Unhealthy and Unwise

[Torog]

Unhealthy and Unwise By: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com
Thursday, Jul 21, 2005 http://billoreilly.com/currentarticle/



The devil has frostbite because hell has just frozen over. The New York Times, the elite media champion of government entitlements, has printed a "knock your socks off" investigation of Medicaid fraud in New York State.

The headline is that 40% of New York's $45 billion a year Medicaid tab is paid to crooks who have figured out how to beat the chaotic system. The Times ran down a list of thieves including doctors, dentists, transportation providers and individuals. The paper did a nice job exposing the scams and fraud but just dented the crime wall, because to steal about $20 billion a year, there has to be an army of villains and there are.

Now, I don't think anyone is surprised that entitlement fraud is rampant in New York State, which is the highest taxed state in the union and has two U.S. Senators that love the entitlement gravy train: Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton. But the state also has an allegedly conservative governor, George Pataki. However, Pataki has little power because the State Assembly is controlled by perhaps the worst elected official in the country, Speaker Sheldon Silver, who makes Boss Tweed look like Elliot Ness. Silver has consistently and unrepentedly stalled bills that would provide more legal oversight on entitlement fraud.

So why should you care if you don't live in New York? Well, because the liberal mantra that all Americans are entitled to government-funded health care has gained momentum over the years, and is likely to be one of the cornerstones of Hillary Clinton's presidential bid.

Can you imagine the federal government sending checks out to hundreds of millions of Americans and their health providers? Can you just picture the chaos and the theft potential? We have massive fraud now with targeted health plans for the poor and elderly. Universal health entitlements would send the country into fiscal disaster.

The truth is that our Constitution does not mandate any responsibility on the part of the feds to pay you anything. There wasn't even a federal income tax withholding before 1913. But now the American left has decided that a "compassionate" society must provide health care, even though it is virtually impossible to do that in a nation of 300 million. The national health system in Canada is chaotic and they have just 33 million citizens.

I am not talking about an "every man for himself" national policy. Clearly, the federal government should provide responsible and effective safety nets for Americans who cannot provide for themselves. Nobody should live under a bridge, nobody should die for lack of a doctor. But government assistance should be well thought out and delivered in a targeted, disciplined way. So far, that has not been case, not only in Medicaid, but in most "Great Society" programs. Rampant entitlements have bankrupted Germany and France and the high taxation that fuels these programs has made it impossible for the German and French economies to grow. More entitlements and higher taxation in the USA would lead to the same situation. We have been warned. It must be galling to the left-wing columnists at The New York Times that their own newspaper has illustrated the economic dangers of massive entitlement programs. People like Bob Herbert and Paul Krugman envision a quasi-socialist paradise where the feds provide you with everything from tranquilizers to a colonoscopy. And judging from the exposition of out-of-control Medicare fraud in New York State, the colonoscopy reference is disturbingly appropriate.

[F L E S H]

YES! government-funded health-care is the creation of Satan himself! I steal money all the time when I go to the hospital, as do all my doctors, nurses, janitors, contractors, ambulance drivers, paramedics, even the old lady that sells newspapers in the hospital rakes in about $1,000,000 in stolen money. That's exactly what's going on in Canada.

Meanwhile, I had cancer, and I walked in and out of my hospital without ever taking a penny out of my pockets.

[amsterdam]

YES! government-funded health-care is the creation of Satan himself! I steal money all the time when I go to the hospital, as do all my doctors, nurses, janitors, contractors, ambulance drivers, paramedics, even the old lady that sells newspapers in the hospital rakes in about $1,000,000 in stolen money. That's exactly what's going on in Canada.

Meanwhile, I had cancer, and I walked in and out of my hospital without ever taking a penny out of my pockets.


actually lots of canadians die because of the long waitng lists for treatments,or come to AMERICA for BETTER treatment.FUCK BIG GOVT.

[F L E S H]

actually lots of canadians die because of the long waitng lists for treatments,or come to AMERICA for BETTER treatment.FUCK BIG GOVT.
Well, I must admit in the past 10 years, the system has suffered a lot, but before that (and that's a problem of corruption in the government, it has nothing to do with health-car system per se) it was consistently rated as one of the top health care systems in the world.

Actually, all the countries that are listed as having the best health systems have it nationalized. In fact, most developped countries have it. But I forgot, the US exists in a vacuum, and the rest of the world doesn't matter unless you want to bomb it.

[nicholasstanko]

actually lots of canadians die because of the long waitng lists for treatments,or come to AMERICA for BETTER treatment.FUCK BIG GOVT.

no, canadians go to america for faster treatment. It may cost a little, but can you really put a price tag on having a free, healthy and independent life :rolleyes:

and besides, it keeps the lower class citizens out.

[XTC]

Both Health Insurance Systems have major flaws. US-- Well, a lot of people can't afford medical insurance, and pretty much without it, you're screwed. Canadian health care system is promising, you know free health care and such, but the long waits. Imagine if 300 million people in this country with free health care, imagine the long ass waiting spots.

Two years ago I had to under go Heart Surgery.(Born with a mumor and it progressed throughout my life. A lot of my heart was 'blocked') My rents have an awesome health insurance plan. I walked in and walked out two weeks later. The whole procedure cost about a 1.5 million dollars, I believe. With the health insurance plan it only cost about a grand I believe. Dirt cheap for a life saving procedure.

The way O'Reilly is presenting this, is ridiculous. Checks going out to patients and health care agencies and he makes it out in this big ass scam of immense proportions. Scare and shock tatics if you ask me, Like FLESH pointed out.

[amsterdam]

as canada continues its SLOW march away from liberlism,stuff like your health care system wwill change.watch,your countries slow march away from liberlism isnt as fast as our sprint,but its coiming to a town near you.

[F L E S H]

Both Health Insurance Systems have major flaws. US-- Well, a lot of people can't afford medical insurance, and pretty much without it, you're screwed. Canadian health care system is promising, you know free health care and such, but the long waits. Imagine if 300 million people in this country with free health care, imagine the long ass waiting spots.

Two years ago I had to under go Heart Surgery.(Born with a mumor and it progressed throughout my life. A lot of my heart was 'blocked') My rents have an awesome health insurance plan. I walked in and walked out two weeks later. The whole procedure cost about a 1.5 million dollars, I believe. With the health insurance plan it only cost about a grand I believe. Dirt cheap for a life saving procedure.

The way O'Reilly is presenting this, is ridiculous. Checks going out to patients and health care agencies and he makes it out in this big ass scam of immense proportions. Scare and shock tatics if you ask me, Like FLESH pointed out.

But it still cost you 1 grand... In Europe, I spoke with some people whenm I was there in May, and for them the idea of paying for the hospital is barbarous. Most of the world is of the opinion that your government should take care of you, not leave you hanging to fend for yourself, like in the US.

[amsterdam]

people can take care of themselves.

big govt, is big problems.it will never be that way here thankfully.

[nicholasstanko]

people can take care of themselves.

big govt, is big problems.it will never be that way here thankfully.


take a stroll through some of the poorer areas, amster.

[Euphoric]

dont you know bush has his little greedy fingers around the throat of the fox network?
your tv is programming you...but thanks for copying and pasting it for me to degrade, at least :)

[bhallg2k]

If state-sponsored healthcare is so bad, why does Cuba have the best, most advanced healthcare system in the world?

That's right. Cuba.

[nicholasstanko]

If state-sponsored healthcare is so bad, why does Cuba have the best, most advanced healthcare system in the world?

That's right. Cuba.


because they're terrorists :rolleyes:

[amsterdam]

it has nothing to with Bush having power over Fox News.Liberal ideals and philosophies are out of date and tired and the people arent interested in them.I know some might not like to hear that but its true.For the regular people in America,they view the Democratic party as babies with no plans or ideas.The New York Times circulation is down,L.A. Times circulation is down(they fired their editor yesterday).

[bhallg2k]

Amsterdam, you turn everything into a liberal vs. conservative argument. Talk about "no ideas."

[amsterdam]

hey,i represent the people with no ideas right?look around you buddy,your people are going bye-bye election by election.more to come.im sure you will have no idea how or why you lost and jump back into "we hate the electoral college routine".same song and dance.

my people are the ones who moved up in every single demographic the dems thought they ran.ide be scared and angry to if i were you. :D

how much money your party raised? :rolleyes:

[nicholasstanko]

how true.

[amsterdam]

we'll see who has no ideas next year.

[bhallg2k]

This is a healthcare thread, so I don't really feel like going off on a ideological rant. But I will say this: "Your people," as you like to put it, aren't the ones with the ideas. They're the ones with a strategy. Huge difference.

[amsterdam]

whatever makes you feel better.

[F L E S H]

it has nothing to with Bush having power over Fox News.Liberal ideals and philosophies are out of date and tired and the people arent interested in them.I know some might not like to hear that but its true.For the regular people in America,they view the Democratic party as babies with no plans or ideas.The New York Times circulation is down,L.A. Times circulation is down(they fired their editor yesterday).
That's because there are no worthwhile Democratic candidates. This si probably the weakest the party has ever been in terms of quality of politicians, not because everyone 'saw the light', so to speak...

[amsterdam]

your right about the weak part,its gonna be a republican country for at least another 8 years.

[F L E S H]

your right about the weak part,its gonna be a republican country for at least another 8 years.
I wouldn't go that far... G.W. is doing a good job of pushing moderate republicans away. This trend will only last for so long...

[amsterdam]

i know that,its just the way history goes,republicans have power,then democrats have power.

there are no good dem candidates,0,zippo,nada.at least another 8 years or until Obama get some expierience under his belt.wanna bet me?

[highinspain]

How much money do you pay for your private medical insurance?

How long do you wait in a Dr`s office?

How much time can you spend with the DR?

Medical care is the responsibility of the government, just like it is the responsibility of the government to fix the streets, and keep the schools open.

You seem to be proud of the fact the current government is willing to spend 400 billion on defence and will bitch and complain when the ¨people¨actually need something like medical treatment.....shame on you!!!!!!!!

[amsterdam]

fuckin right im proud of the money we spend on defence,we are at war plain and simple.keep drinking that kool-aid.

i pay very little for insurance and get in and out of the doctors in about an hour?

more govt.=more problems.

[Psycho4Bud]

Why is medical care the responsibility of the government? At what point do the children grow up and fend a little for themselves?

[amsterdam]

thats a moonbats worst nightmare,the thought that somewhere people can take care of themselves.

[Psycho4Bud]

I figure that 400 billion is a needed expense in case the Greeks decide to attack! :D

[F L E S H]

God, you're dumb... National health care is not the same thing as living in your parents' basement unitl you're 43! A government's first responsibility is to take care of its people, that's a given fact. That's why it's normal that they should pay for the hospital.

[highinspain]

At the very least mayby the govt. should control the costs in the us for medical care.

Amsterdam says he pays very little? Funny the last time I lived in the US the cost for my family was 900 a month! I now pay 98 euros a month for private medical care, even though I can use the government of Spains medical coverage for free.

I grew up a long fuc kin time ago.....

[highinspain]

I see your point

[amsterdam]

i pay 90$$$

i hear your points and know where your coming from but it will never happen here.thankfully.

[highinspain]

What simple and plain war are we at? baby bush declared it over 2 years ago? Did I miss something on Faux last night? Did you declare another one?

[highinspain]

what are you scared of? Is helping your fellow countryman a bad thing?

[amsterdam]

big govt.=big problems.

if our govt. is so bad why the hell would you put the health system in their control.

in america,we can help ourselves.

[highinspain]

Been there done that, The opinion of some of the rest of the humans on the planet is the fact you cannot take care of your selves

You have the biggest government in the free world man what do you mean?

[amsterdam]

it isnt a deep thing,govt. run health care means long waiting lists and people die,demand outpaces supply so the govt. must ration care.it also means that patients are subjected to substandard care because budget conscious bureacrats SELDOM approve pricey new technologies as they try to save money for their budgets.there is no question our health care system isnt perfect and that should be fixed,but any "universal health care" should be avoided like the plague.

[F L E S H]

it also means that patients are subjected to substandard care because budget conscious bureacrats SELDOM approve pricey new technologies as they try to save money for their budgets.

Yeah, that's why my hospital got a brand new PET scanning machine 2 weeks ago...

[amsterdam]

and what?our health care system here is much more effective than canadas.thats why alot of you come here for better quality treatment(and alot faster)

[amsterdam]

heres a real life example,my mother in laws friend moved from Ottawa to chicago for Faster cancer treatments last year

[F L E S H]

I acknowledge that Canada's system has been neglected for the past 10 years, and generally today it's not too good. But before the 1990s it was among the best in the world, and all the countries with the highest rated health-care systems have nationalized health-care. Believe me, it works (but crappy politicians broke it in Canada, that's a given)

[amsterdam]

and that was 15 years ago?scary!!

[F L E S H]

and that was 15 years ago?scary!!
Hey, it's been going downhill, it's not decrepit. I have nothing but good things to say about my experience in the hospital last year. Top line equipment, I didn't wait that long, excellent doctors and nurses. But whatever. You dont' want it, it's your problem.

[amsterdam]

sounds like it your countries problem,not mine.

[F L E S H]

sounds like it your countries problem,not mine.
oh shut up

[amsterdam]

i wasnt being rude?i could care less what the canadians do?

[Psycho4Bud]

God, you're dumb... National health care is not the same thing as living in your parents' basement unitl you're 43! A government's first responsibility is to take care of its people, that's a given fact. That's why it's normal that they should pay for the hospital.

Tell ya what, you can have the government make your health care decisions for you and I'll take care of myself. I moved out of the rents house when I was 18 and I sure the hell don't need the government to take their place.

[F L E S H]

Tell ya what, you can have the government make your health care decisions for you and I'll take care of myself. I moved out of the rents house when I was 18 and I sure the hell don't need the government to take their place.
What on Earth are you atlking about? You think going to the hoispital is any different for me? The only difference is that I don't pay anything.

If you think national health-care is like that, you're delusional...

[Psycho4Bud]

You get the Dems here in the U.S. involved and it would be a fucked up mess.

[nicholasstanko]

Why is medical care the responsibility of the government? At what point do the children grow up and fend a little for themselves?

AT WHAT POINT!!?!!?!?!?!?!


ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!>!!?!!?!?!?!!?



Oh wait, no point in starting a debate, it's only psycho.

[nicholasstanko]

it isnt a deep thing,govt. run health care means long waiting lists and people die,demand outpaces supply so the govt. must ration care.it also means that patients are subjected to substandard care because budget conscious bureacrats SELDOM approve pricey new technologies as they try to save money for their budgets.there is no question our health care system isnt perfect and that should be fixed,but any "universal health care" should be avoided like the plague.

Oh , amster, how you make me chuckle with disgust.


Do you actually proofread your posts? That's what the rich white guys living in beverly hills tell us...BECAUSE HEALTH CARE COSTS MONEY!!!!

They make millions from making people pay horrible hospital bills....poor blacks and hispanics are forced to go to free health clinics with no funding...but thats not the most powerful government in the world's responsiblity :rolleyes:


LOL. A rich white guy that was born detached from reality tells you that you dont need money or care and you buy it right up!!! I can see the facade and im not even high yet!!!



LOL.

[nicholasstanko]

You get the Dems here in the U.S. involved and it would be a fucked up mess.


yeh...better leave the thinking to crazy old farts who believe that they're gandalf :rolleyes:

[makor01]

or how about the stupid fucking kid who thinks hes the punisher. Get a life asshole. Those who live in glass houses shouldnt what?

[nicholasstanko]

or how about the stupid fucking kid who thinks hes the punisher. Get a life asshole. Those who live in glass houses shouldnt what?


Shouldnt try to debate with a decepticon terrorist.


I notice you being everyone's mommy telling me to play nice, but you seem to lack any real relevance to the topic thread.

I wonder why every time someone asks you or psycho a question, you guys dodge like Bush during ww2.

[makor01]

whats your fucking question asshole...i swear to god you fucking nigger...i am about the furthest thing from a terrorist.

[Psycho4Bud]

I've been gettin' high laughing my fucking ass off! Thanks dude!!!!!
Ya see folks, this is what pissed poor Nicky off in the first place. Enjoy! I have!!!!!! :D

Billy Joel

There's a place in the world for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl,
He's always at home with his back to the wall.
And he's proud of his scars and the battles he's lost,
And he struggles and bleeds as he hangs on the cross-
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.

Give a moment or two to the angry young man,
With his foot in his mouth and his heart in his hand.
He's been stabbed in the back, he's been misunderstood,
It's a comfort to know his intentions are good.
And he sits in a room with a lock on the door,
With his maps and his medals laid out on the floor-
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.

I believe I've passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage
I found that just surviving was a noble fight.
I once believed in causes too,
I had my pointless point of view,
And life went on no matter who was wrong or right.

And there's always a place for the angry young man,
With his fist in the air and his head in the sand.
And he's never been able to learn from mistakes,
So he can't understand why his heart always breaks.
But his honor is pure and his courage as well,
And he's fair and he's true and he's boring as hell-
And he'll go to the grave as an angry old man.

There's a place in the world for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl,
He's always at home with his back to the wall.
And he's proud of his scars and the battles he's lost,
And he struggles and bleeds as he hangs on the cross-
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.

BWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! :D

[nicholasstanko]

whats your fucking question asshole...i swear to god you fucking nigger...i am about the furthest thing from a terrorist.


black people like me are sooooooo racist. :rolleyes:


man, i wish we'd stop pretending we're not monkeys so i could be more like you!

[makor01]

you still have failed to ask me the fucking question you keep saying im avoiding...fucking ask away dickhead.

[makor01]

ok asshole...apparently youre not going to ask this oh so important question that i have been avoiding somehow...im done with youre fucking stupid ass games. Welcome to my fucking ignore list douchebag.

[nicholasstanko]

ok asshole...apparently youre not going to ask this oh so important question that i have been avoiding somehow...im done with youre fucking stupid ass games. Welcome to my fucking ignore list douchebag.

WHAT!?!?! no...please!.... NOT THE IGNORE LIST! How am i ever going to sit at the right side of God if i dont have you to back me up!?! :eek:


See ya later, you racist asshole.

[Beeblebrox.420]

whats your fucking question asshole...i swear to god you fucking nigger...i am about the furthest thing from a terrorist. Ok, that's enough! I will not tolerate that sort of racist language here. Consider yourself warned, makor01, if I see any more of this kind of talk from you, you are gone for a month, do you you hear me? Knock it off!

[nicholasstanko]

Ok, that's enough! I will not tolerate that sort of racist language here. Consider yourself warned, makor01, if I see any more of this kind of talk from you, you are gone for a month, do you you hear me? Knock it off!

i see what you were sayin, beeblebrox. in the future, i'll bring up matters to the mods instead of pissing on the thread.


i'm just a guy that's used to having to fight his own battles s'all.

[Beeblebrox.420]

S'ok, nic. You did good. :)

[nicholasstanko]

geesh. what the hell is this, little house on the goddamn prairie?


While you're hanging around, post sumthin...im interested

[makor01]

no beeb fuck that shit, this dude is a punk motherfucker, its ok for him to call me a fucking terrorist...fuck you and fuck this fucking nigger motherfucker...im not racist but this motherfucker makes me think twice. Ban my ass then asshole.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Ok, then.

[Psycho4Bud]

Take a look at this dudes last thirty posts and you'll find at least 28 insults and putdowns. OH NO, someone blew their stack and used the "N" word on this punk. I'll tell ya, my ol' man told me there are "N"s in all races, white, black, etc........
Every damn thread is the same shit, switched to Nickies little agenda with the insults on an individual or being an american baby killer. I'm with Maker, fuck that little bastard!!!