am I out of line ?

[Torog]

Howdy Zandor,

I'm wondering..am I out of line for griping about HARDDON's choice of names for his plants ?

Have a good one ...

[Torog]

Howdy Zandor,

I'm wondering..am I out of line for griping about HARDDON's choice of names for his plants ?

Have a good one ...
Howdy Zandor,

I should have said that you should look at my reply to HD's thread,about his update. As the father of a wonderful daughter,maybe I should have made my anger,more clear..if I could reach through the computer screen,I'd beat HD to a bloody pulp:mad: ..if he ever talked like that to my daughter..and I'm gittin sick and tired of him using his plant names,as an excuse to demean women.

I hope that you understand my anger...

Have a good one...

[Zandor]

No Torog, you have the right to free speech same as he does. I agree with you 100% on a personal basis. I have even asked him and some others to please stop and show respect for other members. The only way we will grow is to add new members and they will not want to stay and get to know us if their first impression is a post with plant names like that. That behavior makes us all look bad IMO.

Just because you have the freedom to use disrespectful speech doe that mean you should?

But:

As much as I defend your right and opinion as well as mine. That also means I must defend his rights as well. My moral or personal feelings are just that, personal. They are not policy so I feel my hands are tied. I was not the mod who banned him and I don't know why he was banned in the first place. We can only hope he will get the point and join the rest of us in moving forward and making this a better site for everyone.

Accurate information
Respectful debate
Mature behavior

All of that will make this forum one of the very best on the Internet for cultivation information and research.
I guess we still have a way to go to get to some people but I like to think we will improve for the good of everyone.

Some say I take cultivation to serious, there right I do!
For some cultivation is just a game like seeing who can pee the farthest to show how big of a man they are.
For most of us cannabis is what gets us through the day. What we use to control illness and pain in our daily lives.

Yes I take it very serious, why don't you?

As a member driven site I can only hope others like you will step up and spread the word.
Thanks Torog I needed that.

[AngryJohnny]

Howdy Zandor,

I should have said that you should look at my reply to HD's thread,about his update. As the father of a wonderful daughter,maybe I should have made my anger,more clear..if I could reach through the computer screen,I'd beat HD to a bloody pulp:mad: ..if he ever talked like that to my daughter..and I'm gittin sick and tired of him using his plant names,as an excuse to demean women.

I hope that you understand my anger...

Have a good one...

have not read much of yours, but it allways seems to be violent. :mad:

[Torog]

Howdy Zandor,

I'm glad to oblige :)

Yup..this why I would not make a good mod,I expect adults to behave in a decent and respectful manner..if we don't--how can we expect to be respected or taken seriously ?

I git pissed off,everytime I see folks using the word f*ck,in their thread title,can't they put that word in the subject of the post..and not the title ?

Feel free to lock this thread or delete it altogether..I should have done it in the FeedBack forum,because this forum is for cultivation,and I apologize for that.

Have a good one !

[BobBong]

I'm with Torog on this, i've already voiced my opinion about HD using pretty derogatory terms for his plants...all be it.. he can do whatever, say whatever and name his plants whatever he wants. But honestly.. it's offensive, and i'm not even a woman. It's offensive in any situation and it's offensive to disrespect Marijuana.

But that's just me.

Frankly i wouldn't trust Harddon to sit the right way on a toilet, let alone respect a very holy plant.

[Torog]

I'm with Torog on this, i've already voiced my opinion about HD using pretty derogatory terms for his plants...all be it.. he can do whatever, say whatever and name his plants whatever he wants. But honestly.. it's offensive, and i'm not even a woman. It's offensive in any situation and it's offensive to disrespect Marijuana.

But that's just me.

Frankly i wouldn't trust Harddon to sit the right way on a toilet, let alone respect a very holy plant.
Howdy BobBong,

Well said Sir !

Have a good one !

[newgroweroldsmoker]

I'm with Torog on this, i've already voiced my opinion about HD using pretty derogatory terms for his plants...all be it.. he can do whatever, say whatever and name his plants whatever he wants. But honestly.. it's offensive, and i'm not even a woman. It's offensive in any situation and it's offensive to disrespect Marijuana.

But that's just me.

Frankly i wouldn't trust Harddon to sit the right way on a toilet, let alone respect a very holy plant.


I agree,
it's rightful to give any name to any plant BUT it sounds awful to call a plant 'whore&cunt' AND moreover it seems UGLY to my eyes when i look between the threads in this forum and see the words CUNT & WHORE....apart from peaceful, this forum is propably the most interesting, polite&quiet one i've ever been... threads like this ruin the good image there is all around.....i do not like swearing to be honest and i would never call a lady with ugly words no matter if the lady is a plant or not.....show some respect to your ladies other than breathing on them and feeding them.....
also i do not think that your plants would like to know that you have named them like that......
but then again i think that everyone is characterised by his/her friends, so my friend whoever you are if you call your ladies cunt&whore how would they call you? i'm pretty sure that you (all) already know the answer....hehehe!


NGOS;-)

[HARDDON]

:) :) :)

As you guys sit here, hiding your plants, growing an illegal crop, assisting and posting pics of your illegal, against the law, punishable by prison time herbs....

you have the gonads to demean my choice of words and names for plants?

Here torag......tell your little girl daddy likes marijuana during her DARE program. Tell her that Daddy smokes illegal plants.

Tell her that daddy smokes / grows plants that could make her an orphan for 5-10 years.

You put her in far more precarious situations than I ever could do by calling my plants what I call them.

Hell lets just make this forum a sweet little community where we pull out our Sunday church clothes and be good to one another, then get dressed back in our farmer clothing to grow our illegal goods.

I cant believe you guys wanna smoke herb and yet play "Moral Might."

And as far as people who 'need' to smoke because of health reasons...

well I bet my bottom dollar if the good Lord made bad health go away, 99.9% of them would still be firing up the bowls.

Good Lord...with all the problems in the world, you guys wanna soap box what I name my MJ plants.....

Sounds to me like you guys aren't harvesting enuff or the shit you do harvest isn't strong enuff.

GIve me your addresses and I will mail you some cunt and whore so what I name my plants won't offend you so much.

Free of charge.

waaaaaaaa!

Now...go back to your own ILLEGAL activities and leave my naming plants what ever I choose....which by the way ....

IS LEGAL.

[unmeg]

all i can say is welcome to the heman women haters club!!
stil it is your right hradon,I dont hide what I do from my family,I educate them on it!!!

[sheist]

HD.. i'll take u up on that offer.. email me if ur serious

and i agree with HD..

1) cunt actually refers to an area of that region, i can't remember where.. either that or some of the juice itself..

2) whore.. well that can't be excused

but..

HD names his plants Bitch n Hoe.. I'd rather an "inanimate" object be called a bitch/whore/cunt than a woman. And I've seen it first hand, I called a girl a bitch across the street one day. She didn't acknowledge it. Real women have the selfrespect and confidence to not even be phazed by it. So the only ppl who would take offense to those words are the ppl who have that connection to it..

And how could u get mad at him callin a plant a whore? I just came out of high school, where teen guys label other things as "gay" n call whoever "fags". Aside from that the GIRLS call eachother "bitch" and "slut" and soforth. If ur that adamant about ur opinions, you'd fight the battle where it really is.

Yea, ur entitled to your opinion. but until you can cure cancer or resurrect that hopefulwanderer's passed wife, i'm pretty sure u have no right to cast judgement on HD.

Making a second thread just to attack his credibility, reaching out to Zandor for sympathy seems overall pathetic. Looks like a malicious and ambitious attempt "rally forces" and remove him.

Yea, you have a right to worry about your daughter, but in a secondary sense, don't worry about your daughter. If you raise her right, she'll keep going about her business, oblivious to someone yelling "Bitch!" from across the street.

[SyKo]

man banned from pot growing web site for slandering his pot plants

i can see this on the front page of the newspaper anyday now :|
why would you start a new thread on this subject,if this is bothering you this bad
then i would say cancel your internet service cuz your gonna end up a basket case
from the other things you might see online

[sheist]

now now... no need to chastise him for chastising someone else.. let's be the bigger man here..

[HARDDON]

Sheist...

you damned right i am serious.

give me your email.

Unlike many people here, I stand up to what I say.

I will mail you a nice joint of cunt or whore.....when dried and cured. Just like I sent one memner a 250W HPS unit and another one 2 125W CFL tubes....

Free of charge.

I may sound like a dick, but I would give most uman being the shirt off my back if they needed it.

Even a whore or cunt.

I travel 12,000 miles away to go chase terrorists in regions where boulders are as big as buidlings and see some towel head tuban wearing fucks aiming RPG's at us and blasting them 25 feet in front of us.

And some of you have the nerve to cast judgement upon me.

Some even say they can or would beat me to a pulp...

(good one there torag...i would pay to see that one...cuz you must be one bad assed mother fucker....)

But some of us prefer to sit and judge while doing jack shit.

Preaching to the wrong congregational member here.

Love,

HARD ON

[Marc Benson]

If there is a demand by the majority of the people that post in here (or the owners alone), there are programs that you can put in all words you want to 'ban' from use in a forum such as this and those words are just seen as ****. Easy resolution to a problem that I see as a 'non issue'. People take too much precious time out of their lives worrying about such things.

HD. Thanks for being a part of the mechanism that protects the rights we all hold so dear in this country. I salute you and anyone else doing such things.

[Beeblebrox.420]

I need to point out to you people that there is no such thing as a right to free speech on a message board, or in any privately-owned setting. Business can fire employess for cursing or inappropriate language, and message board owners can allow or disallow whatever forms of expression they wish. The First Ammendment only refers to govenrmental censorship.

That said, although I am not personally fond of HARDDON's choice of names, this is not the issue I have with him. It is his often abusive attitude towards others and the routine spewing of gratuitous invectives that I will not tolerate. He can call his plants whatever he wants, but when he starts verbally abusing other members that is over the line. I'm glad he's decided to rejoin us, since his growing expertise is invaluable, but if he persists in the behavior for which I suspended him previously, no amount of expertise will keep him here.

HARDDON, I sincerely hope I have your understanding and cooperation in this matter. Ok?

[sheist]

....cat fight...

[HARDDON]

Beetlejuice...

I have no problems abiding by the terms of your tolerance of me.

While I maintain steadfastly that I have NEVER, ever ever, NEVER EVER EVER abused another member who did not cast the first stone, I understand and thak you for allowing me to be me.

You have my compete understanding and cooperation.

But tell me...where torag says he would reach thru a computer and beat me to a pulp, is it then ok to reply in like???

Can you ask him to private me his address so we can see what he's really made of???

Just wanna make sure I know the rules.

But i am refraining very hard (i said hard again...hehehhehee) from telling people what I normally would....

I just ask that it goes both ways.

And thanks for the bessing to call my WHORES a WHORE, my CUNTS a cunt and blah blah blah....

CUM BUCKET gettin ready to show her stuff......
CUM EATER and CUM GURGLER are all gettin ready and dressed and putting on their whore perfume and slut short skirts :)

I am here to help as I love to help people.

I love to see a gumby plant turned into a work of art.

Really i only get in trouble when I am provoked....shit all i try to do is help.

Yes, you have my understanding and cooperation.

Even when bobbong says I cant be trusted to sit on a toilet, I said nothing.

I am doing good arent i????

[Beeblebrox.420]

I have no problems abiding by the terms of your tolerance of me.

While I maintain steadfastly that I have NEVER, ever ever, NEVER EVER EVER abused another member who did not cast the first stone, I understand and thak you for allowing me to be me.

You have my compete understanding and cooperation. This is all I ask. I agree that I have not, to my knowledge, seen you attack first but you do tend to overdo it when replying. I dont expect you to be all sunshine and roses, but just dial it down a notch or two and I'll be happy.

But tell me...where torag says he would reach thru a computer and beat me to a pulp, is it then ok to reply in like??? No. But by the same token it is not alright for him to say things like that in the first place. You hear me, Torog? There will be none of that as long as I'm here. People will disagree, but I ask that they at least do as civilly as possible. I want people visiting these forums for the first time to have a favorable impression of us. Can we all agree on that?

Thank you, HARDDON for your cooperation and understanding, and welcome back.

I just ask that it goes both ways. As do I.

I am doing good arent i???? So far, so good. :)

[HARDDON]

Your hear that TORAG?

No more threatening people thru a computer screen.

Now moving on with our lives...... :)

[newgroweroldsmoker]

Unlike many people here, I stand up to what I say.

I will mail you a nice joint of cunt or whore.....when dried and cured.

I may sound like a dick, but I would give most uman being the shirt off my back if they needed it.


I travel 12,000 miles away to go chase terrorists in regions where boulders are as big as buidlings and see some towel head tuban wearing fucks aiming RPG's at us and blasting them 25 feet in front of us.

And some of you have the nerve to cast judgement upon me.

Some even say they can or would beat me to a pulp...

(good one there torag...i would pay to see that one...cuz you must be one bad assed mother fucker....)

But some of us prefer to sit and judge while doing jack shit.

HARD ON




ok ok ok.....let me show you someone who stands up and talks.....


i will break your bones now hardon with my language not with my ak-47
(serious seeds) hahahahaha!

hey hardon tell me something.....

when you go to battle you fight for your country right?

what for exactly do you fight?

Do you have any idea what is the real purpose of your existence as a soldier?


Do you fight for your freedom?


I do not think so!


Or for your independence?


Is america or canada (your home country) under seige or attack?


Not that i know of......


Have got any idea what for you are fighting?


You, almighty fearless pvt Hard-on?


.....you fight for the money......


you are a professional soldier,


a common butcher who does not care about shooting people,


just doing your job i guess.....


you are a human being that has failed everything else in life and decided to apply in the army,


to join the almighty american army, bullying the entire globe with guns and expect people to show respect and graditude for your effort


.....i am sure you are a proud american Hardon....


anyway you do what you have to do in your job (it's your job asshole not your national duty).....


don't expect us to thank you and feel proud of you.....


respect is a two way thing and from what i see you don't even respect yourself


i do not care if you are the mega super dupper guru of cannabis growing,


i do not care if i get banned (i was planning to change nickname anyway)

i know i am out of line now but hey HARD-ON i couldn't resist it, i had to say this to you.....just because you are a soldier and you grow cannabis the legal way all these do not make you better than me.....also, i noticed the leaves on your plants look a bit droopie.....take a better look at them cause with the bitch cunt whore and all the nice words you use they seem a bit neglected......


hahahahahahahahahahahahahah



THANK YOU FOR BEING PROUD OF YOURSELF.....hahahahahahahahahaha


aaaa let's go home to sleep now.....ladies and gents time to get banned!

BYE-BYE


an new era is coming for me ;-)


NGOS:)

[Beeblebrox.420]

Obviously someone has no idea what it means to be a soldier. Forgive him, for he knows not what he says.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but if it weren't for those willing to serve their country, you would not be here. I can assure you that is true, newgroweroldsmoker. Nor would this website be. Nor your precious freedom of speech. You dare to lecture someone about respect, all the while showing the height of disrespect. You, sir, are an ass of the lowest order. I'm not going to ban you - there wouldn't be any point. Stupidity isn't really a bannable offense.

[Zero Revolt]

Personally I don't think Hardon is or ever was a soldier. You can tell by the way he writes that he is a teenager. If hes in the army he's just a drummer boy. Hardon I just cannot belive that your sitting here telling us that were immoral people because we grow and use cannabis. Your doing the same exact thing we are you numbskull. By the way that low blow you made at Torog about him smoking cannabis while having a child was pretty fucked up man. You gotta be a real fucking scumbag to bring someones children into it. The only point he was making was that he's afraid of his daughter ending up with a scumbag like you who degrades women. Dude I used to respect you alot but after this thread I see I was wrong all along about you. After all what do you expect out of a guy who names himself after his penis? I mean think about it who in the hell would name their plants such screwed up disgusting names? I personally don't even think you belong here because it's obvious you don't give two shits about the experience of growing cannabis just the rewards you'll reap in the end. If you were like most people and enjoyed the experience why would you ever name your plants like they were two sluts? I don't care what your response to my thread will be because like the rest of your replies on this topic I'm sure it will be as lame and childish as the rest. In closing I don't care what you name your plants and just like Torog I have two little girls but I can spot a scumbag a mile away. After all I spotted you did'nt I?

[sheist]

I agree with B.B.


you are a human being that has failed everything else in life and decided to apply in the army

who are you to assume that he's failed everything n chose the army as a last resort? you don't kno what he's been through. i've seen PLENTY of ppl go to the armed forces willingly blowin off scholarships.. scholarships.. i kno a few students who graduated to go to the marines, the navy, and the air force, cus they wanted to and they loved it. I remember my freshman year them babblin about the marines n how awesome they were n shit. you can't assume everyone is in the armed forces because they can't do shit else for them selves.. I definitely beg to differ.

he chose willingly to serve in the armed forces. to protect the whimps, bitches, and pussies such as urself, who sit behind their computers worrying about the next product to boom in the market, or the next liquidations or promising affiliations n other dumb political shit. all in all.. but you have that luxury..

you have that luxury of not going into a 100º+ battlefield on foreign terrain to smite those willing to die just so see YOUR organs smeered across the streets... to smite those willing to sacrifice to get one peek at your lifeless body. THATS how much you're worth.. THATS how important YOU are.
You should be dead. Be thankful.

[sheist]

Hardon I just cannot belive that your sitting here telling us that were immoral people because we grow and use cannabis.

You fail to look at the big picture.. Let me pull it out of the frames for you..

if you checked correctly.. he was implying to shut the fuck up.. jeebus said "he without sin cast the first stone.." and Hardyboy is just reinforcing the equation..


By the way that low blow you made at Torog about him smoking cannabis while having a child was pretty fucked up man. You gotta be a real fucking scumbag to bring someones children into it.

Its not about the children homie.. Torog pops all this shit about how he doesn't want his daughter brought up in such a world, while she lays to rest in her bed every night unbeknownst to the fact that the jackass is growin enough shit to have her sent off somewhere until she can't even remember the fucker. Hardyboy is just callin it out how he sees it.

-> side note { My car's called Bitch.. you got a problem with it? } <-

if u two were that worried for your children you would't be doin shit to jeopardize them or their future..

[StealYourFace]

shit i agree w/ sheist in that you didnt see hardons point, and i also think that Oldsmokenewgrow is a dumbass




Is america or canada (your home country) under seige or attack?


Not that i know of......


NGOS:)
How many more 9/11s do we have to have before you realize that we and other countries are under a constant threat which needs to be dealt with. Many will agree that Bush is not going about this in the correct manner. Whether or not i agree with that is irrelevent but i do believe it is complete ignorance to degrade someone fighting for our country.

[Nochowderforyou]

I think people should be able to say whatever they want. This is a FREE website, you pay, I know I do anyways, NOTHING to be here. So you're basically bitching about something you get for free! It is something you have to put up with and if you can't handle a few bad words, then I'm sorry, you are one prudish motherfucker. There are already too many bullshit laws and bylaws out there and now you want to band words from a free website, free speech website, where we conduct illegal activities. I'm sorry, I see NO sense in this, at all. You're growing an illegal product yet it is wrong to use bitch and whore, sorry cunt and whore?

It is the name of his plants. Where is this female human body I'm not seeing that he is referring to? I see a few plants, with some humourous names, that he HAS the right to name what he wants. Who the fuck do you think you are telling him that he's wrong? Fuck off internet policeman, let us do our thing the way we want.

[HARDDON]

Lets see here....

I am a paid mercenary...

I am a teenager...

I am a coward, scumbag, loser...and some other things...etc...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok ok ok....

Have it your way.

I am so rehabilitated after my weeks banning, that I find alot of the responses here rather funny and I honestly don't even have the desire to strike back.

HARD ON<-------thinks maybe some more people could benefit from a ban besides himself....

But hey, thats cool....

Feel about me the way you wish.

I love you still.

Fellow stoners.

The thing that does bother me is the part about not giving a shit about my country. The anti-american stuff.

Yea...

That bothers me.

I have seen too much ugly to even begin to express my revulsion over that.

It does remind me though, that sometimes, the strong have to protect the weak.

If thats my cross in life....I shall proudly carry it.

Even if it is for the village idiots.

I did what I did...and I would do it again...for free.

You think I need money?

Do you really think I need money?

What a fool you are and the sad part is you have no idea who the fuck you're talking to.

Where I have been.

What I have seen.

The things I had to do.

When you lay your head on your pillow at night...you can sleep tight because of scum like me.

And I am one of the understanding ones....

Talk this trash in some places and you might not be so appeciated as you think you are.

Thanks for all the input...

Bettlejuice has spoken.

I can call my plants whatever I like and there;s not a damned thing you can do about it.

I intend to call them what I want.

[Zero Revolt]

I think people should be able to say whatever they want. This is a FREE website, you pay, I know I do anyways, NOTHING to be here. So you're basically bitching about something you get for free! It is something you have to put up with and if you can't handle a few bad words, then I'm sorry, you are one prudish motherfucker. There are already too many bullshit laws and bylaws out there and now you want to band words from a free website, free speech website, where we conduct illegal activities. I'm sorry, I see NO sense in this, at all. You're growing an illegal product yet it is wrong to use bitch and whore, sorry cunt and whore?

It is the name of his plants. Where is this female human body I'm not seeing that he is referring to? I see a few plants, with some humourous names, that he HAS the right to name what he wants. Who the fuck do you think you are telling him that he's wrong? Fuck off internet policeman, let us do our thing the way we want.

Uhhh....Torog pays to use this forum as do several others. No that does not mean that they are immune to the childishness that the rest of us must endure from some people on these forums. After all there are assholes and sickos all over the world so why would this place be any exception? In addition someone made a comment about Torog and I growing cannabis even though we have children. Keep in mind that some of us use it for medical reasons and not recreational purposes. I'm well aware that it's illegal either way but thats a risk that I take. I love my children with all of my heart and I know that it sounds bad that I grow. But are all of you growers out there living alone? Don't you younger ones have parents or older ones have husbands and wives? Don't you think that your putting your loved ones at risk by what you do? I would lay down and die for my children and I would also grow illegal substances to sell for my children so that I would be able to buy them more than what my job can give them. They have never once seen my operation nor have they ever seen me smoke marijuana. Why don't you think for a second how stupid that sounds losing your children for growing plants. I know it can happen and it does happen all the time but there are precautions that you can take to lessen that event from ever happening. That risk entered my mind the moment I concieved growing however I took extra precautions from the start to lessen those chances from not growing in my home to buying C3 Anti-Detection Film. I know that does'nt make it any better but it sure as hell reduces the risks. Put the law aside for a moment and remember that it's a plant from nature not something made in a lab.It's not morally wrong to grow just govermentally wrong to grow.

[Zero Revolt]

In addition Hardon I don't hate you I just don't like the constant bad words that you use but there's not a thing that I can do about it. I was harsh in my thread but that was my initial response. You have the right to say whatever you please it's just that not everyone here wants to see it. However if they want to continue to visit this site it is something we must endure. Did I ever tell you that I served in the military? I was a Spec 4 in the US army 3ID regiment for 4 years during desert storm but I don't agree with what you said about the people who are'nt in the service are weak. If these peoples homeland was overrun by the enemy and we soldiers were not here to defend them do not ever think for a second our civilians would not fight back against the oppression of tyranny. That just kinda pissed me off when you said that. If you are a soldier than you would remember how you felt before the service back when you were just a civilian. Are you saying if you were'nt a soldier you would'nt defend your country? I would expect more maturity out of a soldier than what you have shown up to this point in these forums. I know in my case all the times that I have faced death and watched my friends die all around me it has made me a more humble man.

[HARDDON]

ZERO KNOWLEDGE TEST.....

What a crock of shit.

You grow for medicinal reasons only....

Yea right...

This is why when you came here, you came out dictating your private email, outlining the demands you had to have people post so people could email you for you to be able to help them.

And no where did you state "I ONLY REPLY TO MEDICINAL GROWERS."

You're a stoner just like the rest of us.

Here...let me turn the violins up.

My heartfelt apologies to anyone who ONLY grows because they need it for pain / nausea / appetite enhancement.

Usually, you are the guys asking questions.....not the ones posting here is my email but only email me for advice if you answer these 15 questions......

Oh and I dont think it is morally wrong to grow weed.

I see a paradox though of someone blasting someone over morals involving children whilst all along doing something putting their kids at risk.

FUck.

I been out of the penalty box for less than 24 hours and the shit is stirred....

Well I DO know that 30 years from now, many people here, when they hear the term "HARD ON" will remember me.

Now thats making an impression :D

I am honored.

[sheist]

...... we all use it for medical reasons...

if ur job can't provide them with the shit they want, get another one... and i'd suggest u dont, it'll spoil'm ;-) but i'm not gonna tell u how to raise ur kids..


They have never once seen my operation nor have they ever seen me smoke marijuana. Why don't you think for a second how stupid that sounds losing your children for growing plants. I know it can happen and it does happen all the time but there are precautions that you can take to lessen that event from ever happening.

of course it'd be stupid to lose ur children and liberty because ur growing plants.. as it would be stupid to lose ur children and liberty because ur smoking plants, which is why most of us all support legalization.. HOWEVER.. it still isn't legal.. and they're still in jeopardy.. and from the quote i assume ur implying that u don't necessarily give a damn..


That risk entered my mind the moment I concieved growing
once growing was concieved.. it should've entered ur mind once ur children were concieved..

you neglect to see that fact.. instead you try and find ways to justify it. to justify jeopardizing both ur children's psychological and environmental well-being, as well as their reputation, considering the idea that you get caught and sent to prison and they're stuck to live with their mom as their father makes headline news and their classmates pick on'm cus their daddy's a drug-cartel, etc.. u get the point..

u can't justify it.. i'm younger than you and i'm telling you this..

just say it.. "i'm growin my plants, my kids won't know, and there aint a goddamn thing you can do about it." jus say it... after all there are assholes and sicko's all over the world..

[latewood]

Man...Let it go... the Mods are happy...Everyone should be happy; if we're doing what we say we are doing...smoke another bowl...
Hardon, Way to take it on the chin...Welcome back...I also believe your knowledge is valuable and you do help, so hang in there...maybe we can start an asshole's anonymous!..We all could join!..Oh and I'll accept a taste if your offering...latewood

[sheist]

wait in line! i'm 1st lol

Hardyboy.. PM me

[HARDDON]

Zero...

I never really had a problem with you until you dissed me pretty harsh.

But thats cool. We have both seen more than anyone should see.

And no....please no....

Dont put words in my mouth.

I never ever said or inferred civi's are unpatriotic or cowards or nothing else.

But when someone writes that American soldiers are bullies and all that trash well shit I gotta speak my mind.

The writer was insinuating we were killing bastards who do it for money and blah blah blah...you read the post....

That is who I refer to by the weak....not anyone else....

Ceratinly not you.

[HARDDON]

To all those who want to take me up on my offer of a sample of WHORE & CUNT, you must email me....I will not email you first.

RULE #1.

Email MUST come from a hushmail account.....

www.hushmail.com it is a free service

RULE #2.

I will reply from a hushmail account only.

RULE #3.

I will only send to adults over 18 years of age

RULE #4.

Only the first five replies will get one.

RULE #5.

Mods can have one and they dont count against the totals :)

RULE #6.

If you ever bitched about my plant names, you are ineligible.

[Zero Revolt]

Hardon you know damn good and well that when a new grower has a question they never supply you with all the information you need to analyze their problem. Thinking back on it I think it was a stupid idea but I was new to this forum. Since then hundreds of posts later I see how this place works now. I thought it was a good idea and made it easier for people to ask a question and get an awnser the first time without making this one huge confusing thread. But then I saw that alot of people took it the wrong way and that was never my intention. But if you have to use things against me that are months old than thats cool. This is just a forum and I really don't give a shit. The people who e-mailed me asking for help were thankful and thought it was a good idea. As for the remark about endangering my kids you are right it is a risk I'm taking but that does not mean that I love them any less. As for you Sheist I'm not trying to justify what I do because I'm old enough to know the risks I take. I know exactly what can happen. But you see the whole problem here is my fault. If I kept my mouth shut about Hardon's initial post I would not have started this flame war that I cannot win. In the end I'm the guy growing cannabis when I have kids and that makes me look like shit. The other mistake I made was getting too personal with you all. If I never said I had kids in the first place you all would'nt have any fuel for your fire against me. If I'm a sicko for what I do then at least I'm not the only sicko here that does it. Oh and Hardon if you thought that people would be grateful because you joined the military to defend them then you were very mistaken as most people dont care. How many of you look up a fallen soldiers name or cry for a fallen soldier. I know before I was ever one I sure as hell did'nt. Fine you win I'm just a sicko for growing cannabis while having children. You win a cookie.

[Zero Revolt]

Oh and I love you all anyways.

[HARDDON]

ZERO...

Hey I just trying to put this to bed for the rest of the year...

I wasnt talking about you and the kid thing.....

It was the assclown who posted that his daughter, so precious and innocent, blah blah blah.....

All the while he;s growing weed and hiding it from her.

Had nothing to do with you at all Zero....

Hell I was noticing your location and thought next time I'm around Langley I'l love to hook up with you.

Your flame caught me off gaurd a bit is all.

Never crossed paths before.

Nothing against you Zero....

Strength & Honor Bro.

Its all over gang....

LEts all let it go.

new day...new dawn....new flowers to smell....














(unless your bobbongs plants)

[Psycho4Bud]

To all those who want to take me up on my offer of a sample of WHORE & CUNT, you must email me....I will not email you first.

RULE #1.

Email MUST come from a hushmail account.....

www.hushmail.com it is a free service

RULE #2.

I will reply from a hushmail account only.

RULE #3.

I will only send to adults over 18 years of age

RULE #4.

Only the first five replies will get one.

RULE #5.

Mods can have one and they dont count against the totals :)

RULE #6.

If you ever bitched about my plant names, you are ineligible.


So what's your e-mail address at hushmail?

[sheist]

we don't even kno ur email address..

[HARDDON]

oh...

sorry i got stoned here and forgot.... :D (i do that all the time )

wtf else would it be?

[email protected]

[Psycho4Bud]

Thanks bro, message sent.

[sheist]

Zero.. i'm not tryin to cast judgement.. i'm jus tryin to enforce the jeebus rule i mentioned.. not callin u a sicko, u do u.. but i was jus sayin not to talk like ya shit don't stink, cus shit was made to stink, n i call things how i see'm.. not tryin to cast hard feelins n wutnot, i just want to grow, smoke, sell and be merry.. u may have a point about ppl takin for granted the commerciality of war, oblivious to reality.. there are number of ppl.. i wasn't one.. my brother joined the air force, so i wasn't one them, n i thus spoke.. no hard feelins

[Torog]

Howdy BeebleBrox and HD,

Originally Posted by HARDDON
"But tell me...where torag says he would reach thru a computer and beat me to a pulp, is it then ok to reply in like???"
"No. But by the same token it is not alright for him to say things like that in the first place. You hear me, Torog? There will be none of that as long as I'm here. People will disagree, but I ask that they at least do as civilly as possible. I want people visiting these forums for the first time to have a favorable impression of us. Can we all agree on that?"

Message recieved--BeebleBrox...will do....

I over-reacted and threatened the use of violence,I apologize for that..and I won't do it again.

To HD.. I also apologize to you..I had no business making physical threats against you.

Now then..for some facts: My daughter is grown,she's 25 years old and lives far away from me,she's always known why I smoke marijuana,mostly for medical use and as an alternative to alcohol. I don't grow where I live at and I'm careful to keep a low profile. I'm a Navy vet and I can't but help to respect your service,however,I also believe that every soldier,should think of themselves as an ambassador representing America..good conduct,is preferred..but I also can't help but feel that you've earned some leeway in regards to your free speech rights.

I lived in Saudi,drillin water-wells there,so I know quite a bit about fundy islamic rule and sharia law..I've seen how muslim men treat their women-and it ain't pretty. I thought that you were a juvenile,who'd named his plants thus,so that you could use the derogatory names everytime you posted about them..and git a sick satisfaction from doing so.

Down here in Texas,we treat our women like ladies and I come from a culture that believes in decent behaviour and speech,as well as respect,towards others and I reckon that I can't expect such high standards from everyone,in the America of today,such standards are ridiculed and thought of as politically-incorrect..I should have known better.

I also thought,that most of the women here,would object to the names you've chosen..I reckon that I was wrong about that too.

So...I will just grit my teeth..and bear it..and I think it's best to agree to disagree...and leave it at that.

Have a good one....

[newgroweroldsmoker]

Obviously someone has no idea what it means to be a soldier. Forgive him, for he knows not what he says.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but if it weren't for those willing to serve their country, you would not be here. I can assure you that is true, newgroweroldsmoker. Nor would this website be. Nor your precious freedom of speech. You dare to lecture someone about respect, all the while showing the height of disrespect. You, sir, are an ass of the lowest order. I'm not going to ban you - there wouldn't be any point. Stupidity isn't really a bannable offense.



I know what it means to be a soldier, i have been to the army, served my country, i did my NATIONAL DUTY....did not do it for the money and above all I did not do it so as to come over here and claim respect for doing it......

Thankfully i come from a small peaceful country, the one country that has served as a model thoughout the ages, the country that brought to the civilisation terms and words that you american people use in your everyday life and kill and rape and destroy in the name of.......words like DEMOCRACY come from my country.....

if though there is one word that can describe plainly america that is TERROR and people like HARD-ON are among the representatives,,,,,
but hey HARD-ON and the rest of your supporters, you're just a puppet man.....

you fight against the AFGHANS&IRAQIS&YUGOSLAVIA and you think you fight against terrorism, what you fight for is for money, so don't lecture me about ideals and liberty and freedom.......(TAKE A LOOK @FARENHEIT 9-11)
just because someone blew the twin towers doesn't mean that your country is in danger,
the danger lies among the dirty games your politicians play......
picture this:every american president has connected his name at least to a war.....when BUSH comes down, another one will be president, even the new president will be involved to a war, a war against terrorism? yeah right......america is selling guns now as we speak, propably on black market......you see, you guys need situations like this, otherwise where to are you going to sell your guns and technology......all these guns are going to protect your freedom right, no, these guns are going to be used by tyrrants, by real terrorists (not the ones you invented) and in the end are going to turn against you as well....it's happenning every day....bottom line america feeds with guns the globe!

i know it's hard to accept that your country is the real terrorist here but think about it, after all it's a fact that usa is the most hated nation on earth just because of it's politicians, oh well, the people make the politicians,
hey HARDON you're a puppet who is clever enough to grow cannabis (even a monkey can grow) and smart enough to get a lisence to grow it for medical reasons, maybe, but stop being an ass......


what i can say is that some of you are plainly brainwashed by the media and think that your politicians are doing their job as they should..use your brains and switch channel a bit, don't watch only CNN....when you will find yourselves under some foreign power, only then you will be able to value your freedom, until that happens don't lecture me and moreover do not try to get respect from a GREEK who knows the real meaning of the word DEMOCRACY, TYRRANY & FREEDOM OF ANY KIND


NGOS:)

[latewood]

sent message@hushmail.................................. ..........................................
In view of some of the content, the ridicule of soldiers or marines...I JUST WANT TO SAY...I lost one of the best men I've ever known in Nasiriah the 3rd day of the war, I truly believe they wrote psalm 23 about Phil,...Phil was a Gulf War Vet. and did not have to go(bad Knee), but despite that, he went stating, I'll save alot of them young boy's life, off he went...He was ambushed when the Taliban used citizens to wave white flags at Nasiriah 3rd day of war, and when the Marines walked in they were killed!!! Phil left a wife and 2 kids...We have a yearly Golf and Bowling tournament to honor this great man...GSgt Phillip A. Jordan, Lima Co. 3rd B...Thanks and God Bless you...You are a hero our minds...I wrote this after reading the entire thread, so that some of you can realize that this war is real. To some of us it has effected our lives more than just being a political stand or subject of debate...So again, Thanks for the sacrifice Phil!!!
We can all lay our heads on our little pillows, and sleep soundly while our plants grow!

[latewood]

Hey newgroweroldsmoker...I'm sorry, but you are full of crap!!!

[sheist]

(TAKE A LOOK @FARENHEIT 9-11)

after hearin this i can agree with latewood..

Farenheit 9-11 was a major fabrication, and if you stuck to watchin American television, you woulda seen it was blasted much soon after. The ppl who were interviewed, were interviewed AGAIN by SOMEONE ELSE and have admitted they were put up to it.. so don't try n use that..

u claim we're the terrorist, but its funny how a bunch of guys claim no affiliation to us and blow up 3, if not, more buildings by crashing planes into them.. with their friends to paddle to a battleship (if i'm not mistaken) and blow THAT up, and their other chums running off and bombing ANOTHER country's subways.. and more of their chums bombing ANOTHER country's subways.. Yes, 2.. Madrid and UK.. and they claim no affiliation.. but we're the bad guys.. I see..

or another country refuses to disarm its weapons for the good of humanity, NOT talking Iraq. we're still the bad guys.. And for the record I was referring to N. Korea.

or countries that refuse to let their ppl out of the country, referring to Cuba. and to my knowledge Communist China is trying to have a race of arms with India.. but we're still bad guys..

but you don't get it.. your ancestors and forfatheres layed the groundwork for most of our countries, granted that. but ur country doesn't mean shit today tho. not that i'm trying to badmouth it, but don't try and seek praise for the work of ppl hundreds of years before your lineage was even contemplated. i'll give the props to ancient greece, but today, greece aint shit when it comes to it..



Conscription was established, directly and expressly, in Article 4, paragraph 6, of the 1975 Constitution. According to this all Greek males who are capable of bearing arms - with sole essential criteria being their physical and mental capacity to bear arms and respond to military life - are obliged to contribute to the country's defence, as determined by the law. Conscription is further regulated by Law 731/1977, as amended in 1988 (1763/1988).

now by seeing this and reading your "know what it means to be a soldier, i have been to the army, served my country, i did my NATIONAL DUTY....did not do it for the money and above all I did not do it so as to come over here and claim respect for doing it...... "

looks to me like you were forced to serve, Mr. Freedom-of-any-kind
which is why you have human rights activists protesting today for concientious objection... riiighhht.... you hypocrite..

[newgroweroldsmoker]

after hearin this i can agree with latewood..

Farenheit 9-11 was a major fabrication, and if you stuck to watchin American television, you woulda seen it was blasted much soon after. The ppl who were interviewed, were interviewed AGAIN by SOMEONE ELSE and have admitted they were put up to it.. so don't try n use that..

u claim we're the terrorist, but its funny how a bunch of guys claim no affiliation to us and blow up 3, if not, more buildings by crashing planes into them.. with their friends to paddle to a battleship (if i'm not mistaken) and blow THAT up, and their other chums running off and bombing ANOTHER country's subways.. and more of their chums bombing ANOTHER country's subways.. Yes, 2.. Madrid and UK.. and they claim no affiliation.. but we're the bad guys.. I see..

or another country refuses to disarm its weapons for the good of humanity, NOT talking Iraq. we're still the bad guys.. And for the record I was referring to N. Korea.

or countries that refuse to let their ppl out of the country, referring to Cuba. and to my knowledge Communist China is trying to have a race of arms with India.. but we're still bad guys..

but you don't get it.. your ancestors and forfatheres layed the groundwork for most of our countries, granted that. but ur country doesn't mean shit today tho. not that i'm trying to badmouth it, but don't try and seek praise for the work of ppl hundreds of years before your lineage was even contemplated. i'll give the props to ancient greece, but today, greece aint shit when it comes to it..




now by seeing this and reading your "know what it means to be a soldier, i have been to the army, served my country, i did my NATIONAL DUTY....did not do it for the money and above all I did not do it so as to come over here and claim respect for doing it...... "

looks to me like you were forced to serve, Mr. Freedom-of-any-kind
which is why you have human rights activists protesting today for concientious objection... riiighhht.... you hypocrite..


oh yeah, you call me a hypocrite now?

you must be very ignorant especially within the field of history, you have no idea propably why i HAD to go to the army.....

you're just another ignorant american who has no idea of where GREECE is....

plus you're so much consumed by the american way of life that you do not realise that it's your country that causes all these brutalities to happen around the globe in the name of liberty freedom and democracy.....

i'll tell you why you make war in irag, simply because iraq has the biggest oil reserves in the world....that's right, your country is in deep shit in the energy field (i do not think there is a single open minded person that can disagree with me on this) and that's why you have spread your troops all around the world.....

and why you have done that?


to protect the freedom of who? of what? only to protect the financial interests of your country.....


you also have no idea why GREEKS you say are meaningless to you maybe, open a history book and look how many centuries my country was free....


i'll tell you what, we were under the turkish opression for over 400 years....that's right, no evolution in any field for over 400 years....my country has suffered a lot but in the end we gained our liberty...and the list goes on


during wwII we had the GERMAN opression for 5 years.....what did your country had ever to face?
ok, pearl harbor only.....then again this is nothing compared to the atomic bombs in NAGASAKI&HIROSIMA.....ring any bells?


Face it man and admit it, your country never sends troops where there is no financial interest.....and stop claiming respect because you fight against terrorism, that's just the cover.....



You want to know why i had to go to the army? yes i did not like it....it is like a waste of time but i'll tell you why.....


simply because there is a nation nearby (TURKEY) which looks at us like a hungry boy looks the candies in front of a candy shop.....


your great nation wanted an ally in the east.....and the winner is.....TURKEY....a country that has still generals interfering with the politics....


so, for a long time you have supplied arms and planes etc to the turkish goverment so as there is a constant threat and instability in the meditteranean sea.....why? there are oil reserves in the meditteranean sea as well....tell me something now....why the hell does america get involved into the meditteranean sea? as far as i know america is very very far away and both countries have stable governments......


Pay attention, I said ''supplied'' not ''selling''....TURKEY had the plans and licence to build massive numbers of F-16 while GREECE HAD TO BUY them......


And now that the EU has formed and TURKEY wants to join in despite the american influence, the american army has to find other nations to establish bases there (you are about to lose the control over meditteranean), that's why you make wars my friend...in the end you try to have bases all around the wolrd so as to be able to transfer troops all around at any given time and chance.


Just like the war in the YUGOSLAVIA (don't tell me bullshit about opressors of liberty there either, i've been there, before and after the us bombing)......don't give me the crap excuses and bullshit that your media channels have already fed you....


i would love to see the american troops fighting battles against equals, body to body.....but then again all you can do really is to fight using satellites and bombing people from a distance using B52 B2 AH-64 etc.....and it's the technology really that saves up your asses not your skills.....without the technology you are pussies.....the history has shown that either.....whenever a civilian bus was bombed filled with children it was the satellite to blame, because the picture was not clear enough and thought to be a military formation while in reality it was a refugee convoy........


respect whoever needs to be respected, i do respect the guy who fell fighting for his beliefs but i dis-respect the way that this incident is being used to poison the minds of people and mis-lead them......


i can justify a war for liberty and freedom, my country has had many wars like these, we never attacked and became opressors in a foreign country.....it's much better to leave countries solve their problems by themselves.....bottom line: who the fuck do you think you are to involve to another countrys' politics?


SHEIST stop being full of shit copying-pasting articles from the Greek Constitution and try to learn more about the history of other countries as you come from a country that has no real history.... a country that has stepped on other peoples.....imagine man, 250-300 years ago you were fighting into a civil war because you had slaves to serve you.....i guess there were some civilised people among you and thought about civil rights etc....but again it's all about politics.......



sorry guys if i went a lot out of order, i'll try not to reply anymore on this thread as this has end up to be a politics thread in a cannabis forum.....and i really hate politics....i felt like i had to tell you a bit because you seem to be living in another world from the one i live into.....


anyways pass the joint and lets chill cause i do not think that is going to change anything in the end....


NGOS:)

[Zandor]

This thread is moved moved to the Politics part of the forum.

It's takes great control not to just delete this too.

[HARDDON]

NGOS....

If it werent for the Americans....

The entire planet would be under the rule of a 'Hitler' style government.

I wont attack you personally....

I dont do that anymore.

But just imagine how I feel towards your views.

I think maybe you should move to France....you will have a lot of people who share your views.

BTW....

I like US military bases all over the globe. :) :) :) :)

The more the merrier :)

[ickystkyme]

this is crazy shit

hey hardon..you know, i thought until today you were one of these 15 year olds in here? you DO demean women and you do use things like names for your plants to show that..i am with torog here, totally..and as for everyone else here who is trying to shit on torogs good and well resepcted name, i will just leave you with this..

people only fear what they do not understand..

ick..

[sheist]

plus you're so much consumed by the american way of life that you do not realise that it's your country that causes all these brutalities to happen around the globe in the name of liberty freedom and democracy.....

N. Korea's, China's, and Cuba's communist decisions are not because of America, get your facts straight. They're decisions are obviously their own. You don't see a big banner sayin "Communism. America made us this way." don't even give me that shit..

so in order to preserve our oil status we'd go into Iraq and BLOW THE SHIT UP? Guess wat jackass, alot of our bombs hit the oil reserves. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose? Secondly, our efforts have raised the prices on oils and gases. Now tell me why we would try and jeopardize the prices, being the capitalists that we are..


you also have no idea why GREEKS you say are meaningless to you maybe, open a history book and look how many centuries my country was free....
Now..

but don't try and seek praise for the work of ppl hundreds of years before your lineage was even contemplated. i'll give the props to ancient greece, but today, greece aint shit when it comes to it..

I did, stupid, learn to read..


during wwII we had the GERMAN opression for 5 years.....what did your country had ever to face?
ok, pearl harbor only.....then again this is nothing compared to the atomic bombs in NAGASAKI&HIROSIMA.....ring any bells?

First off.. Pearl harbor was attacked by the Japanese, hinted from the nazi regime that we were a threat. How did we start out? by supplying the British with defenses. wasn't like we were playing in our sandboxes n shit.. we took initiative immediately.. don't get pissed at us cus YOUR country couldn't do the same, whatever the reason.


Face it man and admit it, your country never sends troops where there is no financial interest.....and stop claiming respect because you fight against terrorism, that's just the cover.....

Back to the WWII.. during and before if you had checked you history books, if they put it in there, the world (if i'm not mistaken) was in a great depression. so don't go try and puttin the whole weight on our shoulders with that financial interest crap.. WE ALL DID IT..


You want to know why i had to go to the army? yes i did not like it....it is like a waste of time but i'll tell you why.....


simply because there is a nation nearby (TURKEY) which looks at us like a hungry boy looks the candies in front of a candy shop.....

Theres the difference.. you served in the forces because you had to.. Our men, the men like Hardyboy, they served in the forces because they WANTED TO. They CHOSE To. They were PROUD to. You? You sound like you RESENT it. REGRET it.


that's why you make wars my friend...in the end you try to have bases all around the wolrd so as to be able to transfer troops all around at any given time and chance.

Since ur not in the US, you wouldn't have seen. We've been calling Saddam's bullshit for years.. Mainly part of the fact that he was witholding information about al qaeda locations, as well aiding. We didn't do shit for a minute, until we were attacked. THATS when we pulled out the serious shit. Hell, we coulda lit their asses a long time ago, but we didn't. Peaceful resolve. BUT we were attacked.. 3, possibly more federal buildings destroyed, 3000+ civilians killed.


i can justify a war for liberty and freedom, my country has had many wars like these, we never attacked and became opressors in a foreign country.....it's much better to leave countries solve their problems by themselves.....bottom line: who the fuck do you think you are to involve to another countrys' politics?

many countries fought for liberty and freedom. my country's had'm too. You leave countries to solve problems by themselves and you places like Cuba who refuse to let their people leave the country, nor enter. I got family in Cuba that i can't even see. Bottom line: who the fuck do you think you are to assume that someone's life and rights aren't equal to your own? (this wasn't directly pointed to you. its just a support for the previous statement.) we went into Iraq, which was originally left to solve problems on its own, and then can a totalitarian government led by Saddam, who killed innocent people and whoever did not like the way he ran things.. Now lets put some equation to this.. Lets say you don't like Hardyboy and the way he does things.. But you grin and bear it.. But word gets around.. so I come around and kill you and hide your body. Would we be wrong? of course we would. Now this is only an analogy, not a threat. And you mean to call us wrong for stepping in on this? Thats what they call Crimes Against Humanity. We stepped in, We caught him, and you bite your tongue at us.

And you insult our history as it were nothing, when the ancestors left their countries to establish an ordinance of real liberty. Which is why France did the same thing. Which is why France built us a fucking statue, big as a building. Yea we had a civil war that involved slavery, but that was not the main issue. Unlike you, I tried to read up on your country before preachin that jazz. Return the favor.

[sheist]

and ick..

people fear higher power.

people Learn what they don't understand. And before you try to make your points, thoroughly read this thread, or else you'll end up like me n torog knockin eachother's walls down.

[ickystkyme]

ummm, ok..no reason to pick on me here..

i am accurate in saying people fear what they dont understand and what are you on me about with the not reading crap? i didnt say anything but basically i am with torog..i DID read and i DO agree with torog..maybe it is also being a texan and all, i dunno..i DO know i did not post anything to warrant your remarks, so i will accept your apology..

ick..

[newgroweroldsmoker]

hey bottom line is tha american soldiers are pussies, relying on hi-tech to beat the opponents......

Germany lost the WWII because they made the mistake invading the Soviet Union, during the operation Barbarossa the German army lost almost 2 million soldiers due to the heavy winter there......don't lecture me about america, and how the world would be without you.....if it wasn't the american agressive foreign policy the world could still be a great place to live.....as for my country, we were liberated on our own, France did allow the Germans to pass through while we faught them with all means nessessary and available....even italians attacked us with no luck.....sadly the greek front has fallen when the German air force has dropped napalm bombs at the greek strongholds.....don't lecture me about history man, you have no idea what is happening to the world if you do not read books and try to be an open minded person to new ideas and concepts.....
as for the technology that you use nowadays and bully the world with it, this technology it's not american, you should know that when Berlin has fallen many secret projects of the German army have passed under american control and have been badged ''US property''......you are just like the romans who took over control GREECE and started copying the entire GREEK civilisation, no wonder why rome is full of statues and buildings looking like the Parthenon and the GREEK temples......
Hardon i do not have really anything against you man, i told you earlier you're just a puppet, in fact we all are puppets in the game of politics, simply because other people tell us what is right and what is wrong....they try everyday to influence me,you,him,her with ideas and ideals that they want.....they keep the truth from people to know simply because the truth is too brutal for people to know......after all you guys may think that all AFGHANIS are mean, terrorists-like, ready to kill you etc. (it's their drugs that are consumed daily by the american society i.e. heroin)....
i still suggest to read some history for your own good.....some reading never hurt anyone....i am not trying to change your mind on this, maybe i'm trying to broaden your horizons a bit and think that apart from america there are other nations in this planet.....
do you feel the same pride when you hear names like:Vietnam,Afghanistan,Iraq.....etc...how many americans have to die fighting for economic interests? I would justify your attitude only in the case you were fighting for your liberty....in any other case you suck, and in the end you will return home with the head down because in every war the real loser is the american nation and the winner is some multinational companies who make large bucks, and that's what you really fight for my friend....you are just a small particle of a big money creating machine.....

i'll give you a last example to sum up with everything i say.....
Imagine you have a field that you want to cultivate cannabis.....it's full of stones, rocks and bad weed.....you need to prepare the soil first, the ground for cultivation......Iraq is such a field....it's full of oil reserves but because it's foreign property it's hard to put your hand in it.....you send troops there because you want the oil, you send them with excuses that are going to convince everyone that saddam is an opressor and such.....saddam has fallen and the media networks rushed in to cover everything...to show the poverty of Iraqi people, to show what a bad regime Saddam has created.....in reality things would have been much better if OPEC did allow IRAQ to export and sell it's oil (iraq is not part of opec even though it still has the biggest reamining oil reserves)....why would OPEC not allow Iraq sell it's rightfully owned resources? simply because the price of petroleum sould fall....do you understand now a bit of what i'm saying?.....all these years the iraqi government would exchange oil for medical supplies,,,you see now who is the real opressor? an entire country was not allowed to evolve in the name of money....what makes me laugh even more is that your government may seem all powerful, the truth is that you people are the weakest, you are contolled by those few that control the capital, it's them who control your president....he is a puppet as well....can't blame him to be honest....it's the money that makes world turn around nowadays, not the gravity.....


so, returning to the example.....iraq=the future cannabis field.....iraqi rebels=bad weed that needs to be removed.....oil rigs=cannabis plants.....do you get it now? if not, then you will do propably within a few years time when the price of oil will be even higher, propably because you will be importing it from abroad, from a country that your glorious army has ''liberated from the opressor''.......only then you will realise why you fight now and for what purpose........finally the thought that there are american bases all over the world should somehow bring thoughts in your mind....sure it shows that you are a powerful nation but at the same time the most hated one, more hated than the Germans anyway......they bullied europe only, you guys bully the entire globe!!!!!!



NGOS:)

[highinspain]

War whats it good for...........

The war on poverty US lost
The war on illiteracy US lost
The war on drugs US lost
The Vietnam war US lost
The Korean war US lost
The war on terrorism we all lose

I wish america luck, but the rest of the world, the other 6.5 billion of us might get sick and tired one day and call your bluff

If you want to win remove all of the overseas US troops and bases go home and threaten to use nuclear bombs on any one who attacks you force the other leaders of the middle east to control their own people. I dont care if those people live in a shitty environment I dont and i enjoy my freedoms and Spain is not a world power we are just trying to live

When does it end?

[sheist]

if u did read, u woulda seen that my comment to you was by comparison not a pick-on :p

sry if u got offended tho..




don't lecture me about history man, you have no idea what is happening to the world if you do not read books and try to be an open minded person to new ideas and concepts..... i fight fire with fire.. and i wasn't lecturing about history, I was lecturing about the present, if anything.


this technology it's not american, you should know that when Berlin has fallen many secret projects of the German army have passed under american control and have been badged ''US property''......
here's a bit of correction.. german scientists left their country to the US and volunteered their services. Wasn't just because of the fall, stop trying to put a front up before everything and just call things the way they are.

and for ur info, Japan's the most hi-tech. :eek: i'm sure u kno that, so stop rallying us like we are.


an entire country was not allowed to evolve in the name of money....

funny you say that, because Saddam had millions to his name. Osama had millions to his name, he STILL does. it was a totalitarian issue. I stated my facts already, all you have to do is read them and try and be open minded to see that i do have a point, instead of lookin for the spots where i don't.

we can go on about this Greece is pathetic, America is pathetic shit.. thats what nationalism does. i'm proud to be an American. You're proud to be Greek. We have our ways. You have yours. But don't question our ways if u don't kno all the details, just as you didn't want me questioning yours.

all in all i'm tired of typing, i'm hungry, and i'm at work. we can get to this later lol

[Zandor]

N. Korea's, China's, and Cuba's communist decisions are not because of America, get your facts straight. They're decisions are obviously their own.Thatâ??s the idea behind communist the people donâ??t get a say. They could not have made the decision it was made for them.

Theres the difference.. you served in the forces because you had to.. Our men, the men like Hardyboy, they served in the forces because they WANTED TO. They CHOSE To. They were PROUD to. You? You sound like you RESENT it. REGRET it.I served myself, I signed up for money for college and because they paid for the gas for me to fly. I did my duty and honored my commitment. I even spent another year working for another branch of the government outside the US. I had no grand gesture in mind, but then we were the ones doing the attacking and not being attacked at that time. Times are different and this time they are given the respect and honor due the serving military. When you serve you have no opinion you follow orders period. Most of the serving solders are weekend warriors who join the reserves for money. They never thought they would see real action but now they are. Yes I have a lot of friends over there and no they are not happy but they are doing their duty. Their families are suffering at home but they are doing their duty. Just to put thing into perspective. The soldiers have no choice just follow orders and thatâ??s the way it is. Some did start out with altruistic motives but that soon fades when you watch your friendâ??s blow up just for giving candy to children. Or they get shot for just being there. They did not want to go over there none of them did. Nobody in their right mind does, trust me.

Since ur not in the US, you wouldn't have seen. We've been calling Saddam's bullshit for years.. Mainly part of the fact that he was witholding information about al qaeda locations, as well aiding. We didn't do shit for a minute, until we were attacked. THATS when we pulled out the serious shit. Hell, we coulda lit their asses a long time ago, but we didn't. Peaceful resolve. BUT we were attacked.. 3, possibly more federal buildings destroyed, 3000+ civilians killed. .You must forget it was Bush SR. that placed him in power in the first place. Bush Sr. signed contracts to build oil refineries once he was in power. Then Saddam changed his mind and wanted more money, and we gave it to him. Saddam is our fault.


so in order to preserve our oil status we'd go into Iraq and BLOW THE SHIT UP? Guess wat jackass, alot of our bombs hit the oil reserves. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose? Secondly, our efforts have raised the prices on oils and gases. Now tell me why we would try and jeopardize the prices, being the capitalists that we are. .The French had contracts signed with Saddam for them to buy and control the oil. The sitting government had to be removed to break those contracts. We blew up the oil pipes by design, how else could Halliburton rebuild them. Remember the secret contracts Dick Chaney signed before we were even told we were going to war. The same company he ran before he took the VP job, I wonder if there is a connection there?

First off.. Pearl harbor was attacked by the Japanese, hinted from the nazi regime that we were a threat. How did we start out? by supplying the British with defenses. wasn't like we were playing in our sandboxes n shit.. we took initiative immediately.. don't get pissed at us cus YOUR country couldn't do the same, whatever the reason. .Really we did not join in the war as quick as you are think we did. For well over a year we turned out backs. Thatâ??s why the French still hate us. They asked for our help and we turned out back on them and the Germans moved in and took over. Same story with the Greeks they asked and we did nothing. The Turks had access to oil and land mass large enough for military basis and were willing to sell it to us cheep.
History is written by the winners and is not always the true story.

we went into Iraq, which was originally left to solve problems on its own, and then can a totalitarian government led by Saddam, who killed innocent people and whoever did not like the way he ran things.. .True he did kill thousands or people. What about the Africa? More children are killed there everyday still today.
We as Americans were told we are going into Iraq because â??they are supporting Terrorist and have Weapons of mass destructionâ?�. That all turned out to be a lie. There are no Weapons of mass destruction and the only tie to terrorist is because we forced it. They aligned themselves with Bin laden only after we attacked them not before as Bush said.
Donâ??t start bragging about our Human rights records, what about the Native American Indians we killed because we wanted their land. We were the first to use biological weapons too ageist the Indians and the first to use the A-Bomb as well. 2 wrongs donâ??t make a right.
Iraq is noting but money, power and oil in that order. The solider on the ground dieing every day is due his respect by all means. Itâ??s the leaders of our country that should be ashamed of them self. We have not learned from out past mistakes in history and we will not learn from this one either. The winners write the history.
Yes we did help to free France but only after the Germans seized them in the first place. We were not as quick on the gun as you are saying we were.

[sheist]

*blown out the sky*

[BlueCat]

Wow Zandor I am impressed. :D I just love the people on CDC! You guys are so cool....There is wisdom and reason here. :)

[newgroweroldsmoker]

i think that it's time to close this thread, i have nothing against anyone here, we're all puppets anyway....thanx everyone for participating so far....seems that both ''sides'' have good points on this argument.....i agree with zandor....going to control if i got any replies for my future room.....the thread is out there somewhere....anyway sorry if i sounded like a jerk or something, i was a little bit high but that's no excuse....i'm cool with everyone here and hope you feel the same......history lesson over&out:)

NGOS:)

[nicholasstanko]

War whats it good for...........

The war on poverty US lost
The war on illiteracy US lost
The war on drugs US lost
The Vietnam war US lost
The Korean war US lost
The war on terrorism we all lose

I wish america luck, but the rest of the world, the other 6.5 billion of us might get sick and tired one day and call your bluff

If you want to win remove all of the overseas US troops and bases go home and threaten to use nuclear bombs on any one who attacks you force the other leaders of the middle east to control their own people. I dont care if those people live in a shitty environment I dont and i enjoy my freedoms and Spain is not a world power we are just trying to live

When does it end?


i just wanted to point out the u.s. didnt lose the korean war but they didnt win either. it ended without either side able to gain vantage point on the other. since resources were running dangerously low, they both called for peaceful cease fire.

i was letting you know in case you debated an idiot and he tried to tell you every claim you made is void because of one misconception.


all hail misconception

[Zero Revolt]

Damn are you all stilllllllllllll fighting? You were all arguing the same time last night.

[9ski9]

Uh, hey, Torog:

It took the French 300 years to publish accurate translations of Shakespeare's plays because they were so appalled by the street-level vulgarities.

The most prolific current American writer, Stephen King, has used a combination of at least two of the following words in all but one of his novels: fuck, cunt, pussy, whore, bitch.

Uh, how about some current pop music:
"We've got nothing better to do
Than killing fucking cops or just fucking beat 'em up
That's the best fucking thing we ever can do"
-----lyrics by Cop Killer Crew

And Harddon's choice of plant names has created exactly how much angst in your life? Enough so for you to threaten a felonious assault?

Harddon has gone out of his way to help quite a few newbie growers. I plan on naming the first confirmed female in my next grow "Hardonna". The first tiny-balled, faggy little male plant will be called "Torog".

And Texas really does treat women special, Torog; just ask the nine living on death row waiting for their injections.

[newgroweroldsmoker]

''And Texas really does treat women special, Torog; just ask the nine living on death row waiting for their injections''


I wonder what kind of brutal crimes these nine rightfully called ''bitches'' have done to the Texan society so as to execute them.....i do not know but i am pretty sure that they weren't just petty thieves or simple prostitutes though.
Hey fella, you can name your plants whatever you want this thread is dead, points were made by both sides and that's it....maybe you could honor that woman who waits her execution by naming your plant after her name..take a look here:

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/statistics/deathrow/drowlist/newton.jpg

somehow it makes sense to me now, death penalty is given when someone kills another....no comment!!!!!


NGOS:)

[9ski9]

Hey fella, you can name your plants whatever you want this thread is dead, points were made by both sides and that's it....

Who the fuck made you a moderator? Feeling a little full of yourself today? When asswipes bash someone that's been as helpful as Harddon on this MB, then I throw my 2 cents in.

And I couldn't care less what you think about death penalties. If you can't follow along as someone is making a basic point, then I'd recommend you type less.

[9ski9]

...as for my country, we were liberated on our own, France did allow the Germans to pass through while we faught them with all means nessessary and available....

I guess your not much of a historian. The French couldn't wait to build arms for the Nazis as part of the appeasement recommendations that your political majority endorsed; sort of like how they could wait to sell prefabbed reactors to Saddam.

Just facts, NGOS.

[maryjanemama]

I'm staying out of the politics of this thread because I don't what I am talking about. BUT, back to the main point, when did Harddon actually insult any women? As far as I know he's just naming his plants. I would only take offense if he personally called me or one of the other women on here a cunt or whatever. Maybe it's not in good taste, but, hell, who am I to judge that? They are plants, not actual people. Jeez Louise, I can think of about a hundred or so other things to get my panties in a bunch about other than what Harddon named his plants.

[newgroweroldsmoker]

nobody has made me a moderator nor i want to be one.......



you like facts hey?



take some and reply again, i'll be here waiting anxiously.......



t's a fact that this woman is a killer





it's a fact that she's waiting to die for the crimes she committed.....






if she was growing MJ she would die in Singapore






that's a fact as well






in texas i do not think the law orders the dead penalty if you grow cannabis........






that should be a fact







the USA is behind of,next to 99% of the wars,revolutions and fighting that takes place or has taken place around the world after WWII






And that is a FACT....no doubt here either.......





the russians connected their name only with the war in Afganistan






they LOST






and that's a FACT






just like you did





Vietnam





Korea





Ring any bells now?





Really, have you ever consindered how many casualties has the US military faced AFTER WWII around the globe?






Don't ask me numbers now, plz, you wanted FACTS....take some!!!!!!!!





NGOS;-)



PS.....in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN you think that you control the land there....well that's the impression you have now....one day one american soldier dies, the next 2 american soldier die, the next 5 of them die, and every day that passes the death count rises even more......you are going to lose every war you make and that has proven to be a FACT so far.....of course, you manage to spread Coca cola, philip morris and other american brands and way of life around the globe....i can't argue with that FACT as well.....what else do you need to realise that us is almost under every stone that exists where MONEY flows plenty????????
Also what you say about the FRENCH, that also proves that you are even bigger pussies.....imagine what would happen if Saddam bought the reactors...hahahahaha he may propably wanted to use them to get electricity for his people, we will never know now, at least though we can't use that against him, the sale never took place....someone must have had a different idea...i wonder who????????






that's what pisses me off,






it's like, You can only exist if you come with us






if you want to be alone we will not let you evovle, develop






it's like YOU want to develop the other nations and they are incapable of doing such things alone.......






this is called ARROGANCE........

[9ski9]

Saddam bought nuclear reactors from the French and the Israelis blew them up in an airstrike. Jesus, do you know nothing?

Why do you bother arguing if you don't know anything?

The French attempted to aid Saddam in becoming a nuclear power. Oil rich Middle Eastern countries buying a nuclear reactor for electricity? Who believes that?

My suggestion to you is to read more, NGOS. If you'd like a good historical reading list, then just let me know. Merely shouting at people and calling them pussies does not make you right; it makes you look stupid.

Catch up to me in another thread, though. Your stupid ramblings have exhausted my interest.

[newgroweroldsmoker]

''Saddam bought nuclear reactors from the French and the Israelis blew them up in an airstrike. Jesus, do you know nothing?''

And who's behind the israelis? Who supports them from the west (i wonder who) and they go out using their tanks and bombers? I told you once and i'm telling you again, as long as there is a financial interest the usa will be nearby waiting to fuck things up so as to rebuild......nice thought huh?
My suggestion to you is to kiss my ass and try to sell your garbage ideas to someone else, you may convince an 8-year old american boy that the us foreign policy is a peaceful one but not me.....
I think next comes India&Pakhistan, they have nuclear devices as well....or may be not, they are far poorer than you and very far from your country to attack, right?


The world is changing and your army is destroying it, piece by piece, don't you feel proud about it? Somehow, there are many things to be sceptical about, not only the war in Iraq or wherever there is one.....how about the people that die every day from poverty or the children who die from starvation in Africa.....they are doomed to die as long as people from everywhere spend their moneys into arms and weapons and stuff....sorry, i forgot again, Africa is poor nowadays....the diamond and gold mines are almost depleted as well along with the other resources....no financial interest there, why therefore should you ''help'' them?
That's why you're in Iraq, because you ''love'' them, you have decided to ''help'' them to throw Saddam and his ''evil'' regime so as to have another Saddam there, under your command this time....it's not the terrorists that you're after, it's the money.....
Plus one more thing, if the terrosists are far too many for the us army to cover and they start bombing your cities in america, then imagine what panic and chaos that would cause in the american cities....you would have military law within the nation and war everywhere else....what an achievement, wow!
Finally show some respect to the people that are foreigners and try to open your minds a bit, as you are a bit brainwashed by the media (i never watch tv).....


NGOS:)

[Psycho4Bud]

Great French deads....lets see:

Oil for food, or oil for corruption
By Michael Reagan

If anybody wondered why the sainted United Nations, France, Russia and Syria joined forces in trying to block the United States from ousting Saddam Husseinâ??s brutal regime in Iraq, the answer is now becoming clear; they feared exposure of the corruption into which they had dragged the now-infamous Oil for Food program.
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/conspiracy_theory/fullstory.asp?id=100

Chirac is Implicated in £500,000 Bribe Scandal
By John Lichfield
Independent
September 22, 2000

Jacques Chirac received £500,000 cash kick-back on public contracts when he was mayor of Paris, according to a video-taped confession by a former official of the president's party published yesterday. The confession, taped four years ago, three years' before the official died, is the closest direct link yet established between Mr Chirac and allegations of corruption practices in Paris town hall during his mayorship from 1977 to 1995. It might be called the smoking gun from beyond the grave.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/corrupt/governmt/chirac.htm

And I wouldn't brag about Frances WW2 practices either!!
Although the Nazis wanted the French to turn over all Jews, the French agreed at first to round up only Jews with foreign citizenship, many of whom were in France because they had fled the Nazis in other countries.

The first roundup took place in July 1942. In an early morning visit, in the 20th Arrondissement of Paris, French Police knocked on the door of the Mullersâ??Jews originally from Poland.
http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/factories/

Ever hear of the pot calling the kettle black??? :rolleyes:

[BlueCat]

Damn that Oil for food story is 5 years old Psycho...... :D

How about present day problems...like why does Venezuela feel the need to buy so many weapons to protect themselves against us?

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/2304.asp


Why are Brazil, Russia, India, and China aligning with Venezuela?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0420/dailyUpdate.html

http://www.trinicenter.com/world/venez.shtml

This is what our government is doing now....

[Psycho4Bud]

Damn that Oil for food story is 5 years old Psycho...... :D

How about present day problems...like why does Venezuela feel the need to buy so many weapons to protect themselves against us?

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/2304.asp


Why are Brazil, Russia, India, and China aligning with Venezuela?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0420/dailyUpdate.html

http://www.trinicenter.com/world/venez.shtml

This is what our government is doing now....

Don't know why their buying up the weapons from these countries but let them have at it...fact is...if we wanted...they would be dust. The crap their buying is a definate waste of their money. Maybe their afraid we could cut back on parts for the stuff they bought through us? Who knows??

Why are BRIC aligning with Venezuela...maybe for the oil? All these countries, including ourselves, are sucking the stuff down quicker than we can get it.

Food for oil an old issue? Not even close! Not till the Frenchies admit to being dirty asswhipes through the situation. Thats what I called ol' boy on. My countries so great and yours sucks...get serious! White flag flyin', nazi sypothizers, food for oil, crooked guilotine lovers!

[nicholasstanko]

Don't know why their buying up the weapons from these countries but let them have at it...fact is...if we wanted...they would be dust. The crap their buying is a definate waste of their money. Maybe their afraid we could cut back on parts for the stuff they bought through us? Who knows??

Why are BRIC aligning with Venezuela...maybe for the oil? All these countries, including ourselves, are sucking the stuff down quicker than we can get it.

Food for oil an old issue? Not even close! Not till the Frenchies admit to being dirty asswhipes through the situation. Thats what I called ol' boy on. My countries so great and yours sucks...get serious! White flag flyin', nazi sypothizers, food for oil, crooked guilotine lovers!

you really are arrogant arent you? you think that any altercation, the u.s. can take down THREE nuclear capable countries with another two providing militias and guerilla fighters? what world are you living in?


wake up psycho. the rest of us stopped watching gi joe ages ago.

[Psycho4Bud]

you really are arrogant arent you? you think that any altercation, the u.s. can take down THREE nuclear capable countries with another two providing militias and guerilla fighters? what world are you living in?


wake up psycho. the rest of us stopped watching gi joe ages ago.

Weren't we talking about the powerful country of Venezuela?

I stopped watching GI Joe ages ago too, difference is, I didn't make the switch to the Alex Jones Show! BWAAAAAHHHHH!!! :D

[nicholasstanko]

Weren't we talking about the powerful country of Venezuela?

I stopped watching GI Joe ages ago too, difference is, I didn't make the switch to the Alex Jones Show! BWAAAAAHHHHH!!! :D

but the link specifically said that ven. joined the pact with the BRIC with the intent to use the alliance to deter any american invasion. Sure, on its own venezuela cant do much, but what about russia and china?

You're living in a dream world if you think that america can even stand against china alone in our nuclear world.

[newgroweroldsmoker]

Iraq: What Are We Fighting For?
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6725


Senator Hollings Is Right
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2621


Who's Afraid of Venezuela?
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/holmquist.php?articleid=4680


Casualties in Iraq
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/



NGOS:)

[Psycho4Bud]

You're living in a dream world if you think that america can even stand against china alone in our nuclear world.

Hopefully we never have the chance to find out...fact is....we'd all be dead...EVERYONE! First the nuclear exchange, then the fallout. You think Canada would be a safe haven....now who's living in a dream world? :rolleyes:

[BlueCat]

I did not mean the oil for food story was not important, sorry. I worded that comment poorly. It has just been around a while. :p


The US was involved as well so I don't know why you are so upset with the other countries. There are crooks in all the governments. That is why you should read the BCCI affair. The problem is with the Oil corporations getting involved in politics. Bush knew this was going on in the UN why do you think he said nothing about Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich the US member involved?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99302,00.html

I like this paper on the subject.

http://www.pubtheo.com/page.asp?pid=1434 what do you think?

It always goes back to OIL.

The importance of the story in Venezuela is we started a coup in a country that was doing just fine on their own so that we could control THEIR oil.
This administration failed to figure in the WWW and the world was watching. The coup in Venezuela failed. Now Venezuela has turned from us to BRIC and Cuba.
Again our countries leadership has isolated us from the rest of the world.

I wish we paid more attention to what we as a nation are doing to others and less to what others have done, I wonder if will we ever come clean?

[nicholasstanko]

Hopefully we never have the chance to find out...fact is....we'd all be dead...EVERYONE! First the nuclear exchange, then the fallout. You think Canada would be a safe haven....now who's living in a dream world? :rolleyes:

now you're just reaching. i never made any mention of canada. How did you even remember that im canadian?

I lived in the bahamas for more thana decade. did you think i had dreams of running there too to escape the radiation?

[newgroweroldsmoker]

If it gets to this the wisest thing to do is to wear your sunglasses......i mean if the ''wonderful glow'' is seen nearby!!!!!


NGOS:)

PS.Are you familiar with C&C Generals Zero Hour (EA Games)????????

[nicholasstanko]

If it gets to this the wisest thing to do is to wear your sunglasses......i mean if the ''wonderful glow'' is seen nearby!!!!!


NGOS:)

PS.Are you familiar with C&C Generals Zero Hour (EA Games)????????

Im familiar with c&c. i never played the zero hour one. funny enough, i always played as the bad guys.

[newgroweroldsmoker]

the zero hour is an addition, more units, more generals and expertise...maybe the only way to see american military bases destroyed by the chinese tactical nukes....hehehehe

[nicholasstanko]

the zero hour is an addition, more units, more generals and expertise...maybe the only way to see american military bases destroyed by the chinese tactical nukes....hehehehe


maybe the game was made by psychics :(

have you ever played age of empires? the third one is out and you get to play as the French! i wonder if they have a retreat option automatically built in so you dont have to click it :D

[Psycho4Bud]

I did not mean the oil for food story was not important, sorry. I worded that comment poorly. It has just been around a while. :p


The US was involved as well so I don't know why you are so upset with the other countries. There are crooks in all the governments. That is why you should read the BCCI affair. The problem is with the Oil corporations getting involved in politics. Bush knew this was going on in the UN why do you think he said nothing about Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich the US member involved?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99302,00.html

I like this paper on the subject.

http://www.pubtheo.com/page.asp?pid=1434 what do you think?

It always goes back to OIL.

The importance of the story in Venezuela is we started a coup in a country that was doing just fine on their own so that we could control THEIR oil.
This administration failed to figure in the WWW and the world was watching. The coup in Venezuela failed. Now Venezuela has turned from us to BRIC and Cuba.
Again our countries leadership has isolated us from the rest of the world.

I wish we paid more attention to what we as a nation are doing to others and less to what others have done, I wonder if will we ever come clean?

Read the article, here's a few for you:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041118-120331-8156r.htm
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/frhance.htm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm
http://www.townhall.com/bookclub/timmerman1.html

And who in the hell are these Euro trashites in here think they are, their countries are far from clean!
http://www.iansa.org/regions/europe/documents/undermining_security/brokering_transport.htm

I'm sorry but all I read in here is what a bunch of assholes we are in the U.S.! Look in your own backyards and when you clean up the shit, then you can bitch about mine!!! :D

[stoner spirit]

Good old radiation poisoning, hahahaha.

[Psycho4Bud]

Good old radiation poisoning, hahahaha.

Hope your into bald headed chicks! :D

[nicholasstanko]

Hope your into bald headed chicks! :D

it must good to be able to laugh in the face of death and know that it wont do fuck all to save you.

[Psycho4Bud]

it must good to be able to laugh in the face of death and know that it wont do fuck all to save you.

Well, you can either laugh or be pissing your pants from day to day! Hmmmmm, piss-ing your pants....where did I see that? :D

[stoner spirit]

Hope your into bald headed chicks! :D
That's a nightmareish visual image... thanks Psycho. Even though I can't see if she has hair or not, I think I'd run just for safety measures.
:eek:

[newgroweroldsmoker]

maybe the game was made by psychics :(

have you ever played age of empires? the third one is out and you get to play as the French! i wonder if they have a retreat option automatically built in so you dont have to click it :D

I haven't played that version of AOE :(

maybe i should d/l it from the internet and see what you're talking about......sounds interesting though.....are the americans listed at the nations that you can pick or they have not been founded yet? lol


NGOS:)

[nicholasstanko]

I haven't played that version of AOE :(

maybe i should d/l it from the internet and see what you're talking about......sounds interesting though.....are the americans listed at the nations that you can pick or they have not been founded yet? lol


NGOS:)

nah i dont think they're in there. but i could be wrong. i dont think its been officially released yet.

[Psycho4Bud]

That's a nightmareish visual image... thanks Psycho. Even though I can't see if she has hair or not, I think I'd run just for safety measures.
:eek:

May not be all that bad!