View Full Version : Wild Marijuana?
sweetbunscarrera
05-31-2004, 09:02 PM
While wandering the beautiful green fields near my house in Northern Virginia I've come across what looks very similar to marijuana, only a little shorter, and it is currently (end May/early June) producing yellow blossoms. The leaves are exactly shaped like marijuana leaves, some plants have 5, some 7, but they're slightly fuzzy. The plant grows in stalks, like pot, and the buds are at the top of the plant. The plant structure is identical to marijuana, only a bit miniaturized. I was wondering if anyone knew the name of this species(which is clearly in the cannabis family), and if it has any worthwhile THC content, and if it's worth smoking. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
sawleaf
06-01-2004, 01:45 AM
Sounds pretty cool! Next time you check it out you should take a pic and post it. I wouldn't know what it was, but I'd still like to check out a pic of it!
duppy man
06-11-2004, 12:08 AM
it is I would bet someones crop and would be pretty pissed if you wiped out most of thier crop would'nt you.....take a bud,, enjoy it, and thank Jah..for your fortune dont take the mans crop if its a few plants growing wild then fill boots
HobbsifeR
06-16-2004, 02:59 AM
I bought seeds off of some guy and it grew and the way u described it was exactly like what i got, it has little or no smell but it is cannibis sative but i dunno what kind....i smoked some of the bud and i got a nice buzz from it but i want to know what type of weed it is...ill get a pic of what i have and u tell me if its the same shit
ez
koopatrooper
06-16-2004, 04:17 PM
Ripping someones crop? :(
marijuanaluver
06-17-2004, 08:45 PM
hey man that sounds very familiar i got a crap load of it by my house 2 and its makin me mad becuz it isnt showin male or female yet and its like 1 1/2 ft i can get pics 2 man i dont understand i love the stank of weed but it doesnt have it :(
HobbsifeR
06-17-2004, 08:52 PM
i know, all the shit that grew outta the seeds i had have a lil stench, but their all male im pretty sure n e way, ill get a leaf and a flower and scan them and put em on here
HobbsifeR
06-17-2004, 09:07 PM
Ok heres a part of the plant im growin, my fucking bro broke it off of one of my plants so i decided to use it :mad: ya so relate to how it looks if u can
marijuanaluver
06-17-2004, 09:09 PM
ya its look kinda like that ill get yall a pic 2
HobbsifeR
06-17-2004, 09:11 PM
ok man
HobbsifeR
06-17-2004, 09:17 PM
yo do u know if putting fertalizer in the soil will increase the thc level
marijuanaluver
06-17-2004, 09:33 PM
dude how do i post pics i got a whole plant man lol ill show u i havge like millions of these by my house lol but ne ways post how 2
HobbsifeR
06-17-2004, 09:40 PM
go to post reply (not quick reply) the edit atachments
then brows and find the pic then upload
HobbsifeR
06-17-2004, 09:53 PM
u get it man?
marijuanaluver
06-17-2004, 09:56 PM
hey man heres the pics i took real fast man lol i just went out and grabbed a plant lol is it similar? what really makes me mad u cant see male or female and its quits annoying but were running a light cycle of the sun wich is like 16 bhours light 8 dark so its prolly in veg state gotta wait till flower but yeah man the pics i dont get it i have like approxiomately 300-400 plants of this that grow around my houseits weed but im not sure if it worth smokin or not well hit me back
HobbsifeR
06-17-2004, 10:04 PM
ya man i see that shit alot around to but the stuff i find has more leaves near the not and the buds are closer at the top
marijuanaluver
06-17-2004, 10:08 PM
lol ya man but i dont know what the hell to do with i mean id hate to see it all go to waste then id hate to get a major headache lol o well but ne ways man u got ne advice on this shizit also do u know ne thing about salvia divinorum because im lookin to see if i can get a plant of that i hear it trippy as all hell right now im currently in the process of growing wormwood a.k.a. artemisia absinthium and im gonna try and make absinthe with it to see if it does have effects like a high and drunkeness man lol the things the net will teach you now a days well peace hit me back up
HobbsifeR
06-17-2004, 10:08 PM
well youll never know if its smokable untill u try right?, dry a leaf then burn it to see how it smells, smoke it see if it gets u high or buzed or w/e
HobbsifeR
06-17-2004, 10:12 PM
u could dig up a few of the plants and grow them on the side of what ur growin as like a side project, put some good soil fert etc see how it grows, no man i dunno n e thin bout it i normally grow ak-47 and the diferent hazes,sry
marijuanaluver
06-17-2004, 10:14 PM
hey man do u have msn aol or yahoo or an email man if u do hit me up and ill keep in touch man lol and keep ya informed on the plants
DirtyLinus
06-19-2004, 06:24 PM
oh and even genetically speaking, there are plenty of cannabis plants.... but only one species that produces thc.... so it may be a cannabis plant...but nothing worthwhile unless you plan on making some hemp rope
HobbsifeR
06-22-2004, 03:40 AM
actually dude all plants produce THC , if evin a little bit but w/e so suck off a horse
DirtyLinus
06-22-2004, 07:20 AM
ha all plants produce thc?? like lillyplants and daisies!!! ha and you think i am the stupid one.... do ur reasearch then post on the boards silly boy
Dragonslayer4200
06-22-2004, 11:14 PM
i found the same plants dirty and they got me fucked up i couldnt walk striaght but it only lasted for like 30 mins
HobbsifeR
06-23-2004, 03:53 AM
I ment all cannabis plants asshole
del...
06-23-2004, 03:17 PM
but what ya got there isn't cannabis...
NowhereMan
06-23-2004, 04:47 PM
actually dude all plants produce THC , if evin a little bit but w/e so suck off a horse
can we cut out the insults now
or shall i kick the shit out ya names
i hate rude ass people ,who sling insults thinking its COOL to be ? what?
yea ,yea,,, he said this
u said that
del is much more leniant on that shit than me.
so is hunny,
me i have no tolerance to BULLSHIT
u dont want my attention,that way at all.
one of ya got to be grown the fuck up
or act it,
jeeshhhhh
if i got to delete your post over KIDDY shit name calling like that
which bugs me,and yes starts trouble.
so ive due cuase to do so.
i may delete you membership with it
hows does that sound.??
now play nice
please
peace
sawleaf
06-23-2004, 07:24 PM
Hey MarijuanaLuver, if you love cannabis so much, then you'd spend some time actually doing some book research. Whatever plant is in that pic you posted, is not cannabis. Smoke it if you want, but I if you guys are getting high off of it I don't know what chemicals you are ingesting. And it does look like that plant is flowering.
HobbsifeR
06-24-2004, 03:42 AM
the plant is cannibus the single pic is
is, i no what a plant looks like and its the plant....trust me ill get a pic of a single leaf if u dont believe me but ya u dont have to if u dont want to, but if u dont like the bull shit in the page DONT BOTHER COMING IN AND READING THE POSTS!!!
simple solution for ur prob.
marijuanaluver
06-24-2004, 07:32 AM
honestly i dont know what the hell the plant is its not flowering you yet because you cant even tell the sex and were getting 16 hours light 8 dark so the time is all wrong for flowering and ive done research i just cant find ne thing that looks like or describes plants like this i dont even know if its worth smoking im just keeping an eye on them tho to see if they show sex ne time soon its rather annoying actually because they puzzle me o well gotta learn somehow lol oh yeah this is to sawleaf if ya didnt know
DirtyLinus
06-24-2004, 08:52 AM
hobb and marijuana lover, you need to stop being so bitchy and stop, look... and realize we are tryting to help you... telling you that its not weed and you could be ingesting bad chemicals.... who knows... so lets be friends dammit... no more bitching just realize what ya have is not, i repeat, is not pot
sawleaf
06-24-2004, 02:29 PM
HobbsifeR, nobody here seems to have a problem but you and Marijuanaluver. You kids need to be more respectful in the forum. Why should we trust you? Are you a culitvation, botany, horticulture expert??? There are many plants that resemble cannabis that grow wild. Marijuanaluver, in the five pics posted you can clearly see that that plant is flowering. That is not cannabis, but you kids can have fun experimenting with your wild weed.
marijuanaluver
06-24-2004, 02:53 PM
dirtylinus i didnt start ne thing man i kept my mouth shut and im not bein bitchy im just learning through trial and error but if u say its not pot ill just leave it alone man it doesnt matter to me and saw iam not being disrespectfull in any way so why do you tell me to be respectful? iam not starting anything iam just an up and coming grower that seeks knowledge and hands on experience so please do not tell me to be respectfull when i already am and linus if i didnt say anything how can i be bitchy it really doesnt matter good luck to both your crops if your growin
sawleaf
06-24-2004, 03:20 PM
Okay Marijuanaluver, yeah I was my last post was mostly directed to HobbsifeR. But I talking about the pics you posted though. Oh and if you are going to make absinthe, it isn't really worth it. It tastes like crap and the psychotropic value of it is pretty weak. I have drank tons of it overseas, and honestly I find that it is a waste of time. If you want to trip and get drunk, shrooms and an beer will be a whole lot better! :)
king cola
06-24-2004, 05:33 PM
actually dude all plants produce THC , if evin a little bit but w/e so suck off a horse
i wish(the bit about all plants produce thc, not sucking off a )horse!! HAHAHAHA.
marijuanaluver
06-24-2004, 07:55 PM
lol yup thats what i need some shrooms n beer saw also how did u know i am trying to make absinthe ? because i didnt think i told ne one
sawleaf
06-25-2004, 04:36 AM
lol ya man but i dont know what the hell to do with i mean id hate to see it all go to waste then id hate to get a major headache lol o well but ne ways man u got ne advice on this shizit also do u know ne thing about salvia divinorum because im lookin to see if i can get a plant of that i hear it trippy as all hell right now im currently in the process of growing wormwood a.k.a. artemisia absinthium and im gonna try and make absinthe with it to see if it does have effects like a high and drunkeness man lol the things the net will teach you now a days well peace hit me back up
This is how I knew. :D Forgot what you posted huh?
marijuanaluver
06-26-2004, 01:34 AM
lol ya man lol forgot i posted that i thought u were reading my computers mind lol hahaha but ne ways i think its time i move on to a different thread ior sumthin
HobbsifeR
06-26-2004, 05:12 PM
yo, i have no prob, i brought the plant to a grow op and they told me that it was. but w/e iv moved on from that plant n e way. im germinating new seeds now n e way (its pissin me off, ive been waitin for over 2 days now and not one tap root god dammit)
so off of that topic, just put the dissagreement in the past and for get it
l8z
sweetbunscarrera
06-26-2004, 07:25 PM
For all who've seen a similar plant (and for those assholes who mock those of us just out there exploring and having a good time), that happy plant with marijuana-like leaves is, sadly, not. It is called Potentilla, or Five Finger, or Cinquefoil, and is actually in the rose family.
And for those of you who make fun of those who may have tried to smoke this, i'm not saying it's a good idea, but who the hell do you think figured out you could smoke cannabis and get stoned? you are probably thanking them.
i thought potheads were mellow, man. get out of the city and take a walk in some grassy field...think hippie. they were happy for a reason.
sweetbunscarrera
06-26-2004, 07:32 PM
Marijuanaluver...the pix of the plant are the same thing as by my house. 'tis a shame...
About salvia - that shit is incredible. it fucks you up and makes you extremely happy-high.. salvia is actually just a Sage plant (the stuff you find in mum's spice rack and herb garden) but don't try smoking that. the stuff that fucks you up is a concentrated extract, and you can buy that online somewhere...but i do recommend it. plus, it's 100% legal in the US.
duppy man
06-26-2004, 08:15 PM
here are some of the real thing..some seeds given to me by a seed doner..don't know what the strain is though... :)
KronicKing
06-27-2004, 12:55 AM
how old are they dumpy?
duppy man
06-27-2004, 09:10 PM
Kronic the big one is going into its 2nd week the other are just days old..aaaah the weathers taken a turn for the worse so the may have to go under 24hrs indoors are you growing yourself..
HobbsifeR
06-27-2004, 10:07 PM
nicely done my friend.....keep up the work,tell us how there doing in a little while
ive just planted some new seeds my self, just waiting on them to sprout....i have no idea what the strain is but the person i bought them off of got them from a grow op so they should be good, ill keep u informed wen th come out of the soil
duppy man
06-27-2004, 10:46 PM
Yes do that Hobs, post a pic when they have sprouted..
KronicKing
06-28-2004, 12:07 AM
yea mine are just comein up(3 days old now)the weather here in florida is goin 2 shit also so i may have 2 buy sum indoor equipment
HobbsifeR
06-28-2004, 04:39 AM
oh, ill post a pic...ill post that pic so good that no one else can post that pic and...wow im stoned
Dragonslayer4200
06-29-2004, 12:02 AM
i have gotten stoned off it but it only lasted for 30 mins and i had no after effects like munches or nothen
Dingo
06-29-2004, 10:36 AM
omy hobbsifer I have never seen anything so bizzare. the leaves on your photo looked alot like cannabis and the buds wierd very very very wierd post that picture on www.overgrow.com and see what those guys say.. you got high! man this is flipping me out
Dingo
06-29-2004, 10:42 AM
... those buds don't look right but hey they even show pistles? I mean there is a strain of cannabis that looks less like cannabis then that called ABC.
lethal purple poison
06-29-2004, 05:00 PM
I herd that hops was a cannabis plant ( a real vigorus and invasive vine), it grows wild around here, and i read.... on a weed site some wheres, god i cant remember, anyways that you can smoke it and by the way Not every plant has a male and female plant, mainly trees and shrubs do, and the Marijunana plant is , I think, im not sure just an annual shrub. Does this plant you guys speak of happen to have small thorns along the stalk?, i cant tell from the pictures.
lethal purple poison
06-29-2004, 05:12 PM
honestly i dont know what the hell the plant is its not flowering you yet because you cant even tell the sex and were getting 16 hours light 8 dark so the time is all wrong for flowering and ive done research i just cant find ne thing that looks like or describes plants like this i dont even know if its worth smoking im just keeping an eye on them tho to see if they show sex ne time soon its rather annoying actually because they puzzle me o well gotta learn somehow lol oh yeah this is to sawleaf if ya didnt know
not all plants Flower according to day light, alot is to do with age and tempeture, and as i said befor, not all plants are catagorized as male or female, some are herms, others a sexual, so even if that piticular PLant you were talking about did " flower" it possibly doesnt mean anything, take the holly berry shrub. Im not sure if its the wild one that i seen or the cultivated one, but the female produces berry but when they flower they look exactlty the same. PLus I live in canada. and the pic you shown..... i think we use as an annual. I am an ameture land scaper/ horticulurist, so if im wrong on any thing.... dont shoot off to me please.
HobbsifeR
06-30-2004, 04:30 AM
i never got high on that shit
on stuff i grabed from my uncles stash
HobbsifeR
06-30-2004, 04:35 AM
no thorns, a light fuzzz
Omerta
07-08-2004, 09:12 AM
he's right wild marijuana isnt good.It might get you high but it's not wroth it getting a headace.If you get caught with that shit you can be charged with harvesting might as well get charged with really weed.I have plenty around where i lived.It looked like marijuna but it didnt even show nothing like buds on top.Don't mess with that shit and that guy is right there is two kinds of Cannabis.The one with/out THC.Couple weeks ago I got curious of this plant and picked the top of the plant and put in my friends coin holder then we got pulled over.So the guy took it and put into a little baggie.Im just hoping this wild marijuana has no THC and it grows mold cuz it was still moist not dry or it's my ass.Another thing is I had to ditch my only indoor plant cuz of this stupid wild crap that gives u a headace.Then it died.So don't got picking this stupid weed that fools everybody.don't insult people when there trying to help.Get real weed.
magneslee
07-09-2004, 08:02 PM
yah stik to what you coltivate your self
BigBudDaddy08
08-08-2004, 03:59 AM
It is some shrub weed......Not usally used for smoking but it does give you a dizzy feeling ....From the chemicals it produce's ..Also the pollen off from flowers give off a weed smell..........My 200 acre are stocked full of it....
g0tgot
08-21-2004, 05:37 PM
ok....ummmmmm THE FUCK UP....... your whoring the thread.
popperman
09-02-2004, 05:26 PM
Man that is Not Weed that to me looks like the shit my lil bro picked up to sell to some dumb 13 yr olds. It doesnt get you high and it doesnt even smell like Pot. If u wanna smoke it go ahead ur just gonna get a head ach.
givemesomeweed
10-08-2004, 11:34 PM
did u smoke it? if u did tell me about it
bizzy9
10-10-2004, 03:35 AM
I know this is a old post but had to chime in I live in nebraska and we have tons of wild weed here it looks just like cannabis plants. I has nine leaves get big buds and seeds and when you smoke it taste just like real thing, except one inportant thing no high not even a little bit. I can't take digital picture do to lack of not owning one but if I did I could take pictures of plants higher than my head as far as the eye can see. They are all over the place. But I wish I could take a picture and show you guys you would not believe it. Now I don't know a buch about differnt strains but I do know this is cannabis plants. I have heard that the kind they use for rope will not get you high so that makes me wonder if this is that kind. Bizzy
notanovice
10-10-2004, 12:21 PM
yes it is that kind. it`s grown for hempfibers for industrial use like making cloth and rope and stuff. it has next to 0 thc and other canabanoid content.
kingcanabis
10-14-2004, 04:38 AM
it's rag weed it grows all over oklahoma.....
cannabis2
11-20-2004, 07:41 PM
hobbsifer i think you lack some knowledge on ths subject as adding more fertiliser will not increase thc levels, thc levels are genetics and can not be changed by adding fertiliser
alex32
11-27-2004, 11:54 AM
do you know what i think sweetbunscarrera could do next year, if the plants look similar enough, when the next set of plants start to grow he could plant an outdoor plant among them, then he will perhaps have a use for those poor plants, that is what i would do. You could plant quite a few of them there. Anyone with that kind of weed around try to grow some proper skunk inbetween it.
Imotep
11-28-2004, 01:21 PM
i cant remember which, govenor phillip or some such toff, colonised austrailia, he didnt bring the hemp plant he brought a kick arse sativa instead. it went wild on the big river round here for decades, the older guys get all misty eyed remembering it. it was legendary.
all gone now.
rip,
but bless you govenor whatever y name was. :)
topman
12-08-2004, 10:09 PM
what do ya rekon guys dates not correct never set it up on camera
jones2much
01-11-2005, 01:03 AM
this thread is fuckin hilarious....i only wish i was high so i could enjoy the humor even more.....peace......to all my fellow stoners and rope smokers
llamaman666
01-11-2005, 03:21 AM
thats hops, can it get you drunk?
shogun
01-12-2005, 10:10 PM
When I lived in Ohio, we called that stuff ditchweed, most of the less upstanding people I knew dried it and sold it at the Jr High, the only buzz it gives you is from oxygen deprivation, and packs one hell of a headache. You may have found real weed, but it was most likely planted by somebody.
adh endo
01-13-2005, 01:10 AM
yeah, but if it is bud, dont steal the crop..
if i were you tho, id leave a note saying hi, and who knows, maybe theyll give leave a bag for you after they harvest..
altwnyguy73
01-17-2005, 12:53 AM
it sounds like the plant you are describing is a thistle plant...something we have encountered in my neck of the woods....just guessin ...peace
magic009
06-04-2007, 01:18 PM
omfg dont be so retarded and smoke that shit lol i know for a 100% fact what that is i got shit loads around the yard it's called canastain lol yes it's in the cannabis family so true but cannabis only has THC in it canastain has TPC wich is a possion go a head and smoke the shit but you will get sick as a dog called die and all so will give you long time hard fuck ups!!! but if you dont want to take my word for it do what you like i dont know you so i dont care what you do have fun smoking your canastain i mean cannabis lol
I typed out a huge reply, THEN realized this thread is two years old...
The Green Reaper
06-04-2007, 05:11 PM
I typed out a huge reply, THEN realized this thread is two years old...
And you didnt post it anyway?:wtf:
lol, I was trying to send this thread back to the cellar. People argue about the strangest things, the plant isn't hemp, or mj; but nobody seemed to care, the thread got rude and ugly fast and turned into a virtual slap-fest that festered for far too many replies.
BlAzInIt4:20
06-04-2007, 06:03 PM
haha this thread was funny lol
twoguysupnorth
06-05-2007, 06:38 PM
it sounds alot like ragweed with the yellow flowers and fuzzy stems, look it up. some are alergic to it. its wild here too, it smells a little like mj but then so do a lot of plant things if you burn them. plus there is ditchweed which realy is a hemp but you wont get high from it. i remember trying a little expieriment with it when i was like 12, even then it didnt do anything except smell similar when you threw it in a campfire. sorry guys.
Flowerman
06-24-2008, 04:48 PM
yo bunscarrera! thank you for your knowledge on the cinquefoil aka the "ragweed" or "ditchweed" whatever they call it but i found a bunch of it near a river close to my home and i was pretty convinced and excited that it was the real thing! So I pulled a plant and brought it home for further examination. Luckily I joined this thread today and read your post. I researched this plant and found that you were correct so thanks again for the knowledge, now i wont waist my time trying to harvest these plants.
lunarose
06-25-2008, 03:55 AM
You could make an edible out of it first and gauge its strength that way and avoid the possible headache.
stinkyattic
06-25-2008, 01:13 PM
Absolutely not; just as you would never eat wild berries that you couldn't identify, you should NEVER eat or smoke unidentified plants. Do NOT give advice that could potentially harm someone. :mad:
redhawchick
06-28-2008, 05:54 AM
Hey guys,
15 years ago I planted some seeds at my moms farm and forgot about them I no longer indulge, My mother called me to cut down her hedges and guess what I saw dozens of mini cannabis plants.
I left most of them there but brought a few home esp. the ones with the buds on them. Are they still good after 15 years. I showed it to my mom who is 73 and she just laughed and said just leave them there and see what happens. here is my question how do i dry them out to see if indeed they are smokable and as I stated above how would they be after 15 years maybe just need a little tlc?
painretreat
06-30-2008, 09:01 AM
I don't know, but sure would be a good seed to use for a first grow (as you did and did and did and did and missed it all)! Very durable!:thumbsup:
stinkyattic
06-30-2008, 02:53 PM
They're an annual, so those are the 15th generation of a self-seeding population of what is most likely nothing more than feral hemp, which was never drug-grade in the first place. But hey, worth a try anyway!
pineappleexpres
03-25-2009, 02:31 PM
i found what looks like a marijuana plant by the river and i just pulled off a leaf and i was just wanting to know if this is wild marijuana it has 7 leaves and kinda look simlar to a marijuana leaf....... can anyone tell me
pineappleexpres
03-25-2009, 02:31 PM
i found what looks like a marijuana plant by the river and i just pulled off a leaf and i was just wanting to know if this is wild marijuana it has 7 leaves and kinda look simlar to a marijuana leaf....... can anyone tell me please and thank you.
pineappleexpres
03-25-2009, 02:39 PM
hey dudes
i found this plant and i picked a leaf off of it and i have a pic of it and i was wondering if any 1 could tell me if it is wild marijuana?????
ganglee101
05-05-2009, 06:24 AM
cinquefoil (Potentilla spp.)
ganglee101
05-05-2009, 06:25 AM
cinquefoil (Potentilla spp.)
Nyc_legend
05-08-2009, 12:40 AM
damn that is a freaky lookin leaf
elementoo00
05-24-2010, 08:00 PM
this is what i believe hes talking about, and im wondering the same thing.. is it pot?
sorry its all crumpled.. had to put it in my pocket at the time
elementoo00
05-24-2010, 08:36 PM
---didnt mean to post 2ice
Konnor13
09-29-2010, 09:56 PM
Hey, Does that plant have like really little thorny pokey things around the base of it or where the branched meet the stock cause I think I might have found the same thing but it looked like the budd was taken off of it already, thanks man.
Konnor13
09-29-2010, 10:04 PM
Hey does your plant have little thorny things on the bottom of it or where the branch meets the stock cause I found something that looks similar and think it might be the same but it looked like somone had cut the budd off already. Thanks.
Konnor13
09-29-2010, 10:08 PM
Does your plant have little thorny thing near the bottom or where the branch connects to the stock cause I think i found the same thing but it looked like the trimmed the budd off of it already. Thankls
Wisewolf20
10-05-2010, 03:07 AM
It could be the Ganja drawf fits the size grows pretty fast haven't had it but its supposed to be have a small bushy look hope i helped at least a little:thumbsup:
som3smok3y
01-15-2011, 11:33 PM
I have found many different similar plants or legumes at least that resemble marijuana..
I will take photos.
but my question is, where can I find the Cannibis family tree, like all of the plants that fall under this category?
is there a book?
or is there a complete website?
If we knew this, we could have all our questions answered..
:rastasmoke:
KIMJONGIL
01-17-2011, 04:16 AM
That's not cannabis
looks like Hops to me.
Hops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hops)
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.