What happens when you die?

[PureEvil760]

I just want everyone's beliefs on where you go when you die. As for mine I believe you go to the cave of creation where you see all the stuff you could have had if you played your cards right then you walk through a door with you spirit name on it and you become a spirit once again where you are awarded with a new color that spins within you. Some people end up in heaven or hell but they are just illusions created from such strong belief and you have to see through the illusion to leave.

[bruiser]

I believe that when you die,you end up being apart of what you have always been,other words if your negative and evil! and have contributed very little in the way of Love! then when you die you become apart of that energy you created for yourself,Kinda like this,Jesus says he will go and prepare a room for us,and in that room it will be filled with your heart desire's,but in actual fact what I believe the Lord is really saying,it's you who create your own room! of existence,not that I believe we are gods or anything that would be foolish,and I ain't saying we create heaven! all those things are of the Lord...

Just saying that Jesus spoke about really cool things and when you read deep enough enough into his words you kinda get a bigger picture of whats to come..if your evil you created your own hell! if your a good person with Love in their heart then thats what you become apart of that great love!..

The words of Christ"In my fathers mantion(HEAVEN) there are many rooms(PLACES of existence) where I will go and prepare a place for you(Place of existence) and in that room will be filled with all your heart desires(Your existence and reflection of who you really were)......."If this was not so I would not have told you so"..............

Well in my faith I hold Christ completely in trust,but what I believe he is really trying to say what ever your heart is,is what you become,if your good then that is who you are,if you are evil then that is who you are,and of course your heart plays on what your spirit has become.....

Now I ain't in no way writing my own scriptures here friend by any means,it's just with Jesus he kinda sneaks the truth in, in his own little cool way....but I believe that my existence after my death will be with Jesus,simply because he is my greatest desire!.....if you notice in most near death exsperiences,people sometimes say Jesus came to them but in most cases it was a dead family member or a friend who passed away ,I believe the friend or family memeber is sent to you to try and make you understand or help you feel comfortable,but in my case I exspect the Lord waiting there for me!.....thats why it's so important to be good in your heart to remain good in your spirit..

[stoner spirit]

I sware this looks familiar, I saw another thread like this posted sometime ago. I believe that I will return to the spirit world and maybe become a guide or teacher to someone else that's living.

[Nullific]

I still lean towards reincarnation, since there isn't a shread of evidence for any other after life theory.
http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/personalitystudies/case_types.cfm#CORT
http://www.childpastlives.org/stevenson.htm
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html

What interests me most is that the powerful hallucinogen DMT is known to be produced in the pineal gland of the brain, it has been linked to near death experiences and may be produced in greater amounts at birth and death.

Take it with a grain of salt of course.

[NightProwler]

i think you rot

[ermitonto]

Well, if there's any source for the experience we call consciousness, the scientific data would point to its origin in the neural network of the brain. This, to me, is far more plausible than the "eternal immortal soul" theory, where something not made of matter or energy (like everything detectable in the universe) is somehow able to control our physical bodies through some mysterious forces, AND it has the power of reason and thinking, even though we already have scientific theories for those phenomena that don't postulate an entire transcendental universe of non-matter, non-energy "soul stuff" that we can't detect with any scientific instruments. If "souls" are in control of our bodies, why do we have brains? Why can we detect all sorts of phenomena pertaining to thought and consciousness by analyzing the activity in the human brain? Why does brain damage cause drastic changes to cognizance and personality (or one's "soul", if you will)? The evidence all points to consciousness being a product of the human brain, so it stands to reason that when the human brain ceases to function so too does our consciousness, just as surely as our blood circulation dies with the heart. We will experience nothing after death like we experienced nothing before birth. But people are afraid of the sudden termination of their consciousness, their experience, their acquaintance with anything and everything they've ever cherished, so they will continue to make up theories about how they will continue to experience consciousness for all eternity while I will make the best of the few decades I am grateful to have.

[Ousted]

Well, if there's any source for the experience we call consciousness, the scientific data would point to its origin in the neural network of the brain. This, to me, is far more plausible than the "eternal immortal soul" theory, where something not made of matter or energy (like everything detectable in the universe) is somehow able to control our physical bodies through some mysterious forces, AND it has the power of reason and thinking, even though we already have scientific theories for those phenomena that don't postulate an entire transcendental universe of non-matter, non-energy "soul stuff" that we can't detect with any scientific instruments. If "souls" are in control of our bodies, why do we have brains? Why can we detect all sorts of phenomena pertaining to thought and consciousness by analyzing the activity in the human brain? Why does brain damage cause drastic changes to cognizance and personality (or one's "soul", if you will)? The evidence all points to consciousness being a product of the human brain, so it stands to reason that when the human brain ceases to function so too does our consciousness, just as surely as our blood circulation dies with the heart. We will experience nothing after death like we experienced nothing before birth. But people are afraid of the sudden termination of their consciousness, their experience, their acquaintance with anything and everything they've ever cherished, so they will continue to make up theories about how they will continue to experience consciousness for all eternity while I will make the best of the few decades I am grateful to have.

Very well put. I completely agree.

[Nullific]

There is still so much humans don't know about their own brains, and probably never will.
Professor Eccles said that "the brain is messenger to consciousness". Among other brain specialists he said the brain appears to process rather than produce consciousness.


Consciousness, the subjective experience of an inner self, could be a phenomenon forever beyond the reach of neuroscience. Even a detailed knowledge of the brain's workings and the neural correlates of consciousness may fail to explain how or why human beings have self-aware minds. - David Chalmers

[ermitonto]

It is a common argument that just because we don't fully understand something as complex as the human brain, that there must therefore be a transcendental universe of "soul stuff" that we can't measure that one day decided to take control of creatures sometime on the evolutionary line between the first bacteria and modern humans. I don't see the logic in this argument. If the brain merely "processes" consciousness and does not produce it, where IS consciousness? If it is not in this physical world, where is the evidence that something intangible can affect the physical world? Insofar as human consciousness is poorly understood, it seems to come from the brain and there is no compelling evidence that forces beyond the laws of physics, and the matter and energy inside the universe, are affecting our physical world. It is not unreasonable to demand extraordinary evidence for such an extraordinary claim as the eternal immortal soul theory.

[DisposableTeens56]

i think u wander the earth as a spirit or u get reincarnated

[Twoshots]

again as stated in another post if there is no afterlife, consciousness etc how do you explain ouija boards and they things that can happen with them.
I have done them several times with friends and alone and know that they cannot be just in my mind.
There is more than this life.

[stoner spirit]

Those were spirits that were probably moving the planchette on the ouija board. Besides if you do use one, you're opening a portal to the spirit world, and you don't know what kind of spirit you might get. Evil spirits are everywhere and in the spirit world as well, so you might want to be vary carefull with these kinds of things. Any psychic, or spiritual activity that you do or partake in, spirits will be attracted to your energies, such as playing with the ouija board. If you or one of the people involved in playing with a ouija board start having weard thoughts, feelings, hear noises and voices, or have bruzes, bite marks, and scratches on your body, that might be a sign of possession. You can also experience paranormal phenomena, such as things flying across the room, lights turning off or on, and doors opening and closing by themselves. If you're going to continue this activity, I'd suggest that you do some kind of protection rituals. Just be vary careful with the ouija board, because these evil spirits and demons will not hesitate in fucking your world up.

[ermitonto]

Oh come on, Ouija boards? If spirits could really interact with the physical universe, they'd be able to move the planchette themselves.
http://www.skepdic.com/ouija.html
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mouija.html

[NowhereMan]

http://www.funerals.org/faq/embalm.htm

Embalming is a physically invasive process in which special devices are implanted, and chemicals and techniques are used to give an appearance of restful repose

wonders what the mind thinks of that
where is ya soul when that happens
lost?

[NoosaHeads]

I beleive in the 7 levels of existance.
were you reincarnate time and time again till you have learned the lessons you needed to learn.
then Graduate to the next level/sphere/plain of existance. eventually returning to the Creator.
I beleive the Lowest level of spirituality Is the earthly realm.
once your spirit has learned what it has to you Move beyond the Veil and so on..
again another Guess..???..

[Twoshots]

Hi ermitonto.
I have tried it on my own as well as well as with trusted people and i can tell you for sure it was not me moving it.
Go and try one then come back and tell me you were not worried...
This will always be debated with sceptisicm and I would not expect less all i know is I have tried it and will never try it again.
PS dont need protection spells as have been fully confirmed by the church (Yes I am a Christian).This is protection enough.
(Waits to be flamed) :eek:

[stoner spirit]

Hi ermitonto.
I have tried it on my own as well as well as with trusted people and i can tell you for sure it was not me moving it.
Go and try one then come back and tell me you were not worried...
This will always be debated with sceptisicm and I would not expect less all i know is I have tried it and will never try it again.
PS dont need protection spells as have been fully confirmed by the church (Yes I am a Christian).This is protection enough.
(Waits to be flamed) :eek:
That won't happen, I hope. Prayer might be good, but that, and protection rituals or spells are safety mesures for dealing with spirits.

[ermitonto]

Hi ermitonto.
I have tried it on my own as well as well as with trusted people and i can tell you for sure it was not me moving it.
Go and try one then come back and tell me you were not worried...
This will always be debated with sceptisicm and I would not expect less all i know is I have tried it and will never try it again.
PS dont need protection spells as have been fully confirmed by the church (Yes I am a Christian).This is protection enough.
(Waits to be flamed) :eek:

I'm not going to flame you (ad hominem arguments are worthless). I'm just saying...fingertips moving a planchette over letters, and only working when the players of the game aren't blindfolded, just isn't overwhelming evidence for me. People's expectations can be very powerful. I'm skeptical to accept things that claim to contact some sort of "spirit world" without claiming to have a comprehensive theory on how it works. I'd be more convinced if I were presented with scientific mechanics behind how this board game supposedly connects events in this physical universe with a transcendential parallel universe of non-matter, non-energy "soul stuff". You know, something we could recreate in a laboratory and prove to the satisfaction of the scientific community that this is indeed what is going on. There must be some explainable mechanical secret behind contacting this parallel universe, some reason why the living human brain can access it and channel it into changes in our physical universe, but something inorganic like a rock couldn't.

I see human fingertips moving a device to create intelligible messages (when not blindfolded), but that does not necessarily imply that a transcendental parallel universe of non-matter, non-energy "soul stuff" exists that is somehow only accessible through the "power of the human mind". Saying that this undetectable parallel universe of "soul stuff" is controlling the planchette through the human minds involved is an unfalsifiable hypothesis, and thus scientifically unverifiable. Occam's Razor would suggest that if we can explain things while not making unverifiable, extravagant claims (such as this undetectable parallel universe), we ought to. Intelligible messages coming from intelligent beings is nothing surprising. If the spirits could move the planchette on their own, that'd be something! But it seems the only matter and energy they can modify in our universe is limited to the brains of (non-skeptical, non-blindfolded) humans for some reason.

In the meantime, you might want to try researching how and where in the brain this parallel universe supposedly coincides with our own. I would be fascinated to see how matter and energy in the brain's neural network could be manipulated by forces outside the laws of physics.

[Nullific]

In the meantime, you might want to try researching how and where in the brain this parallel universe supposedly coincides with our own. I would be fascinated to see how matter and energy in the brain's neural network could be manipulated by forces outside the laws of physics.
Me too, so im not going to dismiss it as a possibility. After all there may be up to 26 dimensions.

[Twoshots]

Ever heard of the string theory.

[ADaisyChain]

I don't know near enough about everything to start making guesses at where I'm going to go after I die. It seems like I have two options:

1. Go with stuff someone else said because it made sense to them.
2. Make shit up and believe that because it makes sense to me.

I don't think I have enough confidence in other people for number one and I certainly don't have enough confidence in myself for number two. In the meantime, I'll just accept that I'm alive, and try and not think too hard about why, as I can't imagine I'll know until I die, and even then I might not. ((-wink~!-))

[Funkamander]

HA! Fuck me, I love WeeJee Boards. Because we all know, to reach the divine secrets of our universe, you have to go to Fred Meyer and purchase infinite wisdom for 19.95.

[howto]

It's once for a man to be born, once to die and then the judgement. I believe that Jesus is the Christ and the son of the living God. That, because of my sin, I can't go to heaven on my own. That there has always had to be a sacrifice to be made clean again. That Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice when he died for me. That he rose from the dead and over 500 people saw him. That he went back to heaven. That if I accept him as my sacrifice and the master, or boss, of my life that there no longer needs to be any more sacrifice for my sin and that I get to go to heaven. I believe that his sacrifice is bigger than any sin. I believe that Jesus is the only way to Heaven. I believe what the Bible says and I think a great place to look into it is by reading the all time best selling book "the purpose driven life" by Pastor Rick Warren.

Howto

[NightProwler]

your body become the life of many fungus, maggots, and plants. you become part of nature.

[morvak]

i think it's like when you're sleeping - you aren't aware at all, it's over. black nothingness forever.

you know when you dream, you're pseudo aware of that. and you remember that when you wake up. but i'm talking about the part of sleep that you just dont remember at all.

[slipknotpsycho]

maybe you should rephrase, sleeping indicates life (dreaming indicates sleeping wiht in turn indicates unconsciencness) if you are in a black nothingness, there is nothing.... therefore you are not there.....and inturn would mean you go no where when you die

[morvak]

ok, how's this: total cessation of consciousness. :D

[ermitonto]

Well, if near-death experiences are anything to go by, it seems that as our brains run out of oxygen we experience vivid hallucinations (which many have taken as the first glimpses of the afterlife), not unlike those hallucinations of people like military pilots who undergo high G-forces that drain the blood from their brains to their extremities. But after that, my guess is that all experience ends forever.

[seedbare]

we have all, been dead, before we were born ,and thats where we will return. but i choose to believe in a mystical afterlife as it provides meaning to my existance, inhale,hold, exhale.,oooophsh

[beachguy in thongs]

Everything they ever told us was a lie. In English schools, American schools, it was all a lie, Canadian schools, we can't forget them. Mexico, Puerto Rico, Las Vegas. We don't live here from before, we are the only ones, the first one who died in your life, was the first generation. They all lied, there is no such thing as family tradition, or Einstein, it's all a joke, everyone here is there own story, nothing is true, only one knows it all and he's running this game where we all find answers and dispute them.

[seedbare]

the first one to figure it out will have all revealed to him/her one to great evil and another to great power even godhead.

[andruejaysin]

You die, that's all, nothing else. Even if you are religious, then God gave you a lifetime, isn't that enough?

[chisme]

I just want everyone's beliefs on where you go when you die. As for mine I believe you go to the cave of creation where you see all the stuff you could have had if you played your cards right then you walk through a door with you spirit name on it and you become a spirit once again where you are awarded with a new color that spins within you. Some people end up in heaven or hell but they are just illusions created from such strong belief and you have to see through the illusion to leave.



when i die i beleive that it will just be blank,dead,end, nothing there at all but some times it seems better then this. :(

[Polymirize]

Where would you go when you die?

What is this so called "you" everyone keeps talking about anyways?

[Monkey4Sale]

When I die, I'm dead, and don't go anywhere. eventually I decompose and get transfered into the soil, where I end up as food for some animal. but the moment my brain turns off, it doesnt effect me anymore.

[InvincibleArmor79]

when a person dies, what happens to their "energy"? is it transported to a "heaven" or "hell"? is the energy left to remain amongst the living? i have heard the soul is shown their path of life, relivin all the pain and all the happiness they felt durin their life... i guess the ultimate answer will never be known because no one here has died, so this is an unknowin subject...

[acidtrip]

Can you remember a time before you were born? Didn't think so. So why should we have some sort of afterlife? Just a thought.

I believe the afterlife is something artificially created to give humans hope, but unfortunitly there is no after life, we're only here for a while, so make the most of it!

Peace