WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS

[trippruss]

I started this thread becuz of the recent issues regarding children in the news being kidnapped/raped/murdered. i'm a 40yr father of 4 boys ages 6-17 & would like to hear from people who are 1.parents 2.victims of sexual abuse either present or past. i spent 7yrs of my life in prison for a drug related offense that opened my eyes to alot of injustice in this soceity. i used to think that rapests & molesters got beat up/killed in prison, this is not so & anyone who has done time please comment, but soon learned that they are coveted in prison. in michigan they have some 72 correctional facilities. i've been in 3 of the nastiest most violent ones & learned alot, but there are 12 of them with CSC(criminal sexual conduct) populations exceeding the 87%. does the public really know how bad this is getting? how about you guys? i was sexually assaulted as a young boy by a catholic preist, but have taken on the attitude of disgust/hatred towards anyone who would harm children. unfortunately child molesters breed child molesters(92% were victims as kids) so i was a minority, but do the math; if a tree-jumper(CSC) assaulted 10 kids, lets say only 1/2 went on to do the same how long is it going to take in order for them to spread like malaria & start taking over public offices/legislation/a.m.a./BAR/teaching? got to love texas in this regard, repeat offenders must have chemical castration, personally this is way too lenient, but it's still the only state that even considers this a growing epidemic that needs to be dealt with. i have personally hurt as many as i could while incarcerated, but now i learned that this is not my place on this planet, these people WILL meet their maker one day & will pay for it then, BUT we need not turn our backs on our countrys' future(children) by just letting God take care of it. we must be proactive & provide a safe enviroment for the children if this means everyone should be calling their state rep. & screaming so be it. i personally would be the first person to bond out the guy who molested my children(if you know what i mean) i also know the system enuff to follow one to his death in that system. sorry for rambling but i feel this is worse than fighting terrorism outside our borders, DAMN IT! we're talking our kids here! r

[Torog]

Howdy trippruss,

My daughter,was molested by a bisexual pedophile,when she was only 5 years old. For a very long time,I wanted to hunt em down and kill him slow..sadly,he's my adopted sister's brother,which complicated everything. I had him thrown in jail for 3 years,and it's sad,that our justice system,couldn't have put him away longer. I was very fortunate that the court allowed my daughter to give a video-taped statement,rather than face her accuser in court and being traumatized even more. I'm very sad that you went through what you did,and I share your pain,anger and frustration.

I believe that there needs to be a national registry for sex-offenders and that they should be dealt with severely and that they should not ever be allowed to git bail..or at least set the bail so high,that they can't git out and do what that feller did in Idaho. I think that those judges and prosecutors who do not treat this problem seriously and who actually allow the monsters back into society,should lose their jobs and if anyone is harmed by their decisions,that they should be prosecuted for it.

The night that I came home from work and found out what happened to my daughter,was the single most horrible night of my life..and I can't imagine how my daughter felt..thank God-that the cops there,talked me out of doing something terrible to him..they said that I couldn't keep my daughter safe..if they had to put me in jail..so I crumpled the tupperware tea glass I had in my hands instead..which ain't no easy feat..unless you're mad as Hell...like I was.

Dang...I gotta stop for now..I'm gittin all upset again...it's been 20 years..and I still git all choked up over it...my daughter,thank God..is pretty much over it..she was very young and I reckon that time has healed her wounds better than I would have expected.

Have a good one ....

[ZigZagZeppelin]

force them into the armed services.
:D

[Cheery Cherry]

I am sorry to hear about your situation Trippruss and Torog. I was raped repeatedly when I was 3 years old and again at 5 years of age, by different people (babysitters). People are quite surprised when I share this information, which I rarely do, because there are no obvious or typical sign that I was a victim of such a horrible, humiliating experience. My mother didn't even know about it until I was 25 years old. I guess at the time, I felt shame. I felt guilty. I felt like somehow, it was my fault that this happened. Now, I am doing everything I can to make sure my kids don't ever experience anything like that and so far, things are going well.

It's sad that so many child molesters go unpunished and if punished, it's like a slap on their wrist and they are released after short amount of time only to do it again and again. It's also difficult to "catch" most of the abusers because victims are in fear of turning them in and sharing (re-living) the experience. Yes, I believe the abusers should be put away for life!

I think the most important thing to do right now is to educate your kids about these sort of things...not to a point where they will grow up fearing the world, but to trust gut instincts and have trusted adults (parents) that they can communicate with comfortably and openly.

[professer evil]

this thread is puttin me on a downer,in cases of child molestation i believe that takin the law into your own hands is the only way,if i had any kids then id be happy to shoot somebody for doing that to them,i couldnt give a fuck if i end up doin life for it either,u cant let people get away with shit like that and most times wen they go to court they get light sentences and u have to put ur kid through the whole court case.

fuck that shit,id actually tie up and torture the dirty bastard before i shot him,rape the bastard with a snooker cue

[naturalmystic]

I think if they commit the crime once, they should be locked away for good. No question about it. Just because they go to jail does NOT mean they won't do it again. Odds are in fact, that once they get out of jail, they'll go and commit the same crime, or worse.

[slipknotpsycho]

yes, but some make mistakes, or something that isn't even with a kid, or really hurting anyone (get caught pissing in public you can be labled as a sex offender, and be labled as a child molester too) how can you decipher the true pedophiles, from the rest?

[CanaBliss]

Very true Slipknotpyscho.

[professer evil]

the true pedophiles are the ones who stick their things in kids or have kids touch them innapropiatley or take naked photos of kids,ive often pissed in the street on the way home from a good nights drinking and lots of other people have,only wen drunk,i dont see that as any kind of child abuse especially as there are no children around

[slipknotpsycho]

but yet, you can still be labled as a sex offender should you get caught by a cop or someone files a report. so by what so meone said, you should be locked away never to be set free becasue you pissed infront of the wrong cop on the wrong day and got sent the wrong judge.

I think if they commit the crime once, they should be locked away for good.
if they did do that, it would be with all sexual violators, not just the ones that use force or prey on kids.

[CanaBliss]

Verytrue Slipknotpyscho.

[Encatuse]

Sorry slipknot, there's a huge difference though. If they make a change, we'll just force the law to recognize the difference. I'm with professor evil on this one, sadly. I would destroy any fucker who touched my offspring. I could get very violent with that I imagine. Probably far sicker then they were. I would be vomitting on them all the whiiiiilllleeee. I just noticed the sun was shining, Ill be right back I want to look at it for a while.

[trippruss]

the only thing i can say so far is that it is better to error on the safe side.

[looseends]

I was molested by a cousin some 30 years ago. Never told my parents about it, cause I figured they'd never believe me anyway. Now that I have kids I worry about that everyday. I have no idea how I'm going to be should something happen to my lil girls who are now 2 and 3. Everyday you see kids being molested, kidnapped, even killed. At first I wanted to know what would make a grown man (yes-even women) be sexually interested in a child, but I really don't think I want to know.

And instant vigilance is not the answer. I understand for those who don't have kids to say what they say, but until you really have your own...you don't know that for sure. You don't know that if your son or daughter is hurt in anyway that you'll want to hurt that person in return. Then, you'll have to think of this too. What if you do get vigilance? What next? Then you'll wind up in jail too and who's your child going to run to when they need you the most.

Yeah...the justice system sucks, but I think it's up to us to raise a bit of hell of our own to straighten up this screwed up country of ours so we can protect our children and one day stop this viscious cycle.

[nicholasstanko]

I was molested by a cousin some 30 years ago. Never told my parents about it, cause I figured they'd never believe me anyway. Now that I have kids I worry about that everyday. I have no idea how I'm going to be should something happen to my lil girls who are now 2 and 3. Everyday you see kids being molested, kidnapped, even killed. At first I wanted to know what would make a grown man (yes-even women) be sexually interested in a child, but I really don't think I want to know.

And instant vigilance is not the answer. I understand for those who don't have kids to say what they say, but until you really have your own...you don't know that for sure. You don't know that if your son or daughter is hurt in anyway that you'll want to hurt that person in return. Then, you'll have to think of this too. What if you do get vigilance? What next? Then you'll wind up in jail too and who's your child going to run to when they need you the most.

Yeah...the justice system sucks, but I think it's up to us to raise a bit of hell of our own to straighten up this screwed up country of ours so we can protect our children and one day stop this viscious cycle.


did you mean "vengeance"? im not being a smart ass but i was just wondering if i was reading the context wrong.

[slipknotpsycho]

did you mean "vengeance"? im not being a smart ass but i was just wondering if i was reading the context wrong.
i think she was using vilgilance [vigilante] meaning taking the law into your own hands

[Durden]

This may seem a bit extreme but I think we should issue hunting permits for child molesters if you can prove that a person is a sexual preator you should be able to dispose of societyâ??s garbage. If you think about it this would improve society because most people don't lead a normal happy life after they are molested, I know some do but most don't and worse is that a % become one them selfâ??s.
Yeah I'm a lil high, but still they problem be killed in prison anyway so whats the diff.

[Breukelen advocaat]

i think she was using vilgilance [vigilante] meaning taking the law into your own hands

Probably meant "Vigilanteism".

She wrote, "And instant vigilance is not the answer.", which is perfectly understandable and correct in the context of the posting.

[Encatuse]

If you can prove that a person is a sexual predator you should be able to dispose of societyâ??s garbage.

This is how I feel. I recognize that if I took the law into my own hands and destroyed them personally, I would not be able to raise my child as I wished I could. But I like to look at the bigger picture. I would hopefully have a wife who COULD take care of my child, and by destroying the man who I know molested my child, I would be ensuring that no future children would be molested by that person. If he molests one child, odds are he'd have no problem molesting another.

[Fengzi]

My feeling is that in cases of child molestation, if it is a "smoking gun" -100% guilty-no if's and's or but's about it case, kill 'em. Make it permanent and do it fast, no sitting around in a cushy jail for years being paid for by taxpayers. People say they have a right to rehabilitation, fuck that. A little child has the right not to be raped by some sicko, they can't ever "rehabilitate" that right.

Rehabilitation for these sick fuckers is a joke in itself. Their was a recent high profile case out here in California involving Kenneth Parnell. He had kidnapped a young boy, Steven Staynor( you may have heard about his brother,his Cary Staynor who had gone nuts and killed several women in Yosemite a few years back), and kept him as a sexual slave for 7 years before the kid escaped with another 5 year old boy who the guy had just abducted. Seems he liked them young. . Although the guy was 100% guilty with out any doubt what so ever, he only served 5 years in prison. Two years less than the amount of time he kept the boy hostage, raping him repeatedly! Well, just recently, 10 or so years (not sure exactly how long) after his release, he was convicted of trying to buy another boy as a new sex slave. He had also been convicted of raping an 8 year old boy back in 1950. Seems several attempts at rehabilitation didn't work. If he was just executed back in 1950 at least two boys, if not more, would never had to endured the horrors this monster committed.

A while back I lived in a country that the U.S. likes to make a big deal about their lack of human rights and the harsh way they deal with criminals.In this country murderers, rapist, child molesters, are executed and it is done immediately after sentencing. Those convicted of lesser crimes are sentenced to jail and it is quite harsh manual labor type of jail time. While it may seem harsh, I lived in an incredibly crowded city of 12 million people and could walk down any street, any back alley, in any neighborhood, at any time of the day, and never once feel threatened. Violent crime there is almost non-existant. Why? Easy, those accused of capital crimes are done away with permanently and the harsh penalties make others give it a long hard thought before committing the crimes.

People who commit crimes against children are monsters. They are the worst of the scum sucking bottom dwellers in our society. Their actions have brought themselves down to the level of an animal, or worse, and like a vicious dog that attacks a child, they should be put down before they can do it again.

[kaela]

dont molest people , that's mean.

don't kill... toke and be nice.

[NOTEHOOK]

Our correctional system doesn't work, and everyone knows it. It's crap. Lets rehabilitate or get rid of them. Not just get them out of our hair untill a couple years later.

[slipknotpsycho]

well the way i see it, you give them their chance to turn their life around (not saying that they dont' need harsher punishments as it stands now) but don't lock them up and throw away the key on them....maybe i'm just more sympathetic then most, i dunno what it is i just don't see the logic in it. if i could make changes it would be longer terms for first time violators and massive treatment, then upon release should they do it again THEN you lock them away for good or do away with them. guess no one see's my point of view on this

[looseends]

did you mean "vengeance"? im not being a smart ass but i was just wondering if i was reading the context wrong.

you're right. sorry about that.

[trippruss]

thnx guys especially Fengzi, slipknotpyscho; we are ALL labeled anyhow, anyone who thinks differently is alittle off. the problem being that this segment of our society IS given the chance to turn their life around. they repeatedly recommite their crimes, actually start killing their victims instead of molesting, so they wont get caught. meanwhile i have buddies searving life for having over 650gr of cocaine that the u.s. govermnet actually allowed in this country. he will never get out but the laws for csc, @ least in this state, they all carry 15 yr maximums. WTF? :eek: i could molest a child in a school & get probation, but sling some coke within 500yards=never get out? :mad: prison doesn't do shit for pedophiles, they crowd them together for the pysch services so all you get is several prisons with saturations of CSC offenders. usuually middle aged white guys with the "twinkle" in their eye. i've also learned that the easiest way to locate a tree-jumper in the system is look to the bible groups. real bad! usually they feel their crimes are unforgivable by man so they turn to God. i'm sorry for physically taking out "revenge" on molesters, would have allowed me to come home several yrs earlier if i had not hurt em, but i did have sense of "just" while watching the brueblow(sp?) flyfrom their skulls! violence in of itself is wrong, most people would rather just BE let alone & not seek out fights/altercations w/neighbors, etc.,,molesters are constantly seeking prey, it occupies every bit of their existence & they need to fullfill a type of addiction worse than drugs, these process addictions when coupled with sexual needs, urges are compeling these monsters to the point of blackouts. any alcoholics here? you know the next day when you try to remember what quite happened the night before? imagine walking around 24/7 like that but being able to function & think? f*$# scary if ya ask me. i am not really an opponet of the death penalty but some pople are str8 up monsters and lets face it, we as a society have let our kids down big time when it comes to protecting them. parents should be drilling into their kids heads that the only real monsters are the ones who live at such & such address, on such & such street, & so & so who works in the dry cleaner or wherever, it might even come to teaching our children lethal force when in a comprimising position, that is if our lawmakers dont start getting on the bandwagon

[amsterdam]

mandatory 25 year first time offender law,life for the second offence.

the 25 years should be served as if an aggravated case so the people must do 85% of that 25 years then upon release the person must wear a tracking device for the rest of their life.

[amsterdam]

then execution.

[amsterdam]

but the execution should be a good hour long beating administered by the victims family with steel pipes.it would never happen,but i think its a good start.

[trippruss]

i'm liking you more & more amsterdam!

[professer evil]

thats not the right way to deal with convicted child abusers

strip them and tie them up naked thenhave a horse fuck them,that would bust their ass right open and the horse would fill them with spunk,after you heal the ass and remove t6he stitches do it all over again with the horse for the rest of their lives

the victims have to live their life after theyve bee abused so why kill the molester???keep them alive and dont let them off easily,make them fuck their own kids or something

[Fengzi]

thats not the right way to deal with convicted child abusers

strip them and tie them up naked thenhave a horse fuck them,that would bust their ass right open and the horse would fill them with spunk,after you heal the ass and remove t6he stitches do it all over again with the horse for the rest of their lives

the victims have to live their life after theyve bee abused so why kill the molester???keep them alive and dont let them off easily,make them fuck their own kids or something

Huh, I had thought execution was the way to go but I like your solution better. Not sure if it's fair to the horse though.

[amsterdam]

florida is on the right track.

[xReLiNqUiShLoVe]

I'm against excecution in general. It's an easy way out for people. Let Bubba, Vern and Paco have at 'em.

[rastabill89]

im sorry that that happend to you two

[trippruss]

thing is that even while in prison nobody even gets to these guys. they are put in prison that are full of nothing but pedophiles, all they do is talk to each other, learn better ways of not getting caught, tell the prison guards on others(they have become a very useful tool for the dept. of corr. due to their inability not to tell on others) and they usually parole due to their (spotless) institutional records. so our prison system doesn't teach them anything other than how to recommit w/o getting caught,ie; killing the kids they used to let go!

[Creeper]

One good thing about living in Maine is that we have a mandatory sex offender registry, which allows people to find previously convicted sex offenders/pedophiles living in your area.

[partyguy420]

yea... ive had lots of friends and family that were molested... like i have 5 cousians that were raped... and just came out about it... then i have another 4 friends... and i have another friend that was living with some one that was being acused of molesting them... and i dont know if it was true or not... but i almost took my gun out and shoot every1 of those ppls that molested my friends and family... and i know i will worie even more when i have kids... i probly wont even keep my guns in my house...(wouldnt do a hole lot of good... since i know how to kill ppls like 100 dif ways with my bare hands)

[Bogey]

force them into the armed services.
:D

Being someone who served i wouldn't want some fuckup whos too busy jerking off to mental kiddie porn in the foxhole with me.

I always thought child rapists and the like would make a much more interesting day at the grenade range than those green foam dummies we throw the grenades at.

[Nyplyr4life]

kill every fuckng rapeist and child molester with a red hot hanger and some foreceps, add some bleach to cause there fucking inbreed shit fucks

[weirdo79]

Oh my someone check the thermostat in hell im actually more "right wing" then amsterdam on this one. I say those convicted without a doubt (open and shut case)

Easy solution, Medical Experimentation......And, if its successful yay we cured aids cancer etc (or any number of horrible afflictions) and guess what prisoner! you get another one! NEXT!......

[ADaisyChain]

...i probly wont even keep my guns in my house...(wouldnt do a hole lot of good... since i know how to kill ppls like 100 dif ways with my bare hands)

That last statement made me laugh histerically.

Wierdo:

That's a really cool idea. Injecting prisoners with HIV so that they can see what does and doesn't help it with no worries of humanity. ((Who in their right mind is going to go and protest the mistreatment of sexual offenders?))

"Well, there's a 99.9% chance that it will kill the patient outright, but there's still the .1% chance that it will cure aids on the spot. We've got a surplus of sexual offenders from that milwaukee child porn ring that got busted last week though, so we might as well try it out." - AIDS scientist

[GHoSToKeR]

dont molest people , that's mean.

don't kill... toke and be nice.
Awesome post.. Why kill them? Who gets anything out of that? All that anyone gets is blood on their hands and some twisted, obscure sense of gratification. Is this the way you guys really want us to live? Murdering people by choice? Shit, the death penalty is definately not a deterrent (take a look at all the countries that use it.. I mean, America puts to death more people than most countries and has the highest incarceration rate also), and it's a disgusting punishment.

Think about the War On Drugs for a moment. The government and it's lackies try and stop drug use by tackling the 'problem' of drug use... They arrest people and ruin their lives thousands of times every year in one country alone. But still every year the amount of people using recreational drugs increases. Why is this? Well, if drugs really are a 'problem' then what is faulty or lacking in our society that makes people feel the need to take drugs? If they were to figure this out then they could tackle the cause of drug use, and people wouldn't feel the need to do it anymore.

((I don't believe that drug use is a problem personally, and I don't believe that drug use needs to be tackled or stopped... I was just using that viewpoint as a comparison.))

If you go around killing sexual offenders then, well, you'll have alot less sexual offenders.... but only temporarily. Maybe this kind of sexual deviancy is genetic, but nobody knows if that's so or not. If it's not genetic (which I strongly believe it isn't) then these people are picking this kind of behaviour up from somebody (usually a parent/adult in the persons childhood) or there is something causing this kind of behavious in them. If you actually try to find out what causes this kind of thing in society then you'll have a much more of a chance of stopping it.

[GHoSToKeR]

PS.... If our governments stopp putting people in jail for committing consensual 'crimes', then the prisons would have alot more room for all these sex offenders. We could keep them locked up while we try and find a 'cure'. :)

[jacquelyne]

I must be twisted then.If anyone touched my child i would KILL THEM WITH NO HESITATION (will never happen i dont give it a chance to).This is a great thread and is the way i think about those sick fucks.I know a few people that have been hurt as children and it never goes away from them.Actually paedophiles are my worst hate and if caught should be slowly tortured for days or weeks until they cant handle the pain and die a horrible miserable and painful death.Put them in a prison and let all the big fellas have there way with him with barbed wire, broken bottles etc etc etc.That sounds pretty sick i cannot stand children being taken advantage of in any way shape or form.WHY IS IT CHILDREN ? Because they are weak as piss and prey on young ones because they know they usually get away with it.Try molesting a grown man or woman and see how far you get then FUCKING NOWHERE.Actually it wouldnt even have to be my own child i would knife a paedophile if i knew of one for touching ANY kid.Some parents dont care about there kids so another adult has to step in to get something done.

[gildong.]

hey fenzi if u see this come to the cannabis chat room n PM me plz i have a question(sorry this doesnt ahve to do with THREAD ALL)

[gildong.]

k nvm - _- im sorry

[stoner spirit]

Several things you can do to these sick bastards.
1. burn those sick fucks at the stake
2. use medieval torture devices on them
3. feed them to ravinous wolves
4. use them as targets for either bows or guns
5. use them as practice dummies when you are using bladed objects
6. hang them and have a sword rung through their bellies
7. beat the hell out of them with heavy wooden katanas
8. put them in huge bronze statues of demons surrounded by a pull of water, then boil them alive
9. use them as crash test dummies
10. cut off their penuses, and make them live in a colony of eunics
I can go on with other things of that nature, but that's enough visual images for now.

[420purplehaze420]

one of my good friends who is a girl was raped by a some goof who was only 4 yrs older than her and she didnt tell anyone but me a year later so i went over to this goofs house knocked on his door his mom came to the door and i asked if he was in so she went and got him when he came to the door i wound up and punched him in the jaw as hard as i possibly could he went down so i kicked him as hard as i could in the ribs and in the face atleast 10 times well anyways his mom called the cops and i got charged for assault and battery and im still goin through all the legal issues. as for him he didnt get jack shit for his crime it makes me sick

[tylerkane]

ok.ok.ok.ok.
cousians? Please learn how to spell.
shoot them with your gun? Please leave out your gay terminology, homo.
"kill ppls 100 dif ways wif yer bear hands". All you have to do to kill someone is show them your horrible grammar, you bad ass.

Speaking of sexual offenders, my 9th grade English teacher was arrested 2 days ago for having sex with a 16 year old. I laughed, cause the girl was a sloppy whore and she deserved it.

[Mojavpa]

Why dont we try to figure out why there are so many child molesters in America in the first place? I dont know the exact figures, but I know some countries and societies have way more, or somehow produce more pedophiles than other countries. If we know the answer to this difficult question, then we'll get closer to solving the problem.

[ADaisyChain]

I must be twisted then.If anyone touched my child i would KILL THEM WITH NO HESITATION (will never happen i dont give it a chance to).This is a great thread and is the way i think about those sick fucks.I know a few people that have been hurt as children and it never goes away from them.Actually paedophiles are my worst hate and if caught should be slowly tortured for days or weeks until they cant handle the pain and die a horrible miserable and painful death.Put them in a prison and let all the big fellas have there way with him with barbed wire, broken bottles etc etc etc.That sounds pretty sick i cannot stand children being taken advantage of in any way shape or form.WHY IS IT CHILDREN ? Because they are weak as piss and prey on young ones because they know they usually get away with it.Try molesting a grown man or woman and see how far you get then FUCKING NOWHERE.Actually it wouldnt even have to be my own child i would knife a paedophile if i knew of one for touching ANY kid.Some parents dont care about there kids so another adult has to step in to get something done.

I feel for you, but in all honesty you can't be there to make sure your children never get molested. No matter what you do there's no foolproof way. Take all the precautions you can of course, but sometimes things just happen. Sometimes it happens in school, that doesn't mean you should homeschool your kids. In alot of cases the only thing you can do is inform your kids to the best of your ability and make sure they tell you if anything happens, and especially focus on letting them know how to prevent anything from happening. And don't do it angrily, because sometimes kids get the idea that if you got mad about talking about it ((who doesn't child molestation infuriate? child molesters, and that's about it.)) they'll think you'll get mad if they tell you about it. You've got kids to raise, so don't go knifing someone if you find out about a child molester. :p

Even if one of your kids ((How long until the next one pops out anyway?)) gets molested, which hopefully won't happen, all you can do is take it up with the police. Because I guarantee losing their mom ((aka, you being in jail throughout their years of growing up)) would be 100x more painful to them then some dirtly old pervert touching them funny.

Does your first one still have his mullet?

[slipknotpsycho]

dont' say it won't ever happen, i've found this to be true in almost all cases, it happens when you least expect it, or from the person you'd least expect of it.


another question just came to mind, how come there's a thread about this, but not about the people that murder for their own sick pleasure? just seems they are about equal, i mean if it's a pedophile, it hurts your kid for the rest of his/her life, but if it's a murderer it hurts you/anyone else attatched to the person for the rest of their life.

[Stedric]

If I had a kid and someone molested him/her, there's no telling what I'd do. In that kind of a situation no one can say for sure how they'd react.

I'm not sure why we keep trying to rehabilitate these people when its clear that rehabilitation is unsuccesful.

On another note, why is this in the sexuality forum?

[trippruss]

i started this thread after recent abductions/murders had happened. being a victim of abuse myself & also being in the prison system, gave me a unique view of how these people are being "coddled" by the system. it made me sick that the d.o.c. gave these guys preferrable treatment, early releases, or release @ all. it's like our children are sub-human with sub-human rights. victimize a child & get 4yrs in prison, with good time & all early release options. get caught with a bunch of pot & you will do every bit of your time & the parole board will make sure you do additional time. this is in michigan mind you but most states dont have the resources to keep them as long as they need to be kept, forever. they need to make room for dope cases who go in forever sometimes. let's say some greasy monster sodomizes 10 little boys over the course of his life, usually it's much more, how many of those kids will grow up to do the same? one thing is very certain, all monsters in our society were abused by someone @ a very early & impressionable age, ALL OF THEM. it's a growing epedemic & we as a society are letting our future down BIG time. i feel chemical castration in order to get released after 1st offense should be mandatory in all states. here in this state they already have several prison FULL of nothing but these sick bastards, how long until they start letting them out in masse to make room for the killers & gangbangers? r

[amsterdam]

you write your congressman and DEMAND they pass Lundsfords law in your state.This calls for mandatory 25 year aggravated sentences for first time offenders,life for a second offence.

after getting out after 25 years(if they make it out) they also have to wear a tracking device for the rest of their lives.

its a good law and one that should be passed in EVERY state.

[GHoSToKeR]

it's a growing epedemic
Exactly! Think of paedophilia and sexual deviancy (in this case I mean sexual deviancy as in sexual acts that are considered crimes, such as rape, etc..) as a disease (for want of a better word), an unstoppable epidemic that is sweeping through our societies. You could take action and 'treat' the symptons (by doing some of the things you guys have suggested in this thread.. murdering them, etc), but this would not stop the epidemic from spreading (if this worked would there still be these kind of people?) or you could find the CAUSE, the Patient X, so to speak. Find what causes this kind of behaviour, study it, take as much preventative action as you can, and hopefully, in the future, you'll see a decline. If not, then do it again. Try something else. You guys should know that putting people in jail only harms the individual... it only stops the person put in jail from doing what it is they were put in jail for. It obviously doesn't work, and neither would killing them all. Don't you guys get that?

[bhallg2k]

Exactly! Think of paedophilia and sexual deviancy (in this case I mean sexual deviancy as in sexual acts that are considered crimes, such as rape, etc..) as a disease (for want of a better word), an unstoppable epidemic that is sweeping through our societies. You could take action and 'treat' the symptons (by doing some of the things you guys have suggested in this thread.. murdering them, etc), but this would not stop the epidemic from spreading (if this worked would there still be these kind of people?) or you could find the CAUSE, the Patient X, so to speak. Find what causes this kind of behaviour, study it, take as much preventative action as you can, and hopefully, in the future, you'll see a decline. If not, then do it again. Try something else. You guys should know that putting people in jail only harms the individual... it only stops the person put in jail from doing what it is they were put in jail for. It obviously doesn't work, and neither would killing them all. Don't you guys get that?

Actually, according to the Justice Department, violent crimes (including rape and sexual assault) are on the decline and have been since 1992.

What you're seeing is an increase in national exposure to such events. The reason for that is completely beyond me.

[GHoSToKeR]

Ah! Again I show my lack of knowledge by jumping in to a conversation about something I know little about, but still have big ideas. lol

[amsterdam]

the exposure is great,these molesters are people who dont "get better" and need to be taken out of society for good.

[Lulu]

you write your congressman and DEMAND they pass Lundsfords law in your state.This calls for mandatory 25 year aggravated sentences for first time offenders,life for a second offence.

after getting out after 25 years(if they make it out) they also have to wear a tracking device for the rest of their lives.

its a good law and one that should be passed in EVERY state.

100% agree
Every State and hopefully every country. They don't get better, how can you cure someone of their sexuality?
They need to be TAGGED, closely monitored, curfews, police station sign-in's etc.
FOREVER

[GHoSToKeR]

That's fair enough, and I totally agree...

Our society is sick, and these people are the symptons... don't you think, like I said earlier, that fighting the disease would be a better solution than fighting the symptons? You can blow your nose over and over, but it'll just keep getting bunged up again and again until you get rid of the cold.

PS.. Sorry for the crappy analargy, I'm kinda stoned! :D I think you guys get my point, though. :)

[420purplehaze420]

On another note, why is this in the sexuality forum?
yeah its kind of disturbing seems like something better fitted for the lounge or somethin

[amsterdam]

child molesters engage in sexual activity with children,thats why it is this forum.

[420purplehaze420]

yeah but as humans we have rights and cannot be critisized on our sexual conduct or acts, our sexuality. so according to this statement its ok to fuck anything you want but the acception is children.its not these peoples sexuality that makes them do this its obviously something fucked in there head, either they were fucked as children so they think its ok or they choose kids because there weak and can be forced to do all this disgusting shit. but anyways back to the origional question what to do about this? well take the initiative to write to the right people and make it so that if these people fuck kids once it sure as hell wont happen again

[amsterdam]

i have never in my life heard of rights saying people cant be critisized?people participating in irresponsible sexual activity like endangering lives having unprotected sex should be called out.

[jacquelyne]

I do understand i cant be there always but the only people that i will let watch my son is my sister,sister in law and my mum.I do tell him things so he realises what is right from wrong in the way of how he should be treated by others.I am very protective of him i feel i have to be because nobody else will be because he has a very sweet little heart and kidsb think adults are always right even if they are not.I just hope so much that if anything happened like that to him that he could tell me without me thinking it was his fault or something i always tell him that if he is truthful to me i wont get angry at him no matter what he has done.Yea he has the mullet still but i changed it a bit and made it look better because i have to cut it when he goes to school.The other day a chinese lady gave him a big cuddle and told him he was beautiful and looked like a warrior lol.My baby is due on 4th december.Cant wait.ain]I feel for you, but in all honesty you can't be there to make sure your children never get molested. No matter what you do there's no foolproof way. Take all the precautions you can of course, but sometimes things just happen. Sometimes it happens in school, that doesn't mean you should homeschool your kids. In alot of cases the only thing you can do is inform your kids to the best of your ability and make sure they tell you if anything happens, and especially focus on letting them know how to prevent anything from happening. And don't do it angrily, because sometimes kids get the idea that if you got mad about talking about it ((who doesn't child molestation infuriate? child molesters, and that's about it.)) they'll think you'll get mad if they tell you about it. You've got kids to raise, so don't go knifing someone if you find out about a child molester. :p

Even if one of your kids ((How long until the next one pops out anyway?)) gets molested, which hopefully won't happen, all you can do is take it up with the police. Because I guarantee losing their mom ((aka, you being in jail throughout their years of growing up)) would be 100x more painful to them then some dirtly old pervert touching them funny.

Does your first one still have his mullet?[/QUOTE]

[im53rebelhipy]

I was molested as a child protected my three sisters from this person and never told until 1986, which shocked my poor mother only to find out that this man her stepfather did the same thing to her when she was young and at the time was just very good friend of the family. I have 2 Ideas of what to do with these pices of slime 1
just puy them in general population in the prison system I.m sure they will be taken care of appropriately....... 2 public castration and then public stoning and I don't mean the smoking kind you can do that after.......... AND WARN OUR KIDS LET THEM KNOW IT IS ALL RIGHT TO TELL, THAT THEY ARE NOT THE ONES BEING BAD........

[Mojavpa]

That's fair enough, and I totally agree...

Our society is sick, and these people are the symptons... don't you think, like I said earlier, that fighting the disease would be a better solution than fighting the symptons? You can blow your nose over and over, but it'll just keep getting bunged up again and again until you get rid of the cold.

PS.. Sorry for the crappy analargy, I'm kinda stoned! :D I think you guys get my point, though. :)

Exactly! Thats pretty much what I said earlier but no one took notice, I guess. :(

[Stedric]

child molesters engage in sexual activity with children,thats why it is this forum.
Don't confuse sexual assault with consensual sexual activity, they are two different things.

Molestation and sexual assault is about power, not about lust.

[Mojavpa]

Don't confuse sexual assault with consensual sexual activity, they are two different things.

Molestation and sexual assault is about power, not about lust.


But the question is, when is it defined as consensual and when is it about power? A 14 year old girl might "consent" to having sex with a 21 year old. Did the 21 year old commit sexual assault? What about a 9 year old girl? Are our laws defining when a person becomes capable of making responsible decisions sufficient, or not?

[amsterdam]

im not a lawyer,but the though of a 21 year old sleepng with a 14 year old is disgusting.that should fall into the fucking common sense category.

[Stedric]

I think any sexual situation where there is a power imbalance (excluding consensual BDSM of course) is abuse regardless of consent or not.

[Mojavpa]

im not a lawyer,but the though of a 21 year old sleepng with a 14 year old is disgusting.that should fall into the fucking common sense category.

I do too. But when is someone old enough? 17, like the law says? Should a guy go to jail for having sex with a girl who is two months shy of her 17th birthday?

[slipknotpsycho]

technically, a man can go to jail for having sex with a girl just one day shy of her 18th birthday.

[ADaisyChain]

technically, a man can go to jail for having sex with a girl just one day shy of her 18th birthday.

but SHOULD he?

[slipknotpsycho]

does it matter? he's labled as a sex offender and should be killed or infected with any number of std's to be a lab monkey, well atleast according to you people.

[weirdo79]

Actually theres a huge difference between assault and consent slipknot.....Thats why its called STATUATORY rape not just rape......it's because they're not "fully developed,mentally or physically" (which is unfortunately a biological fact despite the screamings of many teens...). Not to say adults dont make mistakes but they go to jail alot longer for those same mistakes ;).

Were talking molesters not all sex offenders, if you were sued by your secretary for slapping her ass chances are you also got charged with sexual assault you are now a sexual offender. It's called common sense. The difference between a crime of passion and a serial killer.....if you need an analogy.

Also im the one who suggested the lab , so it would be like "weirdo79" not "you people". So if you have a problem with it describe your question or counterpoint ;). Most people just described physical violence, not torture. I'm espousing torture. To me its a stronger deterrant. And, it would only be used in DNA(open and shut) cases as I clearly pointed out in my post(but I guess you were too busy skimming the posts to read em).

See we already know how to "cure" the disease the problem is keeping the freed "molestors" on their meds....Chemical Castration works wonders, I suggest just plain old physical castration , its permanent and blocks the same receptors which "turn them on". We can kill anyone's sexual desire(with men its the easiest too) and if fundings any indicator apparently the reverse is the number one issue in today's america....mmm viagra.....

I personally still advocate torture as thats what their victim goes through daily , as well it costs the taxpayer less and helps medical science.

Although im basically an immoral hateful spitefilled bastard, but thats only what my friends tell me ;). So what do I know......Perhaps some more venomous vitriol?

[ADaisyChain]

does it matter? he's labled as a sex offender and should be killed or infected with any number of std's to be a lab monkey, well atleast according to you people.

lolol. Psycho, I love ya man, but you're all offwhack here. We all recognize the difference between a 40 year old fingerbanging a 2 year old and a 22 year old fucking a 17 year old. If the government was going to change how they deal with sexual offenders, they'd also have to ensure that they recognize the various "degrees" of sexual offenders.

We ain't talkin' black an white. It's all grey from here.

[slipknotpsycho]

i'm just trying to get everyone to understand what they're saying and how it could effect even the ones suggesting it. can you honestly say you'd still be for it if say, the person you love the most in the world and couldn't even take hearing they got locked in jail for 2 yrs. were convited of the crime and then they were subjected to what you propose? yes sexual assualt is a major fuckin problem right now, and i fully agree something more than what's happening now drasticly needs to be done, but what most are suggesting is just plain out barbaric and in-humane, and even if us did implement such laws, do you really think they'd take the time to specify which ones are deserving and which aren't? i don't think so, i think they'd just stick with the "under 18 and your fucked" law i've said it before in this topic and i'll say it again, maybe i'm just way more empathetic than most, but the whole idea of subjecting them to such punishment doesn't really seem logical, or sane for that matter. i can't really say much more than that about why it shouldn't be ok to do such things, since i can't (and have tried for the past 2 or 3 weeks) find an alternative to what they are recieving now. it's stastical fact that most that are "rehabillitated" aren't really that way (think it's something like 80% of them will re-offend) but that is still 20% of the people that were: incapable of making coherent discions due to any number of reasons, framed people or ones that decided they couldn't wait another few months to bang the neighbors daughter, or idiots who mad horrible choices, being subjected to such things. i just can't understand it i've put my self in the shoes of if a loved one commited such an act, and then recieved this type of punishment, and just to think how it'd feel if my brother became a forced std carrier to be tested on (like i said, i don't think they'd just stick it to dna evidence, i think they'd do it to anyone that pleades no contest, guilty or is convicted/ajudicated of such a crime)


the only proposal i could possibly think of, just wouldn't work. send them all to their own island, basicly like a giant prison, and force all to wear tracking devices to ensure they don't escape. well i guess noone here really sees it the way i do

[ADaisyChain]

Or that 20% could be the 20% that don't get CAUGHT a second time. Or they could die before they do it again. Or the police could be watching them too close. And perhaps 2% of em were the guys who were 19 and fucked a 17 year old, or the ones that got framed or something.

Sure, some of the proposals made here have been barbaric, but I think we'd only want to apply those to open and shut cases. AKA - Mom walks in on dad humping 4 year old, 4 year old points at dad and points to where dad touched her with weiner, dad cries in court of embarassment, etc.

There's always amsterdams proposal. 25 years mandatory, tracking device the rest of their lives. Certainly not barbaric, and certainly not too harsh. And our government even currently recognizes the severity of sexual crimes. Thats why the guy who rapes a 20 year oldl will get less time then the guy who rapes a 7 year old while simotaneously cutting her with shards of glass. And they will BOTH get more time then the 19 year old who fucks his 17 year old highschool sweetheart of 5 years.

I like the island idea though. I can see alot of reality tv show opportunities with it, ya feelin' me?

PS - If a loved one committed one of those acts, one of the really bad ones ((not like having sex with a chick a couple months under the legal age)) they lose their status as a loved one. -shrugs-

[amsterdam]

18 years old should limit ANY confusion.

[GHoSToKeR]

the whole idea of subjecting them to such punishment doesn't really seem logical, or sane for that matter.

Slipknot, dude, I totally agree with you. Looks like we're alone on this though.. lol

I also agree with amsterdam's and Lulu's suggestion. As much as I don't agree with putting people in jail, I admit that sometimes there is currently no other alternative. Madnatory life sentence, no parol, tracking devices, etc.

[amsterdam]

its not a proposal,its the new law in like 12 states,and its a good one that should be supported.it isnt perfect,but it keeps these MONSTERS away from society for a long,long,long time.

[howto]

PS - If a loved one committed one of those acts, one of the really bad ones ((not like having sex with a chick a couple months under the legal age)) they lose their status as a loved one. -shrugs-[/QUOTE]

I like this last quote.

I have some very close people in my life who have been molested. I also "had" one of my best friends tell me he was a child molester, over a hundred kids. Turned him in. Of course I did. You have a sex problem? There's plenty of consenting adults you can have sex with DO NOT HURT LITTLE CHILDREN! Plain and simple. So for me, what do I say we do? First I say we cut their ball off, then their penis, then their tounges, then their fingers and toes one at a time. Then both their eyes and their nose. You leave the ear's so, like the movie, they can hear every scream and shreik from people saying "what is that thing"!


Howto

[GHoSToKeR]

Okay, if somebody is a paedophile you torture them. Right?

So what do you do about people who torture people?

[amsterdam]

no torture,long prison terms in general population.ouch!!

[slipknotpsycho]

i could agree with amsterdam, seems to be the only logical solution at the present time, but it needs something more....we don't want to have proof of what these people are doing, we need to stop it before it happens, once it happens the child will face the pain for the rest of their life.....so they stilll need to be able to be put somewhere kids will not venture, and if they stray outside that boundary (the predator) then police are immediately dispatched to throw them in prison

[weirdo79]

As to ghost , unless their in the prison system as scientists doing medical research (which they already do on all sorts of thinking animals anyway....) then they'de be charged just like any other "torturer" please dont grasp for straws. As someone pointed out earlier its not black and white. And, that is simple common sense.

Also I agree with someone else who said "if my loved one raped someone then they wouldnt be a loved one anymore" I'm sorry I love my brother but if he did that, he belongs in that medical experiment just as much as the rest. Id feel bad, but he did it , he made the choice. And, he made someone else a victim....

and Slip what do you think they would do on that island?And , what do we do to feed them? etc etc. I say fuck em. And, I prefer not to use profanity. What happens when the island isnt big enough, Sending someone to a desert island or a tropical island etc isnt much of a detterrant in my eyes.

People keep bringing up "what do we do about minor cases" since this has been explicity stated by several people(including myself) before, I suggest you just read the first pages through to the last ;). Since we've covered it already. Please stop rehashing it as a new arguement when its been covered :). OPEN AND SHUT CASES ONLY! , you will NEVER have a perfect system until we can literally read everyones minds.....Innocent people go to jail now , for crimes they never committed problem is theres always a flaw in the evidence. It takes complicity from either police , Jury or prosecutor (or even the defending attorney) to fabricate and lie. So they leave behind evidence. Basically we should enforce the rule that you never investigate someone you know ;). Which is already a rule which is hardly enforced among lawmen.

[GHoSToKeR]

Hey, I know of an island we could use... I think it's called something like Osstrailier.....

[tokosan]

how about a barbell chained to thier repective genital organ? then toss into a river of pirhannas.

[Stedric]

how about a barbell chained to thier repective genital organ? then toss into a river of pirhannas.
How incredibly civil of you.

[amsterdam]

How incredibly civil of you.

the laws most states have in the books for child sex offenders with offenders doing about 5 years on average for sodomizing a child are civil.its time to stop being nice to these sick fucks and getting hard on them.25 years for first offence,life for the second no questions asked.

civil?hell no.

[Stedric]

the laws most states have in the books for child sex offenders with offenders doing about 5 years on average for sodomizing a child are civil.its time to stop being nice to these sick fucks and getting hard on them.25 years for first offence,life for the second no questions asked.

civil?hell no.
Then the dark side has already won.

Seriously, how low are you willing to stoop in the name of justice? How many evil doers do you have to punish before you become one yourself?

Lock em up and throw away the key.

[NowhereMan]

the laws do not protect the children
but i will protect mine
and i will hand out a death sentence to anyone who molest my kid
or anyone who molest's a kid that i see doing it,
i will shoot the sick mother fucker in thge head on site
and i will shoot the first cop who comes to arrest me for it,and the next and the next untill they shoot me
child rapist and any rapist needs hung by the neck untill dead
period,

[trippruss]

right on Nowhereman! what alot of these peeps dont realize is that prison isn't what ya'll think it is. if anyone read any of my last posts, they make entire prisons for them, at least in michigan. they practically run several prisons here in mich. due to the sheer volume of CSC cases in here. they are pampered becuz they are all snitches & tell the corr. officers everything they want to know. prison isn't a punishment for them, wasn't for me. yea, it sucked, but what alot of peeps dont realize is that every responsibility is removed from a person, no bills, no obligations, no decision making. we're all told where to go, when to go there, & how to do it. prison is a vacation from life, yea, your liberties are taken away, no sex with opposite sex, but there is all the drugs, booze & sex anyone could ever get in there. so tell me, what would prison do for a molester? puts them in with others of same nature so they can trade stories & ideas about who to abuse, how not to get caught, where to dump the bodies. i've been in the worst prisons in michigan & find it strange the the CSC fucks always go to camp candyass, why? so they wont be fuked with, tortured, & killed. a dead snitch does the D.O.C. no good, cant even get the federal $ for them @ that point. I may be wrong but people who voice compasion for sex offenders are either offenders therselves or have never had kids or been abused themselves. sometimes a person must stand up for what's right even if it's against the law. if someone inappropiately touched one of my sons, i would snuff that person out like they were the virus they acted like. i could hold my head up high in prison with the knowledge that i removed a person like that from this plane of existence. believe me, i would have it made in the joint after such an event. i would not want for anything except my freedom & that is relative & in our heads. been more free in prison than i was walking the streets in my prison of addiction. for those who are Christian, God works thru humans & if i took one out who is to say that is not what God wanted & He was working thru me to save some children? sounds like slipknotphsyco got popped with an underaged girl or he honestly doesn't think these people are bad. it's been an observation of mine that anyone who shows the slightest compasion for these monsters, are one or have a loved one that is one. r

[amsterdam]

Then the dark side has already won.

Seriously, how low are you willing to stoop in the name of justice? How many evil doers do you have to punish before you become one yourself?

Lock em up and throw away the key.

o.k.,then we should house them with your children in a secure location.

gimme a break making excuses for child molesters.

[Stedric]

o.k.,then we should house them with your children in a secure location.

gimme a break making excuses for child molesters.
How am I making an excuse for them?! I am saying we could do with less machismo "I'm going to take them out in a blaze of glory" bullshit. That never happens, we don't live in a fucking action movie where killing people is going to make things any better.

[GHoSToKeR]

I may be wrong but people who voice compasion for sex offenders are either offenders therselves
I have absolutely no compassion for people like that, but it doesn't make me want to see normal, civilised humans turn blood-thirsty and talk about the worst ways to torture other humans. I have NO compassion for people like that either.

[Stedric]

I have absolutely no compassion for people like that, but it doesn't make me want to see normal, civilised humans turn blood-thirsty and talk about the worst ways to torture other humans. I have NO compassion for people like that either.
Exactly, what is the point of becoming a barbarian just for the sake of punishing one? The worst atrocities commited in history were commited in the name of good intentions.

[amsterdam]

i dont want to "take them out" at all,i want every state to pass Lundsfords law.

[slipknotpsycho]

I may be wrong but people who voice compasion for sex offenders are either offenders therselves or have never had kids or been abused themselves.

yes you are wrong, i was abused as a child and not even i would think to do what some have proposed. i feel no love or feelings whatsoever for my abuser, but would never think of putting another human being through being infected with an std to be tested upon., or chaining their penis to a barbell and dumping them into some river to be eaten alive or any other form of torture that has been suggested


sometimes a person must stand up for what's right even if it's against the law
and that is what i'm doing now, it's not right, no matter what they've done to torture them, at most lock them up for life where they are never to see another person again...muchless get the chance to do it again. what good is it really doing to kill someone? think about this: if they're dead, they don't suffer with the consequences. my brother was murdered, do i want the guy to be put to death? nope, i want him to sit in prison for as long as possible....because if i was faced with death or sitting the rest of my life in prison i'd rather be dead, therefore by giving me death you'd be doing me a favor. yes it's true that there woudl be a chance he could get out, and some people are just not meant to be in society because they can't seem to control themselves, but death isn't always the right answer, and torture is never the right answer.

[Melton420]

do the same thing to them as they did to the person