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ineedskillz
05-31-2004, 02:48 PM
listen to this i have been growing northen light's for a while .a month ago got some blueberry clones. I cut off a branch on the NL and a branch of the blueberry diped them in rooting gell and tied the blue clone to the norhern light's plant with a little tape. It's been 10 day's today i took the tape off and the fuckers are fused together.Has anybody ever tryed this, have i created a monster or a hybrid wtf . It's going on 12/12 today and i can't wait to smoke this stuff. i consider myself a nooby to indoor growing still so please tell me what you think.
FrozenVenom
06-03-2004, 05:29 AM
ive heard of this with vegitables and fruiting trees, seems like a good idea
Bro DZ
10-16-2004, 10:09 PM
can we get an update on what happened with the grafting? I'm interested in finding out...
Asesino
10-18-2004, 07:42 PM
If it improves your overall yield in the end then it's been a good idea! Wait and see what happens...
notanovice
10-19-2004, 03:17 PM
your grafting job sounds good. that blueberry branch will be blueberry. grafting without seeding the bluberry bud will get you a blueberry bud on a NL plant, but, if you reveg after harvest, and then reflower, that branch will be blueberry again, without having to graft.
llamaman666
10-19-2004, 06:24 PM
so the Northern Lights turns blue baerry?
notanovice
10-19-2004, 09:06 PM
the bluberry grafted branch will be blueberry, the northern lights will stay northern lights
Bro DZ
10-20-2004, 02:13 AM
any change in growth at all? like noticeable taste or budding time or anything else that might be relevant!? LoL let us know whats up :D
ozzy grower
05-18-2005, 12:25 PM
Has any one tried on a non related tree? Such as a Willow etc?
schneider
06-08-2005, 02:37 AM
so say you graphted them together, then they fuse, can you cut off the entire branch and clone it and get a 1/2 blueberry 1/2 nl plant? just a hypothetical, but it sounds possible and sweet.
wheelz
06-14-2005, 10:23 PM
they do this with citrus trees and such...basically there will be no real reason to do this since it will only create one strain per grafted branch. better to just keep em seperate. if you want a cross youll have to pollenate one with the other and vise versa. good luck
passionate grower
06-16-2005, 05:09 AM
The purpose of grafting is typically to establish a very robust rootstock that is disease resistant, drought tolerant, or soem other desirable trait. Then you graft the 'cultivar', the plant with desirable traits such as: bud size, THC content, etc.
A good approach here is to grow basic hardy skunk from seed, and use this as a rootstock for your cultivar clones; BC Bud, White Widow, Northen Lights, etc. If you can successfully graft, you could elliminate the clone rooting problems, such as stem rot and other fungal diseases.
What you will not get is some sort of fusing of the two sepcies. The grafted clone will remain true, just as the rootstock wil remain skunk, in this example.
i wish i could graft my girlfriends pussy on my plant,then i could get rid of the bitch n be truely happy :D
mikeo14
03-09-2006, 11:31 PM
would it be possible to graft a marijuana branch to a bamboo plant? the leafs have the same similar elongated leaves, HEY or even graft it on a japanese maple! have you seen those fuckers just google japanese maples the leafs are strikingly similar to weed
karmaxul
03-10-2006, 01:26 AM
The hop plant (Humulus lupulus) is a vine that was formerly placed in the mulberry family (Moraceae), but because of the remarkable similarity of floral characteristics, it is now placed in the marijuana family (Cannabaceae) along with marijuana or Indian hemp (Cannabis sativa). In fact, these are the only two genera in this family. Both species are dioecious, with separate male and female plants in the population. The females flowers of hop plants are strikingly similar to those of marijuana. Another example of their genetic affinity has been demonstrated by grafting the scion or shoot of a hop plant to the rootstock of marijuana. The purpose of this graft was to produce an unrecognizable hybrid with the appearance of a hop plant but with the THC of marijuana.
Like marijuana, male and female hop plants produce clusters of apetalous flowers. Each female flower is subtended by a leafy bract, and when mature, the female inflorescence superficially resemble a small, soft pine cone because of the numerous overlapping bracts. The bracts contain glands that produce the characteristic volatile oils of hops. The dried, mature conelike structures are also referred to as hops. They are added to beer because they impart a pleasant taste and aroma. Hops also contain enzymes that coagulate excess unwanted proteins that cause beer to become cloudy. Hops are very important in the beer industry because they help to produce a clear, sparkling brew. They also contain compounds that have antibiotic properties and help to prevent bacterial action and spoilage of beer.
The female flowers of marijuana (Cannabis sativa) are very similar to those of the hop plant (Humulus lupulus). Both species belong to the marijuana or hops family (Cannabaceae). Female flowers of both species are subtended by conspicuous bracts. Bracts of hop flowers are larger and they overlap each other to form a conelike structure called the "hop." Both species also contain numerous resin glands on the upper leaves and bracts. In marijuana, the golden, globular resin glands are the source of THC (delta-trans-tetrahyrocannabinol), the main reason this plant is the primary cash crop in many regions of the world (including several counties in California). Male marijuana plants are much less glandular and are commonly grown for their high quality stem fibers called bast fibers. They are cultivated and exported as an excellent textile fiber under the name of Indian hemp.
Marijuana is native to central Asia, and the Chinese appear to have been the first to harvest the plant for its hemp fibers and medicinal uses. The psychoactive properties of marijuana were first exploited in India. The Indians classified Cannabis products into ganja, consisting of the potent female flowers and upper leaves, and hashish, the golden resin containing THC. The most potent and resinous plants are bushy, well-spaced female plants grown in warm, sunny climates without male plants. The term "sinsemilla" (sin: without) and (semilla: seed) refers to unpollinated, unfertilized female plants without seeds. Through the travels of Marco Polo, Napolean and British colonists, the virtues of marijuana as a fiber plant and psychoactive drug spread to Africa, Europe and the New World. Marijuana has a number of therapeutic uses. It reduces the nausea experienced by cancer patients undergoing radiation and chemotherapy. Since THC dilates bronchial vessels, it provides relief for asthma sufferers. It also relieves hypertension, and is effective in reducing pressure in the eyes of glaucoma patients. Although it is illegal to grow without special medical permits, it is still the number one cash crop in some areas of the United States.
From: http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ecoph26.htm
Here is another interesting one from..... http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/marijuanabotany2.html
Grafting
Intergeneric grafts between Cannabis and Humulus (hops) have fascinated researchers and cultivators for decades. Warmke and Davidson (1943) claimed that Humbles tops grafted upon Cannabis roots produced ". . . as much drug as leaves from intact hemp plants, even though leaves from intact hop plants are completely nontoxic." According to this research, the active ingredient of Cannabis was being produced in the roots and transported across the graft to the Humulus tops. Later research by Crombie and Crombie (1975) entirely disproves this theory. Grafts were made between high and low THC strains of Cannabis as well as intergeneric grafts between Cannabis and Humulus, Detailed chromatographic analysis was performed on both donors for each graft and their control populations. The results showed ". . . no evidence of transport of inter mediates or factors critical to cannabinoid formation across the grafts."
Grafting of Cannabis is very simple. Several seedlings can be grafted together into one to produce very interesting specimen plants. One procedure starts by planting one seed ling each of several separate strains close together in the same container, placing the stock (root plant) for the cross in the center of the rest. When the seedlings are four weeks old they are ready to be grafted. A diagonal cut is made approximately half-way through the stock stem and one of the scion (shoot) seedlings at the same level. The cut portions are slipped together such that the inner cut surfaces are touching. The joints are held with a fold of cellophane tape. A second scion from an adjacent seedling may be grafted to the stock higher up the stem. After two weeks, the unwanted portions of the grafts are cut away. Eight to twelve weeks are needed to complete the graft, and the plants are maintained in a mild environment at all times. As the graft takes, and the plant begins to grow, the tape falls off.
Here is a very old forum from 2001 I found at http://www.gardenscure.com/420/archive/index.php/t-15935.html
Grafting woody plants like trees is significantly easier than plants like marijuana because a successful graft requires matching up the Tissue types in the cambruim between the rootstock and the scion (the piece beeing grafted to the rootstock). In woody plants the cambruim is typically layered --think inner layer of bark. With marijuana the cambrium tissue are found in bundles, roughly acompanying the stringy fibers running parallel to the stem. Whatever the scion stock, it must have a similar diameter and overall bundle arrangement which means that you would need to graft a plant of nearly identical size to the rootstock just created by the harvest.
Grafting a plant with strong above ground features but weak roots to a plant with a strong rootstock makes a lot of sense in a perennial plant whose fruit is harvested annually and it is quite common. Grafting is not so common with annuals due to the fact that the delay in growth over the season required to recuperate from the graft often results in less yield than simply growing the less than ideal plant in the first place. It can take a couple months to get a graft to take to the point where the scion is growing as vigourously as it did on the mother plant.
Annuals are improved typically through selective breeding and hybridization. True, marijuana can be manipulated to repeat the veg/flowering cycle but it is an annual and most people think that the regenned plants eventually lose vigor and become hermaphroditic over successive regenerations.
Some success has been reported in grafting hops to marijuana rootstock and vice versa. If canabis branches could be grafted high up on a large hops vine, there could be some benefit with respect to stealth but I dont know if the large vine would significanly dilute the Cannabis hormone levels required to initiate and sustain flowering.
Actually I planted some hops vines last year in the hopes of messing around with grafting for that very reason but they require a couple years to really establish themselves and put up large enough diameter stems to be a grafting candidate.
One thing is for sure, any plant successfully grafted onto a cannabis rootstock will not contain THC originating from the rootstock. Canabis produces the psychoactive compnenets in the stem,leaf and flower tissues not from the rootstock-- so no cannis berries (which would both give you and cure your munchies simultaneously!)
Definitions: cambium
CAMBIUM [cambium] , thin layer of generative tissue lying between the bark and the wood of a stem, most active in woody plants. The cambium produces new layers of phloem on the outside and of xylem ( wood ) on the inside, thus increasing the diameter of the stem . In herbaceous plants the cambium is almost inactive; in monocotyledonous plants it is usually absent. In regions where there are alternating seasons, each year's growth laid down by the cambium is discernible because of the contrast between the large wood elements produced in the spring and the smaller ones produced in the summer. These are the annual rings, by which the age of a tree can be established. A tree dies when it is "ringed," or girdled, i.e., cut through the cambium layer. The cork cambium, which lies outside the phloem layer, produces the cork cells of bark .
I bet its possible some how and has to do with structure and biochemicals but I dont care to research it further right now.
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