Iraqis: Constitution Will Beat Deadline

[Psycho4Bud]

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi leaders rushing to finish a constitution Saturday reported tentative agreements on distribution of oil wealth and other issues, but there was no deal on the main obstacle: federalism.

President Jalal Talabani predicted the constitution would be submitted to the National Assembly on Sunday â?? one day before the deadline for parliamentary approval.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050813/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Lookin' gooooooood!!!!!!! :D

[amsterdam]

i love how the lefties in here never have anything to say about this kind of stuff.silly moonbats.

[bhallg2k]

Oh, yeah, progress on the Iraqi Constitution is going great!

They can't even decide what kind of country they want to be. There are as many as 17 different issues, including the distribution of oil revenues, that these people can't work out. And the only reason why the Constitution will be finished "on time" (if it is) is because the Kurds and the Shiites are making all of the decisions, for the most part leaving the Sunnis out; even going so far as to say that they will submit their draft to Parliament even if the Sunnis objected.

Lest we all forget that it's the Sunnis who are the largest group of insurgents. Do we really want them to have more emotional fuel for fighting? And if this is going to be a democracy - which was the third or fourth reason for why we invaded Iraq, I think - don't all groups need to be heard?

If this draft is submitted to Parliament without Sunni approval, you're all going to see the insurgency increase ten-fold. No one want this, certainly not me, but there will be a civil war, if there already isn't now.

Putting a timetable on drafting a Consititution is really quite ignorant, but basically in-line with U.S. long-range aptitude for nation building. Maybe W. should outsource the Iraqi command the same way he outsourced CPA protection.

[Psycho4Bud]

Oh ye of little faith! :D

[amsterdam]

its gonna pass!!!!!!!!!!!hahahahahaha.

[Psycho4Bud]

Rumor has it that with the pass there will be a peg! :D

[amsterdam]

i believe it was bluecat who said this would not happen?your fired!

[bhallg2k]

Yeah, it's really happening. Ok.

[amsterdam]

now back into your holes!

[F L E S H]

I love how you believe government propaganda and then have nothing to say when someone like bhallg2k points out all the fallacies in your arguments...

[amsterdam]

that the iraqi constitution is propaganda?

[Psycho4Bud]

Oh, yeah, progress on the Iraqi Constitution is going great!

They can't even decide what kind of country they want to be. There are as many as 17 different issues, including the distribution of oil revenues, that these people can't work out.

They want to ensure that the Sunni's aren't cut completely out of the oil profit loop. This IS being addressed in the constitution whether it is a federalism system or not. Equal distribution of revenue for all provences.

And the only reason why the Constitution will be finished "on time" (if it is) is because the Kurds and the Shiites are making all of the decisions, for the most part leaving the Sunnis out; even going so far as to say that they will submit their draft to Parliament even if the Sunnis objected.

The Parliament has the right to make revisions before the public vote. Fact is, if 3 provinces vote NO to the constitution it will not float. The Sunni's have the majority in 4 provinces.

Lest we all forget that it's the Sunnis who are the largest group of insurgents. Do we really want them to have more emotional fuel for fighting? And if this is going to be a democracy - which was the third or fourth reason for why we invaded Iraq, I think - don't all groups need to be heard?

Zarqawi and henchmen are the leaders! Granted the Sunni's do have their share but that will dwindle as time goes by.

If this draft is submitted to Parliament without Sunni approval, you're all going to see the insurgency increase ten-fold. No one want this, certainly not me, but there will be a civil war, if there already isn't now.

Insurgency will increase anyways due to another civilian vote. Zarqawi and friends don't want to see a democratic society in the middle east.
Civil war? What? Kurds and Shi'ites VS. Sunni's? 80% of the population VS. 20% and thats if ALL Sunni's are willing to fight and that IS NOT the case.

Putting a timetable on drafting a Consititution is really quite ignorant, but basically in-line with U.S. long-range aptitude for nation building. Maybe W. should outsource the Iraqi command the same way he outsourced CPA protection.

And finalize with a lil' bit of good ol' U.S.A. bashing followed by a dose of Bad George! It's really a bitch to see things working out....isn't it!!!! :D

[Psycho4Bud]

I love how you believe government propaganda and then have nothing to say when someone like bhallg2k points out all the fallacies in your arguments...

Is that good enough for ya?


BWWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :D :D

[BlueCat]

Iraq Constitution Negotiations Remains Deadlocked
This comes as negotiations on a new Iraqi constitution remain deadlocked. Today is the deadline for the National Assembly to draft a constitution. The New York Times reports that Shiite leaders are considering asking the National Assembly to approve the constitution without the agreement of the country's Sunni leaders. Iraq's Sunni leadership has criticized a Shiite proposal to create an autonomous Shiite region in the oil-rich southern portion of Iraq. Negotiations are also ongoing over the role of Islam in the state and the rights of women. And the Washington Post reports that U.S. ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad attempted to break the deadlock by presenting a U.S.-backed draft of the Iraqi Constitution. One Kurdish legislator described the U.S. draft as a "almost full version of a constitution." He said "The U.S. officials are more interested in the Iraqi constitution than the Iraqis themselves."

[amsterdam]

they'll get it done oh ye of little faith.just like i told you they would.

sniff,sniff,sniff-do you smell that?

[BlueCat]

the smell of DEFEAT? Yes it is quite strong.

[amsterdam]

you never cease to amaze me.stunning.

[Psycho4Bud]

the smell of DEFEAT? Yes it is quite strong.

Is that french? De- feet smell? I know its smelling like roses in the Parliment! :D

BWWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! :D

[amsterdam]

bluecat was talking all that shit like a month ago saying the iraqis would never get a constitution.oops!

[Psycho4Bud]

It's gonna kill a lot of people to see success in Iraq. Hell, take a look at any system. If it's actually a free country, everything is up for debate.

[amsterdam]

thats disturbing when you think about it,people like bluecat really do wish defeat.and her son is supposedly in the army!!thats fucked up.

[BlueCat]

No whats fucked up is a 2 bit felon like you playing armchair soldier loving every moment of this war because you know as a felon your coward ass will not be sent to die.

[BlueCat]

It's gonna kill a lot of people to see success in Iraq

Yes it is going to kill a lot of people. This is true. It won't kill any rich people though.

[amsterdam]

if your not there, you cant talk again eh?

hey dumb fuck,soldiers are not SENT to die,THEY VOLENTEER!!!

[BlueCat]

I don't have to be there...I hear the stories everyday...

"volenteering" something you know nothing about Hamster...

Did you say you were in college?

[amsterdam]

whatever you say kittycat.

always good for a chuckle.

[Psycho4Bud]

BWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :D :D :D


A PSYCHO NEWS REPORT JUST IN ................................................



Aug 15, 1:26 PM EDT

Iraq Leaders Agree on Draft Constitution

By ANTONIO CASTANEDA
Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Iraqi leaders have agreed on a draft constitution to be submitted to parliament by Monday's deadline except for two issues that the legislative body must decide, two Shiite officials said.

Nasar al-Rubaie, a member of the committee drafting the charter, said the document would be handed over to the 275-member National Assembly late Monday for a decision on the two unresolved issues, which he did not specify.


yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssss!!!!

[amsterdam]

what a great step for the people of Iraq and the world.very good news.

[BlueCat]

you guys live in a fantasy...

[amsterdam]

you were the one who said they wouldnt do it,i tried to tell you they would, but you wouldnt listen.

[BlueCat]

Why do you only post half the story? Are you afraid of the truth?


Iraqi leaders today signed a draft constitution but left two unspecified issues to be resolved later by the full parliament, two Shia officials said tonight.
Nasar al-Rubaie, a member of the committee drafting the document, said it would be handed over to the national assembly for a decision later tonight on the two unresolved issues.

Iraqi leaders have been haggling over the constitution ahead of a midnight deadline tonight (2100 BST) on its adoption by the national assembly in Baghdad.

The two main sticking points have been Sunni objections to federalism and concerns over the role of Islam.

Assembly members have three choices: reject the draft constitution and trigger new national elections, which analysts say is unlikely, postpone the deadline, or declare the agreed parts of the text and add amendments when the contentious parts are agreed.

[BlueCat]

We may well be watching the point at which the interim constitution begins being abandoned even in the absence of a new one, the point at which party politics and the interests of indigenous politicians overpower the technocratic dreams of the American political authority of 2003-2004. Paul Bremer had to slip out of Iraq in the middle of the night, and now his constitution may be making the same undignified exit.

Even if all this is somehow retrieved, the constitution could still be rejected in the referendum, and the Sunni Arab guerrilla movement is likely to go on anyway. Already Monday morning the wire services were reporting 9 killed in various places by guerrilla violence.

The real question isn't the constitution. The real question is actual, concrete politics. How do you keep the Kurds in without giving away the north? How do you bring the Sunni Arabs back in to ordinary politics? How do you satisfy the Shiites without implementing Islamic law as the law of the land? Those aren't even necessarily constitutional problems (Nigeria wrestles with similar issues every day, just in the framework of provincial statute). They are political ones. Resolving them requires compromises that the major political forces seem unwilling to make.

[amsterdam]

its gonna pass.

[BlueCat]

OMG I am wasting my time you are not even reading...

go back to your computer cage hamster...

[Psycho4Bud]

MY GLASS is half full! :D

[BlueCat]

An optimistic would say a glass is half full, while a pessimist would say it is half empty.

The government would say that the glass is fuller than if the opposition party were in power.

The opposition would say that it is irrelevant because the present administration has changed the way such volume statistics are collected.

The philosopher would say that, if the glass was in the forest and no one was there to see it, would it be half anything?

The economist would say that, in real terms, the glass is 25% fuller than at the same time last year.

The banker would say that the glass has just under 50% of its net worth in liquid assets.

The psychiatrist would ask, "What did your mother say about the glass?"

The physicist would say that the volume of this cylinder is divided into two equal parts; one a colorless, odorless liquid, the other a colorless, odorless gas. Thus the cylinder is neither full nor empty. Rather, each half of the cylinder is full, one with a gas, one with a liquid.

And I say I just need a damn DRINK. Hand me the fucking glass. :D

[bhallg2k]

So much for that, huh?

[BlueCat]

LMAO :D :D