep, you do have choices even if you don't understand that. Just one person's opinion.

[pisshead]

here's some video evil alex jones got with cindy sheehan when he took a trip up to crawford...and some sane and insane bush supporters.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/200805campcasey.htm

you may need a username and password for this one:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/august2005/190805jonesreport.htm

d_adamec at yahoo.com for details on a username and password...

[Psycho4Bud]

There are an infinite number of choices to be president. The problem is that the dems and reps don't want us to realize that. They live behind their high walls and keep playing their little games with people's lives. The only way to fix this nation's problems is to get out of the mindset that we have to vote for one extreme or another. I agree that Kerry was worthless, but you have to admit that Bush is the biggest fucking loser that this country has ever put into office. Don't try to name other presidents that were worse than Bush. Anyone who made it past 3rd grade knows what an idiot he is. I didn't vote for the asshole, but I think he probably isn't as bad as Kerry would have been. Just goes to show that everyone needs to start thinking outside the box more and get some politicians in office who aren't solely there for their own personal gain or to pay back their supporters. So, just remember you do not have to vote only dem or rep, you do have choices even if you don't understand that. Just one person's opinion.

I agree with ya on that one! I would have voted outside the two party system but it looked like Kerry was way to close for comfort. Thats the ONLY reason I did what I did. Next time will be different!!!

[Psycho4Bud]

here's some video evil alex jones got with cindy sheehan when he took a trip up to crawford...and some sane and insane bush supporters.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/200805campcasey.htm

you may need a username and password for this one:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/august2005/190805jonesreport.htm

d_adamec at yahoo.com for details on a username and password...

Just saw the bitch on TV. I guess now "America isn't worth dieing for." I'm sure he son is rolling in his grave over this piece of shit! To bad ol' boy in the truck didn't run over her instead of the crosses!!

[erceg]

howdy torog.lumbo gold lives still,hey to you and yours

[nicholasstanko]

no Torog I never said they were using contrators for soldiers...I said give a soldier a break...by going. More to help out sooner to come home...I know the concept is a little complicated for you to grasp.

anything you or I say is on the web is free press so if you don't want it then don't post it. You attack my family I'll go for yours.

Mods? You fucking coward go get your mods..I have done nothing wrong but defend my family and my right to say the president is a sadistic lying asshole and so are his followers.


if anyone needs a mod to solve their problems then theyre pussies.


lunchbox syndrome.

[nicholasstanko]

you lying idiot,YOU WERE THE ONE WHO RAN TO THE MODS TO GET PICTURES YOU DIDNT LIKE OFF THE SITE.nice try though.


nope amsterdam. the pics you posted werent in response to anything. you didnt even put em in link form. you just posted for the whole world to see. your post wasnt justified. blues was

[nicholasstanko]

Howdy Blue Cat,

You didn't make yourself clear,when you said that civilians could replace soldiers on the battle-line..I think that yer stretching that point somewhat.

You implied that you could reveal sensitive and private info about my family,in which case I might need a mod to delete that info..that ain't being cowardly..that's protecting my family.

You do understand who fought for and gave you the 'right' to call the president an asshole,don't ya ? It seems to me..that you don't understand the selfless sacrifice that it takes to volunteer to free others from oppression. Was your husband a volunteer or draftee ? I know that your son was a volunteer,at least he believes in all folks being free..why don't you ?

I still want to know-does Parsons Energy,hire 100% disabled veterans with experience in the oil patch ? You see..I would love to go and fight for the freedom of the Iraqi's and others in the middle-east..and I could use the money too..maybe I should look em up on the net ? I would love to "give a soldier a break"..and if going to work for a civilian contractor over there will do it..I'm all for it.

Have a good one ....


oh torog, get a clue. you keep trying to push this weak-ass propaganda.

stop using the soldiers as your tear-wiping agenda. the soldiers fought for freedom for all during the revolutionary war. A REAL FUCKING WAR where britain threatened american independance. not some made up one for love of oil money and power.

oh and btw, you also convenently seem to have forgotten that after the british invaded, technically americans were insurgents too. swallow that yet?
if it weren t for militias, the army wouldve been overrun in no time.


american fought for their freedom and now muslim "jihadists" are fighting for theirs. whats the problem this time? whats the difference? britons thought america as uncivilised and barbaric. they tried to take shit over to liberate the people and bring them back under british rule.


the only difference i see is that most muslims must not be white enough for you.

[Nicoli]

oh torog, get a clue. you keep trying to push this


american fought for their freedom and now muslim "jihadists" are fighting for theirs. whats the problem this time? whats the difference? britons thought america as uncivilised and barbaric. they tried to take shit over to liberate the people and bring them back under british rule.


the only difference i see is that most muslims must not be white enough for you.

Depending on which definition of freedom you are going by that point could be argued. Are the 'jihadists' fighting for freedom from us, yes, and perhaps the freedom to live in an oppressive and cruel Islamic Theocracy. They are not however fighting in the name of individual freedom or liberty.
Also the 'jihadists' that attacked us prior to the Iraq war or pre-Sept 11th, do you think were they also fighting for freedom? If so, freedom from what?

[Torog]

Depending on which definition of freedom you are going by that point could be argued. Are the 'jihadists' fighting for freedom from us, yes, and perhaps the freedom to live in an oppressive and cruel Islamic Theocracy. They are not however fighting in the name of individual freedom or liberty.
Also the 'jihadists' that attacked us prior to the Iraq war or pre-Sept 11th, do you think were they also fighting for freedom? If so, freedom from what?
Howdy Nicoli,

Thanx for pointing out what should be obvious to everyone..that the jihadists ain't fighting for individual fredoms like we are,they're fightin to put a brutal theocracy in place..why don't folks understand that ?

This ain't about rascism..folks presume that just because I'm from Texas and the South,that I'm reacting in a rascist way..which couldn't be farther from the truth. Playing the rascism card,is a favorite tactic of the Left..meant to discredit and discount the real problem.

Have a good one ...

[GHoSToKeR]

http://www.bushflash.com/vets.html

[Psycho4Bud]

if anyone needs a mod to solve their problems then theyre pussies.
.

HEYYYYYYY BEEEEEEEEEBBBLLLLLLEEEE!

BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :D

[nicholasstanko]

Depending on which definition of freedom you are going by that point could be argued. Are the 'jihadists' fighting for freedom from us, yes, and perhaps the freedom to live in an oppressive and cruel Islamic Theocracy. They are not however fighting in the name of individual freedom or liberty.
Also the 'jihadists' that attacked us prior to the Iraq war or pre-Sept 11th, do you think were they also fighting for freedom? If so, freedom from what?


from what i gather, they fight for freedom rom american rule. from american opression. as ironic as that sounds. right now, if america came through canadian streets trying to impose their way on us, then fuck yeh im gonna be blastin some red white and blue ass. not because their american and i hate their freedom, but because someone is threatening my home for HIS/HER benefit.

Who's to say what's opressive and cruel? women arent viewed as having equal rights as a man? how are they wrong? how are we right? just because we let women vote and have a hand in everything doesnt make us some superior nation. we're just culturally different.

evil saddam has been deposed. and the jihadists that attacked on sep 11, 2001 WERENT FROM IRAQ. THEY WERE FROM SAUDI ARABIA. and guess what? id be willing to bet that if iraq owned about 7% of america like the saudis do, we'd be fighting evil iranian terrorists right now instead. I mean, shit. Theyre all a bunch of sandy arabs right?


I'd bet everything that if you grew up in an america where chinese fighter planes bombed your neighbourhood every week for years, and their people viewed you as some baseball playing savage, you'd travel to hong kong in a fucking second to make a stand that you wouldnt put up wit the shit any more.

[nicholasstanko]

Howdy Nicoli,

Thanx for pointing out what should be obvious to everyone..that the jihadists ain't fighting for individual fredoms like we are,they're fightin to put a brutal theocracy in place..why don't folks understand that ?

This ain't about rascism..folks presume that just because I'm from Texas and the South,that I'm reacting in a rascist way..which couldn't be farther from the truth. Playing the rascism card,is a favorite tactic of the Left..meant to discredit and discount the real problem.

Have a good one ...

Is it a leftist tactic to use common sense? because im not a lefty.


You're right, its not about racism, its about ignorance. Their culture and the way theyve been doing things for thousands of years just isnt good enough for Torog, right?

I mean, your country has been around for thousands....oops!..i mean hundred of years and has been in a perpetual state of war ever since. Name ONE time in american history it can be said that america was TRULY at peace. JUST ONE FUCKING TIME.

And somehow, SOMEHOW we're supposed to all just roll over and do what america says because you know best.


i think not, torog. starting wars in countries for oil and money is wrong. bush doesnt give a fuck about freedom or liberty for anyone except himself. Laura would be hauled to guantanamo before he'd admit his guilt.

[nicholasstanko]

HEYYYYYYY BEEEEEEEEEBBBLLLLLLEEEE!

BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :D


if by that comment you're referring to when i repeatedly stated i was only proving a point as to why mods. are basically useless, then that was pretty funny.



p.s. thanks for the welcome back in that other post!

[Torog]

Is it a leftist tactic to use common sense? because im not a lefty.


You're right, its not about racism, its about ignorance. Their culture and the way theyve been doing things for thousands of years just isnt good enough for Torog, right?

I mean, your country has been around for thousands....oops!..i mean hundred of years and has been in a perpetual state of war ever since. Name ONE time in american history it can be said that america was TRULY at peace. JUST ONE F*CKING TIME.

And somehow, SOMEHOW we're supposed to all just roll over and do what america says because you know best.


i think not, torog. starting wars in countries for oil and money is wrong. bush doesnt give a f*ck about freedom or liberty for anyone except himself. Laura would be hauled to guantanamo before he'd admit his guilt.
Liberals despise common sense..it's definitely not a leftist tactic..lol.

The 'culture' that you speak of,does not believe in individual rights and the women and children are all second-class citizens at the mercy of the males..part of the arab culture,is the practice of honor killings..do you support that ? How about clitorectomies ? Slavery and murder of infidels ? Do you really think that there's room in the world for such horrific things ?

Let me remind you..I have lived in Saudi and know much more about their culture,than you realize..I ain't operating out of ignorance.

If we were in Iraq to take the oil,we would have an over-flowing Strategic reserve and the price of gas would be lower,the oil is being sold on the open market..not being funneled directly to us. It behooves the entire world,for there to be a stable and democratic middle-east. Must I also remind you,that we didn't start this war,until after we were attacked and over 3 thousand folks lost their lives,we didn't come down on saddam and sons,until after they invaded Kuwait and ignored warnings and deadlines to leave.

Why is it,that you only hold America accountable for it's actions...and not the brutal,murderous thugs who started this whole mess ? Why is it,that you view terrorists as noble freedom fighters..when in fact,they seek to end freedom ?

Have a good one ...

[Euphoric]

oh torog, get a clue. you keep trying to push this weak-ass propaganda.

stop using the soldiers as your tear-wiping agenda. the soldiers fought for freedom for all during the revolutionary war. A REAL FUCKING WAR where britain threatened american independance. not some made up one for love of oil money and power.

oh and btw, you also convenently seem to have forgotten that after the british invaded, technically americans were insurgents too. swallow that yet?
if it weren t for militias, the army wouldve been overrun in no time.


american fought for their freedom and now muslim "jihadists" are fighting for theirs. whats the problem this time? whats the difference? britons thought america as uncivilised and barbaric. they tried to take shit over to liberate the people and bring them back under british rule.


the only difference i see is that most muslims must not be white enough for you.

PWNED :cool:

[nicholasstanko]

Liberals despise common sense..it's definitely not a leftist tactic..lol.

The 'culture' that you speak of,does not believe in individual rights and the women and children are all second-class citizens at the mercy of the males..part of the arab culture,is the practice of honor killings..do you support that ? How about clitorectomies ? Slavery and murder of infidels ? Do you really think that there's room in the world for such horrific things ?

Let me remind you..I have lived in Saudi and know much more about their culture,than you realize..I ain't operating out of ignorance.

If we were in Iraq to take the oil,we would have an over-flowing Strategic reserve and the price of gas would be lower,the oil is being sold on the open market..not being funneled directly to us. It behooves the entire world,for there to be a stable and democratic middle-east. Must I also remind you,that we didn't start this war,until after we were attacked and over 3 thousand folks lost their lives,we didn't come down on saddam and sons,until after they invaded Kuwait and ignored warnings and deadlines to leave.

Why is it,that you only hold America accountable for it's actions...and not the brutal,murderous thugs who started this whole mess ? Why is it,that you view terrorists as noble freedom fighters..when in fact,they seek to end freedom ?

Have a good one ...



GIVE ME A BREAK!

I don't suport honor killings and i don't support women being viewed as second-class. But guess what, torog. How does that mean i can go in and tell them what i want them to do? How does that justify me going to war? Did they come to us and BEG us to come to their country, or did we just assume it's what they wanted? How the fuck can you be so sure that the "american" way is so much better? It's been proven that men and women are different on so many levels, but yet we always hear some bitching from a woman about how its so unfair she didnt get a heavy lifting job over a man or complaining about why she's expected to go grocery shopping for the most part.

And you talk about clitorectomies as if there isnt a big issue of abortion right here. Alot of americans either hate or accept abortion, what are the muslim beliefs on it? Should we take their opinion and do the complete opposite because their ways are flawed?

Texas still fries motherfuckers in the electric chair. Isn't that the same thing as the murder of infidels? We just call em dead men walkin'. Are we so self-righteous and superior because we'd rather execute them in privacy so noone can see the glee in the wardens eyes when a really bad man gets it? But if the muslims have public spectacles to humiliate and ward off other potential wrong-doers, they're evil and should be forcibly converted to the american way of life, right?


Dont kid yourself thinking that just because the oil would be controlled by americans its instantaneously cheaper? YOU BELIEVED A POLITICIAN'S PROMISE!!?!? LOL. Jesus christ man, get a fucking clue! The barrels of oil has jumped up because bush and his buddies are paying for the war...the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS war..theyre paying for the fucking unbalanced treasury and money reserves because they squandered it going into the desert with no plan. When since the twenties have american-made products been one of the cheapest in the world?


Who the fuck says that the middle east needs democracy? did God tell you that during your golf game the other day? Not to sound like some commie, but why wasnt time put into planning and helping the iraqis set up their OWN system..from a distance. You know full well that saddam couldve been toppled without the invasion forces. Stop pretending the place would have gone to hell. the insurgents fight to keep americans out of their affairs, not because they love the grand and wonderful rape rooms and forced sodomy.

Every fucking day on the news i hear about how the shiites and the kurds keep pushing to pass a constitution without sunni approval. ANd as we all know, it only took the founding fathers a couple of days to draft the future of all americans :rolleyes: Sounds like the makings of civil war/genocide. if you'll remember the rwanda genocide, its a dangerous thing to repress the minority...


You mean we didnt start this war until after american intelligence "failed" miserably ;) and we were attacked by 19 SAUDI ARABIANS. Iraq had nothing to do with them. You can throw all your training camp mumbo jumbo at me but you always stop short of giving hard evidence or reasoning as to why the country HAD to be invaded immediately. It was FOR MONEY FOR OIL AND FOR POWER. AFGHANISTAN WAS WHERE BIN LADEN WAS! AFGHANISTAN WAS WHERE BUSH ORDERED TROOPS OUT OF!


After saddam invaded kuwait...or after saddam was put into power by the americans, given the gas used to kill kurds by the americans, or after the cia funded and trained al-queda?


WHy is it i hold america accountable? because america is supposed to be the exemplar! THATS WHY. Americans are so fucking round about and flip floppish its ridiculous! You want to go invade other countries because you think you have moral high-ground and youre "doing the right thing" but yet when you do something horrible you justify it by engaging in child-like tattle-tale attitudes. "I know it's bad to kidnap people and throw them in jail without evidence...but...but...Saddam did it!" Fuckin gimme a break!

Give me a fuckin break!


Who put brutal thugs into power? who supplies them with weapons! who fucking sends drug money to fund their operations! why the hell do you think afghanistan was only bombed enough to get the taliban out? i dont see any fucking dea agents stopping the heroin production. fuck you, torog! you're either blind or you dont care or youre a fucking spook agent trying to feed us propaganda to get us to enlist or collect info for the fbi.


You think the fighters dont want freedom? then why do they fight? if they didnt care about not being controlled wouldnt they just roll over and fart whe he troops came through? use your goddamn head man!



goddamn fuckin children....

[GHoSToKeR]

Awesome post, nicholasstanko. Awesome fucking post.

[Psycho4Bud]

if anyone needs a mod to solve their problems then theyre pussies.




OHHHHHH, BEEEEBLEBROOOOOX!!!!


Hey guys, i was just in the politics forum and guess what?

Makor1 called me a nigger!

Read the thread, "Unhealthy and Unwise" Page three.

So where are our wonderful mods now? Will there be any suspensions handed out? I wont be surprised, you guys seem to like more important shit like "demeaning grow names".

Fuck you guys. You're doing a bullshit job, and it shows.



The only reason i posted an obviously sarcastic thread like that was because i was told to do so. the last time i didnt give a fuck and did my own thing, i got banned for a week. let me repeat BANNED FOR A WEEK!.



if by that comment you're referring to when i repeatedly stated i was only proving a point as to why mods. are basically useless, then that was pretty funny.

when i repeatedly stated i was only proving a point???

Where was this?.... :confused:

So in other words, or better yet your words...YOUR A PUSSY! :D

BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
And then you got banned for being an asshole!
BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Now come on Nich, try explaining yourself less the insults and foul language...10 to 1 odds says you can't!
BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

GOD YOUR EASY!!!! :D

[Psycho4Bud]

Reason for posting the above.......

Nicky has been on a kick as of late stating that me and Torog must either be CIA or DEA because of our comments or beliefs. I think that with a past history that Nicky has its kind of ironic that he would have the balls to call ANYONE a narc. Pot calling the kettle black? Nicky's the only pot or kettle proven on this board!
O.K. Nick...look into the mirror and repeat...I AM THE POT, I AM THE KETTLE!

BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

P.S. Before it can be stated otherwise, I didn't agree at all with the use of the "N" word but ol' Nicky does have a way of pissing people off...imagine that! :D

[nicholasstanko]

Awesome post, nicholasstanko. Awesome fucking post.

thanks man. i just get upset sometimes.

[nicholasstanko]

when i repeatedly stated i was only proving a point???

Where was this?.... :confused:

So in other words, or better yet your words...YOUR A PUSSY! :D

BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
And then you got banned for being an asshole!
BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Now come on Nich, try explaining yourself less the insults and foul language...10 to 1 odds says you can't!
BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

GOD YOUR EASY!!!! :D


alright psycho...you got me.... :p


how come you never refer to the topic thread, but yet you research so much to find the right amount of dirt?

:cool:

[nicholasstanko]

Reason for posting the above.......

Nicky has been on a kick as of late stating that me and Torog must either be CIA or DEA because of our comments or beliefs. I think that with a past history that Nicky has its kind of ironic that he would have the balls to call ANYONE a narc. Pot calling the kettle black? Nicky's the only pot or kettle proven on this board!
O.K. Nick...look into the mirror and repeat...I AM THE POT, I AM THE KETTLE!

BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

P.S. Before it can be stated otherwise, I didn't agree at all with the use of the "N" word but ol' Nicky does have a way of pissing people off...imagine that! :D


hell yeh, im about pissing people off.


if more people were pissed off in 2000 when bush stole the election, we'd be a much safer country because the government would be scared shitless of trying to dupe it's citizens.


but no.... for the most part the protesters threw a couple of eggs and went back home to catch the newest episode of will and grace or everybody loves raymond...

[Psycho4Bud]

alright psycho...you got me.... :p


how come you never refer to the topic thread, but yet you research so much to find the right amount of dirt?

:cool:

I never refer to the topic thread? O.K. nick.

Want a response here it is. I'm glad to see counter Sheehan people getting in the bitches face. I've posted quite a bit on this fine lady but I suppose, you've been on vacation. Oh well, welcome back Nick! :D

[Psycho4Bud]

hell yeh, im about pissing people off.


if more people were pissed off in 2000 when bush stole the election, we'd be a much safer country because the government would be scared shitless of trying to dupe it's citizens.


but no.... for the most part the protesters threw a couple of eggs and went back home to catch the newest episode of will and grace or everybody loves raymond...

So you think we would have been better off with Al and Tipper?

BWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Al Gore: Cut back on oil imports to drive up the price to the point to FORCE the public to switch to electric cars. Bill Clintons little buddy, who by the way, just kinda ignored the building of Al-Quada and the genocide of Rwanda.

And his LOVELY wife Tipper: Hearings held by this fine lady of rights on censoring music lyrics.

YIPPPER, sure would have been better off. :rolleyes:

[amsterdam]

the sheehan crack pot has now been joined by get this,AL SHARPTON(i dont use the word that describes him) and MARTIN SHEEN!that is the funniest thing i have ever heard!they are making themselves look like fools out there,not to mention that there are now MORE Bush supporters in Crawford than moonbat finatics.keep up the good work lefties,America wont trust anybody from the left with national security for a long,long,long time!THANK YOU!!

[amsterdam]

ALL ALONE,SO SAD!!

[GHoSToKeR]

LOL... I don't know much about this case or this woman, but she does seem like she's just using her sons death as a way to further her 'career'. It's pretty lame and it's making her look like a twat.

[nicholasstanko]

I never refer to the topic thread? O.K. nick.

Want a response here it is. I'm glad to see counter Sheehan people getting in the bitches face. I've posted quite a bit on this fine lady but I suppose, you've been on vacation. Oh well, welcome back Nick! :D


thanks psycho. i smoked alot of weed during that time, so now im really ready to cut loose! :)

[nicholasstanko]

So you think we would have been better off with Al and Tipper?

BWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Al Gore: Cut back on oil imports to drive up the price to the point to FORCE the public to switch to electric cars. Bill Clintons little buddy, who by the way, just kinda ignored the building of Al-Quada and the genocide of Rwanda.

And his LOVELY wife Tipper: Hearings held by this fine lady of rights on censoring music lyrics.

YIPPPER, sure would have been better off. :rolleyes:


Hey well at least the election wouldve been won fair and square, not stolen. integrity doesnt count much in america anymore huh? it doesnt matter what dirty tactics are used to win, because somehow the ends always justify the means?

I dont hear you complaining about what a bad choice bush was. both of them. i dont recal you talking about who set the framework by getting saddam into power and making sure it was secured.


i dont recall you at least discussing the issue of how the president wants to forcibly restrict gay marriages. im not some faggot but how does the government have a say in your personal life?


and about rwanda....i havnt heard a formal apology about that either from bush. he wasnt presiding, but he speaks for the nation and the actions of the nation.

[nicholasstanko]

the sheehan crack pot has now been joined by get this,AL SHARPTON(i dont use the word that describes him) and MARTIN SHEEN!that is the funniest thing i have ever heard!they are making themselves look like fools out there,not to mention that there are now MORE Bush supporters in Crawford than moonbat finatics.keep up the good work lefties,America wont trust anybody from the left with national security for a long,long,long time!THANK YOU!!


yep, and as we all know, cindy sheehan sits in her comfy 20-foot office listening to a "mommas and the poppas" record with her entourage, putting together the guest list for this week's show.

her agent couldnt get robin williams, so they settled for martin sheen :rolleyes: give me a break.

you're an idiot if you think cindy picks and chooses who can come and support her at the rally.


and of course as the numbers of people at camp casey increase, it should be expected that the numbers of bush supporters rises.


but does the 40% approval change? ;) ;) ;) :p :D



better to get all the retards and hicks in one spot.





WAKE UP PEOPLE! BUSH LIED HIS ASS OFF! MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GRIEVING FAMILY MEMBERS DESPERATE FOR A SIGN THAT THEIR KIDS DIDNT DIE IN VAIN!

[nicholasstanko]

LOL... I don't know much about this case or this woman, but she does seem like she's just using her sons death as a way to further her 'career'. It's pretty lame and it's making her look like a twat.


if i may...


what career? you think she's up for a talk show spot?


Why can't people see it's not about fame? is that what society's about now? who can get their 15 minutes?




her son DIED, dude. she met the president and she was expecting so much that he actually cared...it took a while for it to hit her.


she's out there...she went out by HERSELF and didnt ask anyone else to come with her. she was prepared to sit there through wind and rain and without food if need be, to get the president to answer



WHY doesnt bush want to talk? if this were any other president, this wouldve been a priority to prevent political suicide. he refuses to answer.



fort bragg....selective audiences at press conferences. there arent any dems at his speeches and you have to be upper crust to even think about getting inside, (R) or not.



bush refuses to hold press conferences or answer ANY questions regarding 9/11...the war...the border crisis...NOTHING.



she's looking for attention that is true... but NOT for herself. but for the american people to wake up and realise that whats going on is wrong illegal and destroying the country.



if you believe that troops should stay in iraq to "stay the (illegal) course" then you do them a disservice and its dishonourable in my eyes. and you deserve to be right on the front lines facing an IED

[GHoSToKeR]

Look at it this way... If a Republican's son/daughter died in Iraq at the hands of one of the 'insurgents', and they did what Sheehan is doing now, except they used their child's death to promote the war, saying that these 'insurgents' need to be taken out, then would you agree? Would Sheehan agree? The answer, I fear, is no. So then she is using the death of her son to strengthen her political views, almost as if saying "See!". She claims to have been doing "this type of thing" for a while, long before her son died, and now that he has died she is using his name and his death to get into the press so she can preach about what she thinks is right or wrong.

I'm not saying I agree with her political views or not, i'm just saying that I don't agree with the way she is getting those views across.

[amsterdam]

i dont think she picks who comes,but you can sure see the mentality of the people who do come.al sharpton?lol.nobody gives a shit about this woman anymore.she is an anti-semitic and a racist.

with the election last year,the election on Oct. 15,the DEMOCRATIC constitution,the continued capture and killing of middle eatern finatics,none of those great soldiers have died in vain.

you guys keep up your funny protest in Crawford and outside the army medical base,you are digging your own graves.thank you.

[Psycho4Bud]

Hey well at least the election wouldve been won fair and square, not stolen. integrity doesnt count much in america anymore huh? it doesnt matter what dirty tactics are used to win, because somehow the ends always justify the means?

Democrats point of view. Face it..GORE LOST!!!

I dont hear you complaining about what a bad choice bush was. both of them. i dont recal you talking about who set the framework by getting saddam into power and making sure it was secured.

History lesson Saddam 101...The Rise and Fall of an Asshole:
http://www.emergency.com/hussein1.htm


i dont recall you at least discussing the issue of how the president wants to forcibly restrict gay marriages. im not some faggot but how does the government have a say in your personal life?

Thats his point of view along with a lot of other people. I don't believe that the Government has a place in the bedroom myself but like others, that's my opinion.

and about rwanda....i havnt heard a formal apology about that either from bush. he wasnt presiding, but he speaks for the nation and the actions of the nation.

Clinton ignored it because of the French. Why the hell should Bush apologize for something that Clinton still won't own up to? Maybe CLINTON should apologize and admit that he ignored the facts due to strong ties with the French. Nooooo, Lets just say it's Bush's fault!

[nicholasstanko]

Clinton ignored it because of the French. Why the hell should Bush apologize for something that Clinton still won't own up to? Maybe CLINTON should apologize and admit that he ignored the facts due to strong ties with the French. Nooooo, Lets just say it's Bush's fault!

i never said bush was reponsible.


japan fucked china over and the chinese are still asking for some kind of formal recognition.


bush mcan easily hold a press conference and formally apologize for america' lack of help. it doesnt matter who fucked up, it matters who takes responsibility.


i dont like clinton much at all, but looks like bush isnt much better either.

[nicholasstanko]

Look at it this way... If a Republican's son/daughter died in Iraq at the hands of one of the 'insurgents', and they did what Sheehan is doing now, except they used their child's death to promote the war, saying that these 'insurgents' need to be taken out, then would you agree? Would Sheehan agree? The answer, I fear, is no. So then she is using the death of her son to strengthen her political views, almost as if saying "See!". She claims to have been doing "this type of thing" for a while, long before her son died, and now that he has died she is using his name and his death to get into the press so she can preach about what she thinks is right or wrong.

I'm not saying I agree with her political views or not, i'm just saying that I don't agree with the way she is getting those views across.


lemme apologize in advance if it looked as if i was criticizing you. i wasnt. i shouldve mentioned i was speaking generally.



i wouldnt agree if a rep. did that. i dont believe in politics or false partisanship. the war is wrong. plain and simple. if someone were to do that, it would be out of blind rage and anger. sheehan lost her son and thats what made her snap out of unreasonable thinking.

politics has nothing to do with the matter. if she did the exact same thing only she was an ardent rep. then would that mean she's crazy for not backing bush? or does that mean she's a human being who's had enough of the pointless violence?

Why cant she preach? isnt that what america's about? being able to speak your mind and not have to be uniform or conform to any standards you dont agree with?

and let's not forget, the press got wind of her and THEY found her. not the other way around. she was a woman content to sit in her chair and wait patiently for bush to own up and be a man.


so far ive seen the leader of the most powerful nation in the world act like a cowardly child and a frail hippy sand with the strength of ten men.


sorry mate, ill have to g with sheehan on this one.




keep up the good pot!

[Psycho4Bud]

i never said bush was reponsible.


japan fucked china over and the chinese are still asking for some kind of formal recognition.


bush mcan easily hold a press conference and formally apologize for america' lack of help. it doesnt matter who fucked up, it matters who takes responsibility.


i dont like clinton much at all, but looks like bush isnt much better either.
Yah, it would be nice for Bush to get on TV and formally apologize for Clintons fuck ups but, since we're looking for miracles, wouldn't it be nicer if the French quit supplying the perpetrators of the genocide weapons? Maybe Chirac could get on TV with Bush? :D

[nicholasstanko]

i dont think she picks who comes,but you can sure see the mentality of the people who do come.al sharpton?lol.nobody gives a shit about this woman anymore.she is an anti-semitic and a racist.

with the election last year,the election on Oct. 15,the DEMOCRATIC constitution,the continued capture and killing of middle eatern finatics,none of those great soldiers have died in vain.

you guys keep up your funny protest in Crawford and outside the army medical base,you are digging your own graves.thank you.

oh wow, bill o'reilly and cafferty are such stellar examples of the right crowd to associate with :rolleyes:

she's anti-semitic, why? i havnt heard you say anything as t why you really think shes anti-semitic. my opinion is, fuck those israeli bastards.

this is their war, and you know it is. i wonder what your views on the israelis would be if you were the father of a son killed in an "accidental" TWO HOUR attack on the uss liberty (the same one where the fighter pilot observed and reported the american flag before being ordered to fire anyway).

the father of the american tourist run over by an israeli tank SEVERAL TIMES, when she was peacefully protesting their cruelty towards palestinians.


the father of a son rounded up by israeli troops and shot behind some building either because they were looking for terrorists or just wanted to have some fun.


you place yourself in any one of those situations and couple it with the amount of money israel recieves from america while they build up their military.


how many times would you punch me in the face if i called you anti-semitic for not supporting israel's evil terrorist-like war or giving "foreign aid" to their citizens while the government gets fatter with all the disposable income?

HOW MANY FUCKNG TIMES? :mad:


and you can quite nicely fuck off with this democratic election bullshit. all it is, is the installation of yet ANOTHER soon-to-be-corrupted puppet government that will be a problem in 15 years or so... then the great mighty america will swoop in to liberate the people from the same bad men they put into power years ago...its getting old now.

its just like the fried chicken and bananas at guantanamo, show thm that and everythings fine with prisoner abuse....show them some iraqi woman with her finger in blue ink holding up the peace sign and the iraqis have such a wonderful democratic society...


...just continue about your business and ignore the 2000+ protestors proclaiming theyd rather have saddam back and the threats of civil war from all three factions...everything's fine....


you're so desperate to see bushs approval rating climb above 40%, its ridiculous....



smoke some pot man. just smoke some pot.

[nicholasstanko]

Yah, it would be nice for Bush to get on TV and formally apologize for Clintons fuck ups but, since we're looking for miracles, wouldn't it be nicer if the French quit supplying the perpetrators of the genocide weapons? Maybe Chirac could get on TV with Bush? :D


so why not war with france? theyll just give up anyway :D

[Psycho4Bud]

and you can quite nicely fuck off with this democratic election bullshit. all it is, is the installation of yet ANOTHER soon-to-be-corrupted puppet government that will be a problem in 15 years or so... then the great mighty america will swoop in to liberate the people from the same bad men they put into power years ago...its getting old now.

If they want to elect puppets, it's their election.


...just continue about your business and ignore the 2000+ protestors proclaiming theyd rather have saddam back and the threats of civil war from all three factions...everything's fine.....

2000 protestors in a Sunni stronghold, Saddams home town, Tikret. 2000 people out of 26,000,000....come on now Nick, just slooooowwwww down and take a big hit. :D

[Psycho4Bud]

so why not war with france? theyll just give up anyway :D

Love to!!! SERIOUSLY!!! But who wants to win over a country full of pussies! Oh yah, their good pals the Germans. :D

[Psycho4Bud]

OFF THREAD TOPIC!!! ALERT!!!

Pro-Bush Demonstrators Counter Sheehan

Have to agree with the Pro-Bush on this one....SHE'S A BITCH!!! :D

[Nicoli]

from what i gather, they fight for freedom rom american rule. from american opression. as ironic as that sounds. right now, if america came through canadian streets trying to impose their way on us, then fuck yeh im gonna be blastin some red white and blue ass. not because their american and i hate their freedom, but because someone is threatening my home for HIS/HER benefit.

Who's to say what's opressive and cruel? women arent viewed as having equal rights as a man? how are they wrong? how are we right? just because we let women vote and have a hand in everything doesnt make us some superior nation. we're just culturally different.

evil saddam has been deposed. and the jihadists that attacked on sep 11, 2001 WERENT FROM IRAQ. THEY WERE FROM SAUDI ARABIA. and guess what? id be willing to bet that if iraq owned about 7% of america like the saudis do, we'd be fighting evil iranian terrorists right now instead. I mean, shit. Theyre all a bunch of sandy arabs right?


I'd bet everything that if you grew up in an america where chinese fighter planes bombed your neighbourhood every week for years, and their people viewed you as some baseball playing savage, you'd travel to hong kong in a fucking second to make a stand that you wouldnt put up wit the shit any more.

Read what I put in bold and you can see a major flaw in reasoning here.

American Oppression? Come on, you canâ??t be serious, you and I both know that the American forces occupying Iraq are nearly as oppressive as the bathist regime was prior to its destruction. As for the idea of Iraqis fighting for freedom from American rule, well Iâ??d say such a claim is somewhat deceptive. It has become quite clear that a large percentage of the opposition we are now facing is the result of Iranian militants and supplies finding their way into Iraq. Letâ??s not forget that we are also helping them establish their own government, so why would they continue conducting attacks delaying that process resulting in a prolonged American presence in Iraq? (that is assuming they the Iraqiâ??s want us out)


Who's to say what's opressive and cruel? women arent viewed as having equal rights as a man? how are they wrong? how are we right? just because we let women vote and have a hand in everything doesnt make us some superior nation. we're just culturally different.

definition for cruel: 1 : disposed to inflict pain or suffering : devoid of humane feelings
2 a : causing or conducive to injury, grief, or pain <a cruel joke> b : unrelieved by leniency
synonym see FIERCE

Well thereâ??s not much room for interpretation when in comes to cruel and Iâ??d say radical Islam contains all the criteria to be correctly classified as an ideology of cruelty.
As for women why stop there? Suppose we considered radical Islam virtuous and true then how could we claim any other radical ideology is wrong? What made Stalinism wrong? What made Nazism wrong? Hey after all German culture, you know how that is.

So the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, but funny thing is we never bombed Saudi Arabia prior to or after 911. In fact not only have we not attacked the Saudiâ??s, but we also happen to do a good business with them, which they do profit from. Meaning that your little thesis concerning the motivations of terrorists is delusory to somewhat flawed at best. What is most surprising is you exposed the flaw in your own reasoning.

I do agree that the war in Iraq wasnâ??t necessary and wasnâ??t properly executed, but the war on terror is a must. Will we eliminate radical Islam? Yes. Is it a shame that such measures had to be taken? Yes. The fact is though that radical Islam was doomed to extinction anyway, because of the fact that radical Islam doesnâ??t allow an environment capable of supporting social evolution.(social evolution resulting from the free exchange of ideas)

[nicholasstanko]

Read what I put in bold and you can see a major flaw in reasoning here.

American Oppression? Come on, you canâ??t be serious, you and I both know that the American forces occupying Iraq are nearly as oppressive as the bathist regime was prior to its destruction. As for the idea of Iraqis fighting for freedom from American rule, well Iâ??d say such a claim is somewhat deceptive. It has become quite clear that a large percentage of the opposition we are now facing is the result of Iranian militants and supplies finding their way into Iraq. Letâ??s not forget that we are also helping them establish their own government, so why would they continue conducting attacks delaying that process resulting in a prolonged American presence in Iraq? (that is assuming they the Iraqiâ??s want us out)



definition for cruel: 1 : disposed to inflict pain or suffering : devoid of humane feelings
2 a : causing or conducive to injury, grief, or pain <a cruel joke> b : unrelieved by leniency
synonym see FIERCE

Well thereâ??s not much room for interpretation when in comes to cruel and Iâ??d say radical Islam contains all the criteria to be correctly classified as an ideology of cruelty.
As for women why stop there? Suppose we considered radical Islam virtuous and true then how could we claim any other radical ideology is wrong? What made Stalinism wrong? What made Nazism wrong? Hey after all German culture, you know how that is.

So the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, but funny thing is we never bombed Saudi Arabia prior to or after 911. In fact not only have we not attacked the Saudiâ??s, but we also happen to do a good business with them, which they do profit from. Meaning that your little thesis concerning the motivations of terrorists is delusory to somewhat flawed at best. What is most surprising is you exposed the flaw in your own reasoning.

I do agree that the war in Iraq wasnâ??t necessary and wasnâ??t properly executed, but the war on terror is a must. Will we eliminate radical Islam? Yes. Is it a shame that such measures had to be taken? Yes. The fact is though that radical Islam was doomed to extinction anyway, because of the fact that radical Islam doesnâ??t allow an environment capable of supporting social evolution.(social evolution resulting from the free exchange of ideas)


okay...wait a minute...i havnt smoked in a good long fucking while now and i cant make too much sense out of your arguement.


its probably just my nerves but what are you thinking that im trying to say? it looks as if you think i support the war or somthin.


help me out and ill be happy to input my opinion.

[Nicoli]

okay...wait a minute...i havnt smoked in a good long fucking while now and i cant make too much sense out of your arguement.


its probably just my nerves but what are you thinking that im trying to say? it looks as if you think i support the war or somthin.


help me out and ill be happy to input my opinion.

Ok to sum it up briefly, you seem to think terrorists attack us, because we attack and oppress them. This was after you said the terrorists involved in 911 came from Saudi Arabia. Note however how we never bombed the shit out of Saudi Arabia or oppressed Saudi Arabia. Like I said before they benefit greatly from us as a result of our need for oil. Based on your post about how I'd attack China if China was bombing my country implies that you think terrorists attacked us because we bombed them. It is clear however that this is not always the case.

[amsterdam]

[QUOTE=Nicoli]Ok to sum it up briefly, you seem to think terrorists attack us, because we attack and oppress them. This was after you said the terrorists involved in 911 came from Saudi Arabia. Note however how we never bombed the shit out of Saudi Arabia or oppressed Saudi Arabia. Like I said before they benefit greatly from us as a result of our need for oil. Based on your post about how I'd attack China if China was bombing my country implies that you think terrorists attacked us because we bombed them. It is clear however that this is not always the case.[/QUOTE}

all it has to do with is the spread of wahabbism,a distorted take of the great religon Islam.

[GHoSToKeR]

it has to do with is a distorted take of the great religon Islam.
Agreed. But I think it is alot more complicated than that. These people aren't killing people for no reason, are they? At least not in their minds.

[amsterdam]

it is complicated i agree,but freedom and democracy will prevail.

[GHoSToKeR]

I hope they do, Amsterdam. At last we agree! :)

[Torog]

Agreed. But I think it is alot more complicated than that. These people aren't killing people for no reason, are they? At least not in their minds.
Howdy GhostToker,

Yup..yer right,the jihadists have many reasons for wanting to murder in cold-blood,the koran instructs them to slay all Jews and infidels,the jihadists despise individual freedom for all and seek to impose a male-dominated society,where women and children,exist at their mercy,the jihadists resent the modernization of their countries by the infidels of America and other Free World countries and desire a return to the 7th century..yup..they have alot of reasons to murder the innocent in cold-blood.

Have a good one ...

[amsterdam]

no doubt about it,it is already happening.

[GHoSToKeR]

Torog,

Being a religious man I will take it for granted that you are familiar with the Bible. Now, in the Bible there are clear instructions to kill or to hurt people for things such as homosexuality, cheating on your spouse, sleeping with another mans wife, etc. But do you see this happening in America? The USA is a predominantly Christian nation. So why aren't homosexuals and such killed? Because it is wrong, and as normal, decent individuals, as most Christians are, they can see it is wrong, or at least deemed wrong by the society they live in. I imagine that this is the same as the koran. Maybe it does instruct people to do some evil things, but the vast majority of them don't do these things, frankly because they're wrong. Do you agree?

[Psycho4Bud]

Torog,

Being a religious man I will take it for granted that you are familiar with the Bible. Now, in the Bible there are clear instructions to kill or to hurt people for things such as homosexuality, cheating on your spouse, sleeping with another mans wife, etc. But do you see this happening in America? The USA is a predominantly Christian nation. So why aren't homosexuals and such killed? Because it is wrong, and as normal, decent individuals, as most Christians are, they can see it is wrong, or at least deemed wrong by the society they live in. I imagine that this is the same as the koran. Maybe it does instruct people to do some evil things, but the vast majority of them don't do these things, frankly because they're wrong. Do you agree?

Surah 47. Muhammad
4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

I'm also trying to find a verse that goes on the order that in the last days, Mohamad will point out the Jews from behind every tree and stone that they hide, when they are killed off, then Allah will return to earth.

[Torog]

Torog,

Being a religious man I will take it for granted that you are familiar with the Bible. Now, in the Bible there are clear instructions to kill or to hurt people for things such as homosexuality, cheating on your spouse, sleeping with another mans wife, etc. But do you see this happening in America? The USA is a predominantly Christian nation. So why aren't homosexuals and such killed? Because it is wrong, and as normal, decent individuals, as most Christians are, they can see it is wrong, or at least deemed wrong by the society they live in. I imagine that this is the same as the koran. Maybe it does instruct people to do some evil things, but the vast majority of them don't do these things, frankly because they're wrong. Do you agree?
Howdy GhostToker,

Yup..I do agree..but I would also like to point out,that the vast majority of Christians,live by the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the New Testament,but,as in every religion..I reckon that there radical fundementalists who do the wrong thing. My Jewish girlfriend,says that she believes that not all muslims or arabs are bad,that she would like to live in peace with them,she does not consider all of them to be her enemies..nor do I..only those who are against individual freedom..are all of our enemies..it is they-whom I wish to vanquish.

You do believe in freedom for all,don't you ? I reckon that you do....

Have a good one ....

[Psycho4Bud]

Is Islam a peaceful religion? What are freedoms like in an Islamic country? How are people of other beliefs treated in these countries?



"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.."

Sura 9:5



"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

Sura 9:29



"And fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing, Knowing."

Sura 2:244



"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement."

Sura 5:33



"So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish."

Sura 47:4



The Quran teaches men can have up to four wives.



"And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course."

Sura 4:3



The Quran teaches it is ok to beat your wife.



"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Sura 4:34



The Quran teaches it is ok with Allah if you lie.



"Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing the Wise."

Sura 66:2



Allah could have saved us, but He had to fill hell.



"And if We had pleased We would certainly have given to every soul its guidance, but the word (which had gone forth) from Me was just: I will certainly fill hell with the jinn and men together."

Sura 32:13
http://www.myfortress.org/islam.html

[GHoSToKeR]

Hey Torog,

Of course I want Freedom for all! That's the number one reason I don't believe in certain religions (because you have to give up certain freedoms), certain governments (because they take away freedoms), and most wars (because they, more often than not, are started in the name of freedom). It's good that you can see that there are fundamentalists and extremists in alot of religions, not just the one.

As much as I am not a religious person, I would absolutely love it if all religions were at peace with eachother. This is why fundamentalists from every religion scare the crap out of me. You have Islamic fundies blowing people up, and Christian fundies trying to take over the USA. When people take their religion too far, and try and cram it down people's throats, well, that's when it goes wrong and arguments start. There'll never be peace with people like that.

Oh, and Psycho4bud, please don't try and convince me that Islam is evil, or whatever you're trying to do. It's completely pointless, because it's not the only religious text to ever incite violence.

[nicholasstanko]

Ok to sum it up briefly, you seem to think terrorists attack us, because we attack and oppress them. This was after you said the terrorists involved in 911 came from Saudi Arabia. Note however how we never bombed the shit out of Saudi Arabia or oppressed Saudi Arabia. Like I said before they benefit greatly from us as a result of our need for oil. Based on your post about how I'd attack China if China was bombing my country implies that you think terrorists attacked us because we bombed them. It is clear however that this is not always the case.


oh i get it.


what i was trying to point out was that the war wasnt justified because the terorrists were from saudi.

why wasnt there any talk about hitting saudi hard? it was because of the money issue. this whole thins was about money. thats why its wrong.


and the bombers were saudi, but they didnt planand carry out their operation from inside saudi. the nationality isnt important. i just find it odd that saudis who didnt plan out their attacks in iraq were responsible for iraq getting war declared on them.


it makes no sense.

[nicholasstanko]

Howdy GhostToker,

Yup..I do agree..but I would also like to point out,that the vast majority of Christians,live by the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the New Testament,but,as in every religion..I reckon that there radical fundementalists who do the wrong thing. My Jewish girlfriend,says that she believes that not all muslims or arabs are bad,that she would like to live in peace with them,she does not consider all of them to be her enemies..nor do I..only those who are against individual freedom..are all of our enemies..it is they-whom I wish to vanquish.

You do believe in freedom for all,don't you ? I reckon that you do....

Have a good one ....



but at what cost, torog.


look at the buget...look at the casualty..look at the hoplesness the generals portray when they state theyve given up hopes of military victory...



i believe in liberty and freedom...but i dont believe in it being forced upon the populace o the backs of failed and deceitful intelligence.


you want so bad to make them "free" so you can get extra shuteye at night...you never really cared about them until bush told you to.



all the while, america goes to hell. right now in New orleans and louisiana there's rampant looting going on...and guess where the National Guard is whose supposed to protect people?


i just finished watching cnn....they wont be able to get back for almost two weeks... the only thing left will be spam.




torog, youre so keen to fight terrorism...but your own american civilians are being terrorised right now as we type back and forth...think about that.





let's roll.

[GHoSToKeR]

"the only thing left will be spam."

LOL! haha :D

Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt.. just thought that was hilarious! :)

[nicholasstanko]

"the only thing left will be spam."

LOL! haha :D

Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt.. just thought that was hilarious! :)


lol. but at least you get what im sayin, right? :D

[Psycho4Bud]

Oh, and Psycho4bud, please don't try and convince me that Islam is evil, or whatever you're trying to do. It's completely pointless, because it's not the only religious text to ever incite violence.

Not trying to convince you of anything. I agree that not only religious text incites violence but SOME people today are using these words to incite violence on the U.S.. You can at least agree with that.

[nicholasstanko]

i agree with that, psycho.


but can you also agree that the same thing goes on in the states?

[GHoSToKeR]

Not trying to convince you of anything. I agree that not only religious text incites violence but SOME people today are using these words to incite violence on the U.S.. You can at least agree with that.
Yup, totally agree, %100. But still, just because some people are doing this it does not mean that Islam is a violent religion, so don't try and portray it as one. Like I said earlier, you could use the Bible to portray Christianity as an extremeley violent religion, but the majority of Christians aren't violent at all. Just the same way the majority of Muslims aren't violent. :)

[Psycho4Bud]

Yup, totally agree, %100. But still, just because some people are doing this it does not mean that Islam is a violent religion, so don't try and portray it as one. Like I said earlier, you could use the Bible to portray Christianity as an extremeley violent religion, but the majority of Christians aren't violent at all. Just the same way the majority of Muslims aren't violent. :)

This is getting damn scary!!! :eek: I agree with ya again! :eek: The only thing about the different factions of religious beliefs that I can really say aren't, or don't promote violence is the 10 commandments that most religions follow.
Islam isn't any better or worse than Christianity or whatever. It's the people that interpret to their own advantage or belief in the meanings.

Unreal, I haven't even smoked up yet today!!! Have a good one dude!! :D

[Psycho4Bud]

i agree with that, psycho.


but can you also agree that the same thing goes on in the states?

Now I'm REALLY fucking scared!!! I gotta be in the Twilight zone or some shit like that!!! Nick, Ghost, Flesh.....We have agreed on shit now for the last day or so. :eek:

[nicholasstanko]

Now I'm REALLY fucking scared!!! I gotta be in the Twilight zone or some shit like that!!! Nick, Ghost, Flesh.....We have agreed on shit now for the last day or so. :eek:
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i know. its weird.


but hey, i might be able to smoke tomorrow. take a toke and cross your fingers for me.

[Psycho4Bud]

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i know. its weird.


but hey, i might be able to smoke tomorrow. take a toke and cross your fingers for me.

You don't find anything within three weeks...estimately speaking...I may just have to send ya a care package. More U.S. aid!!

BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

It's even Communist shit...white russian! :D

[Torog]

Howdy nicholas,

You state:" look at the buget...look at the casualty..look at the hoplesness the generals portray when they state theyve given up hopes of military victory... "

There are no active-duty generals who've said that there's no hope for a military victory..and there dang sure ain't any active-duty generals going around with a hopeless look on there face..any general displaying such or saying such..would be quickly replaced with a general that believes in his troops and the mission..there ain't no room at the top for whiney,spine-less generals.

It's whiney spine-less,hopeless lookin civilians..that are the problem,it ain't our military.

Have a good one ...