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pisshead
07-20-2005, 04:26 PM
NY Fireman Lou Cacchioli Says 9/11 Comission Twisted His Words

Greg Szymanski | July 20 2005 (http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/29548.htm)

New York fireman Lou Cacchioli looked the devil square in the eye the morning of 9/11. He stared him down, threw him aside and walked into the depths of hell like a true hero, knowing he may never walk out again.

Like a hero, he risked his life to save others, never once thinking about himself at a time when one wrong a turn, a slight move in the wrong direction, meant sure death.

Although he survived, a little bit of Lou Cacchioli died that tragic morning in the north tower.

A little bit of the Italian boy, born in northern Italy who came to New York at the age of 10, was left behind in the rubble along with thousands of unlucky souls who didn??t make it out of hell that morning.

And if you look closely, a little bit of the Italian boy can still be seen hovering high above where the WTC once stood, flying high with the hearts and souls of his firefighter friends who perished that morning.

Look even closer through the clouds and you can probably still see a silhouette of Cacchioli and his best friend, Tommy Hedsall, both proudly wearing their FDNY uniforms and still rescuing people in the north tower??s 24th floor, the last place Cacchioli ever saw his friend alive.

Four years later, Cacchioli hasn??t talked much about the nightmare he lived on 9/11. First, he really didn??t want to talk about. Next, he got tired of having his words twisted by the 9/11 Commission and finally, the New York media basically never sought him out to get the true account of what he saw and heard in the north tower right before the building collapsed.

Originally, on September 12, 2001, People Magazine ran a few short paragraphs about the 20-year veteran New York fireman hearing what sounded like bombs exploding in the north tower.

Short and sweet, that was it. A few short words about bombs exploding, but words that were repeated over and over again in story after story by writers and broadcasters who never even bothered to talk to him in the first place.

After that, a little angry and a little disgusted, he pretty much disappeared into the New York landscape, his story only appearing in an obscure book released called ??American Spirit,? and his 2004 testimony given in private to the 9/11 Commission never released to the public in the commission??s final report.

So, it??s safe to say Cacchioli??s story, the story of an American hero, is probably unknown to most Americans even though 9/11 will be forever etched in everyone??s hearts and souls for all time.

In a humble effort to set the 9/11 Commission??s record straight and put the correct version of hero Lou Cacchioli??s story back in the history books, here is the unedited version, better late then never, as told by the man in an extended telephone conversation this week from his New York home:

THEN AND NOW

Losing his buddies, his job and his health, there was time after 9/11 he seriously considered suicide. But after counseling, a bit of soul searching and a loving family, the man who went through the depths of hell is now a happy grandfather.

Although he??s finally able to cope with the horror and grief of 9/11 after four long years, the tough-talking Italian with a heart of gold, admitted:

??I still have my moments, I still break down sometimes and I still go to counseling. But I feel a lot better, a whole lot better. I have a wonderful wife of 30 years, three great children and now a little granddaughter. What more could a man want??

And the man who almost lost it all after saving so many lives is back living safely on the ??happy side of heaven,? keeping close touch with the fire department he loves and vowing to never leave the streets of New York, the only life he really knows.

And like a true Italian, headstrong, independent and not afraid to speak his mind, he said:

??Nothing??s going to push Lou Cacchioli out of this town, nothing!?

THE MORNING OF 9/11

Cacchioli was one of those tough New York firefighters, the kind of guy you??d like to have a coffee or beer with or the kind of guy who could talk your arm off about Yankee baseball.

For most of his career, ??Tough Lou? was a Company 47 engine man in the equally as tough Harlem District. He was the type of fireman who you picture sitting around the firehouse dinner table, shooting the breeze and talking war stories about the last big blaze up on 42nd Street.

He was the type of fearless New York fireman who, up until 9/11, thought he saw it all, including the WTC bombing in 1993.

But that was before 9/11. That was before Cacchioli was thrown into depths of hell when the Company 47 bell sounded, telling the fire crew to head to the south tower of the WTC.

And like the sound of the bell marking the 15th round at Madison Square Garden, it was the last bell Cacchioli ever heard, as he never worked another day for the FDNY after 9/11.

Although it was like someone ripped his heart out on January 4, 2002, when doctors told him due a pulmonary condition from the 9/11 contaminants he??d never work as a fireman again, Cacchioli somehow still finds the strength to recall what he calls the most horrifying day a man could ever imagine.

But back on 9/11, Cacchioli was in true form, headstrong and ready to take on the blaze like he??d done so many times before. Although he readily admits ??none of the finest fireman in the world were prepared for 9/11,? he said never once did he think the buildings would topple, but at the same time, never did he think the fire could ever be contained.

CACCHIOLI AND ENGINE CO. 47 ARRIVE ON THE SCENE

When Co. 47 arrived with Cacchioli leading the way as the senior member of the crew, the second plane had already hit the south tower and they were told to head directly to the Marriot Hotel across from the WTC, since a fire was blazing form debris falling from the towers. Cacchioli recalls hearing radio reports of ??people jumping? and when he got closer to the Marriot, the reports turned into reality.

??I looked up and there were about 6 to 10 people flying through the air coming down right on us,? said Cacchioli. ??It was horrible when they hit the ground, something you had to turn your eyes away from. One of the jumpers landed directly on fireman Danny Sur, killing him on the spot. I remember saying, ??Oh my God, what are we getting into????

Cacchioli then recalls entering the Marriot, trying to lead ??the kids? as he called them, adding that words could not describe the screaming and chaos within.

??There was debris flying everywhere and it was just mass chaos,? said Cacchioli. ??At that point, orders were changing fast and furious and our company was directed to lend assistance in the north tower."

CACCHIOLI AND CREW ENTER NORTH TOWER AND GO UP TO 24TH FLOOR

Although the Marriot was a bad scene, the north tower looked like a war zone. When he entered the lobby, Cacchioli recalls elevator doors completely blown out and another scene of mass chaos with people running, screaming and being hit with debris.

??I remember thinking to myself, my God, how could this be happening so quickly if a plane hit way above. It didn??t make sense,? said Cacchioli.

At that point, Cacchioli found one of the only functioning elevators, one only going as high as the 24th floor, a twist of fate that probably saved his life.

??Looking back if it was one of the elevators that went higher, I wouldn??t be here talking today,? added Cacchioli.

As he made his way up along with men from Engine Co. 21, 22 and Ladder Co. 13, the doors opened on the 24th floor, a scene again that hardly made sense to the seasoned fireman, claiming the heavy dust and haze of smoke he encountered was unusual considering the location of the strike.

??Tommy Hedsal was with me and everybody else also gets out of the elevator when it stops on the 24th floor,? said Cacchioli, ??There was a huge amount of smoke. Tommy and I had to go back down the elevator for tools and no sooner did the elevators close behind us, we heard this huge explosion that sounded like a bomb. It was such a loud noise, it knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator.

??Luckily, we weren??t caught between floors and were able to pry open the doors. People were going crazy, yelling and screaming. And all the time, I am crawling low and making my way in the dark with a flashlight to the staircase and thinking Tommy is right behind me.

??I somehow got into the stairwell and there were more people there. When I began to try and direct down, another huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes later, although it??s hard to tell, but I??m thinking, ??Oh. My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!??

??But still it never crossed my mind the building was going to collapse. I really only had two things on my mind and that was getting people out and saving lives. That??s what I was trained for and that??s what I was going to do.

??I remember at that point in the stairwell between the 23rd and 24th floor, I threw myself down on the steps because of the smoke. It was pitch black, I had my mask on and I was crawling down the steps until I found the door on the 23rd floor.?

When Cacchioli entered the 23rd floor, he found a ??little man? holding a handkerchief in front of his face and hiding under the standpipes on the wall, used for pumping water on the floor in case of fire.

Leading the man by the arm, he then ran into a group down the hall of about 35 to 40 people, finding his way down the 23rd floor stairwell and beginning their descent to safety.

??Then as soon as we get in the stairwell, I hear another huge explosion like the other two. Then I heard bang, bang, bang - huge bangs ?? and surmised later it was the floors pan caking on top of one another.

??I knew we had to get out of there fast and on the 12th floor a man even jumped on my back because he thought he couldn??t make it any farther. Everybody was shocked and dazed and it was a miracle all of us got this far.?

When the group led by Cacchioli finally made it to the lobby level, he was unable to open the door at first, the concussion of the explosions or perhaps the south tower falling, jamming the lobby door.

Finally jarring it loose, the group entered the lobby finding total devastation with windows blown out and marble falling form the walls, but strangely no people. At that point, it was either left or right to an exit, Cacchioli, the man he originally found by the standpipes and another lady going right while the others went left, a move which by the grace of God saved his life.

??It seemed like every move I made that morning was the right move,? said Cacchioli. ??I should have been killed at least five times. The people that went left didn??t make it out, but we came out alive on West Street.?

OUTSIDE AND APPARENTLY OUT OF HARMS WAY

After making sure the two civilians were attended to, Cacchioli went to his fire truck finding Lance, the driver, who was attending to the truck and waiting for the crew to return.

Looking up at the north tower directly above, Cacchioli recalls not having the slightest idea when he exited that the south tower had already collapsed. He also remembers wondering about the fate of his crew members, the driver telling him two were missing and two others injured and already taken to the hospital.

??Next thing, we look up and see the tower collapsing. We saw it starting to come down fast, Lance running towards the water to safety and I headed down West Side Highway.?

Cacchioli said he remembers looking back at the north tower antenna falling, at the same time trying to stay ahead of the huge ball of black smoke gaining ground. He then threw of his mask to make himself lighter, a move that allowed him to run faster and perhaps save his life, while eventually having to throw himself on the ground from the heavy sawdust-like air mixed with glass that was choking him to death and taking away his vision.

Landing in debris, he luckily fell by the wheels of another fire truck, another twist of fate that may have saved his life, where he then managed to find a compressed air breathing mask. He then passed out and recalls waking up some time later after another fireman pulled him to safety.

??I don??t really know how much time passed, but once I felt better, I quickly went back to look for my friends and stayed till I couldn??t walk anymore,? said Cacchioli, who began crying when he talked about his close friend. ??They finally found Tommy??s body in the debris about 10 days later. I went back to Ground Zero every day for a long time, going AWOL, until I finally went to a doctor and was put on medical leave.

??They were very good about it. Everybody understood. It got to the point I couldn??t breadth anymore and I lost a lot of vision due to the broken glass getting into my eyes. Finally, the doctors told me in January 2002, I couldn??t work and I remember feeling devastated like my whole world was coming to an end.

??I couldn??t tell this story for the longest time and I have to admit it is still difficult.?

THE 2004 9/11 COMMISSION HEARINGS: WHAT A WAY TO TREAT A HERO!

Cacchioli was called to testify privately, but walked out on several members of the committee before they finished, feeling like he was being interrogated and cross-examined rather than simply allowed to tell the truth about what occurred in the north tower on 9/11.

??My story was never mentioned in the final report and I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room,? said Cacchioli. ??I finally walked out. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn??t let me do that, I walked out.

??It was a disgrace to everyone, the victims and the family members who lost loved ones. I don??t agree with the 9/11 Commission. The whole experience was terrible.?

HIS LIFE NOW

Cacchioli spends a majority of his spare time hanging around the firehouse, trying to stay in touch with the department he loves and trying to lend a hand to some of the younger kids in the department.

??I talk to the kids and I want to make sure they are keeping up to snuff so they??re ready if something happens,? said Cacchioli, who also plays softball in the FDNY league, something he regularly did when he was on active duty. ??I don??t want to lose this connection because the fire department is a part of who I am and who I always will be.?

Asked if he ever was pressured to keep quiet about his 9/11 experience, he added:

??Nobody has bothered me. I don??t think I should be bothered. I know what happened that day and I know the whole truth hasn??t come out yet. I have my own conscience, my own mind and no one, I mean no one, is going to force Lou Cacchioli to say something that didn??t happen and wasn??t the truth.?

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pisshead
07-21-2005, 06:01 PM
Former Auxiliary NY Fireman Is 'A One-Man Investigative Team' When It Comes To Finding The Truth About 9/11
New Yorker Paul Isaac was a block away when the Twin Towers collapsed, watching helplessly as many of his friends perished. Today the former auxiliary fireman and communication specialist is 'a man on a mission' who says after years of researching 9/11, he is positive a massive cover-up exists to protect an inside government job.


*snip*

the rest wouldn't post...it was just html garbage.

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/29736.htm

Breukelen advocaat
07-21-2005, 11:37 PM
Although I think these people are sincere and admirable, their theories are fantasies. I was a quarter mile from the WTC's before they fell - when the first plane was sticking out of the building. After the second plane struck, I went down to catch one of the few subways that was still running, and was talking to a rider that was an architect. He told me that the buildings would collapse from the heat - they were MADE to go straight down so that in the event of a catastrophe the surrounding buildings would not be hit as bad. When I got home, that is exactly what happened.

I was very close to the WTC in '93, when they bombed it the first time.

I??ve yet to meet a single person in New York that thinks the government was involved with the 9/11 attacks ?? and I know people who were in the towers, or in the World Financial Center (next door to the WTC), that day. We were all traumatized, and many suffered severe physical and psychological symptoms. Unfortunately, some people have to assign some kind of alternative reason or blame to man-made catastrophic events like this. It??s a survival mechanism and, while I don??t hold it against them, these stories should not be taken as an accurate picture of reality ?? even if they were in the middle of it. A LOT of people were caught up in it.


We know who was responsible for 9/11, and he's still on the loose.

F L E S H
07-22-2005, 12:24 AM
Although I think these people are sincere and admirable, their theories are fantasies. I was a quarter mile from the WTC's before they fell - when the first plane was sticking out of the building. After the second plane struck, I went down to catch one of the few subways that was still running, and was talking to a rider that was an architect. He told me that the buildings would collapse from the heat - they were MADE to go straight down so that in the event of a catastrophe the surrounding buildings would not be hit as bad. When I got home, that is exactly what happened.

I was very close to the WTC in '93, when they bombed it the first time.

I??ve yet to meet a single person in New York that thinks the government was involved with the 9/11 attacks ?? and I know people who were in the towers, or in the World Financial Center (next door to the WTC), that day. We were all traumatized, and many suffered severe physical and psychological symptoms. Unfortunately, some people have to assign some kind of alternative reason or blame to man-made catastrophic events like this. It??s a survival mechanism and, while I don??t hold it against them, these stories should not be taken as an accurate picture of reality ?? even if they were in the middle of it. A LOT of people were caught up in it.


We know who was responsible for 9/11, and he's still on the loose.
That's perhaps the most sensible thing written about 9/11 on this forum. Thanks.

Psycho4Bud
07-22-2005, 02:48 AM
Respect to you and your friends!

pisshead
07-22-2005, 04:03 AM
stanley hilton represents the family of over 400 victims on 9/11 who are currently suing the feds for involvement in 9/11.

a zogby poll released around the time of the RNC last year showed that about 50% thought the government had prior knowledge and consciously failed to act to stop 9/11.

i know people who have gone to NYC recently handing out fliers questioning the feds' official conspiracy theory.

the oldest firefighting magazine in the country questions the official theory.

i just posted two firefighters who question the official theory. many have been told to shutup.

pisshead
07-22-2005, 04:10 AM
i've seen family members shout out in front of the 9/11 commission saying why don't you talk about this...why don't you talk about that...what about the office of emergency management bunker that was on fire that day...on and on and on and on...

http://www.911forthetruth.com/

maybe you don't have questions...but there are many, including victims' family members, who have tons of unanswered questions.

Breukelen advocaat
07-22-2005, 04:56 AM
Look, there are ALWAYS lawyers trying to make a quick buck.

When we were allowed to go back downtown, some days after 9/11, the neighborhood made the Col Kurtz' village in Apocalypse Now look like a geriatric rest home - complete with raving crackpot "prophets", sightseers, the smell of smoke and death everywhere in the air, Army troops, police and, mostly, a lot of very sad people. Some of the Fire Dept. houses were closed, as many of their firefighters were killed or wounded.

Please remember, there were several thousand people killed in New York that day, tens of thousands survivors had to evacuate the WTC, thousands more from nearby buildings (including me) and hundreds of thousands of people were in the streets. People that exited out of the back of the World Financial Center, after the blasts shook the foundation and blew out windows and entire sections of it (I have pictures taken inside the WFC a few days after), were put on ferry boats going to Staten Island. When the buildings collapsed, from the vantage point of the distraught ferry passengers, it looked like the island of Manhattan Island was SINKING because of the smoke and dust particles covering the lower views. The overhead Air Force planes were suspected of being enemy attack planes, because the air was so dense with particles.

One woman, whose name I cannot remember, worked for my wife??s employers and used to appear on Bloomberg TV to do some kind of financial reports. She had to go on disability from her experience on 9/11, and I don??t know what happened to her since ?? but she was lucky to survive at all.

Most of the men, in the aforementioned Ferries, were very helpful and brave, but had ??delayed? reactions to the trauma ?? they had PTSD later. The women got over it faster, on the average.

It??s easy to sit at a computer and advance the theories that YOU like, but the world here is different than what you think. We will never forget that day, and must make every effort to prevent anything like that from ever happening again - anywhere.

pisshead
07-22-2005, 07:33 AM
i'm not doubting people died and are on disability and have PTSD...and?...that doesn't mean what the feds say happened actually happened. that's an emotional response. i never denied 9/11 happened and people died.

in fact, the families who are suing, REFUSED the government's blood money and are doing this because they see a coverup, and mr. berg is doing this for little money.

these are firefighters who went back into the building to rescue people who are saying this also, so you can pretend it's me sitting in my apartment all alone that thinks this.

Psycho4Bud
07-22-2005, 11:21 AM
Shock jocks with no respect stirring the pot and lawyers making the money.....where is the conspiracy? :confused:

nicholasstanko
07-22-2005, 02:34 PM
Although I think these people are sincere and admirable, their theories are fantasies. I was a quarter mile from the WTC's before they fell - when the first plane was sticking out of the building. After the second plane struck, I went down to catch one of the few subways that was still running, and was talking to a rider that was an architect. He told me that the buildings would collapse from the heat - they were MADE to go straight down so that in the event of a catastrophe the surrounding buildings would not be hit as bad. When I got home, that is exactly what happened.

I was very close to the WTC in '93, when they bombed it the first time.

I??ve yet to meet a single person in New York that thinks the government was involved with the 9/11 attacks ?? and I know people who were in the towers, or in the World Financial Center (next door to the WTC), that day. We were all traumatized, and many suffered severe physical and psychological symptoms. Unfortunately, some people have to assign some kind of alternative reason or blame to man-made catastrophic events like this. It??s a survival mechanism and, while I don??t hold it against them, these stories should not be taken as an accurate picture of reality ?? even if they were in the middle of it. A LOT of people were caught up in it.


We know who was responsible for 9/11, and he's still on the loose.


the WTC was the most reinforced building. Whether or not they were designed to fall straight down, is irrelevant given the fact that there wasnt enough force to do so.

as for the heat, i'm sure a super hero could do it, but not jet fuel thats so hot it's actually cold.

and as for your new yorker point, there was a recent study done that polled more than 51% of new yorkers believed the government had something to do with 9/11.

and let's not forget the countless testimonials from dozens of people with actual crediblity tenure and evidence linking the event to more than just a simple case of 19 freedom hating tinpot terrorists.

nicholasstanko
07-22-2005, 02:42 PM
Look, there are ALWAYS lawyers trying to make a quick buck.

how does that justify the claims made by people who have reason not to believe the official story? how do their lawyers become invalidated when opposed to government sponsored ones?

When we were allowed to go back downtown, some days after 9/11, the neighborhood made the Col Kurtz' village in Apocalypse Now look like a geriatric rest home - complete with raving crackpot "prophets", sightseers, the smell of smoke and death everywhere in the air, Army troops, police and, mostly, a lot of very sad people. Some of the Fire Dept. houses were closed, as many of their firefighters were killed or wounded.


Please remember, there were several thousand people killed in New York that day, tens of thousands survivors had to evacuate the WTC, thousands more from nearby buildings (including me) and hundreds of thousands of people were in the streets. People that exited out of the back of the World Financial Center, after the blasts shook the foundation and blew out windows and entire sections of it (I have pictures taken inside the WFC a few days after), were put on ferry boats going to Staten Island. When the buildings collapsed, from the vantage point of the distraught ferry passengers, it looked like the island of Manhattan Island was SINKING because of the smoke and dust particles covering the lower views. The overhead Air Force planes were suspected of being enemy attack planes, because the air was so dense with particles.



One woman, whose name I cannot remember, worked for my wife??s employers and used to appear on Bloomberg TV to do some kind of financial reports. She had to go on disability from her experience on 9/11, and I don??t know what happened to her since ?? but she was lucky to survive at all.

Most of the men, in the aforementioned Ferries, were very helpful and brave, but had ??delayed? reactions to the trauma ?? they had PTSD later. The women got over it faster, on the average.

It??s easy to sit at a computer and advance the theories that YOU like, but the world here is different than what you think. We will never forget that day, and must make every effort to prevent anything like that from ever happening again - anywhere.

you're not providing any evidence to the contrary. all you're doing is pointing out that many people were hysterical at the time. who wouldnt be? but now, years later, many questions are still being unanswered. You can't look at devestation and say "this is pretty bad...the government cant be involvced".

Dont make the mistake of thinking that just because you love america and others do, there arent those in power that just dont care. They are the same people born with spoons in their mouths and are born detached from reality. They also happen to be the one with the motive and the resources available to make such things happen.

Just sitting there and using some architects claim doesnt make the questions go away.

nicholasstanko
07-22-2005, 02:44 PM
Shock jocks with no respect stirring the pot and lawyers making the money.....where is the conspiracy? :confused:

alex jones is alot more respected than you'd care to admit. he might not be an official journalist but he has a following and he's won awards for his investigations and contribution to the community.

Just because he doesnt wear (or can afford) business suits and invited on cnn doesnt make him someone without respect.

Psycho4Bud
07-22-2005, 04:05 PM
alex jones is alot more respected than you'd care to admit. he might not be an official journalist but he has a following and he's won awards for his investigations and contribution to the community.

Just because he doesnt wear (or can afford) business suits and invited on cnn doesnt make him someone without respect.

Not an official journalist...imagine that!

CAN'T AFFORD A SUIT??? Get serious!!! Buy my books, join my website for $54.00/yr., watch my shows and listen to me on the radio. And your trying to tell me this sucker is struggling? DUDE!!! :rolleyes:

How can anyone else be expected to show him respect when he clearly has none for himself. :cool:

nicholasstanko
07-22-2005, 04:35 PM
Not an official journalist...imagine that!

CAN'T AFFORD A SUIT??? Get serious!!! Buy my books, join my website for $54.00/yr., watch my shows and listen to me on the radio. And your trying to tell me this sucker is struggling? DUDE!!! :rolleyes:

How can anyone else be expected to show him respect when he clearly has none for himself. :cool:

The only promotion he's done is for his videos. I'm unaware of any actual books he's put out.

Do you have any idea of what capitalism is? As much as I'd like to sit and smoke weed until my lips are navy blue, I can't because I need to make money to afford my luxuries.

What does Alex do for a living? He works hard to expose the truth and he actually has documentation to prove it. He doesnt come up with his own conclusions and writes about it after a peyote trip. If you wanted to, you could go to his site and read an article he cited to back up his claims. With further research you'd find he was on the up and up.


And there are many things about his show i dont approve of. i dont approve of his stance on abortion, neither do i agree with his stance on mixing government and religion.

See, what I don't get is you think that just because he plugs his videos on his show he's some kind of corporate schill. If you would take time to even say, ask pisshead for his account info he'd give it to you no questions asked. and you wouldnt have to pay to see it.

In fact, alex always tells people to hold public viewings and to make copies. how corporate of him :rolleyes:


So, stop thinking that it's free to run a broadcast show and hire a staff of what, four people and still pay the bills. it just doesnt work. and just to be crazy, let's say he only cares about money. how does that make the evidence and links he posts less substantiated if he never came up with it in the first place?


let's roll.

Psycho4Bud
07-22-2005, 04:41 PM
Here's something that I posted before about that turkey:

Lisa Guliani: You used to fill-in for Alex Jones. You did it a couple of times on his shows, correct?

Michael Corbin: Yes.

Lisa Guliani: Okay. Tell us a little bit about how that went for you and what happened afterward with Alex's wife - what she said to you.

Michael Corbin: Well, I used to be on the Genesis Communications Network and I was asked in October 2003 to fill in for him for three days, which I did. I got no pay for it, it was more a professional courtesy. And at the end of the third day, the last hour, Alex's wife chastised me because the video sales had dropped and she was upset because the sales had dropped. She didn't feel that I had pushed the videos hard enough. I was kind of disappointed because I did not get a "thank you" for filling in for Alex during that time.
http://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/corbin.html

At the end of EVERY one of his articles is buy my tapes and follow my link to join. "Buy a full year subscription and save 3 months!"
Maybe your right, Alex isn't money hungry...it's that bitch wife of his!

nicholasstanko
07-22-2005, 04:54 PM
Here's something that I posted before about that turkey:

Lisa Guliani: You used to fill-in for Alex Jones. You did it a couple of times on his shows, correct?

Michael Corbin: Yes.

Lisa Guliani: Okay. Tell us a little bit about how that went for you and what happened afterward with Alex's wife - what she said to you.

Michael Corbin: Well, I used to be on the Genesis Communications Network and I was asked in October 2003 to fill in for him for three days, which I did. I got no pay for it, it was more a professional courtesy. And at the end of the third day, the last hour, Alex's wife chastised me because the video sales had dropped and she was upset because the sales had dropped. She didn't feel that I had pushed the videos hard enough. I was kind of disappointed because I did not get a "thank you" for filling in for Alex during that time.
http://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/corbin.html

At the end of EVERY one of his articles is buy my tapes and follow my link to join. "Buy a full year subscription and save 3 months!"
Maybe your right, Alex isn't money hungry...it's that bitch wife of his!


Okay, i read your article. It looks like another scenario taken out of context. If you notice, it was never mentioned WHY his wife wanted him to plug the videos more. We're just to assume that it was for personal gain.

It couldve been because they have bills and it couldve been because she wanted more people to watch. it couldve been because they want to roll in dough. but as it stands, you only have an article open for loose interpretation.

Also, where is it mentioned that Michael Corbin was expecting compensation. It reads as if he was hoping they'd give him something, not like they had an actual agreement. If i could, I'd do it for free. If i didnt have to worry about money I'd do it the whole week maybe more. It's not about money when you're trying to get people to wake up and stop the madness. In fact, it's your duty as a patriot.

When was the last time you saw someone get a check cut for them after they served jury duty?

Psycho4Bud
07-22-2005, 04:58 PM
I got no pay for it, it was more a professional courtesy. And at the end of the third day, the last hour, Alex's wife chastised me because the video sales had dropped and she was upset because the sales had dropped.

Expected no pay...professional courtesy! Alexs' wife chastised him because the vidio sales dropped....after doing the show for free??? I'm SURE there is a good excuse..NOT! :rolleyes:

nicholasstanko
07-22-2005, 05:07 PM
I got no pay for it, it was more a professional courtesy. And at the end of the third day, the last hour, Alex's wife chastised me because the video sales had dropped and she was upset because the sales had dropped.

Expected no pay...professional courtesy! Alexs' wife chastised him because the vidio sales dropped....after doing the show for free??? I'm SURE there is a good excuse..NOT! :rolleyes:

Hey wait a minute, we have one side. Now how about a comment from his wife?

We still dont know WHY she chastised him. You just repeated what you said the first time. There's no evidence that it was directly tied with personal gain.

You're doing the same thing you accuse alex of. being a biased nut.

You showed a rather unprofessional article that only presented one side of the issue. Now you expect us to read it and take it as gospel. Isn't that what alex does?

No it isnt because you'd actually have documentation to back up everything that was said. If alex wrote the article you'd have links and references and testimonies from the wife (pretend shes not his wife).

So how is alex a corporate schill?

Psycho4Bud
07-22-2005, 05:33 PM
Well, post his ol' ladies rebuttle! Or doesn't she have one? :D

nicholasstanko
07-22-2005, 05:36 PM
Well, post his ol' ladies rebuttle! Or doesn't she have one? :D

Im not the one arguing that she wanted to make bags of money. Since you're so sure of it why dont you post her response?

Dont worry, i dont expect you to find anything.

Psycho4Bud
07-22-2005, 05:53 PM
Im not the one arguing that she wanted to make bags of money. Since you're so sure of it why dont you post her response?

Dont worry, i dont expect you to find anything.

NOOOO, you see, I call him a crooked bastard..post the link..you follow up on how close he is to Gods right and post the counter link....couldn't find it huh? Too bad!!!

pisshead
07-22-2005, 06:34 PM
what i posted wasn't even from infowars...how sad...it's a slap in the face to victims' families who don't gobble up the vomit the feds' expect us to believe.

i guess Lou Cacchioli is just a big fucking liar.

firefighter engineering magazines...the desiger and construction engineers of the towers...the feds' outright lies on TV, building 7 being demolished...the millenium hilton magically suffered no damage...none of this has a damn thing to do with alex jones...this is ridiculous.

i've given out personally hundreds of copies of his videos...

when you get a website that eats up incredible amounts of bandwith you can't afford when you start getting 20 million individual hits a month, and hire 4 employees...it's no wonder you want to sell videos. it's not a crime to produce your own shit and sell it. then i'll sit here and listen to you bitch.

why don't you tell us how much all of that costs?

he outright says, make as many copies as you can.

but forget 9/11...let's talk about alex jones. what a fucking joke. as if he's the only one on the entire planet that dare question the feds. open your eyes.

nicholasstanko
07-22-2005, 06:41 PM
NOOOO, you see, I call him a crooked bastard..post the link..you follow up on how close he is to Gods right and post the counter link....couldn't find it huh? Too bad!!!

I dont think anything like that. Stop trying to run around the issue.

I'm not going to look for a counter link that doesnt exist. That's your job because you posted a non-credible link without anything to reinforce it. i knocked away your point and now you want me to find info YOU should be posting.

alex jones is the conspiracy theorist (according to you), but he provides more backing than you ever put forth.

pisshead
07-22-2005, 06:45 PM
i know...and it isn't even about him...all he did, the nerve of this asshole, was compile a whole bunch of shit together. there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 9/11 websites out there...not everyone swallows the bullshit the feds feed us.

i did though, when it first happened. i had no reason to think the government was lying to me. i saw bin laden's face on the TV with the 19 hijackers. i was glad we were bombing the shit out of afghanistan...

i heard the story of the passport that magically made it through an exploded plane and through a burning building all the way down to the ground unscathed. i saw them on TV say this..it must be them then i thought...

...

but we're supposed to have fragmented minds and not remember what happened 1 minute ago, or 1 year ago, or 1 decade ago. facts change like rumsfeld said.

i know i know i know though, bin laden's face and the 19 hijacker's faces were on our telescreens within a day...that means they did it. planes hit buildings, that means the feds aren't lying.

it's sad that to say that we must protect our republic from enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC has just turned into a conspiracy theory. the foudners of this country were conspiracy theorists...read the declaration of independence...unless i'm supposed to believe the british were really that bad...perhaps the founders should have just left the new land if they hated their freedom.

Psycho4Bud
07-22-2005, 07:22 PM
That's your job because you posted a non-credible link without anything to reinforce it. .

NON-CREDIBLE LINK!!! This coming from the man who lives for the next news from Prisonplanet.com...BWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

nicholasstanko
07-22-2005, 07:56 PM
NON-CREDIBLE LINK!!! This coming from the man who lives for the next news from Prisonplanet.com...BWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

here we go again, i ask you for some credibility and you bring up prisonplanet.com

i've shown you countless times that prisonplanet doesnt write their own articles (like your post did) they cite articles and maybe add their own little commentary (in italics).

it's fine psycho. i just wish that when you find yourself in a corner, you'd at least admit that you dont know what to say. i'm willing to admit, i never really expect to convert anyone in a day, but c'mon man. own up once in a while.

Psycho4Bud
07-22-2005, 11:29 PM
here we go again, i ask you for some credibility and you bring up prisonplanet.com

i've shown you countless times that prisonplanet doesnt write their own articles (like your post did) they cite articles and maybe add their own little commentary (in italics).

it's fine psycho. i just wish that when you find yourself in a corner, you'd at least admit that you dont know what to say. i'm willing to admit, i never really expect to convert anyone in a day, but c'mon man. own up once in a while.

Nic, the day you can corner me is the day you'll find the French trying to elect Bush as their pres. :D

nicholasstanko
07-23-2005, 03:30 PM
Nic, the day you can corner me is the day you'll find the French trying to elect Bush as their pres. :D

well...better that than nothing :rolleyes:

Sinsemilla Jones
07-26-2005, 07:49 AM
Here's something that I posted before about that turkey:

Lisa Guliani: You used to fill-in for Alex Jones. You did it a couple of times on his shows, correct?

Michael Corbin: Yes.

Lisa Guliani: Okay. Tell us a little bit about how that went for you and what happened afterward with Alex's wife - what she said to you.

Michael Corbin: Well, I used to be on the Genesis Communications Network and I was asked in October 2003 to fill in for him for three days, which I did. I got no pay for it, it was more a professional courtesy. And at the end of the third day, the last hour, Alex's wife chastised me because the video sales had dropped and she was upset because the sales had dropped. She didn't feel that I had pushed the videos hard enough. I was kind of disappointed because I did not get a "thank you" for filling in for Alex during that time.
http://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/corbin.html
"...Now, you may wonder, why would the Controllers allow hijacked jets to plummet into the World Trade Center and Pentagon? The answer is simple. Similar to the sinking of the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, and the Gulf of Tonkin, Americans need a dramatic event to raise their ire and pull them into war. That's what 9-11 accomplished. We were rocked to our very core.

The result was also quite evident. (Y'see, the Controllers' motives are SO easy to see once you know what to look for.) Anyway, by setting our sights on Afghanistan and getting the War Machine rolling, the elite are capitalizing on the three biggest 'industries' or money-making ventures in the entire world: usury, energy, and drugs."

-Victor Thorn

http://69.28.73.17/authorprofiles/victorthorn.html


"The New World Order is really an ??Old World Order?. It wasn??t just thought up by George Bush, Sr. It??s been around for a very long time. I think the whole concept sucks. I can??t imagine living in a country ruled under this agenda. I would rather die than surrender my freedom to a bunch of greedy tyrants. If they want my freedom, they??ll have to come and take it from me. The NWO aims to have complete grid-control of the entire planet. If we allow this to happen, we??re totally sunk. We will lose everything our ancestors fought for, and everything America represents. If we are stupid enough to surrender our freedom to a bunch of lousy international bankers, then we deserve to live in bondage. End of story."

-Lisa Guliani

http://69.28.73.17/authorprofiles/lisaguliani.html



So, if your source is credible, then so is the conspiracy theory you are trying to debunk.
:p

Psycho4Bud
07-26-2005, 11:22 AM
"...Now, you may wonder, why would the Controllers allow hijacked jets to plummet into the World Trade Center and Pentagon? The answer is simple. Similar to the sinking of the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, and the Gulf of Tonkin, Americans need a dramatic event to raise their ire and pull them into war. That's what 9-11 accomplished. We were rocked to our very core.

The result was also quite evident. (Y'see, the Controllers' motives are SO easy to see once you know what to look for.) Anyway, by setting our sights on Afghanistan and getting the War Machine rolling, the elite are capitalizing on the three biggest 'industries' or money-making ventures in the entire world: usury, energy, and drugs."

-Victor Thorn

http://69.28.73.17/authorprofiles/victorthorn.html


"The New World Order is really an ??Old World Order?. It wasn??t just thought up by George Bush, Sr. It??s been around for a very long time. I think the whole concept sucks. I can??t imagine living in a country ruled under this agenda. I would rather die than surrender my freedom to a bunch of greedy tyrants. If they want my freedom, they??ll have to come and take it from me. The NWO aims to have complete grid-control of the entire planet. If we allow this to happen, we??re totally sunk. We will lose everything our ancestors fought for, and everything America represents. If we are stupid enough to surrender our freedom to a bunch of lousy international bankers, then we deserve to live in bondage. End of story."

-Lisa Guliani

http://69.28.73.17/authorprofiles/lisaguliani.html



So, if your source is credible, then so is the conspiracy theory you are trying to debunk.
:p

I just asked Nic for a link stating ol' Alex does this crap for little or nothing. I've posted links to rebutt, I just asked for the same. SO SORRRRY!!! :D

pisshead
07-26-2005, 01:03 PM
he doesn't get paid to do the radio show. perhaps you'd like to fill us in on how much it costs to operate websites that get 20+ million individual hits a month, and employ 4 fulltime webmasters, satellite time for radio and TV...how much would that cost you? you wouldn't have the balls to do it.

call up to his show and disagree with him! you go to the front of the line...i'd love to hear you.

why don't you call him up on his show and ask him how much he makes? selling videos is his soul source of funding a website, satellite time, and 4 full time employees, himself a wife and a couple kids...on top of that, he authorizes anyone to make as many copies of his videos as possible and to give them out for free, and he lets people show them in theaters and on access TV around the country...

the last i checked, this wasn't a crime. i've even offered to give people here my username and password, and i have given it to people, so they can watch everything.

i've personally handed out hundreds of copies. i stopped counting. alex jones is incredibly evil.

but let's not talk about lou cacchioli and the 9/11 commission...

Psycho4Bud
07-26-2005, 01:28 PM
Sorry Nic, gotta borrow your cross. :D

nicholasstanko
07-26-2005, 01:57 PM
Sorry Nic, gotta borrow your cross. :D

not my cross, psycho. it represents the death of free thinking and common sense.

my mind is way too sharp to be manipulated by religious propaganda.

amsterdam
07-26-2005, 03:40 PM
i think your a good guy stanko,but you really seem to operate in constant alarmist mode.

nicholasstanko
07-26-2005, 03:46 PM
i think your a good guy stanko,but you really seem to operate in constant alarmist mode.


the world is in alarmist mode. you should have seen me three months ago. i had no idea about what corruption truly is.

a year ago, you would have seen me at a rally yelling at protesters that they should support war for freedom.


things changed, and when i really researdched and ran things with each other, i found that there's always a catch when "freedom" is involved.

amsterdam
07-26-2005, 03:54 PM
sounds like your young and have no idea what you support or dont support.no conviction.

nicholasstanko
07-26-2005, 04:00 PM
sounds like your young and have no idea what you support or dont support.no conviction.

i'm not young anymore. i've been educated and i have a stance.

amsterdam
07-26-2005, 04:18 PM
i'm not young anymore. i've been educated and i have a stance.

you sound like john kerry. :rolleyes:

Psycho4Bud
07-26-2005, 04:21 PM
i'm not young anymore. i've been educated and i have a stance.

Thought you flunked reading, writing, and history? O.K. Jethro, graduated 6th grade head of yer class.

pisshead
07-26-2005, 04:22 PM
not even a comment about lou cacchioli in this thread by you. you've contributred jack shit as usual.

thanks for all you do...

this just in! alex jones IS actually lou cacchioli...!

amsterdam
07-26-2005, 04:22 PM
there are LOTS of dumb hillbillies in canada.no need to single out stinky.

Psycho4Bud
07-26-2005, 04:46 PM
Although I think these people are sincere and admirable, their theories are fantasies. I was a quarter mile from the WTC's before they fell - when the first plane was sticking out of the building. After the second plane struck, I went down to catch one of the few subways that was still running, and was talking to a rider that was an architect. He told me that the buildings would collapse from the heat - they were MADE to go straight down so that in the event of a catastrophe the surrounding buildings would not be hit as bad. When I got home, that is exactly what happened.

I was very close to the WTC in '93, when they bombed it the first time.

I??ve yet to meet a single person in New York that thinks the government was involved with the 9/11 attacks ?? and I know people who were in the towers, or in the World Financial Center (next door to the WTC), that day. We were all traumatized, and many suffered severe physical and psychological symptoms. Unfortunately, some people have to assign some kind of alternative reason or blame to man-made catastrophic events like this. It??s a survival mechanism and, while I don??t hold it against them, these stories should not be taken as an accurate picture of reality ?? even if they were in the middle of it. A LOT of people were caught up in it.


We know who was responsible for 9/11, and he's still on the loose.

I think this post basically said it all Pisshead and I did show him respect! Now you may proceed to bitch. :rolleyes:

Psycho4Bud
07-26-2005, 04:47 PM
there are LOTS of dumb hillbillies in canada.no need to single out stinky.

O.K......SORRY STINKY!!! :D

dooman
07-26-2005, 05:08 PM
Pisshead i couldnt agree more with everythnig you have posted

dooman
07-26-2005, 05:24 PM
i honestly beleive its time that the people of USA rise up and literally have a civil war that can take out the US gov't and remap it completely........ insane? no. crazy? yes. possible? probably not. will it ever happen? no. What will happen if it doesnt? More control for US gov't over its own people, over other people in the world, loss of rights, etc, etc ,etc blah blah blah blah blah WE NEED ANARCHYYYYYYY........join Bin Laden and the Terrorists on this fight vs America...seriously...i think we are all on the wrong side......

amsterdam
07-26-2005, 05:26 PM
i honestly beleive its time that the people of USA rise up and literally have a civil war that can take out the US gov't and remap it completely........ insane? no. crazy? yes. possible? probably not. will it ever happen? no. What will happen if it doesnt? More control for US gov't over its own people, over other people in the world, loss of rights, etc, etc ,etc blah blah blah blah blah WE NEED ANARCHYYYYYYY........join Bin Laden and the Terrorists on this fight vs America...seriously...i think we are all on the wrong side......


hahahahahaha,a real intellectual. :rolleyes:

dooman
07-26-2005, 05:30 PM
i read over everything..... i read antynig and everything i can about 9/11
i dont know what to beleive anymore all i nkow is this........there is somethign going on and its wayyyyyyy to huge and complicated........the more thnigs go on the more fucked up eveyrhting gets...things build on events that werent "real" or cover ups and its been gonig on for so long who the fuck knows anymore .....jfk was assinated by our gov't...so was his bro (mafia & gov't)....the drug war, the mafia, Area 51, ufos, aliens, weapons, bombings, they pull so much bullshit and theres nothing you can do about it but
1. beleive
2. endless persuit for truth(its buried so deep itll never be found) maybe in 100s of years like how we study Ancient Rome, the people of the future will find out what we did

Psycho4Bud
07-26-2005, 05:37 PM
i honestly beleive its time that the people of USA rise up and literally have a civil war that can take out the US gov't and remap it completely........ insane? no. crazy? yes. possible? probably not. will it ever happen? no. What will happen if it doesnt? More control for US gov't over its own people, over other people in the world, loss of rights, etc, etc ,etc blah blah blah blah blah WE NEED ANARCHYYYYYYY........join Bin Laden and the Terrorists on this fight vs America...seriously...i think we are all on the wrong side......


What site was that....Adopt-A-Sniper? :D

amsterdam
07-26-2005, 05:42 PM
hahahahahahaha,that was funny as hell!!!

nicholasstanko
07-26-2005, 06:26 PM
it really wasn't. this is serious business here. psycho isnt going to be helping you when the gates come crashing.

Psycho4Bud
07-26-2005, 06:59 PM
it really wasn't. this is serious business here. psycho isnt going to be helping you when the gates come crashing.

When you assume you make an ass out of you and me..get it ASS-U-ME! Please don't put me into your league! BWAAAAAHHHHHHH :D

nicholasstanko
07-26-2005, 08:19 PM
When you assume you make an ass out of you and me..get it ASS-U-ME! Please don't put me into your league! BWAAAAAHHHHHHH :D


you said you had grandkids right? if so, then i'm guessing you're getting senile.

Psycho4Bud
07-26-2005, 09:01 PM
you said you had grandkids right? if so, then i'm guessing you're getting senile.

With age comes wisdom. You have no respect for your government, your elders, or yourself. Hows it feel to be a complete idiot?

Keep the age cracks coming! So thats your last resort in beating me in a discussion....pathetic!!! :D

nicholasstanko
07-26-2005, 09:08 PM
With age comes wisdom. You have no respect for your government, your elders, or yourself. Hows it feel to be a complete idiot?

Keep the age cracks coming! So thats your last resort in beating me in a discussion....pathetic!!! :D


with age comes ibuprofin.


it amuses me that you think you've "beaten" me in any kind of arguement. if you'd like, you can make a post or a poll and ask everyone to give their opinion on who makes more sense or at least makes the better arguement. then you can prove me wrong once and for all? ;)

Go ahead psycho, i'm waiting for your pathetic excuse why you cant be bothered.

Psycho4Bud
07-26-2005, 09:26 PM
with age comes ibuprofin.


it amuses me that you think you've "beaten" me in any kind of arguement. if you'd like, you can make a post or a poll and ask everyone to give their opinion on who makes more sense or at least makes the better arguement. then you can prove me wrong once and for all? ;)

Go ahead psycho, i'm waiting for your pathetic excuse why you cant be bothered.

You post little to no links to support your babble. You TAKE from pisshead to think for you.
Your nothing but insultive to anyone that doesn't follow your opinions.
I've cornered you more than once...admit it HISTORY MAJOR!
Now I just taught you a new word, "pathetic".
I picture you as a sad LITTLE man living in constant fear. To bad your life is such a waste!

"i'm waiting for your pathetic excuse why you cant be bothered." What the hell this is suppose to mean is beyond me. Nicky, get a life...maybe you can borrow that too.

nicholasstanko
07-26-2005, 10:05 PM
You post little to no links to support your babble. You TAKE from pisshead to think for you.
Your nothing but insultive to anyone that doesn't follow your opinions.
I've cornered you more than once...admit it HISTORY MAJOR!
Now I just taught you a new word, "pathetic".
I picture you as a sad LITTLE man living in constant fear. To bad your life is such a waste!

"i'm waiting for your pathetic excuse why you cant be bothered." What the hell this is suppose to mean is beyond me. Nicky, get a life...maybe you can borrow that too.

oooohhh my. boo fucking hoo. :( psycho is upset because noone wants to talk to him in a rational manner.

how does it feel when someone says the same pointless shit over and over? everything you have just accused me of you do in EVERY post.

why did you order the shit sandwich if you didnt like what was in it?



I'm perfectly fine with the one i have now. all young and vibrant and carefree. all my senses perfectly working...smell that great canadian air...yep it's good to be young.



I'm going home now. feel free to complain to any mod. you like. might i recommend beeblebrox? he's one of my favorites.


Good night, gramps. And don't forget. Make sure to change your diaper BEFORE you take a leak. The nurses keep complaining about it.

Psycho4Bud
07-26-2005, 10:27 PM
oooohhh my. boo fucking hoo. :( psycho is upset because noone wants to talk to him in a rational manner.

how does it feel when someone says the same pointless shit over and over? everything you have just accused me of you do in EVERY post.

why did you order the shit sandwich if you didnt like what was in it?



I'm perfectly fine with the one i have now. all young and vibrant and carefree. all my senses perfectly working...smell that great canadian air...yep it's good to be young.



I'm going home now. feel free to complain to any mod. you like. might i recommend beeblebrox? he's one of my favorites.


Good night, gramps. And don't forget. Make sure to change your diaper BEFORE you take a leak. The nurses keep complaining about it.

Intellectually speaking of course! BWAAAAAAHHHHHH :D

nicholasstanko
07-27-2005, 01:18 PM
Intellectually speaking of course! BWAAAAAAHHHHHH :D

yes. of course :rolleyes:

amsterdam
07-27-2005, 10:08 PM
LOU who?great source there.hahaha.