DickJustice the scammer

[Edgar]

Alright, I already made a little post about this here: http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=290198#post290198 but seeing as how that post was never responded to by the mods, (Or anyone else for that matter.) I guess I'll just give the heads up now. Dick justice Scammed me on a deal. first he said he couldn't get the product, then he said he'd pay me back after he said couldn't get it... Well needless to say, that never happened, otherwise i wouldn't be posting this. He owes me and he's owed me for quite some time now. (Many months.) Here is an example of one of his dodges from an email "conversation" we had.


Me: When did you send the money order? I still havn't got it.

Justice: Oh yeah I forgot to mail you, it came back to me like two days ago
for something about postage, it had a sticker on it and stuff but
the money order's there.

Well there it is. Fair warning; dont try and purchase anything from Dick Justice.

[Hydrizzle]

damn.... seems like alot of this. you people who buy online need to make really sure that ur getting a deal, like sending only a portion of the money first, or demanding that product be sent first( half of it at least), so this doesnt happen.

[Gothen]

Well, let's wait for what Dick Justice says. You've made previous topics about Dick Justice before, and he's replied to them. So, I'm just going to reserve any kind of judgement until Dick chimes in.

But, I'm not saying you're lying, either. If it's true, it's best to let other board members know, but if its not, I think its best to let it be known that he isn't a scammer.

Either way....

[unmeg]

Scammers suck,so grow your own.

[BlueCat]

Damn Edgar, that sucks.....I hope it is just a misunderstanding, Dick Justice sure can make me laugh....I hope you guys work it out.

[treeclimber00]

just use bc bud, hes reliable as hell.

[BlueCat]

just use bc bud, hes reliable as hell.

I second that.

[UniqueShadow08]

well im not sayin whose lying or not because I dont know but whoever it is deserves to get there asses kicked cause money makes the world go round..... and honestly if he woulda stole even 10 bux from me i woulda shot his ass.

[del...]

no sales talk here! take it private...!

[FunkyMonkey]

BC thats a good idea to make a list of scam buyers. Itll help you all avoid proven scammers and that in turn keeps your costs down which keeps the bud cost down which makes everyone but the scammers happy. And fuck the scammers trying to get something for nothing from someone who earned their shit.
Anything to keep dishonest folks from taking advantage of honest folk is a great idea in my book.
You would just need mod endorsement to keep it locked because a thread like that would be a magnet for the scammers to argue and complain if it was open for all to post in.

[The Piper]

yeah that does suck man hope it works out

[Hardbud]

Why is dick justice scamming people?

[Lily420]

He hasent been on for awhile...scammer or no scammer i miss him :(

[robert42]

who remmebers last yr when ppl said he scammed them, then he vanished then too then re-surfaced like nothing happened i think that was over acid tho or X

[robert42]

but i do find it hard he would scam ppl, he seemed a genuwine nice guy im sure its a misunderstanding.

i dunno ijust hope so.

[spinner]

BC thats a good idea to make a list of scam buyers. Itll help you all avoid proven scammers and that in turn keeps your costs down which keeps the bud cost down which makes everyone but the scammers happy. And fuck the scammers trying to get something for nothing from someone who earned their shit.
Anything to keep dishonest folks from taking advantage of honest folk is a great idea in my book.
You would just need mod endorsement to keep it locked because a thread like that would be a magnet for the scammers to argue and complain if it was open for all to post in.
I agree, we should have a list but, the "innocent before proven guilty" need to apply so it couldn't be locked, if its open then the accused scammer can say their peace. We should be able to tell if their full of shit or not.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Yeah, that shocked me, i've been reading his posts for ages and he seemed like a decent guy, should have known better lol, ahh well

[FunkyMonkey]

spinner: thats what all these threads do. They out the scammer/potential scammer and then the evidence is given, the scammer responds and the truth gets revealed. We as the community judge.

A list could act as a deterrant since ppl are immediately held accountable by the community. It could also list recommended ppl as well as scammers. Im not saying endorsed by mods but rather just relayed by them.
Like mr x recommends mr y for the following reason...
mr z recommends avoiding mr t for the following reason...

and if it was open for anyone to reply then all it would be is people whining,complaining, and bullshit. There needs to be a place where nobody can write anything after the posts are made. There is already enough places for that.

There are lots of details to iron out so im gonna put some more thought into this and make any further comments in the appropriate forum.

[poorman3]

go here to find dick justice...spoiledbrats.com http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=14334

[kobeite]

You suck Dick Justice! I despise scammers! Thanks for sharing this info Edgar.

[del...]

he was just here this morning...

Dick Justice
Registered
Last Activity: Aug-05-2005 08:33


you can check this too by visiting his profile page here and look on the right side for "recent activity"

[Nochowderforyou]

I tried posting a reply on some scammers that got me and all I got was a threat to ban me from these boards. I say if we got scammed, we should expose that scammers name(s), e-mail, address, everything! So he/she doesn't do it again.

[spinner]

Ok Scammer list person, I want FunkyMonkey on the scammers list. I don't have any reason other than a dislike for monkies but I'm going to tell ScamList person that you ripped me off. Your name is tarnished for no reason and you can't reply.

[FunkyMonkey]

SPINNER: Are you having some difficulty understanding this? Let me break it down into simpler terms for you smartass:

CURRENT SCENERIO
1. person 'a' has a bad deal with person 'b'
2. person a comes onto boards to complain and warn
3. community reads post
4. situation is discussed with person 'b' having opportunity to reply
5. community attacks person 'b' verbally and public shaming begins
6. over time thread is buried
7. person 'c' comes along and uneducated, enters into deal with person 'b'
8. return to #1 of perpetual cycle ( that means its endless dummy)

PROPOSED SCENEREO

#1.- 6. SAME AS ABOVE
7. repeat or obvious scammers are posted to a permanant locked thread
8. person 'c' comes along looking for meds
9. person 'c' reads scam thread
10. person 'c' is educated and less likely to get scammed

works for buyers and sellers
no mods need to 'judge' others disputes, the community does that already
we just need a mod to administer the locked thread

So, smartass do you think you understand now? In the future try reading the post you are replying to first to make sure you dont look like a simpleton.
Have a nice day :)

[del...]

forget it...it'll never happen here. all it would do is set up more sales chatter. we already have 2 sites for scammers. what's wrong with using them?

[FunkyMonkey]

Set up more sales chatter? I dont understand how Del. We are already seeing several scam threads going. It would reduce half of that clutter if ppl knew who to avoid in the first place.
But, youre the mod not me ;)
There is nothing wrong with using the current scam sites ( however messy they are) but perhaps a sticky to let ppl know where they are would be good for new ppl to the community.
Just a suggestion trying to help ppl not lose their med money. Not everyone can just try another provider if they lose their coin. Some painfully go without while the scammer spends their cash on a few cd's. Scammers infuriate my sense of fairness.
I may not have the perfect solution but the current situation could use some revamping.

Dont worry Ill take any more suggestions to the right forum though. ;)

peace

[Cheery Cherry]

Oh wow, that is shocking. I thought he was a pretty cool guy...

[del...]

it would also make it appear like we are condoning the sales by posting who not to contact, then it would also be followed by more of the testimonials we now have plenty enough to pull daily already.

[FunkyMonkey]

Yes, I agree it would 'look' like you are condoning the sales but no more so than the want ad section and wouldnt really be an endorsement of ppl not listed. I understand though that some loopholes are not worth the trouble to jump through.
You are in a better position than I to determine whats an appropriate move to benefit ppl and still maintain the site according to rules set forth by your host.
But what about a sticky in the ad section then to point ppl to the scam lists already used?

[Beeblebrox.420]

I tried posting a reply on some scammers that got me and all I got was a threat to ban me from these boards. I say if we got scammed, we should expose that scammers name(s), e-mail, address, everything! So he/she doesn't do it again. I have no issue with posting about scammers, providing relatively freely-available information like usernames, web URLs and email addresses. However, when you begin posting things like real names, addresses, telephone numbers and bank information, you have crossed the line and I will not allow it. One of the major issues I have with that sort of thing is the very distinct possibility of a miscommunication leading to the publication of personal information of someone who is NOT a scammer, with the result that someone might use the information given to find the person and cause serious harm to him or her. All for nothing. Then there is the legal aspect. Although there is a certain level of protection afforded to website operators against lawsuits filed in response to material posted by third parties, there is nothing protecting you from such litigation since you are directly responsible for you own posts. Were I to allow you to post personal information for scammers, however well justified, you could be subject to litigation, and I don't want to see that happen, either. So, this policy is as much to protect the innocent against misunderstandings and other foibles associated with online commerce as to protect you folks.

[looseends]

DAMN!!!! that sucks!!!

[del...]

and the want ad room has this in the header:
Ads seeking cannabis; for medicinal purposes. For Sale Ads NOT permitted.


big diff with over 20% of the dis-united states having legalized med use...

[spinner]

Wasn't trying to be a smartass, just making a point in a vulgar way. Friends :D

[Beeblebrox.420]

DAMN!!!! that sucks!!! What does?

[Omni05]

so dick justice has done this before you said? Scammed some people, left for a while and came back when the heat was turned down?

combine that with everybody thinking he is such an outstanding citizen, and you have a very profitable scam set up.

im not saying he did it or not (how could i, im not either one of the people) just looking at the facts :cool:

[FunkyMonkey]

Spinner, its the same thing in my books but no worries , no hard feelings. My apologies for my harshness. It wasnt very becomming of me. I need more patience these days.
peace

[Frequency]

I say sleep on it on it you get better day. better air-breath. have a sleep on it pal.

[FunkyMonkey]

yes sleep

[GHoSToKeR]

I say sleep on it on it you get better day. better air-breath. have a sleep on it pal.
**foams at the mouth**

Wibble.

[ADaisyChain]

Dick, if you read this, gimme your aim or something, I'vveee misssseeedddd yoooouuuu. My email is encatuse (@) hotmail (.) com


so dick justice has done this before you said? Scammed some people, left for a while and came back when the heat was turned down?

combine that with everybody thinking he is such an outstanding citizen, and you have a very profitable scam set up.

im not saying he did it or not (how could i, im not either one of the people) just looking at the facts :cool:

No, he's been ACCUSED of scamming before. Disappeared for a couple weeks, and then came back and worked everything out.

A very profitable scam set up? Perhaps, but Dick Justice is not a full time scammer. He's tried to hook a few people up with acid, but to my knowledge, edgar is only the second guy who's had a problem with him over the course of his existance here.

Don't say "I only know 1/4th of the facts, but here's my opinion from a factual perspective!" because that doesn't really make any sense.

Dick is not a dealer. He needs to stop trying, clearly, because he sucks at it. Dick was trying to hook some people up with acid, and failed. In one instance he returned the money or got the person some product, because "everything was worked out" they both agreed as I recall. The only other instance of this with him that I know of has been with edgar. Hardly seems like some elaborate scamming routine. As any elaborate scamming routine would probably want to try and pull off more then 2 scams a year, 1 being 'unsuccessful'. ((aka, everything was "worked out"))

Odds are he just spent your money without thinking, figuring he could get the product in a couple days or something, ended up not being able to get the product, and then had no money to return or something. Now he's just embarassed to say "Listen man, I'll be broke for another month and I'm sorry as shit. I made a big mistake, but I'll get you your money." I highly doubt he just said "-snatch- That money's mine bee-yatch!"

Why would he keep talking to you if he was scamming you is my big question. Im not ruling out that he is ((personally I don't care, I'm madly in love with dick justice whether he's a scammer or not)) but it's not logical the way he's going about it if he is, especially since he's not doing business with anyone else by the sounds of it. If I was going to scam you and I wasn't currently trying to get any additional customers from the website you're at ((as he's not)) I would stop talking to you the second I got your cash. Send me some money, I'll show you how it works.

Dick, listen... your scamming skills are getting worse and worse buddy, it's almost starting to seem like you aren't a scammer at all, but rather just a broke youngin who doesn't have the guts to say when he can't pay someone back immediately! When you need some pointers, noobie's prolly a good guy to go to. I think he made some nice money off this board. I could also give a few good pointers I imagine, since despite the fact that I'm not a scammer, I can analyze yo' gameplay pretty well.

I'm not defending dick, I'm just saying, "Think Like A Scammer." But just long enough to assess if you're being scammed, or if you're just trying to get drugs from a 19 year old who eats too many.

Dick, send the man his money, or whatever it is you use for money ((leaves, pinecones, you scammers have a fairly unadvanced economy I've heard)) because your reputation is simply being uglified! Hope you respond. Winks and giggles, Encatuse.

[Frequency]

are you dick Justice?

[Beeblebrox.420]

are you dick Justice? No, there is no similarity of IP addresses.

[ADaisyChain]

are you dick Justice?

Damn! You caught me!

Kidding.

Im Encatuse, not Dick Justice. Dick Justice and I are old lovers.

"AMT
You say em-tee?" - My Dearest Dick Justice's last words directed at me that I remember currently.

-swwooooonnsss-

I'm sure Dick and I have been online simotaneously hundreds of times.

I've enjoyed Dick Justice for too long to think him a scammer. I'll think him a scammer when he stops talking to edgar. I think he's a procrastinator, I think he's being a bit shady, I think he's a big dork, oh I think all sorts of nasties about Dick, but I don't think he's a scammer. I've been wrong before though ((just once)).

[koshea]

its funny that that one guy was banned for scamming this kid supposidly 100 bucks for aregano, but dick justice supposidly scamms but since hes well liked nothin happens....im not sayin dick should b im sayin the other guy shouldnt

[mellow mood]

all this shit sucks, thats what i say.

first of all, dick seems to have dissapeared, which could be a proof that he is a scammer, but its only a speculation. anyway, it does sucks, and if he really scammed you, then hes a fuckin bastard. i just personnaly wouldnt buy any stuff over the internet. just find a decent dealer...

anyway i guess youve been ripped off, but lets wait till dick justice answer to this thread (if he does).

well good luck

[Beeblebrox.420]

...I think he's a procrastinator, I think he's being a bit shady, I think he's a big dork, oh I think all sorts of nasties about Dick, but I don't think he's a scammer. I've been wrong before though ((just once)). This is my assesment, as well. I don't think he's intentionally scamming people, and the accusations are few and far between. Up until now, he's ultimately made good on his debts as far as I'm aware, and I hope that will turn out to be the case here. I wish he'd address this issue ASAP, since the silence is not helping his case any.

[tylerkane]

its funny that that one guy was banned for scamming this kid supposidly 100 bucks for aregano, but dick justice supposidly scamms but since hes well liked nothin happens

Agreed.
HEY BEETLE!
Why is Nobie still on this site? Why hasn't he been banned?

[Beeblebrox.420]

I've only seen a single person complaining about nobiee. If there are others, please email the links to me. My email is the Feedback sticky.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Nevermind. I just read the last couple pages of the thread that just got bumped and see he's failed to pay at least three other people. I have banned him.

[duppy man]

no sales talk here! take it private...!

is anyone listening........ :confused:

[duppy man]

Nevermind. I just read the last couple pages of the thread that just got bumped and see he's failed to pay at least three other people. I have banned him.

nice one Beeble,,,,, I wont diss anyone but i will take up the cause of the underdog as I see it

[poorman3]

it would also make it appear like we are condoning the sales by posting who not to contact, then it would also be followed by more of the testimonials we now have plenty enough to pull daily already.
Well start pulling? :confused: 1/2 empity or 1/2 full?
If those that can "pull" anything to make it "not appear" that these boards are condoning "it" or "anything" that may look bad for these boards... why not delete it now, tommorow or when you get a chance?

[Edgar]

I'll think him a scammer when he stops talking to edgar.

He already stopped talkin' to me. Check the link at the top of the first page for my original post about this.

[ADaisyChain]

Nevermind. I just read the last couple pages of the thread that just got bumped and see he's failed to pay at least three other people. I have banned him.

What a shame. I really appreciated his posts too. But, keeping scammers around because of their wit simply doesn't make sense. -laughs-

Dick, I don't want your aim afterall. Despite appreciation of your wit and humor, I don't have much of an urge to someone who's a now proven scammer. Sadness engulfs the nation. V.V

[del...]

is anyone listening........



those that wish not to be banned will be listening. enough warnings have gone out over the past couple months...no more excuses.

[Beeblebrox.420]

He already stopped talkin' to me. *sigh*

Well, I've emailed him and given him 72 hours to respond to this thread. If he does not, he will be banned until Edgar assures me that he has been paid. I hate to do it, since he seems like a decent guy otherwise, but this is at least the second or third time he's been involved in an incident like this.

[del...]

i agree...dick hasn't responded that i have seen so what else can we do? we have no use for scammers on either end...


but still...we need to get this sales shit under control here. as much as i'd love to see an open supply end going (for licensed med users only, of course) it's just not in the cards as long as we have our current government protecting us from the dangers of life...

[Beeblebrox.420]

Agreed. I think I'll compose a sticky tomorrow. I want to sleep on and and decide how best to word it. Won't be a cure-all, but maybe it will at least cut down on the sales chatter.

[PoBoy Blazze]

Hey Beeble what's the deal with the Herbal Smoke Shop---is that shit forreal? I bet it don't even get you high....correct me if I'm wrong, tho...

[Nullific]

How about...
"KEEP YOUR FUCKING SALES CHATTER OUTSIDE OF THE FORUMS."

It's worked on other boards. People have AIM, Yahoo, MSN, e-mail and all those other insecure methods of online communication to discuss the illegal distribution via ground mail of illegal substances and the like.
This message board has been the most tolerant of such discussions, others want nothing of it. In the end it will only damage the reputations of certain individuals who engage in such e-drug deals, as people get screwed. Most concerning is the attraction of law enforcement officials, they're about the biggest scammers around.

[Dick Justice]

Holy crap did I see this in the nick of time!

EDGAR!! I'm not trying to scam you man! I told you I sent money orders like twice I think, I had to do the same thing for the guy I buy weed from, if you want you can email him to see if it eventually went through. And that's not just me paying him, I had to re-send trying to buy from him, until I gave up. I also never received some Calea from iamshaman.com, and I know that site is legit.

Uh, I have like ten bucks in my PayPal if you want that. Holy crap I literally saw this in like the nick of time. I also read that nobiee turned out to be a scammer, toobad, I lost 50 bucks to him. :p

Anyway sorry I didn't ever, like, pay you. As you may well imagine I get easily distracted. But uh, I do mean to pay you. I'd like to do it electronically though, because I don't trust my mail, and I don't think you would either.

Damn talk about NICK O TIME. I got like a thousand posts on this name, I'd be annoyed if it got bahleeted.

P.S. As some may remember, I left in late July for vacation. I haven't got... all back yet. I've even been browsing the boards w/o posting and I didn't see this until nearly 3:00 in the morning. And I've been drinking!

P.P.S. I'm not going to try and make any exchanges in the mail anymore!

[Dick Justice]

P.P.P.S. It's fucking 3 in the morning and I'm gettind drunker so now that I ran up and stuck my foot in the door I think its safe to pass out for the night.

[BalliN]

you all just got hella served

[Lily420]

:D Happy endings always make me cry.

[robert42]

God whats next Dick Justice the rapist? Come on :rolleyes:

[del...]

oh come on...you mean to say you sent out money without a return address??? even if the checks get lost (and lost mail is VERY rare...yet it's happened twice to you?) they are traceable. why not look on the receipts and give the people you say you mailed them to the numbers of the checks at least? then call the phone number listed on the back and see if they've been cashed...then turn in a replacement form. that would solve everything and you won't lose anything...

[robert42]

oh come on...you mean to say you sent out money without a return address??? even if the checks get lost (and lost mail is VERY rare...yet it's happened twice to you?) they are traceable. why not look on the receipts and give the people you say you mailed them to the numbers of the checks at least? then call the phone number listed on the back and see if they've been cashed...then turn in a replacement form. that would solve everything and you won't lose anything...

very true.

[Beeblebrox.420]

P.P.S. I'm not going to try and make any exchanges in the mail anymore! I hope not, because if this sort of situation occurs again, your posting privileges here will be removed. That may still happen if Edgar does not report that you have paid him. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time, but I have to say I'm with del... in thinking that your explanation is less than forthright.

And now, I'm going to close this. Edgar, please keep me posted via email.