Pros/Cons of bubblers?

[frosty1]

What are the pros/cons to using a bubbler system compared to other systems?

[LOC NAR1958]

I'm using a drip system and it rocks. the roots hang down in the water like a bubbler. I think I'll get some air stones to help out. Have not tried just a bubbler yet. If you do I saw some say go for the glass air stone things you can clean them out, stone I don't think you can. Do a search and read that's what i did. You can make them real cheap. Lights are what cost !

[latewood]

pros/self contained unit, properly maintained can produce high yields,
cons/must change out nutes every 7-10 days...if you have a few, this can be labor intensive...drains and filler tubes could be fabricated...problems can arise really fast
I use these and haven't had any big problems, but I have followed very closely the ph, the ppm, the color of the roots, and the water level, also the plants will tell you right away...when I first started and would add a new batch of nutes, if the ph was off the plants would twist around just like all the pictures,then settle after awhile...IMHO
go for it, it works, just be ready to put some time into your grow...latewood

[SamoanLawyer]

A common problem with DWC is root rot because of high water temps. Rez temps should be between 19 and 23 degrees celcius, and also ambient temps and rez temps shouldnt exceed more than a ten degree difference, strange things will happen.
Although I always suffered root rot with DWC, even in winter, I still yield out ok.
I think DWC is suited to colder climates or you will be buying air con units and water chillers just to maintain temps.
I now have a drip system which can handle higher temps no probs. DWC just isnt good for my area.

[latewood]

A common problem with DWC is root rot because of high water temps. Rez temps should be between 19 and 23 degrees celcius, and also ambient temps and rez temps shouldnt exceed more than a ten degree difference, strange things will happen.
Although I always suffered root rot with DWC, even in winter, I still yield out ok.
I think DWC is suited to colder climates or you will be buying air con units and water chillers just to maintain temps.
I now have a drip system which can handle higher temps no probs. DWC just isnt good for my area.root rot and High temps are not the fault of DWC it is the growers fault, and if you use plenty of airstones and something like sensizyme, hydroguard or any of the other products out there for "a happy res" you won't get root rot...if you get root rot in the winter when you are not battling high temps then "You" are doing something wrong,..sorry, peace

[SamoanLawyer]

root rot and High temps are not the fault of DWC it is the growers fault, and if you use plenty of airstones and something like sensizyme, hydroguard or any of the other products out there for "a happy res" you won't get root rot...if you get root rot in the winter when you are not battling high temps then "You" are doing something wrong,..sorry, peace

yes I was doing something wrong like not cooling the water, see where I live winter temps only get to like 17 degrees celcius, couple that with a small closet , even with fans it gets hot in there.
As for adding additives like hydroguard, yes I did indeed, I have been successfully doing DWC for about 18 months, like I said even with the root rot (which happens close to harvest mostly anyway)

Sorry mate, but even with the additives you still get root rot in higher temps. As I mentuioned I still yield out quite a bit, but root rot is the most common thing associated with DWC and is why people seek different methods later on.
I tried DWC for its low cost. I wont say ease, coz no Hydro is "easy" (easy to me is not carrying a bucket of water) Hey It works fine for people in colder climates, and even where I am, but I just dont like root rot and my recirculating system is still the best way to go where I live.
I have only doen DWC for a short time, I had to add "additives", In 20 years of growing Ive never had to add anything apart from Nutrients.

I was answering the querie that was asked in the title, thanks for pointing out i was doing something wrong though :rolleyes:

[SamoanLawyer]

Australian Sativa grown in DWC with root rot at the end of flowering.
Always happens then, so I guess im lucky

[latewood]

yes I was doing something wrong like not cooling the water, see where I live winter temps only get to like 17 degrees celcius, couple that with a small closet , even with fans it gets hot in there.
As for adding additives like hydroguard, yes I did indeed, I have been successfully doing DWC for about 18 months, like I said even with the root rot (which happens close to harvest mostly anyway)

Sorry mate, but even with the additives you still get root rot in higher temps. As I mentuioned I still yield out quite a bit, but root rot is the most common thing associated with DWC and is why people seek different methods later on.
I tried DWC for its low cost. I wont say ease, coz no Hydro is "easy" (easy to me is not carrying a bucket of water) Hey It works fine for people in colder climates, and even where I am, but I just dont like root rot and my recirculating system is still the best way to go where I live.
I have only doen DWC for a short time, I had to add "additives", In 20 years of growing Ive never had to add anything apart from Nutrients.

I was answering the querie that was asked in the title, thanks for pointing out i was doing something wrong though :rolleyes:I hear you bro,
and I know how tough it is when it is hot as hell, but we don't want scare somebody away...as far as doing something wrong...I posted my way, because I thought you were giving frosty1 bad info, I just wanted to clarify...
Nothing but a bunch of opinions anyway, I still say regardless of heat, you don't alway's have root rot in DWC...I'm not rolling my eyes...

[SamoanLawyer]

latewood you dwc disciple you, not picking a fight, but how was my first post "bad info"
if you really think its nothing but "opinions anyway" i challenge you to a grow fest of 40+ degrees celcius indoors in my hood.

[Garden Knowm]

Samoan- nice plants wow... heat in the res is BAD.. i concur...

[SamoanLawyer]

Cheers Bro. with knowledge, we will "Concur" the World ;)

[donnie189]

HOW DO I DOWNLOAD MY PICS HERE? I'M DOING REALLY WELL, BUT I BEEN HAVING 100CLONES SO I CAN HAE 6 SURVIVE. i'VE GOT MY PPM METER, AND USE IT RELIGIOUSLY. I CHECK MY PH ALWAYS. BUT I'M LOSING MOST MY CLONES, AND SOME FLOWERS TOO. THE MUTHAS ARE FINE. I REALLY LOVE THIS NEW HOBBY, BUT I HAVE TO GO THROUH CANCER TREATMENTS, AND I DON'T CHOOSE TO SUPPORT TERRORISM. I'D SURE LIKE TO GET DOWN THE PROCESS BEFORE I GET REALLY SICK. EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE EVENTUALLY. :) THANKS EVERYBODY!! [email protected]

THANKS,

DONNIE

Cheers Bro. with knowledge, we will "Concur" the World ;)

[latewood]

Hey Samoan, Nice to see some one around ...you down under

[Zandor]

HOW DO I DOWNLOAD MY PICS HERE? I'M DOING REALLY WELL, BUT I BEEN HAVING 100CLONES SO I CAN HAE 6 SURVIVE. i'VE GOT MY PPM METER, AND USE IT RELIGIOUSLY. I CHECK MY PH ALWAYS. BUT I'M LOSING MOST MY CLONES, AND SOME FLOWERS TOO. THE MUTHAS ARE FINE. I REALLY LOVE THIS NEW HOBBY, BUT I HAVE TO GO THROUH CANCER TREATMENTS, AND I DON'T CHOOSE TO SUPPORT TERRORISM. I'D SURE LIKE TO GET DOWN THE PROCESS BEFORE I GET REALLY SICK. EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE EVENTUALLY. :) THANKS EVERYBODY!! [email protected]

THANKS,

DONNIE
Dude how are you cloning?
What are you using to root your clones?
Cloning is not that hard if you follow a few rules and have the proper equipment in the first place.

I assume you have read the FAQ on cloning how close are you following that post?

Hey latewood I have no doubt in my mind that you can pull them through.

[latewood]

HOW DO I DOWNLOAD MY PICS HERE? I'M DOING REALLY WELL, BUT I BEEN HAVING 100CLONES SO I CAN HAE 6 SURVIVE. i'VE GOT MY PPM METER, AND USE IT RELIGIOUSLY. I CHECK MY PH ALWAYS. BUT I'M LOSING MOST MY CLONES, AND SOME FLOWERS TOO. THE MUTHAS ARE FINE. I REALLY LOVE THIS NEW HOBBY, BUT I HAVE TO GO THROUH CANCER TREATMENTS, AND I DON'T CHOOSE TO SUPPORT TERRORISM. I'D SURE LIKE TO GET DOWN THE PROCESS BEFORE I GET REALLY SICK. EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE EVENTUALLY. :) THANKS EVERYBODY!! [email protected]

THANKS,

DONNIE


You go advanced reply and then towards the bottom of page...manage attachments...upload pic...search my documents for your pix, then you really need to size them to 1.99 mb to fill the page, (bigger file sizes clog up the server and take forever to upload, or you will have to reload them because they are too big...goodluck


here is a shortcut to my cloning thread and Zandor's growfaq...read them and then if you have q's post a thread and Z, myself, or one of the other friends here will help you out...

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=25408

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=23400

By the way, sorry for highjacking thread, just rying to help...
Samoan,You seem to know what's going on, I never meant to imply otherwise
I think dwc is easy as hell, and I do agree with you about high temps...
So the lesson here is, If you want to use deep water culture...Keep it :cool: ,Man...
cloning is simple as hell if you follow simple directions