HARDDON's FIRST SOG

[HARDDON]

Ok gang...cunt and whore are being cured...the good old fashioned way....

IN MY BONGS :D :D :D


Here is my first SOG attempt. I am not 100% complete. Still need to add foil to boxes....

I planted these seeds I think yes...on Monday.

This morning some had popped out much to my dismay....I was kinda liking not haveing to worry about some frickin plants for at least a week..... :(

I didnt expect some to pop so fast so already I have problems :( one of the hazards of soil germination....

Any, I intend to do the following this grow........

SOG, or sea of green....

This is a small version of the popular quick grow-harvest for people who have height or space problems like I have. I only can grow in a 3.75 sq. place, which is really only good for one plant.

I intend to use the SOG method to produce literally a sea of green plants that are small, compact and stays low.

25 plants vegged for a quick 21 day period....
Force flower, remove the males....
Have 18 good female main kolas at 1/4 oz each...
HARVEST Halloween night....

Also I am going to test my prehistoric dinosaur water.
Also I am going to test softened tap water.
Also I am going to test RO only water.
Also I am going to test inclusion of rooting hormones in water during veg. with and without.
Also I am going to test superthrive with and without.

My lighting is 3 55W 5500K CFLs....(gotta find where i put the 3rd one..stoned again...)
My lighting includes 2 125W 6500K CFLs...

I have some blueberry, blueberry X strawberry cough, white widow, and blueberry X jack herrer....

Also I included some bag seed that I got from some worthy smoke here and there....

About 7 or 25% have germinated in 3 days...the rest will germinate in the next four. I allowed two of the white widows to dry out under the lights like an asshole. I have watered and we shall see if they make it.

I also show one pic of the top of the grow chamber. I am very very fond of reflection and light containment. I see many growers neglect the light that escapes the top of the canopy.

Reflectors are a popular way to correct this but I dont like the radiant heat they create.

Kool tubes are a great way to use a reflector without the heat issue...but it will hamper UV-B distribution.

I prefer a good old fashioned WHITE board made with a white laminate side for use with the lights. It diffuses the light without creating radiant heat and creates a very friendly reflection level.

I took this pic without the flash to show how dark it can be using a white reflective top surface. I would rather have the light on the plants than on the ceiling.

At the top right is my forced exhaust driven by a 6" Vortex Filter system.

Below is the flower chamber but its not done yet.

Fuck i gotta do all this, troll for tits pics, paint the ceiling, go look at a new house ding bat wants and actually do some real work.

MORE XANAX PLEASE :D

Of course I also have to find time to smoke some good smoke.....

I wonder,,,,,which shall I do first?

Anyhow here are the pics....

[9ski9]

Awesome. This is like sitting down with a great book or movie.

[jettazz]

Looking good . You're gonna have to start thinking of some names pretty quick. Whoreina, Whorine, Whorise are a few possibilities :o

Did you soak the seeds for a day or just put'em straight in dirt?

[newgroweroldsmoker]

the setup looks rather impressive.....i guess what you're after is 2 oz per sqft of space...if so, then theoretically i should be able to achieve that as well, right?
i have started my grow on hydro and plan more or less to create a sea of green as well...my babies are like a week old from seed, 23 in total, 3 different strains all indica dominants (Babilonia,Crystal,Papaya), all good for SOG.....they are already under the 400watt HPS and placed on the rockwool cubes on the board....there is no problem with the headspace but i've set a limit of 6ft tall to hang the lights from.....i will add a second 400 watt in there for flowering...i expect to harvest all of them around the 28th of October...when is heloween?
i used cellmax rootbooster and still do (it is recommended to use during rooting and the first week of vegetation), so far from what i see and can tell is that this product makes wonders...i've never seen seeds sprouting so fast in my life (not that i've sprouted many).....i mean the seeds all cracked within one day but 2 which sprouted 2 days later but had to be thrown away......
anyway what has also happened is that my 23 babies are all unmarked and mixed up again....do not know which is which exactly.....this is going to be a funny grow.....


and you are setting like the minimum yield for my grow (in a way)

i wonder if you ''catch'' my drift.....i guess you do....here it is, if everything turns out right, in the end i should get at least 24 oz of dry Buds@10% of humidity....i guess that means that they whould have to be real crispy and break when touched i suppose.......you really inspire me man :D


NGOS:)



PS. can't find a damn cable to post pics yet:(

[AngryJohnny]

21 days from popping head?

they are going to FILL that room in 21 days.

31 days sex hope to lose 10

my 24 day is perty big..
yippee timer just installed went off first time.. :D

[Krippysmoker]

Damn Hard...If you were here we could use your seeds...with my unlimited space....buy more lights and never do anything but smoke....we could even hire immigrents to tend the crop. lol

[HARDDON]

krisspy....i tink i fallin in luv wichu......

:)

[cannabuds]

NICE im doing this HARDDON

[Mellow Man]

Of course he will transplant before flowering,and maybe 2litre pepsi bottles would be best,you can fit several in a square foot,and plenty of root room for the entire grow stage in flowering! just something to think The bottle may not be big on the round but has a decent length to it even with the top cut off!,almost like a plant in a tube instead of a pot lol...good luck Harddon,look forward to checking out your updates...

[cannabuds]

good idea thanks man for the idea!!!

[HARDDON]

I am not entering this grow with the certainty of repotting.

If I absolutely must, I will.

But, I dont believe that big roots equate to big buds. I believe I can bottom feed and keep the roots in control.

I have dabbled in bonzi trees for years..... :)

Again, I do not intend to transplant. If I must to save the plants I will....

But I dont think I will.

Lets see if this can be done. :)

[stickygreenlightsabr]

So you think you'll be able to get ~4 oz out of ~4 sqft with CFLs? Damn why am I not doing SoG? :)

[HARDDON]

NO i am just veggin with CFL's....in the flower chamber I will use HPS / MH

[newgroweroldsmoker]

you mean that you intend to do the entire grow into these small plastic cups?

[ganjamania]

Awesome. This is like sitting down with a great book or movie.
That's what I was thinking - so detailed explanations & can't wait til next chapter.

Looks like you've got everything well thought out & prepared as usual - good luck with getting your 4 & 1/2 oz :D

[HARDDON]

This morning, 8 more popped their head out of earth and I threw them under the lights.

So far 15 have popped out.

NOt one White Widow has sprung yet....

Si I took one container and dug around a bit, very carefully of course and found the seed and it has not even cracked yet.

That concerns me deeply...although it can take a full 7 days to germ, instead of 4 or 5.

Will update as progress dictates.

[latewood]

Don't feel bad I'm on day 5-6 with my bb x jh and the seeds have just barely busted...
looks like this is going to be a long slow grow...I might just veg'em big enough to flower and clone to protect the strain, especially since I am not going to be ordering seeds for awhil...at least not from CanCan

[mosaka]

Thats 1 wkd SOG seup!... RESPECT
Can you tell me what soil you are using?
Are they ordinary pots or self watering/feeding pots?
How long are you leaving ya lights on for?
Which germination method did you use?

I am going to start a SOG setup in my very well insulated side loft. (theres a secret door behind my t.v. set in my bedroom leading to a side loft :D no one will ever know :P)

[HARDDON]

Well I got home today and 3 more had poked thru the earth.

They are under lights now.

Soil is PRO MIX in half and Ferti-Lome in the other half.

Both very rich and airy.........

[latewood]

Damn.you make me want to do that too!!! Isn't that the fun of growing, every 3 months you can do a NEW experiment??? and get stoned in the process...

[mosaka]

Do you think i could mix mg soil with normal germination soil in 1 pot? (bottum 3/4 mg soil top 1/4 germination soil)??

Did you soke your seeds in water for 24hours beffor putting them in the soil to leave in the dark till they sprout?

[red662]

r u gonna leave em in the same containers they r in now? 4 the whole grow?im thinkin off veg 60 days is that 2 long?

[HARDDON]

Two more popped out tonight.

Though they are barely outta soil...infact their hooks have not even emerged, I have them under lights.

As soon as you see it, it is able to see light...thus they are ready.....

RED...it is my objective to leave them in the same container.

60 days veg is not too long..but then you are not truly growing a SOG.

SOG is designed for quick veg and flower. 60 days the plants would be three feet tall...maybe four....and you have multiple kolas all over the place and hence not a SOG grow.

With a 60 day veg, you are looking at approx. 120 days....
A SOG grow should be no more than 81......give or take....

FOr all intents and purposed, the grow day count will commence on this coming Monday the 15 of August morning as day 1.

By then all seed that sprought will have and the grow commences.

Still no White Widows.

I give them til sunday to sprout.

MOsaka....anything that has the Miracle Grow name on it has no business in an MJ grow...period.

I am not sure what 'germination' soil is so I cant advise on that.

I do not soak my seeds prior to germ....there is no need as far as I am concerned. I like to place in soil 1/4" deep and loosely fill the hole and water every other day or so...just a dropper filled with water right on top of the seeded hole.

Light is not detrimental to germinating as long as it doesnt dry out the seed.

[latewood]

I lean towards hydro, more than potted medium, that is why I Germinate, besides I've never had a problem getting the little bastards to pop open...It was keeping them alive that always stumped me until the last year, when i got serious...remember
Pot isn't addictive until you start growin' it!

[mosaka]

thnx harddon!
i am setting up my growroom 2day...nearly finished. it lookes a bit like yours, only with 10 plants, (havnt yet set the to germinate) strain - master kush. i was told they stay low.I am going to give them 2 x 100 watt compact flourescents. 1 cool white, 1, warm white. Do you think tht will do?

[Joel]

God harddon, when you grow, you make me want to jump out of my pants and have an orgasm. Your grow room is so tidy, and none the less your grow before this one was BUEATIFULL.

You got an email so I can run a few questions by you? After all you are a very buisy person with your E-PIMPING buisness ;). haha.

[HARDDON]

Joel,

If your name was Jolette, or Juliet, I would prolly take that as a comliment...LOL....

THanks for the kind words but I am just a stoner who learns by doing what other people say DON'T DO and then I learn the hard way..... :)

OK here is the updated status....

25 seed planted...
21 sprouted.....

ALL seeds sprouted except for the WHITE WIDOWS :(

And damn, i was looking forward to that so much.

The widow seeds were obviously bad. Even though they passed my crunch test, they failed to sprout.

THat tells me mold had probably infected the host bud(s) and thus the zero germ rate from this batch.

***NOTE TO SEED SELLERS***
If mold had infected your bud, don;t sell the fucking seeds. :)

Moving on...

Here is Now DAY 1 of the SOG grow....my Sea of Green will be 4 plants short, so already now I am behind in the game.

LESSON #1..... plant more seeds than you need. :)

See, no matter how good you germ, a bad seed lot can fuck up your dreams :)

We'll see what lesson number 2 is when I learn that...the HARD way...lol....

(I said hard..hehehehhehe)

Lets see how these babies grow from good frickin CFL's. I still cant find my third 55W bulb......damnit :(

I lose so much shit you'd think I was a total loser in life.....but I guess I lose the right things now and then :)

[Marc Benson]

HD! Cool! Looks like all the babies are about at the same point in growth. Be interesting to see this grow take place. I know you said you're going for a quick 21 day veg but are you also sort of going for a certain height before flowering? Or right on 21 days flower away?

[Nochowderforyou]

Looking good Hard-on. I can't wait to see the outcome of this :)

Too bad about the WW :(. That is still my fav. strain I've done so far. Oh well, better luck next time. Good luck to you.:cool:

[HARDDON]

HD! Cool! Looks like all the babies are about at the same point in growth. Be interesting to see this grow take place. I know you said you're going for a quick 21 day veg but are you also sort of going for a certain height before flowering? Or right on 21 days flower away?

Good question MB....

I am going for 21 days. Irrelevant of plant height.

A true SOG is just that....a quick in and out. Also, if I veg any longer. root bound will be a problem and I dont want to deal with that.

I want these to grow and flower in the same container.

I couldnt find my other 55W CFL, (damn I hid that sucker well I guess), so I went ahead and installed another 125W CFL.

So now I am veggin with:

3 125W
2 55W

For a total of 485W of CFL's......

I have sectored off the 3 different studies I wanna do here....

simplified it a bit since I have 4 less plants to study than I wanted to.

I am testing:

dinosaur water w/superthrive
RO water w/root hormones w/superthrive
RO water w/o superthrive

Future grows will need to be done to study the results of some of the other items I wanted to test, but this will give me tons of info and insight into what works best and then I can build and share from there.

[ganjamania]

Harddon, I am well impressed by your setup. Just 1 question - is that foil you are using?

[HARDDON]

:)

The walls of my chamber are covered in reflective yet insulated thermal water heater blanket. When building the unit I was scared to death of a fire and wanted some protection in case one of the HID bulbs blew on me.

As for the containers......some are wrapped in the same thermal blanket and some are indeed wrapped in aluminum foil.

[HARDDON]

DAY 2

[HARDDON]

DAY 3

[Joel]

HARDDON - Mylar Master.

You should take that as a compliment, I dont jump out of my pants and orgasm all the time, only for you..... only for you.

[HARDDON]

Fuck Joel..you are starting to scare me man.

I am straight as an arrow.

Please....control yourself :)

OH.....

I have never used mylar. Its all foil :eek:

Foil is not the demon people make it out to be :)

[mosaka]

are you leaving your lites on 18/6? what kind of cfl are they? full spectrum?

[notanovice]

you seem to have lost the meaning of SOG, clones, not individual plants from seed.
you have quite a set up there, but your plants will outgrow the space quickly during veg.
ya see, a single stemmed clone, single cola, is the mainstay of SOG, individual plants from seed will have many branches which will fill your space faster than you can keep em pruned up.
this is just my opinion, but if you want to do a sog seedplant grow, you need to start the force flower period near the 3rd week or they will over grow your space and give you a tsunami grow
just my opinion, but who listens to an old grower, smoker
all in all, i would love to see you succeed in this and prove my growing experience wrong.
GOOD LUCK
keep up the good work

[HARDDON]

Mosaka....

I go 18/6 and yes all lights are full spectrum....

the 2 curly cues are 55W 5500K and the 3 long lights are 125W 6500K.

For you floro users, they are the best money can buy and the best fer yer herbs :)

Notanovice...

I appreciate your input. I do realize what you are saying about the potential for mass chaos in the veg state.

However, if you read my initial posts in this thread, I clearly state that I intend to do a 21 day veg then force flower.

I also reiterated the 21 days veg period a couple of other times in this thread.

Again, I appreciate your knowledge and experience in this endeavor and any advce you have is greatly appreciated.

DAY 4........

All systems are GO :)

[Marc Benson]

So what are their names?!

[notanovice]

:) :)
I like your attitude. You`ll go a long way in the world of cannabis cultivation with an open mind, open to different ideas. I like that and it shows you have what it takes to become a very successful and knowledgeable grower.
My hat`s off to you
:) :)

[latewood]

looking good.bro, don't have alot to say other than, can't wait to see what you do next...
P.S. Im tore up my room tonight, going back to it right now,needed a break watch for pix later...

[HARDDON]

Well its day 4 and already I can see some preliminary results.

The plants on the right have already grown roots all the way to the bottom of the bottles. The are already curling and growing back up now into the fricking soil.

These are the ones I have fed and watered with room hormone powder and superthrive. Those 6 or 7 are by far the leafiest and furthest along.

The middle group fed only water and superthrive have a couple that also have roots going to the bottom already.

The third group on the left, and the smallest plants, are fed water only.

Too early to say for sure....I need to switch their rotations under the lights for the next four days to rule out brighter light issues...but...

I feel comfy in saying the Schultz Rooting Powder & SuperThrive plants are ceratinly more advanced in plant structure.

Of course this blows to shit my idea of using the same containers to flower in.

Guess I need to start collecting some 2 litre Dr. Pepper or Fresca bottles. NO biggie though as I have the space set up for them now.... :)

Oh well..thanks for viewing :)

I gotta travel tomorrow so I wont be around to see any new tits pics gang....

My friend has just harvested some California Orange Bud and I gotta go check it out. Never had it and never seen it in live person. Plus gotta do the business thing too.

I'll update 2moro night pics....day5...

[HARDDON]

DAY 5....

I have raised the lights up to about 8"

I want these to grow a main kola and I think keeping them so short and bushy isnt gonna be in the best interests of my SOG.

Day 5 and most plants are now on their third set of leaves and only a couple have poked their heads outta the container tops, and I need them to stretch a bit.

We'll se if we can add a little height here...I may have to turn off one of the big bulbs.

[cannabuds]

looks great for five days Hard ON!

[Joel]

Hahaha Harddon, I was just playn with you man...
I was simply admiring your grow and your past grows. :p
Anyways looking hella good for 5 days man, I cant wait to see the final product!! :D

[9ski9]

Of course this blows to shit my idea of using the same containers to flower in.


Does this change your planned 21 days of veg? Would you have started them off in 2 liter containers knowing what you know now? Does repotting during such a fast veg set you back at all? Do you know when you'll repot?

[9ski9]

I want these to grow a main kola and I think keeping them so short and bushy isnt gonna be in the best interests of my SOG.


Is there any pruning that you're considering? Is there anything to remove to concentrate the plant energy into the main koal that wouldn't hurt the plant overall during veg? Or flower, too, I guess?

[HARDDON]

Does this change your planned 21 days of veg? Would you have started them off in 2 liter containers knowing what you know now? Does repotting during such a fast veg set you back at all? Do you know when you'll repot?

NO i still gona do just 21 days....my SEA will be very green in the next 7 days.

No i wouldnt change the start off container as I believe the more soil space you have the more watering needs to be done, more nutes involved, blah blah blah.....

I anticipate being able to transplant these with no shock or problems. That fricking rooting hormone stuff just makes em thrive even more and I do believe SuperThrive stems off transplant shock.

I will repot the day I throw them into flower.

No pruning, bending, tying or nothing is planned.

I just wanna learn from this one and plan for the next.

I thing the SOG will be the way for me with the limited space I have...

The one change I do have in mind though.,.,,

These BlueBerry X Jack Herrer plants....there are two of them that I am gonna pull from the SOG and grow true plants.

IN all my years of killing little MJ plants from being a dumbass I have never seen leaves like on these two.

I'll post a closeup of them so you can see what I mean....

Right now I am hanging over big time :eek:

[HARDDON]

DAY 7....

Today these little bitches are all ONE WEEK OLD.... :)

The Sea is slowly turning Green :)

Attached is the Blue Berry x Jack Herrer......it is already covered in clear trichs and smells very pungent.

Also, at 5 days, it already had formed secondaries.....

I think I will keep two of these to grow some large plants with for the fuck of it.

[stickygreenlightsabr]

Going off on a tangent here... but when do most people start "day one"?

I noticed yours was six days after planting seed. I'm curious since the ones I have going are seven days from planting.

[Marc Benson]

"it is already covered in clear trichs and smells very pungent."

Probably just mold..HA!

But don't trichs only form when the plant is mature and a female (which it could be) and looking to be pollenated? Isn't that what trichs are? A way for the pollen to stick to the female plant when it's ready to flower?

[HARDDON]

I dont know about most people but I count day one from the time it pops open and reveals the first leaf set.

For simplicity sake, I just started them all on daily count from when all were at that stage. I suppose you could add 2 or 3 days because some popped before others in a 48 hour span.

Put that is just splitting hairs.

MB....

It is theorized that trichs are primarily for protection against vermits, varmin and predators. The get stuck in the sticky environment and trap the demons.

I know a trich when I see a trich.

Which is why I am making this plant special. I havent seen much more than bagseed in my life....but this one under a scope is laden with clear trichs at day 7.

I dont know what else to say. Perhaps a more seasoned grower can explain.

Trichs form on hemp plants too, male and female.

It is what is IN the trichs that make the shit special. I dont surmise the plant has any THC in the trichs at this time....but the foundation is certainly there.

As for the trichs catching the pollen, the hairs that spring from flower pods have on them the goo that collects the pollen. Pollen stuck to a leaf woundn't do much good for the flower pistels.

I just know in my heart that this is one special plant.

I shall therefore name her....

PRINCESS CUMBUCKET :)

She is going to be a very special plant.

Hell I might even create a new home just for her :) :) :)

[cannabuds]

That is really amazing for just one week Hard On cant wait till 21 days!

[latewood]

Glads to see you are in good spirits there bro, I haven't looked at your latest pic's if any, just came and read the last page...will be lookin for more pic's...So you've got a special one there, that is nice.
My bbxjh didn't make it out of seed, so I contacted KlozitKing and they are sending more with extras for my patience, KlozitQueen responded within 6-8 hours onsite, that will balance me a little...expect quick arrival since all they have to do is send them. No more paper towel method for me.
I think I'm just gonna start'em in peat pellets from now on. I'm gonna veg'm, sex'm, & clone'm...grow'em out decide which taste the best and re-veg the mother...sorry about rambling on... good growing to all and to all a good night!

[ganjamania]

Harddon, I haven't been on here for about a week & your sea is def getting greener.

That trichy princess does seem well strange, looks kinda rubbery that close up :D Are you sure she's not a Lowryder? (flowering from birth)

Keenly awaiting more greenery :D

[Marc Benson]

HD, Hey can you take a photo of that thing really close? I mean so you can see what those little light specs actually look like? I have an 'expert' that might be able to shed some light on this, but it just might be just what you say it is. Trichs! Not that I don't believe you! Nature isn't as 'right down the line' as we sometimes think. Looks like you might have a freak that would for sure only be right to grow by itself and see what happens. But ganjamania might have something there. Might be a ruderalis strain. Might be the next new hot thing in this hobby! You'll be a bazillionaire!

[HARDDON]

I will try tonight and get as close up to it as I can.

I was looking at her this morning under the scope just to make sure I wasnt stoned or too hung over.

But sure enuff......little bubble blisters all over the leaf surface.

Looks very strange...I have two more of that kind right now but they arent anything like this one. Same leaf formation and high ridges....

Will post one a little later just got back in town a bit ago.

Left early this morning for east coast trip....and just returned.

Dead tired and havent smoked all day....til the second I got in my car from the airport and smoked....but damn... I am still hangin :)

[HARDDON]

Ok day what......7 or 8 here..... frick i am still hurtin bad.....no more vodka for HARD ON.

Here is my SEA OF GREEN....as you can see the sea is getting greener by the day now.

I am also having to water 2X a day now.....

Don't know if I should say "GET TO WATER" or "HAVE TO WATER"... :)

Also posted are the pics of the 3 freak plants....

One of them as you can tell is a fucking tard...

She doesnt know whether shes an MJ plant or a fricking carrot :eek:

Bu there are also some closeups of Princess CumBucket.

Ah the scent of a woman :)

she smells so very pretty....

Anyhow, thanks for viewing...will update as the world turns :)

Please, pray for Hard On that he feels better too :)

[cannabuds]

that sure is some odd looking MJ there Hard ON what strain was those suposed to be again??

[Krippysmoker]

lol I just love the names Hard gives his ladies....

[Marc Benson]

Hey HD, Here's what a few people said about your sweetheart. I showed them two of your pics. Sounds like you got a special little chick there.

"your first pic it looks like fine hairs. The second pic certainly looks like trichs. Ive only seen this a few rare times, and it probably is in fact trichs, even so, its not like you can harvest it now, lol. Its probably a nice trait, for that strain. I can only imagine what it might look like during flowering, a snow covered bud, with bits of green sticking out of it."

"I looked at mine with my 100x radio shack scope. Some...not all of my baby plants have these same "triches" whether or not triches is the correct term or not is to be decided they are not the "ball on a stem" triches you have on a mature plant they are clealy visable with a 60x scope they are cloudy hemispheres on the surface of the leaf like a water bead....but the color isn't right My veg box is running in the low 90's in the day....I have a dozen plants in their between 1 and 3 weeks.....most of them glisten. Since by definition trichomes form to defend the plant from other things....I wonder if these weren't formed to protect from the heat?"

[weedracer119]

harddon, your sog is looking really good. all i can say to you is that it looks to me like you know what your doing and really research your shit. in my opinion, you deserve these goods grows because of all the effort you put into it. congrats man. and i hope PRINCESS CUMBUCKET is beautiful. one question though, is if she starts to look like something really special, are you going to continue to sog her or keep her growing into another cunt or whore seperately. looking awesome man.

[HARDDON]

MB...

Thanks for following thru on that for me. Interesting indeed. Your guys are right one way or the other :)


Weedracer...I fully intend to pull her out of the SOG and see what I can do with a 60 day veg!

Fuck I am even thinking about topping them also :eek:

Can you believe that? :)

[HARDDON]

DAY 10....

Their veg is almost half over now!

I have moved the lights lower now as they sprung a little bit finally.

Never use these fucking water bottles for this. The leaves are still within the container and to water them I gotta hand lift the leaves over the edge of the containers.

they suck!

Frickin roots everywhere already....that rooting hormone stuff works, I can attest to that :(

Gonna have to repot soon...and I dont drink soda for soda bottles.

Guess I'' dump it down the drain :)


Pic is day 10

[red662]

u just kinda answered a question i was gonna ask, where exactly r u 2 look 4 the thrics? on the leaves is my gues from the posts on this thread, what b the buds d they ro there i mea when judgin when 2 harvest where should u look 2 judge the thrics state?

[HARDDON]

u just kinda answered a question i was gonna ask, where exactly r u 2 look 4 the thrics? on the leaves is my gues from the posts on this thread, what b the buds d they ro there i mea when judgin when 2 harvest where should u look 2 judge the thrics state?


When looking to harvest, you simply look at the trichs that are all over the buds :)

[Marc Benson]

HD,

Grow looks great. Interesting to see the differences in what the plants look like and how some are coming along better than others. And the different colors too.

On the watering a good 'ol turkey baster works good for getting into close areas. I also have a little squirt bottle that works great too.

I would think that they all should really take off here in the next few days. Before you know it you'll have a...sea of green!

[HARDDON]

Great idea on the turkey baster. I have been looking around the house for the fucker since I planted but could never find it :)

Some of these plants are already root binding so I gonna have to sweat it out.

[red662]

When looking to harvest, you simply look at the trichs that are all over the buds :)thnxs harddon i have a 100x micro so just look @ the leaves and the buds? was it not mentioned that thrichs where formin on marcs grow and hes in early veg, so can u look any time 2 see what they look like?on the leaves?

[HARDDON]

Once in flower, you can see the trichs very easily.

Yes, they are on the leaves during flower.

The closer to the hairs, flower pods you get, the more prevelent they become.

[red662]

ok thnxs man

[Mellow Man]

So I noticed Harddon you went with 2 litre bottle's after! and you covered them with foil thats cool,so you think I should cover mine as well? light hurts the roots???........Nice tops man those plants look greenier then romain lettuce! lol...nice!

[lemonboy]

I don't think it hurts them, but any root exposed to light will try to turn into stem. This uses energy and you'd rather the energy be used to veg or flower. Exposing soil to light will probably cause algae to grow too. The green kind is harmless but it sucks up excess oxygen. Cover your bottles :)

[Mellow Man]

Also Harrdon what is your soil mix! and what nutes do you use if any,what are the lights you use,and what lights for flowering?........

[Mellow Man]

I don't think it hurts them, but any root exposed to light will try to turn into stem. This uses energy and you'd rather the energy be used to veg or flower. Exposing soil to light will probably cause algae to grow too. The green kind is harmless but it sucks up excess oxygen. Cover your bottles :)
thanks dude I will!

[HARDDON]

Mellow Man...

No I am still using the 2 pint water bottles I have them sprouted in.

But YES, I will be switching to some two litre bottles here in the next few days as roots are going evrywhere in the bottles now.

Lemon Boy is dead on with the green algae growing at the very bottom.

Next time I will use different containers as these water bottles have ridges on them and transplanting will require more use of razor blades than I prefer. :)

When I was able to stack them right on top of one another, no light was present but now that i need to space them out, light is indeed hitting the bottoms.

But I know better anyhow, I am just lazy stoner.

I think I will spray paint white the next bottle batch :)

Thanks for veiwing :)

[HARDDON]

DAY 11....

Well we are halfway there.

[Marc Benson]

Kick ass HD! Sure is iinteresting the difference in colors. Do they represent different strains? Or different colors within the same strain? Also that one over on the left side front. Really twisted! Deformed? Should put it right in the middle of the bunch and see if the additional light helps. Just a thought. Is it hard for you to think that in 10 days you'll be going to flower? Good job!

[Marc Benson]

Oh yeah...does the one with the trichs on it still look the same? Or has it settled down.

[HARDDON]

Different strains are the foilage colors.

That twisted one is a fucked up plant. Dont really know what to make of her.

She is now ZERO main growth...all you see is secondary growth, I have no idea what happended to her main grow stem.

I have named her RedHeaded Step Bitch. :)

Interestingly enuff, I have moved them around and the ones on the outter edges that get light from the foil sides are growing better than the ones right under the lights.

I'll have to figure that one out as that doesnt make sense....

Yes, it is saddening to know that they go into flower in 10 days to a degree.

But thats a SOG for ya and with my space limits, thats what I want to learn right now.

The one with the trich beads....still everywhere...just no more smell.

It smelled nice and skank like, but for some reason, all the odor is gone.

I took close ups of her yesterday....

Princess CumBucket :)

[Marc Benson]

Outer edges growth spurt...less heat?

Smell. I've got that one plant that just reeked a few days ago. Big time skunk smell. Still smells but not as much. I'm kind of thinking that possibly it's caused by certain phases in their growth. And of course different strains might have different times they get stanky.

Lastly, what camera are you using? Kick ass pics. Need to get a new one. The one I'm using is an Olympus Camedia with only 2.1 mexapixels. Works ok but you just can't get the super close ups like you have here.

[st0n3r]

looking good man, keep it up :)

[9ski9]

Man, they look prehistoric...every leaf appears thicker than anything you'd normally see. Beautiful girls!

[Joel]

Hmm HARDDON, I am extremely impressed by your grow area and the ammount of growth you have got out of those nice ladies of yours in such a shocking time. You are definatly a greenthumb in my books, btw I nigger rigged my setup and I got electricuted like 3 times today trying to set up another light .... what a piss off.
Any ways Im happy that I start my 12/12 on my girls an hour ago, I have a thread running you will see it eventually :).
It looks like your only going to average about 10g's /plant, good luck though ;D, awesome for your first SOG.

[HARDDON]

Joel,

I do appreciate the kind words.

I am curious as to how your prediction of 10 gms a kola was arrived at....

Any ideas as to what I SHOULD average?

As the thread states this is my first SOG....so feel free to chime in and steer me clear of disaster.

But how did you get at the 10g's?

Have you seen what my lights will do to these babies in the next 10 days? :)

They will triple in size....in the next 10 days :)

Anyhow thanks again for the kind words all :)

[HighTillIDie]

harddon not sure if this is helpful, but my second grow ever (young) i grew some bagseed that produced the same deal as cumbucket... all i can remember from that grow, is she took alot of abuse, and was one bushy bitch.

i just read thru this thread today and when i saw the pic of that plant, it almost thru my ass into a flashback... at the time i wasn't even educated enough to know that was a rare plant... it got pulled by the government about 2 weeks left to harvest

[HARDDON]

HightillIDie...

thanks for the input. I think she is special and she has two sisters as well.

I thought they were BBX jack Herrer seeds...

But...

I looked in my BBXJH seed pack the other day and there are 9 there when all I got was 10.

And there are 3 total of that strain and one of them is tard bitch.

I think later today when I take the day 12 pics I will get some close ups of them as well. By the way...every once in a while, when I see you have posted, I occassionaly find myseld sitting here just staring at your avatar.

It takes my mind away :)

Nice...Thanks again :)

[Joel]

Harddon, if what you say is true about your lights and your plants tripling in size, I retract my previous statement about the 10g's. The plants only look so small at this point in time so I thought you were going to flower them already, as you can see it was an accusation. Do you ever feel like you have to switch your plants around? If one is not doing better than the other, switch them and let them have growth spirt turns, or adjust the light so that the plants are getting all the equal ammount of light. I must say your foil is a very well artistique design there lol. Hurray for harddon!
PS : Trickybitch was a NICEEEE plant.

[dingobaby]

Trick Or Treat :p

You say they're gonna be done by halloween? I would love to show up @ your place. LOL

Lookin nice man, keep us posted. I deffinately want to see what the final result is.

[HARDDON]

Harddon, if what you say is true about your lights and your plants tripling in size, I retract my previous statement about the 10g's. The plants only look so small at this point in time so I thought you were going to flower them already, as you can see it was an accusation. Do you ever feel like you have to switch your plants around? If one is not doing better than the other, switch them and let them have growth spirt turns, or adjust the light so that the plants are getting all the equal ammount of light. I must say your foil is a very well artistique design there lol. Hurray for harddon!
PS : Trickybitch was a NICEEEE plant.

Yes what I say about my lights and plants tripling in size is true.

Today they are only 12 days old right now.

Yes I do occassionly rotate the plants but there are no "DARK SPOTS" under my lights, as I am running 360W True FUll spectrum CFLS.

As you may have read, I occassionly raise the lights to 6" about the tops to get them out of the containers. Under these lights they grow so short and compact, I had trouble getting them to grow so the leafs could expand and stretch out...

Another thing I would do differently :) :)

I think the height variances are only due to the extra day or two one plant might have over the other because of the number of hours spent between each seed popping out.

Also, tricky bitch is a nice plant, but its not mine it is emptpockets :)

Thanks for the kind words.

In 10 more days all bu 3 go into flower...I am running out of room as you shall see in prolly 3-4 more days.

[cannabuds]

what no day 12 picz ? lol j/k i wanna see updated pics lol

[latewood]

great job, bro, broke camera, so I can't show any new stuff, but you aare looking good...

[Heads4]

Hard,
What type of lights do you use for flowering.....

Do you stick with the flouro's??

And that one plant you have will be interesting to see what happens with it, as well as the whole project

Good Luck

[HARDDON]

DAY 12 pics...

The explosion in growth begins :)

HINT.....SUCCESS LEAVES CLUES :)

TRUE FULL SECTRUM CFL'S ROCK.

But you won't find them at Wal-Mart or The Home Depot.

Someone asked about my camera....its a Nikkon Coolpix 4200.

[HARDDON]

DOH!

[HARDDON]

Here is a pic of the 3 i gonna pull...I mean place in full veg....

1. Is tard. Now she thinks she cabbage. But even she has the 'trichs' or whatever they are.
2. Princess cumbucket up close.
3. Her larger sister.

All 3 have the same leaf surface 'blisters' or trich heads...without the stalks.

All 3 smell quite nice. The tard has lost her main kola...whereit went i have no idea...it just disadppeared so I now already have about 4 good secondaries exposed at canopy top level.

I cant wait to see these babies grow up a bit :)

[Heads4]

Those look great....

Thick, lush, and ready to bear the fruits of a great harvest...:)

[Heads4]

How long do you plan on vegging those 3 you have picked out??

And again...what do you flower with light wise???

[Joel]

Ah very nice plants, I think was thinking about the harvest of CUNT lol. Indeed, would you be doing samples of these when you are done or you putting away for your smoke come winter?

[HARDDON]

Heads4...

Thanks and I plan on vegging them until I run out of room....last time it was 40 days.

I flower with 250W HPS for red spectrum, 250W MH for UV-B rays and some CFL's on the lower parts to keep the leaves alive down there at the bottom.


Joel;

get a hushmail account and email me.

[Heads4]

Harddon

The HPS/MH combo I've heard great things about...

Not only high bud production but thick bushy healthy plants that yield nicely.

I want to see how those 3 and the SOG react to those :) fun stuff

Have you had great success with the HPS/MH combo??

[HARDDON]

By my definition of great, I would say yes.

But the MH is more for the UV-B rays than anything else.

My sq ft area is 3.75 so my HPS alone would do nicely for the flowers. The MH is an added spike to try and crank up the resin production. But to do it properly I need another HPS 250W to add to the mix so I can get my 2:1 ratio that I really need.

Course I could drop the MH down to 150......hmmmm....

Good Idea.. thanks bunches :)

[jesta510]

"MOsaka....anything that has the Miracle Grow name on it has no business in an MJ grow...period."

Why? I've used mirical grow in all my plants and they are looking really good. I mean, I'm open to sugestion, but I don't think MG is all that bad for a soil medium.

A few things I've learned along the way about germination, The best process I've found is taking a zip lock bag, get two paper towels and wet them, make sure they aren't driping wet, but very wet, fold the two paper towels together in half, put the seeds on one half of the half, and then fold it over again, put it in a zip lock bag that barely fits it and make sure some air is in there as well, Then just hide it for 2 days. For about 3 days after the first seed cracks, you'll have alot of seedlings, wait till you can actually see the leafy part, then plant them with the leafy part sticking out. and the root just below the soil. DON'T TOUCH THE ROOT! You'll have them looking healthy 8 hours after you plant them this way, and you won't have gone to all the extra work of setting up additional pots for seeds that don't sprout.

Did you buy your lights online? Or at a store? I'm strapped for cash right now so my SoG test bed is takin a hit, I have 4 CFLs 2 3500k and two full spectrum, my plants are growing at a rather optimum rate even though the lights aren't great, I'd like to change them out with better lights so how much did those lights run you?

That root growth is pretty intense. Maybe next round you use the same crazy ferts but spray the inside of your pots with 2 coats of copper paint. (Not paint colored like copper, actual copper flec in the paint) This paint will stunt growth of roots when they hit the edges or botom of your container, this may sound like a bad idea, but it'll encourage secondary offshoots so you'll have a much thicker root base without running out of soil space as fast.

Just some thoughts.

[jesta510]

Anyone? I'd really like to know where you guys get your lights and if theres some place that has sweet deals or anything of that sort...

[HARDDON]

DAY 13...

All systems go.

I will probably transplant on day 19.....allow two days for recovery and then place in flower on day 22.

Anyhow here's the updated pics as they stood half an hour ago :)

[cannabuds]

This is the post i have waited for all day the update on the on Hard On's bitches! lol well seems like you got you some over acheivers in the bunch Hard On i took your pic and went to paint to point the ones out of couse you know but want to point out to everyone else and btw the 3 that you are doing full veg where you got them stuck and how do you plan to do flower when the others are ready and the ones on full veg are not unless you have another room im not sure if you had said so im asking thanks for the daily updates look foward to them im moving in a month to new place and when i get there i will be starting a SoG my self and will need your help and guidance in doing so.... and of course when there ready you will be the first one with several fatty's to sample !!! OK SORRY HAD TO EDIT IT MIGHT NEED TO CLICK PIC TO SEE ARROWS LOL!

[HARDDON]

What do those arrows represent?

[cannabuds]

over acheivers ones that seem to be growing faster lol sorry if i confused you lol

[poorman3]

What do those arrows represent?
That means she a horney bitch? LOL, that was some good cunt and whore! Thanks man. I`ve took some pics of a clone or two. They are my freinds LOL. They were attact by little snails or cut worms? Have you ever experienced that? I told them to cut their losses and get them before they all die! We are outdoors I know but, maybe you can advise me quick? thanks man! Still bragging on cunt and whore with oil? LOL, I smoked 1/2 a J before I read the directions for your way of burning. Later man. :eek:

[Joel]

Harddon; Looking better by the day my friend.

What is your hush mail account?
[email protected]

Any ways I am purchasing some BC Hashplant and some Strawberry cough from KindKid1 :D, I cant wait.

[HARDDON]

damn poorman, what ever it is yes, you better harvest while there is something left to smoke.

looks like sumtin eating her roots for sure.

[latewood]

your "CHIT" is looking good mang...what's up? those little ones are looking great! H...

[SigmaGenosys]

Harddon that is INSANE!! you're a smart/lucky man! Those all look so good and some look better than their sisters which happens alot in real life. My favorite looking ones are the in the 2nd row from the right. I wish i was sucessful at growing as you are!
Later
Paul

[Nochowderforyou]

Looking good hard-on. Staying nice and short, good job! :cool:

[HARDDON]

DAY 14....

All systems still go.

I dont drink soda so I now need to buy 25 soda bottles and dump it down the drain.

Lesson 34 learned :)

I also post a pic of DAY 10...

What a difference 4 DAYS MAKES :) :) :)

[HARDDON]

I also wanted to show people why you really need a top reflector but it needs to be a proper type.

Reflectors are designed to reflect light...duh....

But, in doing so, if they are metal, they reflect back heat as well. Too much too often. It prevents you from getting your lights as close as possible to theplant top...even with the fan blowing.

This is because metal reflectors create a 'radiant heat'.

It is a heat ray emitted in the form radiant energy. This energy cannot be 'blown away' with a fan and can barely be cooled with an AC unit on it.

They are plain and simple heat rays that are impervious to most any atmospheric conditions except say cloud, shade cover or moisture.

However, failure to have a reflection unit results in massive loss of light that could and should be reflected on the leaves surfaces of the plant.

In my setup, I have a WHITE board, which difusses the light really well but blocks most of the light above it and reflects it back down. It can do this without the radiant heat issue as the wood will absorb more heat as it is thicker than the metal reflectors and spreads the heat over a wider area.

Metal reflectors will quickly reach their heat absorbant capabilities or limits.

After this level is reached, ALL HEAT IS REFLECTED BACK. NO MORE HEAT CAN BE ABSORBED.

The wood never absorbs so much heat that all heat is reflected.
With a strong exhaust, the air is sucked out from the sides of the reflector while minimizing the light loss.

Pay attention to your grow area. If you are losing light at the top, you are not giving your babies the light they could be using.

I have also found white paper card board to be a good heat absorber but also a highly reflective surface. Whatever you use, use something other than a metal or aluminum reflector.

Just my lowdown on reflectors and the heat issues.

The results peak for themselves, yes? :)

[Marc Benson]

Do you think the coil cfl's generate more light from the side or from the end?

[HARDDON]

Definately from the side.

I think most lights do and I read somewhere, but cannot for the fuck of me remember where, but when I researched light, indeed up to 30% more light is provided in horizontal positions.

That is to say, the light is emitted stronger when the element is in parallel position to the lighting surface.

I just have been lazy and placed those on the end beause I'm a loser and a stoner.

Next grow I hang them and paint my fan white.

I have been a schmuck about those two things.

[cannabuds]

Hard On do you drink lipton ice tea that make a 2 liter bottle so not to waste all that drink! just a suggestion not even sure your talken about 2 liters lol

[HARDDON]

Day 15 update.

[Marc Benson]

Good growth HD! Intersting how light green some of them are. What do you think the brown areas on that front plant is caused by?

[ganjamania]

Looking really like a sea of green now :D

Really like the differences in brightness of the leaves

Less than a week to go now b4 flower - they're gonna be a good size by then :D

[HARDDON]

Good growth HD! Intersting how light green some of them are. What do you think the brown areas on that front plant is caused by?

A lot of my leaves are burned by the pH adjusted water.

THis is normal but normally prevented by having a larger surface area to water the plants.

Becasue I chose the small bottle, the plant literaly was soaked with water until the water was absorbed by the soil.

Now that the plant is growing, the lower veg is raising itself above the container rim and now we are seeing the results of leaves sitting in water for just a tad bit too long.

This is normal and while not preferred, totally expected. These leaves will be amongst the first to die so no biggie as far as I am concerned.

The light colored leaves are from plants that are BlueBerry strains. They smell very pungent.

I need some two liter bottles badly. I am afraid some will be root bound in 48 hours.

If i cant find them for overnight delivery today, I'll go buy them today and start dumping down the drain.

I gotta get them outta those pots by Friday :)

[Marc Benson]

Why couldn't you get a bunch of the 6" plastic pots common to all gardening stores? Not enough room?

[HARDDON]

Correct. I planned on 28, but germed only 25.

None the less, I want to grow these with deep root structure rather than width.

The two litre soda bottles are perfct and they are what I will veg and flower in next time...provided I dont SCROG my next grow.

But I really think this is the way for me to get the most yeild out of my 3.75 sq. space so I'll prolly do another one start to finish with what I learned on this grow.

And, I miscalculated the little bottle I used...I should have raised the soil level higher as had I doe that, the plants would be even more developed than they are now.

The real question is what will the potency be like from 21 -22 day old babies. I have heard it does not affect potency, but havent done it myself.

Anyhow right now they are struggling for root room. I will prolly spend all night tonight transplanting....I dont think I can wait anotehr day. I dont want them going into flower with transplant shock, so the sooner the better.

[Marc Benson]

I was thinking of doing a test with say like a 6-8 inch diameter by 2+ foot piece of pvc pipe. I read where some growers that have been doing it for a long long time said that the tap root is very important not to have hit the bottom of your container and start curling around. The straighter it can be the better the health of the plant. Watering would be the only issue. Getting the soil wet all the way down would be key it would seem. With the proper percentage of perlite though I'm sure it would drain well. Course I suppose that with a SOG you may not need that deep of a container. Maybe just with a regular grow. Be a cool thing for you to try with Cumbucket and her friends!

[HARDDON]

Good Idea!

The watering problem would be very real. However, if I loaded say the bottom three inches with my lava rock, I could sit the plant into a bottom feeder container and water rom the BOTTOM UP, like I did whore and cunt, very sucessfully :)

Yes, a good idea......

Already though all the roots have hit bottom and are now curling in the corners and bottoms of the containers I have now.

I like the PVC pipe idea.

Allow me to study and perhaps I will keep the one or two plants out for this purpose..... :)

I am only going to keep one or two plants........if that.

I committed to the SOG as a study and I really dont have room for two great females to grow and flower. I guess halfway thru flower I will see the results take shape and can plan my next grow then.

But yes, bottom feeding the PVC with the lava rock is indeed a good idea.....I might consider that......

[HARDDON]

Plus I do want to do the next SOG with clones from a mother plant which will result in higher yeild I am sure from the MAIN KOLA.

So perhaps I need to keep two to get one mother plant.... But the question is, how many clones can I take from a mother at one time. If I need 20 per harvest, I suppose I need 4 mothers?

Any ideas on how many mother I would need to get 20 clones?

[Marc Benson]

It would seem like if you lst'd you could get all those secondary growth shoots to really come up and use those for clones. I just went and counted the secondary shoots on the plants I posted pics of and they each have about 15-20 so one plant would take care of your needs it would seem. Probably smoke momma but maybe not.

[HARDDON]

I think I would have to have about 5 mothers to get 25 clones from every 81 days.

Outta the question unless I wanna start a grow setup all over again.

Which I might do, lest I turn into a mad scientist like Latewood has :)

On the two litre bottles, I started transplanting a few already and what was capacity for 28 containers is now reduced to 18 MAX. I have 25 babies so I have 7 plants left to either:

let them grow in what they are.
build new grow room and have them as mothers.
place 18 and flower....pull males and replace with these 7...

Lesson 93 learned :(

I;ll have to figure this one out.

[red662]

I think I would have to have about 5 mothers to get 25 clones from every 81 days.

Outta the question unless I wanna start a grow setup all over again.

Which I might do, lest I turn into a mad scientist like Latewood has :)

On the two litre bottles, I started transplanting a few already and what was capacity for 28 containers is now reduced to 18 MAX. I have 25 babies so I have 7 plants left to either:

let them grow in what they are.
build new grow room and have them as mothers.
place 18 and flower....pull males and replace with these 7...

Lesson 93 learned :(

I;ll have to figure this one out.ur just human,lol, everyone makes mistakes, not as bad as mine eh?

[Nochowderforyou]

I've seen some people take up to 10 clones from one mother plant at a time, with about 70% survival rate. I don't know if that is good as I've never cloned myself, but have seen it done plenty of times. I'd say, min. of 3 mothers to get 20 live clones.

[HARDDON]

Ok I started the dreaded transplant tonight. I started with the plants that showed the most rootbound.


****INTERESTING DISCOVERY****

Each water bottle that I had rolled up in the thermal blanket, had the most extensive root systems and subsequently were much healthier and far better off than those who had simple foil wrapped around them.

TIME AFTER TIME.

I simply couldnt believe it.

Every SINGLE one had dramatically healthier features.

It appears, at least in this grow, that stabilized soil temps play a role in the growth of MJ than I had ever suspected.

I think the foil thermal blankets kept the soil temps consistent. That is no hot or cool periods.

VERY VERY VERY interesting. I even cracked open a few of the plants that are laggers and their root system was fine.....little root binding and less visable.

BUT EVERY SINGLE BLANKETED GROW CONTAINER EXCELLED IN ROOT PRODUCTION AND LEAF PROLIFERATION.

I think this needs to be investigated further. The results were a real eye opener here.

We talk alot about canopy temps but never about soil temps.

That needs to change...I will try this again just to rule out anything else.

I am convinced there is something to this. NO DOUBT AT ALL. :)

Anyhow here is day 16. Its getting crowded and quite frankly I am looking forward to day 21 when I can flower :)

Anyhow I only have room for about 16 of these 2 litre bottles. I will have to elongate the lights and now find my other high powered CFL.

Some plants will be forced to flower in their original containers. Not the best ones those, only the runts.

I MAY or may not keep a couple out of the flower chamber as I could fit them all in there because I run my fan from top.

But none the less I am excited about what I found under those thermal blankets :) :) :)

Amazing indeed. 5 days to go.

[Marc Benson]

Interesting find HD. But why aren't the new transplant containers wrapped in that stuff now?

[HARDDON]

Interesting find HD. But why aren't the new transplant containers wrapped in that stuff now?

Please dont take my lab coat from me.

But after the 4th one I started putting 2 AND 2 together.

By then it was so obvious but I had to keep moving.

Maybe next grow....Bessides that thermal blanket adds a lot of width to the diameter and I am space starved as it is.

[mosaka]

.....amazing grow so far......
....i have no clue on clones :P but my m8 got 8 serviving clones from each mother plant....does that help oyu a lil?...

lmoa, my stavia plant is tall as fuk in 3 weeks....i have to throw it away tho :( its already touching the top of the roof in the loft :( i was on holiday so i had no idea it was growing that fast....is there any thc in the leafs of a non flwered plant?

[HARDDON]

Yes you can smoke a non flowering plant and get buzzed. But..you might need to smoke a whole lot :)

[HARDDON]

DAY 17 UPDATE

I transplanted four more this time.

I could not believe it but the thermal blanketed plants had rooting systems unlike any 16 days old plants should have...and compared to the simple foiled ones.....something has to be said about keeping the soil temps stable.....

I shall delve into this. The plants are taller, wider, more advanced......

I decided I will Keep two mother plants out of the SOG and use her for clones. I am gonna pic Princess Cum Bucket as one of the others and maybe the BlueBerry X strawberry COugh.....

The germ process is cool and fun, but just takes to long.....I figure I can veg clones for 14 days and flower.

Anyhow here is the SOG day 17 as of a few minutes ago.

[Joel]

Awesome harddon, I see for your first SOG it has come along for you. I get excited every time you post new pictures of your plants, they are just so lush green and sexy! I cant wait to see your final product, btw I rezent my last comment on the 10-12 grams comment lol. I do see you are a true greenthumb and Im assuming you're going to get a very good harvest. Awesome man!:D

[HARDDON]

Joel,

Have you seen what my lights will do to these babies in the next 10 days? :)

They will triple in size....in the next 10 days :) :)

Joel, thanks but no need to rezent your comments. You had no idea. :)

IT's the lights folks.

LIGHTS!

Just for shits and grins I had to post this :)

I luv ya Joel, but around here you need to back up your talk lest the crowd gets restless and will dump ya like an ugly stepchild with lepracy and oozing pussing sores :D

Here is the pic we referred to on day 11.....

Its been like 5 or 6 days.....not 10, but we're getting close to triple heh? :D

Thanks again but no regrets my friend :)

Actually 10 g's X 18 plants is 180 g's, or, 6.5 oz's.

Shit I take that every 81 days :)

I could share again :D

[Joel]

Hahaha nice man, If you do decide to share I wouldnt mind sendin ya some cashola for a good blunt ;D. From your previous grows and the SAMPLE RECIEPIENTS thread, they're all raving on your last smoke so I think I would purchase some of this if you gonna share ;D. I will take your advice, thanks again.

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

i got some $$ too lol. also question maybe i cuz i never seen good green growing. but why they leaves look so wide and dif. don't see the 7's goin on? im a noob outside grower (finaly got some pics of my 10 foot bitch lol will post soon) so bare with me. lol

STC

[Joel]

Sixfeetdeep ; For an SOG you would not be getting very many 7's , most of your leafs would be a 3 or 5. BTW ; harddons first SOG so keep with him.

[HARDDON]

DAY 18.

I juist finished prepping the flower room for these bithes.

As for the 5,7,9 fingers...those are primarily gentetic expressions which are strain derived. These are only 18 days.

Already, the roots have hit bottom on some of the new containers 2 days after transplant. Already.

No signs of stress and all grew over the last 48 hours.

If you transplant the way I showed you, you can continue growth unabated. There is no 'recovery period' required. Roots growing thru 5 inches of medium in 2 days of transplant should evidence as much :)

Anyhow, I now have veg and flower chamber running so while i think about if I wanna grow a mother plant, I can keep on veggin for the last 3 days.

We shall see.

Day 18 pics :)

MONDAY WE SEX :)

[skunk456]

damn hard those babes look awsome for 18 days man.Cant wait to see those babys harvest

[jesta510]

Hey hardon, the plant in the front row, second from the left looks a little brown, what causes that? And is there an easy fix? How often should one be watering and/or fertalizing?

[Marc Benson]

HEY HD!! I notice you have giant holes on the back and side wall with no reflective materials on them robbing your plants of life giving light. I'm disappointed. Please send lab coat to.........

[9ski9]

MONDAY WE SEX :)

How?

[HARDDON]

MB....

No lab coat for you yet :) That is my fan and yes it should be white which as soon as i can buy another one, i will paint them white.


No holes in my shit. Wouldn't be able to grow if there were :)

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Jetsa...

The brown on that plant was from its entire life being in a little water bottle that got soaked to the top everytime I watered it. Leaves dont like pH down acid on their leaves :) Its all fine, just no so pretty. Plus, since I am sogging only ONE kola pops up anyhow so no loss there.

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SKUNK....thank you for the kind words.

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9ski9....

We go to 12/12 on Monday.....thats what i meant :)

[Marc Benson]

"No holes in my shit"

So these have reflective materials on them? Looks like it's been ripped off.

[HARDDON]

LOL MB.....

Looks like hell broke loose huh??? :)

I'll have to fix those :)

DAY 19 UPDATE:

I moved all but 3 so far to their new homes in the 2 litre bottles. I ran out of them so tomorrow I'll have to finish the others off. I will be keeping these three out of the SOG cuz I wanna get a good mother and the blueberry's give me a nice indica/sativa mix...

I have also moved them down below into the MH and HPS room. No more CFL for these. Time to get them acclimated to the new light for a few days.

Fucking sliced my finger to the bone installing new exhaust for that chamber.

Anyhow, here they are and here they will stay until the are harvested...

ANyhow, that pretty much concludes the SOG vegg stage. They will grow more in the next 2 days but not as much as the Kelvin has dropped considerably with the different lights.

Hopefully I can get a bit of stretching going...

It kinda seems a shame to force these into flower....i mean they are just babies and dont even show a single alternating stem.......

Well lets see if it works :)

75% females possible you think?

They have lived stress free for the most part. Some struggled getting out of those stupid assed water bottles used in the beginning.

NEVER use water bottles for anything other than drinking from and pissing into when you're in the garage and dont wanna run inside :D

[Marc Benson]

I was just messin' with ya HD.

Plants look good but I hear ya on throwing them into flower. All you hear is "You have to wait till alternating nodes before you flower!!" But we've seen too many sog grows that turn out awesome to question that it'll work great. I can't imagine that your's won't turn out that way too. Can't wait to see what the percentage will be of females. Good job. Sorry to hear of your war wound. I think they have a song that goes along with that. "Slice your finger to the bone and what do ya get? Boney fingers! Boney fingers!"...or somethin like that.

[AngryJohnny]

OUCH!

the next 2 days is going to be good under both bulbs! 18 hrs?

whats the watts on those bulbs?

is this room being sucked into same scruber?

same sixe area as cfls?
like to see pic of this from the outside,

looks like a promising way to grow, and even better with clones.
looks great!!

[HARDDON]

Angry One...

Yes under these bulbs....18 hours... 250W MH & 250W HPS.

I have placed a metal "T" and the same VORTEX fan sucks from both upper and lower chambers....both chambers have 2 4" passive inlets.

Exact same 3.75 sq. as the top chamber...only 4" taller.

I gonna keep 2 plants as moms and SOG with clones from now on. Just dont have the space.......

2moro i'll post a pic of both upper and lower chambers.

[latewood]

nice going there H...I look at those beautiful BB and I think to myself; I might have to change my plans...It is a shame that you have no more space available to ya...
by the way did you notice my request?..Just replanter 3 bbxjh and 3 misty blueand i wanted to follow your lead, because I usually grow hydro and these new ones are in the cactus mix...so I want to know exactly how you started them...I realize that you already posted this, but I couldn't find it fast enough for my alter-ego...he said "fuckit"
after rooting around in all your recent posts...lmao...help me out would you, I need a few minutes of your time...rsvp

[HARDDON]

Sure LW...

perhaps we can hook up in chat tmorow night about 11:00 PM EST

[luckydan]

looking good harddon...should turn out good..

[HARDDON]

DAY 20 UPDATE :)

18 have been picked. They will start 12/12 tomorrow evening :)

Thanks for all your viewing...I wont be posting daily updates any longer as I have vegged them as best as I can.

All systems are a go.

Say good bye to the kiddies becuase when you see them again, they shall be young ladies and whores and cunts....just the way we like them :)

[9ski9]

Congrats on a smooth veg, HD. Looking forward to their return.

[AngryJohnny]

count 19

you will inspire soo many people with this! they look great!

no adjustin height in there, think they will get too close to lights?

12/12 both bulbs or just HPS?

[HARDDON]

Yea I counted 19 too. That cant be right.

Guess I better count again huh?

As for height adjustment angry one, I can simply move the bulbs into a horizontal position and easily gain a foot :)

Besides, I am curious to see if they double in height like mature plants do.

Either way, we'll find out first hand what flowering babies does to plants huh?

Yea I'll flower with both bulbs. I believe it helps bud size among other things.

[HARDDON]

No that one in the Sprite bottle, row 4 is one....it looks like two cuz she's growing secondaries above the canopy now.

So, 18 it is :)

[Marc Benson]

HD here's that second pic you posted last tweeked in PS. Just thought people would like to see it a little better so they could see the size of the area.

[latewood]

missed ya, didn't get to read your reply until middle of night, maybe tonight 11pm

[HARDDON]

HD here's that second pic you posted last tweeked in PS. Just thought people would like to see it a little better so they could see the size of the area.


Thanks MB....

I included the same pic that can be enlarged....

This space is only 24" wide X 18" deep. It is 34" tall.

For those space limitations, a SOG or one plant is the only real option.

[HARDDON]

Here is a pic of the top chamber for vegging / clones.

It is the same 24" Wide X 18" deep and 30" tall.


the i include a pic of both chambers as best as i can.... my back is against a huge workshop bench that is non movable.

Both chambers have dual 4" passive intakes, and a 6" exhaust driven by one VORTEX 6" exhaust fan. The exhaust has been 'T' formed together so the one fan extracts heat from both chambers.

It is strong enuff to pull from both chambers very nicely.

Incidently,,,,,,today I had to place the exhaust back into the carbon scrubber on day 21 as the smell was too overwhelming.

So for 20 days it was bearable but now that they are 21, its time for odor control.

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

DAMN HARDDON you go to weed college or somthing lol.i know if i got questions im asking you and Zandor. Great information. seem to be geting lot of help reading your updates and post. you planing on sampling out these beuties?

STC

[AngryJohnny]

passive air? garage air coming in or AC as fresh air?

what temps?


HPS n MH make em stink!

[HARDDON]

6feet;

Thanks for the kind words and I may indeed sample out some....

Thing is I have a lot of good strains in here and only 3 of each kind....I hope to yelikd a half ounce on some and a quarter on some others.

Plus I still have to see how many turn female so right now I have no idea of what I will have to work with.

Next time I SOG with clones....hopefully one of the two blueberries I pulled out for further veg will be a mother....hopefully both of them too.

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Angry one....

It is fresh air coming in from the garage. I have massive fan action going in the garage and right now the temps are about 82 F.

Their night drops to mid 70's.

If it gets above 83 F I open the house door and A/C the garage to bring down the temps.

I suspect the average flowering temps in the next few weeks to be 75F / 70F...... 24/7

Fall is a wonderful time for flowering outside :)

[Krippysmoker]

Hard hope ya got the pics I sent...hope it wasnt to the wrong email!! Let me know sweetie

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

That sample thing is such an awsome idea i think. wish ppl would consider my post lol. anyways i was wondering what a good set up would be or look like for an appartment closet space? and what i would be looking at spending. you seem to know what you are doin man. so i trust what you got to say. also what strain are u using. and whats the cost of geting ahold of some? thx

STC

[latewood]

Say bro, .what's up?...

[cannabuds]

whats this day 22? looking foward to update

[HARDDON]

Cannabuds....

Today is their 3rd day in flower. They just went to sleep after their 2nd cycle of 12/12.

I wont be posting updates daily any longer as I will switch to weekly updates during flower. I can already assure you though that even 20 day old plants will double or triple in height :)

This evening when they wake up, I am going to have to raise the lights already as they have all grown maybe 4 inches in the last 2 days.

Also, as they mature, Many are now having their secondaries show alternating stems already. Very interesting.

I miss posting daily updates but, really, there is not much to see other than taller versions of what I have shown for 20 days straight. I do have one that is already exposed abot 5 secondaries above the canopy.

A shame to flower so young...she could have given me 10 - 11 ounces had I the space.

Anyhow day 23 of life

....day 3 in flower.

Shhhhhhh......the little whores and future cunts are sleeping :)

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

AWSOME. looking forward to the weekly flowering updates. anyway you can take some close ups?? thx

STC

[cannabuds]

Nice well ill just have to look foward to the weekly updates now thats cool you got a good point keep up the good work!:)

[HARDDON]

To those following this SOG, I had intended to not post anything but weekly updates. Upon reflection, that probably isn't justice to the spirit of learning...and teaching....that we have here.

I realized tonight whilst I was looking at them, that really they are in another stage, of most importance to the SOG as I am learning.

That being said, there are a few items if interest in the SOG that might be beneficial to some, or, I could get advice from someone who has SOG'd before.

So, I will post occasional updates more frequently than I planned so as to show the veg to flower stage.

Here we are on day 3 of flower.....

Observations:

Plant height has taken off across the board. There are two runts. One of them was stressed when I made her hole to small and I shoved her down anyhow like a LateWood mad scientist might in my tiring of transplanting :)

So a benchmark here on day 3.....photo shows I have 18" left till I hit top. I have to consider light height and such....I figure I can get the lights 4" from the top...that leaves me 14".

Next the height from the bulbs....With good fans I can get them within 6"....

So that leaves me 8" of height in a 34" ceiling clearance. :eek:

The plants have grown a solid 3.5 - 4" in 3 days......:eek:

So already those planning a SOG...don;t veg more than 21 days. I think I will have enuff room....but for you contemplating a SOG becasue of height....pay attention to how much and how fast these grow.

[HARDDON]

Next subject would be the follow up on the stressless transplanting.

Here are pics showing complete acceptance of the transplant. This happened within 48 - 72 hours of transplanting. They were given a solid 6 inches of new depth to grow thru.

They did it without blinking an eye in days :)

[HARDDON]

And finally, a thing to think about...

Taking care of 18 fast growing plants is a lot more time consuming than taking care of 2 or 3.

You still need to intimately observe each plant in detail...in study and look at every single plant, every single leaf, node and stem.

It's important to not let the number to be cared for overwhelm you.

I check each plant 2 -3 times a day...carefully studying and catalouging everything. Only because I want to learn....if nothing else.

I am not interested in just growing smoke at all. I really wanna be a master in the art :)

Anyhow, during my thorough examinations, I came across this little fucker and handled business before it got outta control :)

In a matter of days this could have been devastating in a tight indoor grow like a SOG :)

[Heads4]

Harddon
You said you could keep the lights at 6 inches away from plants...

Are you doing this now??

Just wondering...the closer the light is at all times will lessen the stretching

Later

[HARDDON]

If you look at the pic on the left, you will see the tape measure...right now I am at 6"....on the nose.....

Besides I believe this is flower stretch, not just growth stretch....

In theory I want them to stretch as they should during flower...I just want a simple SOG without the height problems for once... LOL... :)

A couple of these are gonna produce more than just one main kola bud.....many have exposed canopy secondaries now as they too have shot up in size.

[Marc Benson]

"Anyhow, during my thorough examinations, I came across this little fucker and handled business before it got outta control"

Those are thrips. I had 'em too HD. I used Concern and it worked perfectly. It's an insecticidal soap. The experts on such things that I spoke with suggested that these little pieces of crap (what I call them) are tough to get rid of as they get in the dirt and that's where they propagate. Turn into flying biting little monsters. They suggested at least 4 applications to make sure that you get them all.

[AngryJohnny]

any room to open up below bottom chamber?

hollow under floor? extra room?

[HARDDON]

Good evening...

FLOWER DAY 6

I have my first confirmed female :)

All plants are getting ready to show me their gentalia. It a few more days I shall know the outcome of the female to male % which I hope to have a 75% as a result of stress free living :)

I got a really cool pic where you can actually see the shadow the hairs cast on the stem :)

[HARDDON]

GOod evening...again :)

3 days ago I posted PIC 1 which shows the ruler at about 19" - 18" of space left, minus the 6 inches I need for this to work....

Today I post PIC 2 which shows where I am at now...17" less 6 inches for lights....11" left is all I have.

I should have flowered at day 14 instead of 21...LOL :)

[HARDDON]

It sure is cool sitting here smoking my own grow, chilling to Marley, wasting my life :)

Here are a couple of pics....

One shows how close I have the MH to the canopy to try and slow down the fricking growth..... I have it almost as close as the CFL's in veg....

I think its within 2 inches of the top. The light is doing great at penetrating becasue I have a remarable amount of secondary growth to my surprise.

But soon the light will have to be moved horizontal and then only the canopy will be the light and the lowers I expect will begin to yellow quickly in the next week.

In fact, I predict in 2 weeks I will have little more than stems and a main kola and maybe a few high fans.

Gonna look pretty ugly :)

[cannabuds]

Congrats Hard On on your Little bitch glad to here there starting to "come out the closet" and show there sex lol well hope you do get the 75% that would just be awesome and it is really amazing how they have grown since you started flowering! well have a good one smoke one for me as im dry at the moment and on a search for so good bud wish me luck in my search ill need it were i am lol oh well looks great C ya

[Marc Benson]

HD! What'd ya do about your thrips? You said you 'handled business before it got out of control' but never said what you did. Inquiring minds want to know!

[HARDDON]

Soap and water soap and water soap and water.

3X now.

And actually a few crossed over to another plant next to it.

Its a daily check thing now but I think I got em all.

Can't wait for the cooler weather so these fuckers leave me alone.

[Marc Benson]

I've applied the Concern (insecticidal soap) twice now. Thought they were toast the first time but saw a few running around so hammered 'em again. I hate them little pieces of crap. In fact I think we should officially change their names to "Pieces of Crap".

Glad you got 'em taken care of HD!

[HARDDON]

DAY 7...

Lost yet another inch.

They have now doubled in size. Bulbs had to go horizontal tonight.

Lesson #432...18 plants smell far better than 2 or 3! The aroma is so much more intense :)

[HARDDON]

DAY 8

Lost yet another inch.

I identified four males tonight and two females.

That makes it:

FEMALES: 3
MALES : 4

They are all within days now of showing.

FUck it seems like it takes forever during this part. I hate this shit.

I should have cloned WHORE when I could have.

Clones....thats the only way to go I am learning.

[cannabuds]

congrats on the new found bitches so whats that leave 14? 3 verified female and 11 unverifed?

[HARDDON]

Well remember I pulled 3 out of the SOG to focus on something new snce they were slow growers.

so lets see....

18......less 4 males.......less 3 females...

that leaves me 11. If 50% are female I have 9 plants.

9 fucking plants with one bud.

This is quickly deteriorating into a disssappointing lesson but a valuable oen at that.

I will now begin preaching clones.

Why go thru all this shit for 50% males?

Doesnt add up.

I need a whore mother... :)

[cannabuds]

Yes i do belive your right would make this process a WHOLE lot easier and would not take as long either! looks like you should make a couple bitches mothers how the three headed princess?

[cannabuds]

hold up i was doing the math im my head you had 25 to start right>? then 21 sprouted right then took out 3 found 4 males and 3 females so far so 21-3-3-4 = 11 what am i mising here? where you get 9?

[AngryJohnny]

11 is correct. 50% gives 9 ladies.

50% of mine were dirty old men.


clone clone clone. next go round.

sooo many lessons to learn, soo much time!!!!

[HARDDON]

DAY 9...

Boy do I ever regret the moment I had this fucking SOG grow idea.

Surely another one of those famous stoner moments.

Got another female today so the count is 4 to 4.

ONe good part of finding a male is i get more room for the lower plants...even though that wasnt the purpose of the grow...

But shit I remember Whore and Cunt at 28 days were two nice plants....an here now...i got these fucking stems with leaves on em.

13" tall main stems with leaves on top.

Whoop-dee-frickinn-doo-dooo :)

I am embarrassed even to show them :(

Never SOG without clones...it aint worth the powder to blow the grow to hell.

ANyhow, I also got poison oak.

No not the smoke kind...but the real kind. Fucking shit doesnt stop itching unless I douse it with hair spray and blow it dry with hair dryer.

Lets see...what the fuck else is bothering me now cuz my fucking grow fucking sucks :(

Anyhow I still got the 3 headed bitch...even though she grows at the same rate a saguaro cactus does.

Well thats it for todays update.

Dont be shocked if my next update is that of a whole heap pile of stems and leaves laying up in the hills in the pine trees.

Thanks for viewing and have a nice day :)

[cannabuds]

Well you must either be out on xanax or that damn poison oak has realy got you upset lol man i what i would give to have what you got going on there and i personaly think it looks great and you knew from the begining that it was just gonna be a few buds on each one its just been a bad day for ya it will get better Hard On DR CANNABUDS says take two xanax and a bong or two of cunt and whore and post us in the morning! :) cheer up buddy remeber those stems with leave will be stems with buds not to long from now!

[Garden Knowm]

hard on, you need an Aviator

[AngryJohnny]

just remeber that this is for education..

if anything, its for the young growers in everyone,

do it for the kids!

:)

was cunt n whore in the whole chamber? the whole 64 inches?

[HARDDON]

just remeber that this is for education..

if anything, its for the young growers in everyone,

do it for the kids!

:)

was cunt n whore in the whole chamber? the whole 64 inches?


The whole thing. At the end, Cunt was an inch from the MH bulb.

[HARDDON]

3 more females were revealed today..... :) :) : )

Thats now:

FEMALES: 7
MALES: 4

I 'think' have only 2 more males from the bunch. I getting pretty good at pickin them out before the pistels expose themselves.

I dont remember what day this is and I am too lazy to search :)

The 7 on the right are females, excluding the runted one.

The 7 on the left are still unknown.

[cannabuds]

Looking good man i congrate on the girls hope you have more bitches to come

[mosaka]

what u gonna turn ur final product into? hashish?

[HARDDON]

Hell I dont know mosaka....we'll see how this turns out.

I have another 2 females and one previous female I think is a hermie. I will know for sure tomoro maybe.

I am taking two of the shortest ones out...this will allow more light to the bottom of the rest of them. They are still growing and before this is over, I will have to bend these things sideways.

The growth is still an inch a day and I am running out of inches. I still say dont SOG without clones :)

Ever.

But lets see what happens...I'll be growing this shit sideways before it is over :eek:

[Rezinator]

For those of you needing a visual dramatization...

[HARDDON]

LOL....

I am out of room tonight :)

I have no where else to go.

I have now a total of 10 females, with 4 still hiding from me. There must be some light leaking....its day 12 of flower.

So as of now its:

FEMALES 10
MALES 4

A good ratio...so far...

But WTF......am I gonna do with them all?

I think I gonna throw some outside and let them fend for themselves and keep the 3 most promising.

I am gonna end this thread now. A SOG must be done with clones !

I have learned. Thanks all for viewing and sharing but this SOG is over. I flowered on day 21 and the plants now tower 2 feet 12 days into flower. Truble is I cant really do anything at all with them now that they are in flower. I mean its not as though I can focus light on secondaries to generate anything real at this point, so be it.

THE END...

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

yum hope your goin to let ppl tast them beuties. they looked yummy lol. let me know

SFD

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

wait so waht is it they an't goin to make it. can';t you make a flowering bigger flowering station? or do a rubber maid set up with 2 rubbermaids (one staked on top of the other for more room) and set thelights as must..

Six FeetD eep

[Marc Benson]

"Thanks all for viewing and sharing but this SOG is over."

Cool. Now cut some clones and do it with them. You have the females. You can cut clones when in flower. If you don't believe that I can come up with an article showing just how to do it. Just cut off the flower portion and root 'em and put them back in veg for a couple weeks and then back into flower. You'll have just exactly what those photos I've been teasing you with looks like.

An old indian chief once told me in one of my prior lives, "Endeavor to persevere." I've lived by that even in this life.

Have a good one!

Jose Wales

[HARDDON]

Thanks for the kind thoughts guys.

I have started a new thread to take over this one. MB...I might do that...but I am into my SOG again.

Since I bended them over, I am stunned at the new bud growth that is now filling the canopy just as I has envisioned before I started it. It is now coming into focus. The main kolas are now bent same height as the new secondary growth and they are all starting some good flowering tops :)

I have I think 10 left in there and it is gonna be same result just different avenues.

I'll post some pics when I arent so high.

:)