If you are interested in finding more about Islam or the purpose of life plz listen!

[Lily420]

I Listened to this and I just love it! It really opened my mind and made me see clearer that we are here for a purpose and that I am here to do sumthing and that something has a cause in the end and that is what we are here to do. This is not a lecture for Muslims but this is an advice to everyone! If you are interested plz listen to the audio it is quite long and it has 2 parts but its worth it. I hope you enjoy it as much as i do, and i hope you learn and understand everything in the audio.

If you are not muslim i just want you to know that Muslims respect the bible and the tora because our religion isent very diffrent and i ask you all to please post ur feeback as mature as you can.

http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=scholarlessons&scholar_id=7

[harmonicminor]

they also have to start wars every 10 years because of thier religion and thier people committ suicide. do you want to know of a good religion that deals with more than this reality? look up Eckankar. The living Eck Masters are the closest thing to god on this planet. The bible of Eck "Shiriyat Ki Sugmad" is 10,000 years old. The next best religion would be Buddism.

[amsterdam]

alot of scholars debate if buddism is a religon or philosophy.i could care less.i can only think of that moron richard gere when i think of buddism.

[mrdevious]

alot of scholars debate if buddism is a religon or philosophy.

only because the dictionary definition of religion was written too narrow-mindedly, a western style of thinking that didn't consider faith without god to be a religion. buddhism still discusses the true nature of reality and afterlife, just as the rest of the world tries to explain it with god. religion isn't really about god, it's about explaining our existence, weather it be through god or not.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I could not get the audio to play.

I will refrain from giving a lengthy opinion about the theology of islam, but its people do not support freedom, as we know it. If they did, bin laden, and people like him, would not be running around murdering innocent people.

If you think that American laws are tough on pot smokers, try getting caught in a Moslem country.

I see practitioners of islam all the time, and have worked with some at jobs. Even the "moderate" ones want to eliminate the First Amendment, and turn the U.S. into another Koran-ruled theocracy. Many of them claim to be "non-violent", but if this is their agenda, then they should not even be here.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Just a little clarification: By "agenda", I did not mean non-violence - I mean their opposition to freedom.

When you say, "our religion isent very diffrent", you should have said "my religion isn't very different" - because not everybody here practices your religion (whatever that is), or Islam.

Some people actually have NO religion!

[Torog]

I Listened to this and I just love it! It really opened my mind and made me see clearer that we are here for a purpose and that I am here to do sumthing and that something has a cause in the end and that is what we are here to do. This is not a lecture for Muslims but this is an advice to everyone! If you are interested plz listen to the audio it is quite long and it has 2 parts but its worth it. I hope you enjoy it as much as i do, and i hope you learn and understand everything in the audio.

If you are not muslim i just want you to know that Muslims respect the bible and the tora because our religion isent very diffrent and i ask you all to please post ur feeback as mature as you can.

http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=scholarlessons&scholar_id=7
Howdy Lily,

Let me tell you young lady,you are heading down a dangerous and false path..non can enter Heaven,except through Jesus Christ..there's a reason why,Salmon Rushdie wrote his book about Islam,titled the "Satanic Verses".

I have lived and worked in Saudi,drillin water wells for em,and it was an awful experience,living under sharia law and fundy Islam..if you make the mistake of marrying a muslim man,who takes you to Saudi,like for the pilgrimage to Mecca,you may never come back,and if you have children,he will take them away from you and the Saudi goverment,will help him to do so. If you offend your muslim husband,he can kill you on the spot,if you do harm to his 'honor'.

You will lose all rights as a woman and citizen of America,and spend the rest of your days in fear of what your muslim husband is sanctioned to do to you,under Islamic and sharia law. You will become his property. Every freedom that you take for granted,will be stripped away.

I apologize,if I have offended you,but I'm speaking to you as a father of a daughter(she's 25 now),and I'm very concerned that you have no idea of what will become of you,if you marry a muslim man.

I can't help but wonder,do you believe in the number one goal of Islam ? That being the destruction of Israel and the driving of all Jews,into the sea ? Another goal,equal in nature,is the conversion of the entire world,into Darfur..do you believe that also ?

Have a good one .....

[chilli]

I don't post on here much, but just wanted to say well-said to Torog and Breukelen advocaat. Couldn't have said it better myself :rolleyes:

[Torog]

I don't post on here much, but just wanted to say well-said to Torog and Breukelen advocaat. Couldn't have said it better myself :rolleyes:
Howdy chilli,

Well I'll be danged ! Thanx for them kind words,but I expect that there will soon be angry words and condemnation,from fellow cannibinauts..soon..it's the calm before the storm..oh well,everything that I said,is true,I know folks will think that I'm being hateful-but truly,I don't speak from hate,I speak from experience and out of concern,as a father.

Have a good one !

[chilli]

Howdy chilli,

Well I'll be danged ! Thanx for them kind words,but I expect that there will soon be angry words and condemnation,from fellow cannibinauts..soon..it's the calm before the storm..oh well,everything that I said,is true,I know folks will think that I'm being hateful-but truly,I don't speak from hate,I speak from experience and out of concern,as a father.

Have a good one !

Hi Torog, no problem, and I assume that there will be some angry words coming your way soon. But IMHO you are absolutely right and I can also say that from the experience my best friend went through when she managed to start dating Muslim men not once, but twice. It was a very bad time of her and our lives. :(

Anyway keep up the good work and independent thinking ;)

[Button Basher]

What makes you think she wants to marry a muslim man Torog? She just wants people to learn more about the religion.

And there are plenty of good Muslim Americans and Britons that arn't so dedicated to Islam as to strip a woman of her freedom in the way you just described. Fundamentalist Christians are ALWAYS narrow-mindedly trying to convert people to their religion, at the same time there are good Christian folk that live by the Bible but whole-heartedly believe in each his own and therefore do not invade the space of others with their beliefs.

The same for Muslim folk. Should Lily or any other woman move to Saudi with a muslim husband with a strong muslim heritage in the family, they'd most definitely be under pressure to convert. However, many Muslims living under our Western culture understand that this is not how people should be treated in a democratic society and we make our own choices based on our own beliefs.

Surely you have met a muslim with an American accent Torog? You gotta remember they're not all faith-hungry, religion freaks, much like many Christians are not.

[Torog]

What makes you think she wants to marry a muslim man Torog? She just wants people to learn more about the religion.

And there are plenty of good Muslim Americans and Britons that arn't so dedicated to Islam as to strip a woman of her freedom in the way you just described. Fundamentalist Christians are ALWAYS narrow-mindedly trying to convert people to their religion, at the same time there are good Christian folk that live by the Bible but whole-heartedly believe in each his own and therefore do not invade the space of others with their beliefs.

The same for Muslim folk. Should Lily or any other woman move to Saudi with a muslim husband with a strong muslim heritage in the family, they'd most definitely be under pressure to convert. However, many Muslims living under our Western culture understand that this is not how people should be treated in a democratic society and we make our own choices based on our own beliefs.

Surely you have met a muslim with an American accent Torog? You gotta remember they're not all faith-hungry, religion freaks, much like many Christians are not.
Howdy BB,

Well..just yesterday in chat,Lily mentioned that she was interested in marrying a muslim man..and I've been worried and concerned for her,ever since.

Every muslim,is required to make the pilgrimage to Mecca,at least once in their lives..that's how muslim men,trick former infidels,like Lily,into going to a fundy islamic country,that will then support whatever the muslim husband wishes to do to his wife..whether that's honor killing or simply a beating.. or keeping their children..the muslim man will not be prosecuted for anything.

From what I've gathered,Lily has already converted to Islam and now wants to take the final step of marrying a muslim man..the question is,is that man a fundy jihadist,or one of the many muslims who prefer western freedoms ?

I don't believe,that I've ever met a muslim with a western accent..they are few and far between,in these here parts..but there's a bunch of em,in the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex. We have over 100 Christian churches,in a town of less than 20k folks,and not a single mosque or synagogue..if that tells ya anything.

I would be more positive..if those good muslims you speak of,would step forward and denounce the bad muslims,but they don't and they may not ever..until then,the Free world has no choice but to assume and presume,the worst,about Islam.

Have a good one ....

[Button Basher]

I don't believe,that I've ever met a muslim with a western accent..they are few and far between,in these here parts..

That's a shame. I believe a hearty chat with a non-fundamentalist Muslim would benefit your judgment a great deal.


I would be more positive..if those good muslims you speak of,would step forward and denounce the bad muslims,but they don't and they may not ever.

In light of the terrorist attacks we suffered recently, many Muslim Britons have spoken out in the media against the attackers (of whom targeted all religions) in an effort to suppress rampant hatred towards ALL Muslims for the evils of a few. It's entirely necessary in my opinion, although an innocent Muslim was killed in an unprovoked attack recently, most definitely as part of the backlash to the attacks so it didn't work as well as hoped :( .

It's a shame you guys would sooner air an anti-muslim commercial on TV then allow the minority their public say during a time in which they are very much likely to be victimised for their shared beliefs.

Would you take my word for it that not all Muslims are Jihad-loving psychos and are in fact good people like you and me?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4677633.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4679001.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4678601.stm

[Encatuse]

Torog, I believe that such extremist beliefs may be leading you down a very dangerous road full of hatred and false judgement. It's not like christians haven't been startin wars and killin people for thousands of years too.....

[Fengzi]

Howdy Lily,

Let me tell you young lady,you are heading down a dangerous and false path..non can enter Heaven,except through Jesus Christ.....

I didn't realize God supported seggregation. Does he wear a robe and pointy white hat too?

This is what really gets me about most Christians. To be so arogant as to assume that only if you worship their god and follow their religin that you can get into heaven. There are a lot of good people in the world who aren't Christians. People who, if the only thing you knew about them was what they had done in their life, you would call saints. That is until you hear they aren't Christian and then they are condemmed.

Maybe all religions are, in fact, worshipping the same God. Think about it. There are a lot of different people in the world, people with different beliefs and different value systems. What might work for one society wouldn't work for another. If God is all knowing, omnipotent, wouldn't he know that? Wouldn't he know how to best present himself to each culture?

Me personally, I'm an agnostic, borderline atheist. But I'm a good person. I'm honest, try not to hurt anyone, love my wife and family, etc. I'd like to think that when the day actually comes, if there is, in fact, a God, he will judge me by my actions in my life and not by which God I did or didn't worship.

[andruejaysin]

Lily is right, though, Islam is very similar to Christianity in it's beliefs. I by no means mean that as an endorsement.

[Torog]

Howdy BB,

You say and ask: "It's a shame you guys would sooner air an anti-muslim commercial on TV then allow the minority their public say during a time in which they are very much likely to be victimised for their shared beliefs. "

"Would you take my word for it that not all Muslims are Jihad-loving psychos and are in fact good people like you and me? "

You see,that's the problem..the good muslims,won't step forward and denounce the jihadists,with a fatwa..until they do,they're just pissin in the wind.

I know that there are good muslims,but they are hard to find..they are too afraid of the jihadists,to step forward and issue a fatwa against them. Until they do,things will only git worse.

Have a good one !

[Torog]

I didn't realize God supported seggregation. Does he wear a robe and pointy white hat too?

This is what really gets me about most Christians. To be so arogant as to assume that only if you worship their god and follow their religin that you can get into heaven. There are a lot of good people in the world who aren't Christians. People who, if the only thing you knew about them was what they had done in their life, you would call saints. That is until you hear they aren't Christian and then they are condemmed.

Maybe all religions are, in fact, worshipping the same God. Think about it. There are a lot of different people in the world, people with different beliefs and different value systems. What might work for one society wouldn't work for another. If God is all knowing, omnipotent, wouldn't he know that? Wouldn't he know how to best present himself to each culture?

Me personally, I'm an agnostic, borderline atheist. But I'm a good person. I'm honest, try not to hurt anyone, love my wife and family, etc. I'd like to think that when the day actually comes, if there is, in fact, a God, he will judge me by my actions in my life and not by which God I did or didn't worship.
Howdy Fengzi,

Maybe one can git as far as the gates of Heaven,but before you enter,you must acknowledge,that Jesus Christ,is the Son of God.

Folks of every culture and race,have converted to Christianity..so it is possible,for even the most backward of peoples,to learn about Jesus Christ..and choose His Path. Whereas Islam,demands to be the only religion and instructs it's followers to slay Jews and infidels..or force them into dhimmitude.

I'm not demanding that you or anyone else,be a Christian and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour..I want your choice,to be purely voluntary..I don't condemn you or anyone else,that's God's job..and I dang sure won't kill anyone for not being Christian,like muslims would and do.

Have a good one....

[F L E S H]

I love Torog :D He goes and explains so nicely in the first post, and then destroys not only muslims, but every other religion in the second... :)

[Lily420]

I made this thread only because the Audio is very interesting and its all great advice. I dident post it so that everyone will convert into Islam and then maybe one guy would sweep me off my feet, No.

Torog, muslims believe in jesus but we dont believe hes the son of god...or that he is god...why would god come to earth as a man? We believe he is a prophet and that he was never killed on the cross, that one of his followers took his place on the cross and Jesus was taken up to heaven. We believe Jesus was thought to be God by christians because he could do miricles like make a blind man/ woman see and he could heal the sick. Our beleifs are very simalir and we believe christians r closest to god after the Muslims.

Im not trying to convince anyone, i just wanted everyone to enjoy the audio just as I did.

[Torog]

I made this thread only because the Audio is very interesting and its all great advice. I dident post it so that everyone will convert into Islam and then maybe one guy would sweep me off my feet, No.

Torog, muslims believe in jesus but we dont believe hes the son of god...or that he is god...why would god come to earth as a man? We believe he is a prophet and that he was never killed on the cross, that one of his followers took his place on the cross and Jesus was taken up to heaven. We believe Jesus was thought to be God by christians because he could do miricles like make a blind man/ woman see and he could heal the sick. Our beleifs are very simalir and we believe christians r closest to god after the Muslims.

Im not trying to convince anyone, i just wanted everyone to enjoy the audio just as I did.
Howdy Lily,

Well..I must admit,that I ain't listened to the audio clips that you speak of,because I figured that it was an 'evangilical',conversion propaganda..is it ? You say that it offers 'great advice'..on what ?

I believe and support your right to believe in what you wish,however,Islam,is a very bad religion for women,in terms of rights,there are virtually none,and if you hook up with a fundy muslim,you'll be mostly living in fear..for the rest of your life.

I just wish,that you could experience temporarily,what it's like to be a woman,in a fundy muslim country..I doubt seriously,if you'd like it at all..you've been raised with all the rights and freedoms that America has to offer..all of that,would vanish in the blink of an eye..in a fundy muslim country..are you prepared for that ? I think that you'd rebell against the loss of those freedoms and doing so,may cost you your life,because you're too young and immature to know when to be quiet. If you intend to remain muslim,at some point,you will be required to make the pilgrimage to Mecca..and that's when you'd be kept against your will,in Saudi,if you wind up marrying an arab-muslim..especially if that's his home country. Currently,this is an ongoing problem,and the current position of the Saudi goverment,is to side with the arab-muslim man,there have been several movies made of this serious problem..I wish that you would watch a couple of them.

Have a good one....

[robert42]

amen to that

[amsterdam]

this women has never laid a foot in a fundy muslim country.i say let her move over there and learn first hand.i bet after getting hit in the head with a bat for wearing make-up or holding hands would wake her up.both of wich i witnessed first hand in Riyadh,Saudi Arabia.good luck and god speed.

[Torog]

this women has never laid a foot in a fundy muslim country.i say let her move over there and learn first hand.i bet after getting hit in the head with a bat for wearing make-up or holding hands would wake her up.both of wich i witnessed first hand in Riyadh,Saudi Arabia.good luck and god speed.
Howdy amsterdam,

Yup..I too got to experience Riyahd,and it sucked..we were treated badly the whole time,like camel dung on the bottom of their sandals.

Have a good one...

[mand]

I'll be honest and say I haven't read all the posts on this thread,
Ok I am no femmenist, I believe that each of the genders has their seperate roles in life, but I am an independent woman who does like to have her say and do things without having to ask anyones permission to do so.
I have visted four Muslim countries in my life and I have witnessed with my own eyes their treatment of their women. A womans freedoms in such countries ranges from very poor to none at all, they are simply the property of their husband. The countries I have visted are Tunisa, morrocco, Eygpt amd Turkey, I would only venture out of the hotels when in the company of male family members and still some of the guys tried (very unsuccsesfully) to hassel me. Believe me that religion has a very different outlook on womens rights.

I don't mean to droll on about womens rights and all that stuff, that really isn't my scene, I'm just telling it as I have seen it.

love mand xxx

[amsterdam]

Istanbul has the best club scene,never saw alot of problems there with the half naked women in the club scene,not to mention how pro-america all the young people i met were.had a blast.as for saudi arabia,WOW.

[mrdevious]

Howdy Fengzi,

Maybe one can git as far as the gates of Heaven,but before you enter,you must acknowledge,that Jesus Christ,is the Son of God.

Folks of every culture and race,have converted to Christianity..so it is possible,for even the most backward of peoples,to learn about Jesus Christ..and choose His Path. Whereas Islam,demands to be the only religion and instructs it's followers to slay Jews and infidels..or force them into dhimmitude.

I'm not demanding that you or anyone else,be a Christian and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour..I want your choice,to be purely voluntary..I don't condemn you or anyone else,that's God's job..and I dang sure won't kill anyone for not being Christian,like muslims would and do.

Have a good one....

Personally, I just can't buy that you have to get to heaven (should there be one) through Jesus Christ. After all, the whole purpose of jesus giving us gods teachings was to instill a code of moral conduct in us which would get us into heaven. but, should we follow the same virtuous life and morality, but through buddhism, or hinduism, or whatever, then what's the problem? the only other problem I can see would be the belief of many people that we only go to church and follow these rules because the infinite wisdom that is god needs his ego stroked. if he doesn't, then it shouldn't matter what our religion is, just that we act and live as god wants us to.


btw Torog, I'm not asking this in a mocking way, I'm actaully just wondering from a christian point of view what the answer is to:

1. Where did people go after death, before Jesus?

2. What about all the people in the world who lived after jesus but never even heard about him or god. are they condemned to hell, or purgatory, or what's the deal with that?

3. Why don't islamics and Jews go to heaven if they still worship the one true god, pay homage to him daily, and live as they believe he wants them to? I mean it kind of sucks to think you spend your whole life worshipping and loving god but then he condems you anyway.