Forget about Harddon, Thats not the image problem

[snow owl]

This belongs in Feedback & Sugg. but thats a lost abyss on this site. The real image problem on this site is adults encouraging youngsters to be successfull with their grows. Adults inquiring about youngsters' sex lives. Granted, some adults add don't grow in your parents' house without their permission. But thats not really adult guidance or showing them options for a life unadulterated by drugs. Let them reach our paths as adults. Secondly, this is cannibis.com, so why are other drugs discussed at all? On one hand the site works toward the legalization of cannibis, but it is counter-productive to the cause when opponents see a bunch of junkies on the site how can they not see the medical arguement as a front. As for me I prefer decriminalization over legalization. I don't want Phillip Morris and the poison tax of the gov. ruining quality and taking money out of my pocket. Its easy to screen for youngsters on this site. Kick them off. Get rid of the junkies or change the name of the site to a more fitting name.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Well, guess where this is getting moved to...

[Encatuse]

This guys been here for a month and a half and he already knows how to run it better then you, beeble.

Maybe you should make him a mod?

[/sarcasm]

[Beeblebrox.420]

Heh. If we took HIS suggestions, we'd be glued to our computers all day, deleting posts and banning memebers we though might possibly be underage. At the end of the rainbow, we'd have about 10 members left and a handful of on-topic posts. :D

[Cannabis.com]

1. We have NO age restrictions - cann.com is NOT an adult site and thus visitors of all ages are welcomed...

It's better folks, regardless of age, are informed - get the facts; much of the information here is no more explicit in detail than what one may find in any decent library/bookseller; borders, amazon.com, bn.com, etc.

2. Mods lightly moderate the boards - we try to keep things mellow here ...

Yes, folks may talk about other stuff too within reason, assuming it's done so in the correct board topic area(s).

3. This site operates in the U.S. and is protected by the 1st amendment; natural law; common law - discussion of growing, etc is legal...

If something is overly offensive, one is free to report it, but should understand it may be left up; mods don't see everything and/or may choose to overlook it for whatever reasons.

Ron

[Encatuse]

I always like Ron's posts. They're always so... without bias. I would be tempted to eat someone like this guy if I was a mod or the administrator. You guys keep it clean. Thanks mods/ron. We love you.

[NowhereMan]

This belongs in Feedback & Sugg. but thats a lost abyss on this site. The real image problem on this site is adults encouraging youngsters to be successfull with their grows. Adults inquiring about youngsters' sex lives. Granted, some adults add don't grow in your parents' house without their permission. But thats not really adult guidance or showing them options for a life unadulterated by drugs. Let them reach our paths as adults. Secondly, this is cannibis.com, so why are other drugs discussed at all? On one hand the site works toward the legalization of cannibis, but it is counter-productive to the cause when opponents see a bunch of junkies on the site how can they not see the medical arguement as a front. As for me I prefer decriminalization over legalization. I don't want Phillip Morris and the poison tax of the gov. ruining quality and taking money out of my pocket. Its easy to screen for youngsters on this site. Kick them off. Get rid of the junkies or change the name of the site to a more fitting name.

get that stick out ya butt there pal
this is not a place for having 'uppity tudes'
age limits? hahahaha
taxes ?? listen if not for taxes you would have NOTHING around you.
i dont mind paying taxes on what i buy,ONLY greedy ones mind
do i like high taxes NO,but no taxes is not good
we need them to help those who are less fortunate.pay for infastructure
i would hope they TAX the weed and help biuld hospitals ,schools , hell animal shelters anything that helps everyone .
cig companines would ruin our smoke,? you think.?
i think they be competing to provide the best myself
becuase the one with the BEST will get the $$
so i tell ya ,your the clueless one
id rather have a 15 yr old willing to learn here
than you with your attitude
and that is just my opnion
peace

[Torog]

Howdy and Good Mornin NWM,

I was wondering,what's yer opinion of the mess I started with HarDDon ?

I had this foolish,knee-jerk reaction to the naming of his plants..I foolishly thought that the women here,would git sick and tired of the derogatory and demeaning names that he had for his plants..seems that maybe it wasn't nearly offensive as I thought..What say you ?

[NowhereMan]

Howdy and Good Mornin NWM,

I was wondering,what's yer opinion of the mess I started with HarDDon ?

I had this foolish,knee-jerk reaction to the naming of his plants..I foolishly thought that the women here,would git sick and tired of the derogatory and demeaning names that he had for his plants..seems that maybe it wasn't nearly offensive as I thought..What say you ?
hope ya day goes ok torog
me on the male tops smoking session,No bud today
and
i find it shows just how he thinks
and it is offencive to me a lil cuase its like saying females are less than others
i only call bitches ,bitches
peace

[snow owl]

get that stick out ya butt there pal
this is not a place for having 'uppity tudes'
age limits? hahahaha
taxes ?? listen if not for taxes you would have NOTHING around you.
i dont mind paying taxes on what i buy,ONLY greedy ones mind
do i like high taxes NO,but no taxes is not good
we need them to help those who are less fortunate.pay for infastructure
i would hope they TAX the weed and help biuld hospitals ,schools , hell animal shelters anything that helps everyone .
cig companines would ruin our smoke,? you think.?
i think they be competing to provide the best myself
becuase the one with the BEST will get the $$
so i tell ya ,your the clueless one
id rather have a 15 yr old willing to learn here
than you with your attitude
and that is just my opnion
peace


As far as the stick, I leave that one alone. As far as phillip morris and the poison tax, your in the dark on how the world really operates. They would grow on a scale you cant imagine, who has time to remove males, we'll just de-seed as we add in 250 some odd chemicals in the automation process. etc,etc,etc. So have fun smoking your year old chemically preserved pre-rolled joints. Boutique growers? Not without a tax permit to grow, which would be limited if not non-existent on who got them through the lobbying powers of Phillip Morris. Just like in 1937 MJ Tax Act which was a Tactic to bi-pass the constitution and still prevent MJ availability because at the time mostly minorities used it. So why would they compete when they influence gov. Poison Tax... I'm bored as the tax was a side note to my real concern. Maybe your right, I'm uppity. Maybe we should just sit back with the youngsters, crack some beers, smoke some joints, and watch some porn like good buddies. Dude you are nowhere.

P.S. WAS NOT GOAL DRIVEN TO ATTACK MODS IN EARLIER STATEMENTS.

[snow owl]

Did not intend to get into a name-calling game. My original statement was not an attack, but a defense for children and ligitimate medical MJ activists. No, Im not a medical smoker. And decriminalization and not legalization would still generate taxes through citations and you would stay out of jail, and supposingly legit corporations would still stay out of the game(due to the nature of PR). Underground boutique growers would face less risk and expand operations, price would be driven down but balance profit due to expansion. Everyone wins.

P.S. I don't see how being here a month and a half effects knowledge derived from a life of learning. There's food for thought one can learn from members who don't have veteran status. For veterans to imply the opposite, could be equated to a form of suppression to maintain some inigma of power status.

[NowhereMan]

As far as the stick, I leave that one alone. As far as phillip morris and the poison tax, your in the dark on how the world really operates. They would grow on a scale you cant imagine, who has time to remove males, we'll just de-seed as we add in 250 some odd chemicals in the automation process. etc,etc,etc. So have fun smoking your year old chemically preserved pre-rolled joints. Boutique growers? Not without a tax permit to grow, which would be limited if not non-existent on who got them through the lobbying powers of Phillip Morris. Just like in 1937 MJ Tax Act which was a Tactic to bi-pass the constitution and still prevent MJ availability because at the time mostly minorities used it. So why would they compete when they influence gov. Poison Tax... I'm bored as the tax was a side note to my real concern. Maybe your right, I'm uppity. Maybe we should just sit back with the youngsters, crack some beers, smoke some joints, and watch some porn like good buddies. Dude you are nowhere.

P.S. WAS NOT GOAL DRIVEN TO ATTACK MODS IN EARLIER STATEMENTS.


Maybe your right, I'm uppity. Maybe we should just sit back with the youngsters, crack some beers, smoke some joints, and watch some porn like good buddies. Dude you are nowhere

now did i say to do that?or imply it somehow?
no i did not and i agree with that yes your uppity part


see i plan on growing mine anyway.or having a RX for it
and medical quality would be just that ,CHECKED out for such
right now the street shit can be grown in toxic waiste you wouldnt know
so that they will fuck it up crap is bullshit.they would have so many feds up their ass checking and rechecking it not be funny,it would be up to the buyers of what got marketed cuase THE best would sell and the rest wouldnt
supply and demand,look into it
now im sure they be some bullshit on the markets,generics and all
,but YOU will have the chioce to get 100% grade a budds,or not
reading the fucking labels sounds like a plan,

i think you would just like it stay the way it is?
let me guess,you make money off it now? or what
and no i dont expect a answer dont be dumb enough to come back about how YOU deal or something just know this.it dont matter.

medical cannabis users would have grade A prime stuff if it was legal
they could afford to buy it and even grow it,
and if phillip morris makes some money,i dont care
if the goverment gets taxes,i dont care
so long as WE aint criminals for using our meds id be happy
anyone who cries no dont legalize it cuase the will tax it or ruin it
needs educated
and im nowhere.lol thats so dam funny
enjoy ya day

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

My original statement was not an attack, but a defense for children

Do you really think "children" come to this site? I think the lowest anyone has posted there age is 12-13. Is that considered children?

[Cannabis.com]

That's basically right on ... the lowest age of visitors tends to be around age 14 ... while not exactly adults, they're certainly not children (ie. under age 12 +/-) either.

Ron

[NowhereMan]

That's basically right on ... the lowest age of visitors tends to be around age 14 ... while not exactly adults, they're certainly not children (ie. under age 12 +/-) either.

Ron
there is no way you can check ID;s in this place and i luagh about that some.
i dont think many get that fact .

and i do think some 14 yr olds are more mature than some 20 yr olds been on here,sure we get the random kid thats a kiddie type,but they seem to not last due to the way they treat others nothing to do with age but immaturity and it shows,they seem to think of the place as yahoo type deal and blah blah there way to the shitlist,
peace to all

[BalliN]

why have an age limit? its illegal to everyone...where its illegal...

[Beeblebrox.420]

Robert42, I've deleted your post. Please, do not post asking for a member to be banned; it just creates unnecessary negativity and possibly exacerbates an already inflamed situation. I will remove any such requests I happen to see. If you have an issue with a specific member, we ask that you please contact one of us privately - there are contact emails for many of the mods in the Sticky at the top of this forum.

[robert42]

yes i know this sorry. didnt think

[Beeblebrox.420]

It's all good. I've dealt with the issue, in any case. :)

[Fengzi]

From what I've seen most of the older folks here, like myself, try to offer the younger folks genuine advice based on our life experiences. I personally think it is great that they have a place where they can get ansers. I didn't when I was their age. The hardest part is trying to offer our advice without sounding like we're patronizing them or being hypocrites.

Sure, sometimes their questions are about sex. I haven't seen anyone here trying to lure anyone into having sex with them, however. Some of the kids here are asking very legit questions and since they're asking here they're probably not getting answers elswhere. What are we supposed to say when they ask about sex? "Sorry kid, you're too young for sex" Do you really think they'll stop? No, they'll just go out and have uneducated, possibly unprotected, sex and most likely go away figuring it's usless to ask adults for advice.

As far as " showing them options for a life unadulterated by drugs" is concerned, are you fucking serious? How hypocritical would that be? I've smoked pot for 22 years, I've got no right to tell some kid they shouldn't do it themselves. I do try to steer them away from drugs like heroin and meth, however, but also let them know that I have tried them myself and know from experience that they are bad news.

I have a 2 year old daughter and hope that when she's older she'll know she can always talk to me about sex or drugs if she has a question. I will always be totally open and honest with her. In no way, shape, or form, however will I ever "back with the youngsters, crack some beers, smoke some joints, and watch some porn like good buddies" I feel sorry for your kids(assuming you have any) if you can't see the difference.

[DonnieDarko]

Just my 2 cents ....

The site is what it is .... an open forum without age restrictions. If adults are uncomfortable conversing about mature subjects w teens, then don't do it. If we feel the urge to control someone elses "offensive" post .... don't do it. If it's really that bad, there is a process .... report it to a mod.

Just remember pplz, the mods are not full-time post monitors. They are subject experts who volunteer their time and are here to make us smarter. The reason why alot of us come here is to get smarter.

As far as adults conversing with teens: The best thing we can do is be role models. Lets tell teens the truth about this hobby, when appropriate How there sometimes can be risks to what they are doing and sometimes their parents are right.

We are all trying to make this a great site, and I respect the ideas/concerns mentioned on this thread (even tarog :) ). If we ruffle each others feathers, so be it.

The bottom line is that the members all should tolerant and respectful of the larger community, and we can let the mods and Ron handle big the problems.

[ballin4Real]

kids will be kids and adults will be assholes no matter what age you are you are a fucking retard and all who disagree with that have a unrelenting ego and should be shot. Taxes suck Everyone knows that the rich get richer the poor get poorer fuck having weed legal for everyone that is ridiculus their are negative sides of weed no matter what anyone says but people who are dieing and are sick need medicin and they should not be deprived of it if weed was legal for everyone you would have 12 year olds giving money to people old enough to buy it just like cigs and no one and i mean no one should smoke anything until their are mature enough and are able to make educated decisions and highschoolers are not old enough to make thier own decisions they are still kids and need to realize that they dont know everything

[snow owl]

I'm trying to let this subject go, but people insist on antagonizing me and deviating from my message. Im not an evangilist, nor a hyporcrit. I will smoke pot everyday of my life. Everyone says pot is natural, but is it really natural to burn and smoke it? Is consuming just food and water seem more natural in human lives? Look, kids now are not allowed to consume legal drugs until a certain age. There are reasons for this, and maybe everyone doesn't agree with those reasons, but I do. And yes Ive seen inquiries of curiosity, not necessarily seduction, of adults to youngsters.

AND YOU FENZI, are not these childrens parents, and as sincere as your honesty may be, perhaps their parents would not appreciate you guiding their childrens' lives. Kids have a lot to focus on to become successful adults, and I think they need all their wits to cope with it. I'm not preaching dont smoke, but I do. Im saying I wont influence a kid down that path with a toast, let them grow up first, then the choice is theirs. And don't feel sorry for my kids, but if you bring them into a conversation again, just to attack me, I come find you. Lets keep it fair play.

over&out and sorry everybody wants to pervert my words.

[maryjanemama]

What age were you when you started smoking pot? Just curious to find out....I was 18, but, most people I know were A LOT younger. This site is for information about cannabis, first and foremost. After that, people will talk about whatever they please, just like in regular conversation. Sometimes those conversations deviate off onto other drugs and that's OK, too, there are forums here for other drug topics.

The mods and Ron do the best that they can, while at the same time trying to live their lives. If there is something truely offensive, report it to a mod. After that posting thread after thread with bitch after bitch will get you NOWHERE, take that from those of us that have been here longer than 6 weeks. Sometimes the truth hurts.

I'm with you, Encatuse, I don't how Ron and the other mods control themselves sometimes.

[potpimp]

? Look, kids now are not allowed to consume legal drugs until a certain age. There are reasons for this, and maybe everyone doesn't agree with those reasons, but I do. .



People that think 16 year olds shouldnt be allowed in bars is just encouraging them to drink on the edge of cliffs, on rooftops, on the freeway. Its about harm reduction, 16 year olds should be allowed in bars, they are in europe and its perfectlly fine. Age restrictions cause more problems than they solve. We should be teaching kids about drugs not letting learn about it on the street. How many times have kids come here and asked about the oldest urban myths? Is my weed laced?, is there rat poison in acid? etc etc. We combat that and it makes things safer. Kids will do drugs regardless, here they can learn to be safer doing it.
And i want pot legal, who says it will all be phillip morris growing it? You can grow your own baccy if you want chem free stuff, no one says you need to buy marlboroughs. I want to buy weed in stores, period. I want to pay taxes on it. Decrim means i still have to buy from the black market, i live in a freaking shoe box i cant grow. I fail to see how you have some crystal ball as to how legalization would be. Holland doesnt have a bunch of big business growing it, they have a bunch of small grows and works just fine.




"And decriminalization and not legalization would still generate taxes through citations"


No, Fuck that. Totally forget that. Who gets charged for weed now? Blacks, the poor, kids, the homeless. Rich white people never. No fucking way is that fair that people who dont have a home to smoke it get busted, and no one else has to pay.




"Underground boutique growers would face less risk and expand operations, price would be driven down but balance profit due to expansion"



I am against underground growing. Permits, having the juice wired up to code, etc are what is important. Underground makes it still the criminal gangs, still hidden, still dangerous. Above ground growing, in safe places, not an apartment, thats the ideal. We want to stop fires, fert filled weed and gang rip offs, not stop some corporation from making money. I dont have a problem with peeps growing their own, but the benefits from big companies doing it would greatly overshadow any downsides. If people want organic, trust me the market shall decide. You can go up and against phillip morris, just because people will want the weed grown by the little guy, thats cared for. I pay more to drink beer from the micro brewery, because i like it better than bud.

[NowhereMan]

What age were you when you started smoking pot? Just curious to find out....I was 18, but, most people I know were A LOT younger. This site is for information about cannabis, first and foremost. After that, people will talk about whatever they please, just like in regular conversation. Sometimes those conversations deviate off onto other drugs and that's OK, too, there are forums here for other drug topics.

The mods and Ron do the best that they can, while at the same time trying to live their lives. If there is something truely offensive, report it to a mod. After that posting thread after thread with bitch after bitch will get you NOWHERE, take that from those of us that have been here longer than 6 weeks. Sometimes the truth hurts.

I'm with you, Encatuse, I don't how Ron and the other mods control themselves sometimes.


with bitch after bitch will get you NOWHERE,
i like these words
:)
they fit the other way to
nowhere you will get with bitch after bitch

is that my future i wonder?
hehehe

btw i was 11 and never looked back
self medicated my self thru school

[Beeblebrox.420]

Who gets charged for weed now? Blacks, the poor, kids, the homeless. Rich white people never. This is untrue. See this page (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4439) on the NORML website. Most of the people listed here are rich and white, and all of them are either rich OR white.

[BILL THICK]

All we need now is terrorist message to blow a hole in one of the message threads, maybe that would put it all in perspective.......ehhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!I don't think so. "Why can't we just all get along"? The glass really is half full unless we want it to be half empty. Alot of great information to be had here and some very generous and subject educated and experienced people who are giving up their time and information to help those who need it. Seems the opportunity being provided by them should be appreciated. It doesn't seem to me that whining, bickering, mud slinging, and the likes is showing them much appreciation. So hey,.... what do ya say.... " Let's roll" another!!!
Love and Peace.... what a concept!!!