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Psycho4Bud

07-25-2005, 01:51 AM

"I express regret for my personal failure," he said before touring the museum, which features graphic images of people being decapitated and bodies twitching on the road.

"I think it faithfully, honestly, painfully presents the truth of the Rwandan genocide," he told reporters after seeing the museum which his Clinton Foundation partially funded.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/07/23/clinton.rwanda.reut/

Such sincerity....

Intelligence reports obtained using the US Freedom of Information Act show the cabinet and almost certainly the president knew of a planned "final solution to eliminate all Tutsis" before the slaughter reached its peak.

It took Hutu death squads three months from April 6 to murder about 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus and at each stage accurate, detailed reports were reaching Washington policymakers.

The documents undermine claims by Mr Clinton and his officials that they did not fully appreciate the scale and speed of the killings.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/31/1080544556703.html?oneclick=true

If it's true...he's the one that has to look himself in the mirror! How many Americans do you think would have supported sending troops? Genocide of 800,000 people, what kind of "world support" do you think we would have got?

Hydrizzle

07-25-2005, 02:25 AM

it's disgunsting. and to think, the same thing happens now (on a lesser scale) in Darfur in Sudan.

yes, oil and wealth is more important than stopping genocide, and the impotent UN does nothing to stop it.

Psycho4Bud

07-25-2005, 03:03 AM

And guess who the damn dirty birds are in Somalia...NOT the U.S.!

"France's oil giant TotalFinaElf has enormous, but presently inaccessible, concession rights in southern Sudan," Reeves said in a editorial prior to the vote. "Perversely, upgrading Khartoum's human rights status makes it much more likely that the regime will be able to extend its scorched-earth tactics to 'secure' these concessions for TotalFinaElf."

Reeves charged that "other EU countries â?? Germany, Britain, Italy, Sweden â?? have also had their appetites whetted by Khartoum's relatively recent petro-wealth."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32098

France has provided Khartoum with military intelligence for the prosecution of the jihad, while French and German helicopters have been used for ethnic cleansing in southern Sudan's oil fields. Further, their subversion does not stop there. In concert, the Franco-German contingent persuaded the United Nations Commission on Human Rights to censor any utilization of the word "slavery" from official documents on Sudan, favoring instead the terminology of "abduction".
http://www.iabolish.com/update/press-release.php?id=41

France and Germany...Sudan: France and Germany...Food for Oil
See a pattern??

Back to Rwanda for a moment....Does anyone in here believe that we would have had the Nations support or the U.N.s for any military action to prevent the genocide? I'm sure the French and Germans would have been right there for us. :rolleyes:

nicholasstanko

07-25-2005, 07:12 PM

Stedric

07-25-2005, 07:15 PM

And guess who the damn dirty birds are in Somalia...NOT the U.S.!

"France's oil giant TotalFinaElf has enormous, but presently inaccessible, concession rights in southern Sudan," Reeves said in a editorial prior to the vote. "Perversely, upgrading Khartoum's human rights status makes it much more likely that the regime will be able to extend its scorched-earth tactics to 'secure' these concessions for TotalFinaElf."

Reeves charged that "other EU countries – Germany, Britain, Italy, Sweden – have also had their appetites whetted by Khartoum's relatively recent petro-wealth."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32098

France has provided Khartoum with military intelligence for the prosecution of the jihad, while French and German helicopters have been used for ethnic cleansing in southern Sudan's oil fields. Further, their subversion does not stop there. In concert, the Franco-German contingent persuaded the United Nations Commission on Human Rights to censor any utilization of the word "slavery" from official documents on Sudan, favoring instead the terminology of "abduction".
http://www.iabolish.com/update/press-release.php?id=41

France and Germany...Sudan: France and Germany...Food for Oil
See a pattern??

Back to Rwanda for a moment....Does anyone in here believe that we would have had the Nations support or the U.N.s for any military action to prevent the genocide? I'm sure the French and Germans would have been right there for us. :rolleyes:
I get the feeling that you think this somehow has relevance to the War in Iraq. Please elaborate.

Psycho4Bud

07-25-2005, 07:39 PM

I get the feeling that you think this somehow has relevance to the War in Iraq. Please elaborate.

If it's in Frances for Germanys best interest, they could really give a crap what goes on....point proven in Sudan...and what about Iraq:

France
France controls over 22.5 percent of Iraqâ??s imports.[1] French total trade with Iraq under the oil-for-food program is the third largest, totaling $3.1 billion since 1996, according to the United Nations.[2]
In 2001 France became Iraqâ??s largest European trading partner. Roughly 60 French companies did an estimated $1.5 billion in trade with Baghdad in 2001 under the U.N. oil-for-food program.[3]
Franceâ??s largest oil company, Total Fina Elf, has negotiated extensive oil contracts to develop the Majnoon and Nahr Umar oil fields in southern Iraq. Both the Majnoon and Nahr Umar fields are estimated to contain as much as 25 percent of the countryâ??s oil reserves. The two fields purportedly contain an estimated 26 billion barrels of oil.[4] In 2002, the non-war price per barrel of oil was $25. Based on that average these two fields have the potential to provide a gross return near $650 billion.
Franceâ??s Alcatel company, a major telecom firm, is negotiating a $76 million contract to rehabilitate Iraqâ??s telephone system.[5]
In 2001 French carmaker Renault SA sold $75 million worth of farming equipment to Iraq.[6]
More objections have been lodged against French export contracts with Iraq than any other exporting country under the oil-for-food program, according to a report published by the London Times. In addition French companies have signed contracts with Iraq worth more than $150 million that are suspected of being linked to its military operations.[7] Some of the goods offered by French companies to Iraq, detailed by UN documents, include refrigerated trucks that can be used as storage facilities and mobile laboratories for biological weapons.
Iraq owes France an estimated $6 billion in foreign debt accrued from arms sales in the 1970s and â??80s.[8]
From 1981 to 2001, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), France was responsible for over 13 percent of Iraqâ??s arms imports.[9]
Germany
Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third parties.[10]
It has recently been reported that Saddam Hussein has ordered Iraqi domestic businesses to show preference to German companies as a reward for Germanyâ??s â??firm positive stand in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq.â? It was also reported that over 101 German companies were present at the Baghdad Annual exposition.[11]
During the 35th Annual Baghdad International Fair in November 2002, a German company signed a contract for $80 million for 5,000 cars and spare parts.[12]
In 2002, DaimlerChrysler was awarded over $13 million in contracts for German trucks and spare parts.[13]
Germany is owed billions by Iraq in foreign debt generated during the 1980â??s.[14]
German officials are investigating a German corporation accused of illegally channeling weapons to Iraq via Jordan. The equipment in question is used for boring the barrels of large cannons and is allegedly intended for Saddam Husseinâ??s Al Fao Supercannon project.[15] An article in the German daily Tageszeitung reported that of the more than 80 German companies that have done business with Baghdad since around 1975 and have continued to do so up until 2001, many have supplied whole systems or components for weapons of mass destruction.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm

France and Germany are opposed to any UN resolution that makes military action against Iraq "automatic" from the start, French President Jacques Chirac has said.
Mr Chirac was speaking after talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in Paris.

"The French and German approach (to the crisis) is the same," Mr Chirac said.

The French president said he was "totally hostile" to a UN resolution providing for "automatic military intervention" in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2293815.stm

The intelligence reports showing French assistance to Saddam ongoing in the late winter of 2002 helped explain why France refused to deal harshly with Iraq and blocked U.S. moves at the United Nations.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040908-123000-1796r.htm

Paris, Moscow, Berlin, Brussels and Beijing all threaten to veto any U.N. move for the United States to war with Iraq. All of these worldly members have vowed to strike a blow for peace and not challenge Saddam Hussein. However, Saddam has more than just diplomacy to thank our global allies for.

Saddam is not one to settle for second best. Thus, Saddam had to arm his nation with the best military equipment the world could offer. Saddam's quest to arm his country led him on a shopping spree in Paris, Moscow, Berlin, Brussels and Beijing.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/13/134858.shtml

See the link I'm refering to? France and Germany have proven beyond a doubt to really give a crap less about "human rights" as compared to their wallets or best interests! :mad:

nicholasstanko

07-25-2005, 08:14 PM

If it's in Frances for Germanys best interest, they could really give a crap what goes on....point proven in Sudan...and what about Iraq:

France
France controls over 22.5 percent of Iraqâ??s imports.[1] French total trade with Iraq under the oil-for-food program is the third largest, totaling $3.1 billion since 1996, according to the United Nations.[2]
In 2001 France became Iraqâ??s largest European trading partner. Roughly 60 French companies did an estimated $1.5 billion in trade with Baghdad in 2001 under the U.N. oil-for-food program.[3]
Franceâ??s largest oil company, Total Fina Elf, has negotiated extensive oil contracts to develop the Majnoon and Nahr Umar oil fields in southern Iraq. Both the Majnoon and Nahr Umar fields are estimated to contain as much as 25 percent of the countryâ??s oil reserves. The two fields purportedly contain an estimated 26 billion barrels of oil.[4] In 2002, the non-war price per barrel of oil was $25. Based on that average these two fields have the potential to provide a gross return near $650 billion.
Franceâ??s Alcatel company, a major telecom firm, is negotiating a $76 million contract to rehabilitate Iraqâ??s telephone system.[5]
In 2001 French carmaker Renault SA sold $75 million worth of farming equipment to Iraq.[6]
More objections have been lodged against French export contracts with Iraq than any other exporting country under the oil-for-food program, according to a report published by the London Times. In addition French companies have signed contracts with Iraq worth more than $150 million that are suspected of being linked to its military operations.[7] Some of the goods offered by French companies to Iraq, detailed by UN documents, include refrigerated trucks that can be used as storage facilities and mobile laboratories for biological weapons.
Iraq owes France an estimated $6 billion in foreign debt accrued from arms sales in the 1970s and â??80s.[8]
From 1981 to 2001, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), France was responsible for over 13 percent of Iraqâ??s arms imports.[9]
Germany
Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third parties.[10]
It has recently been reported that Saddam Hussein has ordered Iraqi domestic businesses to show preference to German companies as a reward for Germanyâ??s â??firm positive stand in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq.â? It was also reported that over 101 German companies were present at the Baghdad Annual exposition.[11]
During the 35th Annual Baghdad International Fair in November 2002, a German company signed a contract for $80 million for 5,000 cars and spare parts.[12]
In 2002, DaimlerChrysler was awarded over $13 million in contracts for German trucks and spare parts.[13]
Germany is owed billions by Iraq in foreign debt generated during the 1980â??s.[14]
German officials are investigating a German corporation accused of illegally channeling weapons to Iraq via Jordan. The equipment in question is used for boring the barrels of large cannons and is allegedly intended for Saddam Husseinâ??s Al Fao Supercannon project.[15] An article in the German daily Tageszeitung reported that of the more than 80 German companies that have done business with Baghdad since around 1975 and have continued to do so up until 2001, many have supplied whole systems or components for weapons of mass destruction.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm

France and Germany are opposed to any UN resolution that makes military action against Iraq "automatic" from the start, French President Jacques Chirac has said.
Mr Chirac was speaking after talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in Paris.

"The French and German approach (to the crisis) is the same," Mr Chirac said.

The French president said he was "totally hostile" to a UN resolution providing for "automatic military intervention" in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2293815.stm

The intelligence reports showing French assistance to Saddam ongoing in the late winter of 2002 helped explain why France refused to deal harshly with Iraq and blocked U.S. moves at the United Nations.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040908-123000-1796r.htm

Paris, Moscow, Berlin, Brussels and Beijing all threaten to veto any U.N. move for the United States to war with Iraq. All of these worldly members have vowed to strike a blow for peace and not challenge Saddam Hussein. However, Saddam has more than just diplomacy to thank our global allies for.

Saddam is not one to settle for second best. Thus, Saddam had to arm his nation with the best military equipment the world could offer. Saddam's quest to arm his country led him on a shopping spree in Paris, Moscow, Berlin, Brussels and Beijing.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/13/134858.shtml

See the link I'm refering to? France and Germany have proven beyond a doubt to really give a crap less about "human rights" as compared to their wallets or best interests! :mad:

psycho, i really wish you'd actually make comments and formulate actual opinions. not just post some random link and proceed to go BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH.

this is a discussion board, not a bulletin board

Psycho4Bud

07-25-2005, 08:19 PM

psycho, i really wish you'd actually make comments and formulate actual opinions. not just post some random link and proceed to go BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH.

this is a discussion board, not a bulletin board

I guess you flunked reading, writing, and history! Poor nic!!!

Stedric

07-26-2005, 10:00 AM

If it's in Frances for Germanys best interest, they could really give a crap what goes on....point proven in Sudan...and what about Iraq:

France
France controls over 22.5 percent of Iraq’s imports.[1] French total trade with Iraq under the oil-for-food program is the third largest, totaling $3.1 billion since 1996, according to the United Nations.[2]
In 2001 France became Iraq’s largest European trading partner. Roughly 60 French companies did an estimated $1.5 billion in trade with Baghdad in 2001 under the U.N. oil-for-food program.[3]
France’s largest oil company, Total Fina Elf, has negotiated extensive oil contracts to develop the Majnoon and Nahr Umar oil fields in southern Iraq. Both the Majnoon and Nahr Umar fields are estimated to contain as much as 25 percent of the country’s oil reserves. The two fields purportedly contain an estimated 26 billion barrels of oil.[4] In 2002, the non-war price per barrel of oil was $25. Based on that average these two fields have the potential to provide a gross return near $650 billion.
France’s Alcatel company, a major telecom firm, is negotiating a $76 million contract to rehabilitate Iraq’s telephone system.[5]
In 2001 French carmaker Renault SA sold $75 million worth of farming equipment to Iraq.[6]
More objections have been lodged against French export contracts with Iraq than any other exporting country under the oil-for-food program, according to a report published by the London Times. In addition French companies have signed contracts with Iraq worth more than $150 million that are suspected of being linked to its military operations.[7] Some of the goods offered by French companies to Iraq, detailed by UN documents, include refrigerated trucks that can be used as storage facilities and mobile laboratories for biological weapons.
Iraq owes France an estimated $6 billion in foreign debt accrued from arms sales in the 1970s and ‘80s.[8]
From 1981 to 2001, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), France was responsible for over 13 percent of Iraq’s arms imports.[9]
Germany
Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third parties.[10]
It has recently been reported that Saddam Hussein has ordered Iraqi domestic businesses to show preference to German companies as a reward for Germany’s “firm positive stand in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq.” It was also reported that over 101 German companies were present at the Baghdad Annual exposition.[11]
During the 35th Annual Baghdad International Fair in November 2002, a German company signed a contract for $80 million for 5,000 cars and spare parts.[12]
In 2002, DaimlerChrysler was awarded over $13 million in contracts for German trucks and spare parts.[13]
Germany is owed billions by Iraq in foreign debt generated during the 1980’s.[14]
German officials are investigating a German corporation accused of illegally channeling weapons to Iraq via Jordan. The equipment in question is used for boring the barrels of large cannons and is allegedly intended for Saddam Hussein’s Al Fao Supercannon project.[15] An article in the German daily Tageszeitung reported that of the more than 80 German companies that have done business with Baghdad since around 1975 and have continued to do so up until 2001, many have supplied whole systems or components for weapons of mass destruction.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm

France and Germany are opposed to any UN resolution that makes military action against Iraq "automatic" from the start, French President Jacques Chirac has said.
Mr Chirac was speaking after talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in Paris.

"The French and German approach (to the crisis) is the same," Mr Chirac said.

The French president said he was "totally hostile" to a UN resolution providing for "automatic military intervention" in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2293815.stm

The intelligence reports showing French assistance to Saddam ongoing in the late winter of 2002 helped explain why France refused to deal harshly with Iraq and blocked U.S. moves at the United Nations.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040908-123000-1796r.htm

Paris, Moscow, Berlin, Brussels and Beijing all threaten to veto any U.N. move for the United States to war with Iraq. All of these worldly members have vowed to strike a blow for peace and not challenge Saddam Hussein. However, Saddam has more than just diplomacy to thank our global allies for.

Saddam is not one to settle for second best. Thus, Saddam had to arm his nation with the best military equipment the world could offer. Saddam's quest to arm his country led him on a shopping spree in Paris, Moscow, Berlin, Brussels and Beijing.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/13/134858.shtml

See the link I'm refering to? France and Germany have proven beyond a doubt to really give a crap less about "human rights" as compared to their wallets or best interests! :mad:

..and? What's your point? Governments aren't flawless, they're a human institution, and humans are imperfect. Greed is present in some form in every country in the world, its just how people are.

Each country (its leaders in particular) is accountable for its own actions. Why don't you ask Germany and France to apologize for not entering the war? I'd love to hear their reply. "Gee, we're even sorrier it took you 3 fucking years to enter World War II".

Sheesh.

Psycho4Bud

07-26-2005, 11:15 AM

..and? What's your point? Governments aren't flawless, they're a human institution, and humans are imperfect. Greed is present in some form in every country in the world, its just how people are.

Each country (its leaders in particular) is accountable for its own actions. Why don't you ask Germany and France to apologize for not entering the war? I'd love to hear their reply. "Gee, we're even sorrier it took you 3 fucking years to enter World War II".

Sheesh.

I'm sure thats exactly what Germany would say...sheesh! :D

amsterdam

07-26-2005, 01:50 PM

actually i would ask that shit bag chirac why his government was selling saddam hussein anti-tank missles less than two weeks before we invaded iraq?then i would have him tarred and feathered.

nicholasstanko

07-26-2005, 02:01 PM

actually i would ask that shit bag chirac why his government was selling saddam hussein anti-tank missles less than two weeks before we invaded iraq?then i would have him tarred and feathered.

business as usual. what if someone were to question america supplying the contras or america supporting hitler to power.

in fact, what if someone were to ask about how all these small guerilla groups obtain these weapons for their militias with the american stamp of approval>

but when france sells weapons to a country to help it defend itself, it's a big problem.

how dare france sell weapons to saddam. is saddam so evil that he'd actually try to stop tanks with missles instead of sending his troops running and screaming. i thought saddam wouldve at least played fair. :rolleyes:

amsterdam

07-26-2005, 02:09 PM

pisshead

07-26-2005, 02:10 PM

don't forget building up russia too during the 'cold war'...check out the rockefeller file book i posted nich...it's a good read...

i'm not going to point the finger at other countries when there's so much wrong with this one.

Psycho4Bud

07-26-2005, 02:18 PM

business as usual. what if someone were to question america supplying the contras or america supporting hitler to power.

in fact, what if someone were to ask about how all these small guerilla groups obtain these weapons for their militias with the american stamp of approval>

but when france sells weapons to a country to help it defend itself, it's a big problem.

how dare france sell weapons to saddam. is saddam so evil that he'd actually try to stop tanks with missles instead of sending his troops running and screaming. i thought saddam wouldve at least played fair. :rolleyes:

Saddam had U.N. sanctions on him forbidding countries from selling arms to him. Maybe you should try reading sometimes! Oh, I forgot, you flunked reading, writing, and history! :rolleyes:

amsterdam

07-26-2005, 02:20 PM

theres alot wrong with every country,but i think i will ride this american thing out.i lived in England and Holland and i was never happier than when i stepped back on to american soil after about two years abroad.

nicholasstanko

07-26-2005, 06:49 PM

its simple actually,when dealing with a dangerous world super power like the failed soviet union,i have no qualms with supporting smaller powers wether they are good or bad.

i am not interested in playing fair,it isnt about being fair,its the buisness of killing people.

everything's business when you're in the position to manipulate the game to your favour.

I wonder if you'd have that same twisted logic if germany had won after all. Haha, it's so funny. you guys won, so we all should thank brave america for defeating the enemy that couldve easily been removed BEFORE helping build power and building his army back up.

If you guys had lost, we still wouldve been able to thank america for their help in helping hitler win the war.

nicholasstanko

07-26-2005, 06:50 PM

Saddam had U.N. sanctions on him forbidding countries from selling arms to him. Maybe you should try reading sometimes! Oh, I forgot, you flunked reading, writing, and history! :rolleyes:

I wonder how america's ally, israel, is doing in the u.n. nowadays. it's such a peaceful country and all.

israel is so great...nothing to check out on israel....

Psycho4Bud

07-26-2005, 06:54 PM

I wonder how america's ally, israel, is doing in the u.n. nowadays. it's such a peaceful country and all.

israel is so great...nothing to check out on israel....

Israel is Canada's allie also so you tell me...WAIT, don't do that! :rolleyes:

nicholasstanko

07-26-2005, 08:32 PM

Israel is Canada's allie also so you tell me...WAIT, don't do that! :rolleyes:

i'm not justifying or "supporting" canadians. canadians didnt declare war on afghanistan or iraq.

Don't roll your eyes too often. You're getting old and things break a whole lot easier.

Psycho4Bud

07-26-2005, 08:51 PM

i'm not justifying or "supporting" canadians. canadians didnt declare war on afghanistan or iraq.

Don't roll your eyes too often. You're getting old and things break a whole lot easier.

http://www.ploughshares.ca/content/MONITOR/mond03b.html

Canadian troops in Afghanistan...say its not so Nicky! Should it really suprise me that you dont support Canadians...have you no pride in nothing?
Don't worry about me....I'm not just getting older, I'm getting better. :D

nicholasstanko

07-26-2005, 09:20 PM

http://www.ploughshares.ca/content/MONITOR/mond03b.html

Canadian troops in Afghanistan...say its not so Nicky! Should it really suprise me that you dont support Canadians...have you no pride in nothing?
Don't worry about me....I'm not just getting older, I'm getting better. :D

better what? more pudding in the geriatric home?