Is Karl Rove Screwed, or Not?

[BlueCat]

This is really a good article....this guy tells it like it is! Its Great.


For once, Bush or Rove or somebody in this administration
may get an uppercut that keeps them down on the mat, or at
least for an eight-count.

http://www.alternet.org/story/23451/

[Edgar]

I hope that evil fuck goes down in flames.

[pisshead]

i've heard alex jones talk about this. in fact, i've heard lots of people say this (i guess Alex Jones is responsible for all of this...).

therefore, it is bullshit. there, problem solved.

worship karl rove. don't be against karl rove. love him, wave to him, let him know that you love America.

[BlueCat]

LMAO :D :D

[pisshead]

i'm not even sure Karl Rove exists. i've seen Him on TV, and i've read about Him in the papers and on the 'internet', but who trusts the internet?...but how can I be so sure? i've never seen Him in person...

although i dare not criticize him.

[BlueCat]

He is a hologram.....

[bhallg2k]

I'd be highly surprised if Karl Rove gets anything more than a slap on the wrist for this. By only saying Plame "apparently works" at the CIA, he provided himself with all the cover he'll need. Smart move on his part because he can claim he was only making a guess rather than "knowingly" divulging sensitive information (which is treason), as his lawyer has already denied.

It's still a dispicable, Bush-league move typical of this administration though - ask John McCain. One that really should land his ass in jail.

And why the hell isn't Bob Novak in jail?

[nicholasstanko]

That guy isnt screwed...like they'd have us think. Just now on Msn.com i read about how the white house is sol silent.

Think people. Why is it that Bush is dead set against firing anyone in his admin? I think that it's because of the potential whistleblowing. If carl gets fired and bush does nothing to stop it then he's gonna have a whole lot to tell. Watch, in the next couple days/weeks we're going to hear about how former bush admin member rove died in a tragic accident with no witnesses to speak of.

Right now, he's probably negotiating a deal to keep silent and he'll take his fall nice and quiet. he'll be demonised in the media but in return he'll have a nice ranch and seven/eight figures to retire on...it's all a sham

[pisshead]

it probably doesn't even have to go that far...i think rove is pretty well protected.

after another 'terrorist' incident here in this country that's blamed on evil muslims or some domestic gang or group to tie in crime and terrorism (which the patriot act already does, section 802, all crime is terrorism with a parallel unconstitutional legal system)...people won't care about anything else.

we need troops in the malls and on the streets searching us to be safe, shutup and accept martial law, it's because we love you. we don't want to have to forcibly innoculate you (model state emergency health powers act, various executive orders, the patriot act...) but we love you. just go to the camp or stadium and get your shot.

[nicholasstanko]

not if me and the BUK BUK BUK from my ghetto-issued ak-47 has anything to do with it.

why is noone entertaining the very real possibility that we could have an insurgency in the next few years on north american soil. why do we always fool ourselves into thinking we're powerless. shit, if i see any chinese troops walking through ill blast their asses. and im not going to be wearing any combat uniforms either so fuck them.

[amsterdam]

this story will be over in a week.just something to keep people entertained until the battle over the supreme court.

[nicholasstanko]

what...no fiances thinking about "finding themselves" at all?

nancy grace doesnt have some wide-eyed missing 6-year old to throw in our face to let us know that sick fucks live in every part of the world?

no entertainment highlights on the new and improved "cnn:headline news"?

hasnt the new reality television series season begun?


WHY ISNT THIS IMPORTANT NEWS BEING BROADCAST AS WE SPEAK?

[amsterdam]

because it isnt important.

now,back to aruba!!

[nicholasstanko]

man...i feel terrible at this aruba bullshit too...


how dare the government ALLOW an innocent upper middle class teen go missing in their country. the citizens have been demonised and you think that anyone in cnn head office gives a fuck about their sure-to-decline tourist economy on some level?

theyre full of shit.

[nicholasstanko]

the american media i mean.

[Edgar]

Think people. Why is it that Bush is dead set against firing anyone in his admin? I think that it's because of the potential whistleblowing. If carl gets fired and bush does nothing to stop it then he's gonna have a whole lot to tell. Watch, in the next couple days/weeks we're going to hear about how former bush admin member rove died in a tragic accident with no witnesses to speak of.

Rove is prolly already protecting someone else in the bush admin. that told him about it. (He wont blow the whistle on bush.) I think the worst thing that could happen to him is that he'll have to resign, (They will prolly find someone else to take most of the blame.) the only way I see him blowing the whistle on bush (Or anyone else from the bush admin.) is if he's facing jail time. IMO He should be in prison, but from what i've heard, its only the person that told him about her that would go to prison unless Rove had clearance to know about her, (The CIA agent.) in which case, rove would be the one to go to prison for leaking her name. (But only if he had the security clearance to know her identity, in other words, the only person facing criminal charges is the one that had clearance to know her identity and told someone that didn't have clearance.) Look for some low ranking turd having to take the fall.

[nicholasstanko]

you mean like how fanatic muslims are to blame for every bombing taking place on "civilised" north american or european soil?

[Edgar]

I'm not convinced they arn't to blame, (Well, maybe not for every bombing.) but I'm quite sure that there is more to it than our government is telling us.

[nicholasstanko]

i was being sarcastic just in case you didnt notice. i fully believe the gov. had prior knowledge if not put the whole thing together.

i believe truly the fanatics are controlled by someone operating for the gov. so in actuality both fronts think theyre killing the bad guy when the higher ups just sit on their fucking asses and laugh at us.

why do you think CIA sponsored osama CANT be found? i think he gets his orders on who to declare jihad on...he goes and rallies his supporters and then they go out and bomb motherfuckers. then theoretically terrorists WERE behind the event. the us just cajoles them...funds them...provides weaponry...small insignificant things like that.

[Edgar]

I'm not convinced they arn't to blame (Just in case you didn't notice that that was an arn't, not an are.)

I recognize your sarcasm, i just happen to disagree to some degree. :)

[nicholasstanko]

(Just in case you didn't notice that that was an arn't, not an are.)

I recognize your sarcasm, i just happen to disagree to some degree. :)

touche'

[Edgar]

i just happen to disagree to some degree.

Well, actually its not so much that i necessarily disagree, its just that i maintain that it has yet to be proven; one way or the other...

[amsterdam]

the cia agents husband publicly said his wife was a covert agent 2 years ago.not to mention that rove released the reporters to spill the beans at the end of 2004.

[amsterdam]

not to mention that NO law has been broken.NO cia agent was "outted".the cia agent WAS NOT covert,NO ONES career was ruined.

just another boring story attacking the administration.

story over.

[nicholasstanko]

Rove is fucked. plain and simple.

the president said that he would fire anybody leaking insider information.

rove leaked insider information

the legality of what he did is irrelevant.

if the president doesnt keep his word then its republican suicide.

[amsterdam]

republican suicide?

i bet you a 1000$$ we pick up a few more seats next year.

not to mention i promise another republican president in "08.the dems have no solid candidates and wont for awhile.

[Edgar]

the cia agents husband publicly said his wife was a covert agent 2 years ago.not to mention that rove released the reporters to spill the beans at the end of 2004.



Rove's own lawyer has stated that Rove talked to Time reporter Matt Cooper "three or four days" before Plame's identity was revealed by Novak. (Two years ago) In an email written by Cooper 3 days before Novak leaked her identity in his column, he wrote that Rove told him that Joseph Wilson's wife was working for the CIA on wmd issues.

Where did you get that her husband was the leak? If he said that she worked for the CIA, it was after that knowledge had already been leaked to the public by Novak.


not to mention that NO law has been broken.NO cia agent was "outted".the cia agent WAS NOT covert,NO ONES career was ruined.

just another boring story attacking the administration.

story over.

Ha, you'd like that to be the end of it, but it sure as hell isn't. She was under nonofficial cover, if she wasn't, there wouldn't be an investigation. She had claimed to work for Brewster Jennings & Associates as an "energy analyst", but this was later confirmed by the CIA to be a front.
It is illegal to knowingly release the identity of a undercover CIA operative, to do so violates the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. If Plame's identity was classified, Rove may also have violated the Espionage Act.

[amsterdam]

hahahaha.

get your facts,plame has NEVER been classified deep cover.

she worked a desk job at langley and hadnt traveled outside the U.S. in YEARS.

you should see when john kerry comes out and asks rove to step down,the story is bogus.like his career.

[BlueCat]

No Hamster you get your facts straight....Karl Rove has a history of lying and cheating. He has been a bully all his life and it does not suprise me that YOU would support him....

In high school, Rove was known for being argumentative with teachers and students, for using "vulgar and suggestive language" with female peers, and was accused of stealing money from other students' lockers on more than one occasion. Often ran for school office; his pattern was to quietly slander his opponents with allegations of sexual deviancy, and then deny that he had done so. Interestingly, at some point a report on Rove was purportedly generated by a school district psychiatrist


By 1970, Rove was a protégé of Donald Segretti, a Republican operative working for Nixon who was later convicted and sent to prison

in 1970, Rove took boxes of campaign letterhead and envelopes from the Chicago headquarters of Alan Dixon (democrat) forged invitations of "free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing" at Dixon's headquarters, and then distributed them throughout Chicago's red-light district and to local soup kitchens.....He has always had to CHEAT to win....it is all he knows.

while attending the University of Utah. he forged newspaper articles reporting the criminal arrests for sexual deviancy of various campus liberals. with racist classmate Lee Atwater....

HE dropped out of the University of Utah. Later attended both the University of Texas at Austin and George Mason University, but has never received an undergraduate academic degree from any colleges attended...the number 2 man for Bush has NO college degree what so ever....yet he avoided going to vietnam becuase he was in college?!

In 1973, he ran for the national chairmanship of the College Republican National Committee (CRNC). His campaign was marked by the usual slander and smear of opponents. In a new twist, Rove ultimately challenged the legitimacy of each and every delegate who voted for his opponent.

The election eventually was decided in Rove's favor by the head of the Republican National Committee, who was then....George H. W. Bush (Bush Sr)

August 10, 1973, the Washington Post publishes an article, based on tape recordings, detailing how Rove and another operative had been going around the country training new GOP operatives in dirty tricks.

In 1977, Rove was sent to Texas, purportedly to run a PAC. However, it is thought that the real reason he was there was to take care of Bush Jr., who at that time was a serious binge drinker, often in and out of social and legal trouble..

In 1986, John Weaver, a former colleague of Rove's and at that time the executive director of the Texas state Republican party, went into the political consulting business for himself; in the process he took one of Rove's own top employees away with him. Rove spread a rumor that Weaver had made a pass at a young man at a Republican party event

In 1986, Rove ran Republican oilman Bill Clements' campaign for governor of Texas. On the night of a debate in which his candidate was expected to do poorly, Rove publicly announced that he had "discovered" that his own office was bugged, allegedly by the opponent's campaign, all evidence points to Rove panting the bug himself.

Rove was eventually fired for this behavior by Bush SR. staff

1993-1994, Bush Jr. runs for Governor of Texas. Rove manages the campaign, and months prior to the election repeatedly floats the rumor that the incumbent, Ann Richards, is a lesbian. Bush Jr. wins.

In 1994, at the behest of the Business Council of Alabama, Rove worked to get Republican judges elected to the Alabama state supreme court by running a dirty campaign, complete with a fictionalized TV ads, his judges lost but Rove then disputed the results, moved for a recount, continued to spread lies about election fraud by the Democrats during the months of wrangling over the recount, lawsuits ensued, and by October of the following year the case was decided in the Republican's favor by the US Supreme Court.

Also in Alabama in 1994, Rove ran the first judicial campaign of Republican Harold See, who ran against Democrat Mark Kennedy. Rove floated charges that Kennedy had used a nonprofit children's foundation he was involved with to mask campaign finance improprieties, and started a whisper campaign that Kennedy was a pedophile....MORE LIES Kennedy still won....people saw Roves lies for what they were...LIES

In 1996, Rove had flyers printed up that looked as if they had been put together by the Democratic incumbent's campaign, flyers that viciously attacked his own Republican candidate for the Alabama Supreme Court, Harold See. Then Rove had his campaign workers deliver these flyers throughout key neighborhoods in the middle of the night. The Democratic incumbent, Kenneth Ingram, was unable to counter the sympathetic backlash, and lost.

In the run-up to the 2000 presidential election....and on into 2001(!), Rove manages Bush Jr.'s ultimately successful campaign for POTUS. When McCain looked to be ahead during the Republican primaries in 2000, Rove allegedly hired a telemarketer to call voters across South Carolina, asking them whether they would vote for John McCain if they knew he had had an illegitimate child with a black woman.

It is Rove who sends a busload of Republican operatives from Washington DC to storm the barricades in Florida, staging the "angry mob of disenfranchised voters" at government offices during the 2000 Florida count/recount fiasco.
AGAIN fake protesters starting trouble....

March, 2001, Rove was instrumental in arranging a merger between an Intel company supplier and another Dutch company; he himself owned $100,000 in Intel company stock at the same time.

In June, 2001, Rove met with drug industry lobbyists; he himself owned $250,000 in drug industry stock at the time.

On June 30, 2001, Rove divested his stock in 23 companies, stock which included more than $100,000 in each of the following: Enron, Boeing, General Electric, and Pfizer. It is estimated that Rove held between $100,000 and $250,000 in Enron stock at the time Bush was sworn into office, and continued to hold that stock while participating in energy policy meetings.
Just another Enron crook.

In August, 2002, Karl Rove was included as a member of the newly organized "White House Iraq Group selling of the invasion of Iraq to the media

After the reelection of Bush Jr. in November, 2004, Rove is named Deputy White House Chief of Staff and is now responsible for coordinating policy between the White House Domestic Policy Council, the National Economic Council, the National Security Council, and the Homeland Security Council.

And all without any expertise in any of the above fields.

HE is guilty and now it looks as if Bush is scared....he needs a lawyer

Witnesses told a federal grand jury President George W. Bush knew about, and took no action to stop, the release of a covert CIA operative's name to a journalist in an attempt to discredit her husband, a critic of administration policy in Iraq.

Their damning testimony has prompted Bush to contact an outside lawyer for legal advice because evidence increasingly points to his involvement


Witnesses told a federal grand jury President George W. Bush knew about, and took no action to stop, the release of a covert CIA operative's name....

THE RATS ARE JUMPING SHIP!!! :D :D Grab your life vest Hamster the waters chilly...

[amsterdam]

the rats are jumping ship?i saw kerry in the news yesterday,hes still here.

what was all that meant to show?that he is a typical politician?i think your mad because he smoked ya'lls ass on election day and you cant keep up.so sorry.

[BlueCat]

You would call that behavior typical........that is why you can accept Bush...you think this type of behavior is ok. Its not and their true colors are starting to show.

[amsterdam]

not to mention that the people in this country reject liberal ideas and agendas.thats why your crowd is so angry.we can blame the lefts hatred on this or that,but it boils down to the liberal way of life and ideas is dying here.the left has shown their true colors since 9/11 and on nov.2 2004 america told you that.hell,i'd be mad if i were you too.oh,well,get over it.

[amsterdam]

You would call that behavior typical........that is why you can accept Bush...you think this type of behavior is ok. Its not and their true colors are starting to show.


because it is typical,rove is just alot more ruthless.if you cant take the heat,stay outta the kitchen.did you see clintons administration?

true colors?i bet you we gain seats next year.wanna bet? :D

[nicholasstanko]

amsterdam is so scared. he likes to take orders but by God he's gonna do it under a republican.

[amsterdam]

scared?i'm excited.

[Edgar]

get your facts,plame has NEVER been classified deep cover.

I NEVER said she was deep cover, i said nonofficial cover and If thats all you know about this case then its no wonder you dont think its important. If she has left the country within the last, i think it was 5 years, then that requirement has been met. I dont think Carl will go to prison, infact im pretty damn sure he'll weasle out of it, i just think he SHOULD be in prison. If he isn't at least fired, the bush admin will look like even bigger liers than they already do. He leaked the identity of a cia operative just to score some cheap political points, and thats the kind of asshole you want running things?

You know, you can blindly follow a bunch of scumbags if you want, thats your right, but dont think those assholes are doing anything to make our country better, because the plain fact of the matter is, they're making it worse.

[amsterdam]

fair enough.i would go with about 75% of politicians would be in prison if you looked at them close enough.i mean,how to do you think the powerful. get powerfull

[Edgar]

Yes, its a sad reflection of human nature, but i do think we should be keeping a closer eye on these guys, that would help cut down on the corruption.

[amsterdam]

agreed

[BlueCat]

I NEVER said she was deep cover, i said nonofficial cover and If thats all you know about this case then its no wonder you dont think its important. If she has left the country within the last, i think it was 5 years, then that requirement has been met. I dont think Carl will go to prison, infact im pretty damn sure he'll weasle out of it, i just think he SHOULD be in prison. If he isn't at least fired, the bush admin will look like even bigger liers than they already do. He leaked the identity of a cia operative just to score some cheap political points, and thats the kind of asshole you want running things?

You know, you can blindly follow a bunch of scumbags if you want, thats your right, but dont think those assholes are doing anything to make our country better, because the plain fact of the matter is, they're making it worse.


AMEN Edgar! :D

[amsterdam]

at this point in time,thats exactly who i want running things.

[BlueCat]

Gee I wonder why you are so comfortable with the liars that are in office, Hamster? I mean come on you have a felony for gun possession or so you say. You can't join the military because you are a felon You have said this many times.....
You also have a new gun, you have posted and bragged on so you are a felon with a weapon.
NO there is no doubt in my mind that you would support this administration.

They couldn't have a better spokes person....post away...

I do not think we have to simply accept politicians as corrupt, it is time to clean house.

[highinspain]

well i have found my people........i had to move to spain to escape the madness three years ago i hope they all go down in flames and that the voice of reason takes over

[BlueCat]

Several countries including the US and I read today also Australia are introducing a national ID card. What are your thoughts on this Hamster?

[BlueCat]

well i have found my people........i had to move to spain to escape the madness three years ago i hope they all go down in flames and that the voice of reason takes over

:D :D :D I don't know about the flames part but REASON would be nice.

[bhallg2k]

It's funny to me that every thread in politics goes off topic. I'm not saying anything about anyone - hell, I do it too. Just an observation.

[highinspain]

It seems to me that we are surrounded by people who have read Revelations one time to many and they want it to happen so bad they will create it so as to assure the end result we are now involved in a war that people like Rove have started to advance the history books forward I say fry the bastard we need anothey tee party beore it is too late

[bhallg2k]

Can you say "cover up," boys and girls?

Headline: Source: Rove Got CIA Agent ID From Media

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050715/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_rove

I know I'm a cynic and all, but damn. Come on. Isn't this pretty obvious?

[amsterdam]

looks like novak is the leak here ladies and gents.all that knee-jerking and crying was done for nothing.as always. :D

[nicholasstanko]

fair enough.i would go with about 75% of politicians would be in prison if you looked at them close enough.i mean,how to do you think the powerful. get powerfull


chee...i wonder if it has anything to do with the depraved ignorant sheeples that will do anything their leaders tell them voting every four years to get politicians like that in office... :eek:

[nicholasstanko]

Gee I wonder why you are so comfortable with the liars that are in office, Hamster? I mean come on you have a felony for gun possession or so you say. You can't join the military because you are a felon You have said this many times.....
You also have a new gun, you have posted and bragged on so you are a felon with a weapon.
NO there is no doubt in my mind that you would support this administration.

They couldn't have a better spokes person....post away...

I do not think we have to simply accept politicians as corrupt, it is time to clean house.


lol. holy shit blue i'd hate to have to pit my political smear people up against you.

[amsterdam]

of course it does.i didnt vote for bush in '00.and i dont agree with everything he does now for sure.i just agree alot more with republican stands on issues than the dems.i give you my word,if the libertarians run a good candidate(at least known) i would vote for them.

[amsterdam]

i also like Obama.he is gonna be a force in like 10 years no doubt.

[nicholasstanko]

what, everyone forgot about herr arnold already?

[Edgar]

Hey, this just in, Carl Rove claims that a reporter leaked the identity of the cia operative to him, but he can't remember who that reporter was. HAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT FUCKING BULLSHIT! Uh yeah, some reporter leaked it to me, and now i have amnesia, so I'm innocent, riiiiight. The media presents this like its the gospel truth!? Of course he's gonna lie, Jesus christ, some people are soooo stupid. Hey, didn't i say he'd weasel out of it and someone else would be blamed? Well suprise suprise, he did, and that someone he blamed doesn't even have a name. Yeah like we can just trust that he's telling the truth. Oh if Carl Rove says it, it must be true. Gimme a break. They better not just take his word for it, that would be downright retarded.

[Edgar]

I guess its not late breaking news to anyone but me. =) I just heard how it was presented on the news. So its news to me.

[nicholasstanko]

it's okay.

but about that avater....its really starting to creep me out.


keep posting though.

[Edgar]

Ok, was it novak, or what? I just heard a little while ago on MSNBC that he couldn't remember who the reporter was. Now I'm hearing Novak was da 1. I should never listen to the news, they always get things wrong.

liking that avatar huh? :) look into its eyes.

[nicholasstanko]

Ok was it novak, or what? I just heard a little while ago on MSNBC that he couldn't remember who the reporter was. Now I'm hearing Novak was da 1. I should never listen to the news, they always get things wrong.

liking that avatar huh. :) look into its eyes.

no...it's haunting....must kill....mummy and daddy...


why...why...do these voices keep coming in my head....

crazy...ideas...must be extinguished....must...kill terrorists...must...love george bush...





...what the hell was in those percocets?

[Edgar]

Rove told the grand jury that by the time Novak had called him, he believes he had similar information about Wilson's wife from another member of the news media but he could not recall which reporter had told him about it first, the person said.

-from that yahoo article.

So it appears that this is why the news reported that he couldn't recall which reporter told him about her.

[nicholasstanko]

-from that yahoo article.

So it appears that this is why the news reported that he couldn't recall which reporter told him about her.

lol. yahoo...real informative.


the name fits though...

[BlueCat]

I don't recall? Can't they at least be a little more original....I think Oliver North and Ronald Regan wore the "I don't recall line out" I hope they can do better than that!

[amsterdam]

so as it turns out the story of rove leaking the info was bogus,nothing special.

the people responsible are novak and wilson himself.

[Edgar]

Heh, i only used the yahoo article because I'm a lazy bum and it was already posted. :)

I'll check with more "informative" sources later when i actually feel like discussing this.

[BlueCat]

so as it turns out the story of rove leaking the info was bogus,nothing special.

the people responsible are novak and wilson himself.

Really? they hire all these lawyers and use tax payers money to put together
a commitee to investigate "nothing special"? Sure Hamster... :rolleyes:

[nicholasstanko]

Really? they hire all these lawyers and use tax payers money to put together
a commitee to investigate "nothing special"? Sure Hamster... :rolleyes:

yeh...nothing to see here...if you want all your pertinent info just head to foxnews.com. dont waste time with these free-thinkers on this board...this message has been brought to you by a corrupt U.S. government and the letter G.

[amsterdam]

foiled again.

[amsterdam]

he's the gingerbread man.

[BlueCat]

yeh...nothing to see here...if you want all your pertinent info just head to foxnews.com. dont waste time with these free-thinkers on this board...this message has been brought to you by a corrupt U.S. government and the letter G.


Paid for by the commitee to reelect any Monkey faced idiot.......
my name is Hamster and I approve of this message. :D

[amsterdam]

awwwww,dont be mad.its not his fault he is smarter than the entire DNC put together.

you guys are playing catch up.

dont hate the player,hate the game.

[BlueCat]

Catch phases? thats all you've got.

dont hate the player,hate the game? :rolleyes:
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[nicholasstanko]

Catch phases? thats all you've got.

dont hate the player,hate the game? :rolleyes:
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word!