topping seedlings

[monstermunchies]

a friend just told me that if you top a seedling when its about 6cm tall, or when those little roundish first leaves are still on the plant, that you will get two main stems. Does anyone do this, heard of this? please let me know what you think

[Zandor]

Check the cultivation FAQ section. Read up on croping vs bending that will answer your question. Don't do anything until you read up some more.

[sheist]

well I read it n i can't really understand parts of it.. will u get 2 stems?

[HARDDON]

Do not top you plants until after the 4th node....

NEVER top as a seedling.

Yes you will grow two main kola stems intead of one.
However, they will not be of the same quality...in MY OPINION ONLY!

You can also top your secondary growth shoots and double those stems...

But be sure to understand it slows growth for a bit, shocks the plant and in some opinions, the more you do it the less the quality.

Some opinions only, none that i know of to be fact.

I dont like to top.

And when I post a pic of Cunt's Main Kola tonight, you'll see why I am content with what nature provided.

[Malevolent]

I top but it depends, some I top after the 4th node and some I top a week into flowering depending on space, time, and maintanance...I havent tried bending yet I plan to but first I'm gonna read the best FAQ's that I can find...

A plant grown with zero shock is a happy plant I do know that so good luck and let us know how they turn out

[Zandor]

It's early enough in the cycle there is no affect on the potency at all. There are many other things that affect potency and THC content. Cropping in the early stage is not one of them. It will retard (slow down) the vegetation process by about 10 day's to 2 weeks. Some strains even take longer up to 30 days but the extra yield is worth the time. You just need side room. The plant will grow out more then it will grow up.

[monstermunchies]

so, zandor, i should do it? you think it wont kill my plant, theres seriously no more than 6 leaves on the plant and he says i should just cut it all off and have the little stem left?

[Zandor]

Seedlings are too young to crop

The plant should be about 10" tall and have about 6-8 sets of nodes. When you crop the plant between the 4th & 5th node or even the 6th and 7th node. You then clone the stock you just cut. Don't rush it. By that time the plant is in vegetation cycle and is strong enough to crop.

Understand now? There is no need to crop the top and trash it.

[sheist]

.... what happens if u pinch it?

whats the difference between cropping and topping?

[monstermunchies]

thanks, sorry for my slowness zandor

[SyKo]

yeah n dont ever!! top right after the first set of sun leaves(round ones),i dont think anything would grow then (would it?) ,when you top you dont get 2 branches that come out of the stem you piched it lets the secondary growth shoots from the next 2 nodes below it become the top of the plant ,somtimes you end up with 4 tops or more depending how the growth shoots are growing.

hope that helps i know at first i thought the branch you clipped grew 2 from it

[sheist]

Yes you will grow two main kola stems intead of one.
However, they will not be of the same quality...in MY OPINION ONLY!

what do you mean by quality? potency?


yeah n dont ever!! top right after the first set of sun leaves(round ones),i dont think anything would grow then (would it?) ,when you top you dont get 2 branches that come out of the stem you piched it lets the secondary growth shoots from the next 2 nodes below it become the top of the plant ,somtimes you end up with 4 tops or more depending how the growth shoots are growing.

so when i pinch it, the 2 nodes below it will grow to what the one i pinched was supposed to be.. so let say i wait til that higher node grows a bud.. then i pinch it.. and the other 2 grow and will make bud... right?? so i should have three...?

so what the hell is topping?? i saw a video n he said was topping his plants but he cut the shits off... how is it supposed to double if u cut one of them off?

[HARDDON]

hehehhehehe....

have fun :)

[sheist]

awww come on!!

i'm almost gettin it!! i CAN figure this out c'mon

[Zandor]

thanks, sorry for my slowness zandor
NP, I think I helped to confuse you too, easy answers to complex questions is not always easy. I think I need to add to that sticky and expound some more. I just need to find the right words.


.... what happens if u pinch it?

whats the difference between cropping and topping?
Cropping and topping is about the same thing. Both remove the main stock tip. One you clone so it's a little bigger the other you trash just the tip.

Pinching is a third technique - In the short pinching is a stress technique, and stressing a plant is thought to produce more resin. Like cropping or topping you promote the plant to grow out more then up. The plant gets bushier. Pinching will diminish the overall yield but not really the overall weight.

Proper cropping is done early in the vegetation cycle. The plant needs time to recover and that time will also set back your timing to finish.

[sheist]

Pinching is a third technique - In the short pinching is a stress technique, and stressing a plant is thought to produce more resin. Like cropping or topping you promote the plant to grow out more then up. The plant gets bushier. Pinching will diminish the overall yield but not really the overall weight.

so its bad to pinch?

i herd if you pinch it, another one grows... so you get 2
now i hear if u top it.. another one grows with it.. so you get 2

but if you top it, ur cuttin the piece off so how does that get you 2 if u cut one off?

and if how do you get 2 if you pinch it, which should "diminish the overall yield" ?

[HARDDON]

LMAO........

"Honey....bring me some more fucking xanax now. Right the fuck now."

Pinching....as expressed by your friend.....

"Taking your finger nails and grabbing the top growth and pinch the top off with your finger tips." Toss the growth you just removed into the trash, whatever.

TOPPING....

"taking a razor and grabbing the top growth and slice or cut the top growth and take the stuff you just cut and clone it."

Topping or pinching result in the same. You have removed the MAIN KOLA from the plant. It is now gone forever.

It does not magiacally grow into a two headed top.

After you pinch or top, the same thing, you have no more main kola.

Got that?

What you do, is force the plant to take the two highest secondary growth spots, and force them to act as the main kolas for the plant.

So you are essentially removing the genetic top, and forcing the plant to focus growth on secondary grow spots.

[Zandor]

The main cola contains the antioxidants that control the growth cycles of the plant. By removing the antioxidants the plant will grow out more then grow up. (The vegetation cycle is extended by 2 weeks or more). Crushing the stock will stress the plant; it will also keep the plant short. The stress forces the plant to put its energy into repairing the damage and not growing up (same idea) again it will slow the vegetation cycle and the plant will grow out more then up. Stress plants can produce more resin, but there is a very fine line to walk if you try stress techniques.

Caution is the word for the day.

HARDDON can you spair a couple of xanax?

[HARDDON]

HARDDON can you spair a couple of xanax?

Sure bro, how many you need?

[latewood]

xanax for everyone...LMAO thru this whole thread, good job fellas!

[sheist]

lol
*rises out of the rubble of information with contemptous intempt

but... i'm... not.... done...

*gets his quote game on


So you are essentially removing the genetic top, and forcing the plant to focus growth on secondary grow spots.

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Crushing the stock will stress the plant; it will also keep the plant short.

so the main kola is removed.. the secondary spots become the 'successors' and grow.. so referring to the other thread, about topping at 8in and growing at 8in.. would it be better to PINCH at 17in, since it stops the growth? say buds form nicely on the secondaries.. whta happens if i pinch those too? (afterwards)

also, when can I put xanax in the plant? what does it regulate?

[HARDDON]

I have assumed the position of my head in the sand, my bunghole is lubbed, relaxed and ready.

BRING IT ON.......... :eek:

Pinching, topping, pruning, cutting, tasking a shit on her wont stop her growth.

Tell ya bro. DONT PINCH THE PLANT.

Bend it over and........

ah fuck i give up....lol....

no more for me.............

I actually got stoned, went to Home Depot...I got the tub, the fans, the tubes...the lava rock and everything else i need.

all i need is the PRO-MIX (why grow in anything else)...the flower house i get it from is closed till spring...so i will have to find another nursery that has it or I need to order online.

I will just build this unit and do the goddamned grow myself and post pics fer ya!

All thru the Home Depot Isles....

"what am I doing this for? why am I doing this?"

over n over n over.

But I like the challenge so I am gonna do it for myself...

I shall build the unit tomoro and post it. If I cant find some promix, i'll use some scotts soil or something.

I am finding that the more xanax I take....the more I need....

And to think I have maintained thru self discipline and desire a 1mg a day dosage for 5 years...and now I am up to 2mg a day.

We have been had....... ROFLMAO

[sheist]

Pinching, topping, pruning, cutting, tasking a shit on her wont stop her growth.

so.. pinchin will help keep it short but it wont overall stop the growth?

[newgroweroldsmoker]

so.. pinchin will help keep it short but it wont overall stop the growth?



you top the plant, cutting the main cola, two more grow in its' place, you top those two and now you have four main colas.....
this technique enables the plant, along with some LST, to grow horizontally.....
the growth never stops....
the plant heals itself and continues to grow(the vegetation time is much longer though).....
using these techniques it grows more horizontally than vertical becoming a bush style plant....
attention though, not all strains respond the same way to topping, most of the strains have no problem with it, while others like Chronic (that grow buds mainly at the main cola) do not respond well when topped......
propably the best technique to apply is the low stress training(LST) where you do not have to make any cuttings and stress the plant halting its' growth.....
you just bend the branches and tie them down...the overall yield is increased because the light reaches the lower parts of the plant and new growth shoots appear.....and all these happen with no stress at all:)

[HARDDON]

Hey ......

Don't top your plants.

Case closed :)

[Zandor]

If it's that confusing then just don't do it.

This is supposed to be fun and stressing like that is not fun. They are all just different techniques of growing. Not everyone can stress grow or even crop plants. LST is one thing but only if you need to keep them low or is the light can't penetrate to the lower parts of the plant.

They are all just techniques. Each one has a positive and a negative side. You the grower are responsible to know the difference and apply the correct technique to achieve your projected outcome. Get some experience before you mess around with different techniques of cultivation. First time around only mess with one or two plants to learn and compare to your control crop for overall yield, quality, ease of growth and time to grow.

Keep notes and Happy growing.

[sheist]

i can't run away from it all the time, i must face it sometime.. and what time better than before i grow it..

[Ish]

and what time better than before i grow it..

After you have some experience in basic growing ROFL

[sheist]

ineed to get an idea of what i'll be doing

[sheist]

so after all this....

topping/cropping/pinching all basically give the same result, but depends on my personal preference or circumstance.

[HARDDON]

NOW YOU GOT IT :)