BONSAI KITTENS!

[KronicKyla]

I can not believe what a friend sent me over the internet today! I am an avid cat lover myself and the site of this just makes my stomach turn! I am not posting this web site in order to suport I am posting in hopes to make people aware of whats going on so we can protest! I just can't believe people would do somthing like this! Give me your input people!

PeAcE! :p

[robert42]

I ESPC HATE ANY CRUELTY TO ANY ANIMALS ESPC PETS. IM A HUGE CAT LOVER.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Cats are the shit!!! and i can't see a link, but i've been on it before ... why would people want derranged (sp?) cats? seems strange and cruel

[KronicKyla]

sorry forgot to post

www.bonsaikitten.com

[Psycho4Bud]

I'd like to shove that bastard into a jar!

[Encatuse]

It's not real. -shrugs- It's even hosted by rotten.com ^.^

They don't let you order or anything, so it was obviously just put there to piss off cat lovers. ^^ Don't worry, no one actually does it.

[Funken Monken]

You suckers. That fakes almost as old as the internet. Shame on you for your gullibility

[KronicKyla]

I'd like to shove that bastard into a jar!

I'll just let his Signature speek for itself!

PeAcE :p

[robert42]

yea its fake i saw it on newsround its just a joke but i think its pretty sick and cruel even as a joke.

[BlueCat]

Funken and Encatuse are right it is fake .....it was a college joke it has been around for a while....

Although I did not think it was funny the first time around...you just know some idiot out there will have to try it...

[KronicKyla]

I dont know if it is fake or real, some stuff on the internet is just so hard to decipher from.

www.petitiononline.com/hannahrr/petition.html

PeAcE! :p

[robert42]

well dun kyla wether a prank or not it shouldnt b here.

[robert42]

here: http://artpad.art.com/?ijbhro158x3k
ITS MEANT TO SAY "FOR ALL THOSE TIMES YOU ......."

:p

[BlueCat]

Now if you want to really get mad.... this is real as are these sites


http://www.messybeast.com/twisty.htm

http://www.delmars.com/kitcats/twisted.htm

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/abuse/joey2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/twisty1.html&h=294&w=225&sz=10&tbnid=VAieBm0S2loJ:&tbnh=111&tbnw=84&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtwisty%2Bcats%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

[robert42]

thats really disturbing u know real horrible shit.

[BlueCat]

Yes I think so too....sick, sick people.

[GHoSToKeR]

I'm not even gonna click the link you posted, BlueCat. No offence, I just don't need to see that.

Kayla, I totally agree with you.. Even if the site is a fake some sick fucks still did that shit to those cats to take those photos.. :(

[Hydrizzle]

Dude, that's pretty fucked up; people using animals for thier personal playthings.

[BlueCat]

Sorry Ghost...it has a petition on the second one...to stop breeding them...but I doubt it will work...I signed it anyway...

[Dick Justice]

I'm not even gonna click the link you posted, BlueCat. No offence, I just don't need to see that.

Kayla, I totally agree with you.. Even if the site is a fake some sick fucks still did that shit to those cats to take those photos.. :(

1. Ditto on the link
2. You can really do a lot to fake photos, I don't think (read: hope they didnt) actually do that to real cats.

[BlueCat]

The bonsai kitten site is a fake....the twisty kitten site is not...those idiots are breeding cats to have tiny legs....they really need to be stopped.

[Encatuse]

I was worried about the links too, but dont worry guys. I clicked em, looked at em, and I'm pretty sure they aren't like terribly disturbing or anything. They aren't very photoriffic I suppose. They're very interesting though.. at least the first one was. I'm still slightly disassociated, but I'm pretty positive the pictures aren't bad. Just the information interesting.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

That's like those women from wherever, like china, thailand, japan.. oh i don't know, somewhere in Asia, that bind their feet so tight they dont grow and stay really small, that looks painful, but they get what they deserve for doing it, (even though they do it to be popular with males it's still stupid)

[mellowman420]

they eat house peta all over the world. pretty f**ked up

[mellowman420]

opps, i put peta :) i mean pets.

[Beeblebrox.420]

It's a joke site, you morons!

Doesn't anyone read Snopes, for Chrissakes? :rolleyes:

[amsterdam]

life is taken a little to seriously sometimes around here.

[yocass]

bahahahahahaha theres actually a petition for it. who cares about petitions anymore?

[duppy man]

I'd like to shove that bastard into a jar!

I could.nt have put that better myself .............what an evil money grabbing BASTARD

[Beeblebrox.420]

bahahahahahaha theres actually a petition for it. That petition has been circulating for years, almost since the Bonsai Kitten site first went up. Man, people are fucking stupid. If you read through the site there are tons of clues that it's just a joke. See this Snopes article (http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/bonsai.asp) on the subject.

[BlueCat]

So do you guys just read the beginning of the thread and stop? :rolleyes:

It was already stated that the bonsai site was crap....it is the twisty cats that are not fake....and YES there is a petition to stop breeders from breeding cats with legs so small they can't walk....
it is not fake...read the post or look it up.
IT is REAL... calling people MORON cause you did not read the thread? Mod or not its rude.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Yes, it IS fake. Read the damn Snopes article:

The Bonsai Kitten web site is a joke, not an actual promotion for the making of bonsai kittens. Investigations by law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, have already determined no real cats were harmed in the creation of the pictures used on the Bonsai Kitten web site. Signing a petition to shut down the Bonsai Kitten web site will not prevent any kittens from being harmed, because no kittens were harmed in the first place.

BTW, did you know the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?

[Beeblebrox.420]

And yes, I did read the entire thread, Einstein.

[amsterdam]

careful beeblebrox,bluecat will have you banned.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Bwaaaaaaahahahahaha!!!! Thanks, I needed a good laugh. :D

[BlueCat]

Beeb we are NOT talking about the Bonsai kittens anymore....we said that was a fake site...


HERE: Funken and Encatuse are right it is fake .....it was a college joke it has been around for a while....

and HERE: It's not real. -shrugs- It's even hosted by rotten.com ^.^

it is about TWISTY cats...in the picture...show me where you found that twisty cat breeders are fake...einstein!

fuck off amsterdam....go play with your gun....

[amsterdam]

uh oh,someones getting angry.

cant make it out to shoot today,i wish.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Now if you want to really get mad.... this is real as are these sites


http://www.messybeast.com/twisty.htm

http://www.delmars.com/kitcats/twisted.htm

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/abuse/joey2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.the-cats-meow.ca/twisty1.html&h=294&w=225&sz=10&tbnid=VAieBm0S2loJ:&tbnh=111&tbnw=84&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtwisty%2Bcats%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D%26sa%3DG Ok, that post I missed. Sorry.

I think those are fake, too, quite honestly. Nothing on Snopes about them, though, that I can see. It's pretty easy to doctor photos these days with powerful editing tools like Photoshop. Now, if you can find a reputable news source exposing this as real animal abuse, I'll believe it - at least more than I do now.

[BlueCat]

They aren't fake...I wish they were....they are breeders they started out breeding polydactl cats....then they took the ones with the shortest most deformed legs and kept going....look at the sites...it is really sad and they should be stopped.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Well, I did find this (http://www.news.ucdavis.edu/in_the_news/full_text/view_clip.lasso?id=11632) on the UC Davis website. Pretty respectable, IMO. It discusses mainly ordinary polydactylism in felines, and devotes only a couple paragraphs at the end to the Twisty Cat phenomenon. But, it's a start.

[BlueCat]

OK thanks that website proved my point...twisty cats are REAL.

and we are NOT MORONS after all. :)

from the website you posted....

<snip> "I see it as a rather innocuous variant," compared to others, such as Munchkin cats, which exhibit a form of dwarfism that can arguably make life more physically challenging.....

<snip> footnote in this polydactyl discussion is an unfortunate phenomenon dubbed Twisty Kats by the Texas horse breeder who created a Web site about them five or so years ago. Produced from pairings of bobtailed polydactyls, these deformed cats had radial hypoplasia, resulting in underdeveloped, missing, misshapen or flipperlike forearms....

[llamaman666]

That is terrible, just terrible.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Well, as far as I can tell, the breeder is no longer breeding them, and in fact, never intended to. None were ever sold. Unfortnately, a bunch of bleeding hearts blew the whole thing all out of proportion.

[BlueCat]

Oh brother....they are bred all over...THAT breeder called them twisty cats and of course she would have a website saying it was blown out of proportion...before you say bleeding hearts, wouldn't it be a good idea to do a little research?

They are also called MUNCHKIN cats as the site you posted stated....and they are sold all over see....

http://www.catsinfo.com/munchkin.html
http://www.moggies.co.uk/breeds/munchkin.html

http://www.bayshorekennel.com/cats.htm

http://www.cbel.com/munchkin_cats/

http://www.munchkins.com/

when they breed these cats they get rejects like the ones I posted earlier...it is wrong.....
Why do you want to take up for them...what is your point? So you can be RIGHT? Heres are thought.... You could just admit you were wrong.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Munchkin cats and "Twisty" cats are two entirely different things. Munchkins are bred to have short, but otherwise normal legs all around, as opposed to the heavily malformed front legs of the Twisty variety.

What was that you said about research?

[Beeblebrox.420]

Munchkins should not be confused with Twisty Cats (Kats). The Munchkin condition is due to a form of dwarfism as described in Dwarf and Midget Cats and is classed as cosmetic (not affecting quality of life). The Twisty Cat trait is due to Radial Hypoplasia, a condition which mimics polydactyly in its less severe form (Polydactyl Cats) and is a debilitating condition (causing crippling).
From here (http://www.messybeast.com/squitten.htm), which oddly enough is one of the sites YOU posted. :rolleyes:

Just out of curiosity, are you a member of PETA, by any chance?

[BlueCat]

they were both bred from polydactls..twisty cats are the worst types...it said that in the site you posted!.... Short-legged cats have been observed several times throughout history. The historical kangaroo cats were probably early examples of the Munchkin mutation or possibly early observations of a mild degree of radial hypoplasia though the lack of mention of extra toes suggests the former rather than the latter. So-called squittens are also either longhaired cats of the Munchkin type or longhaired RH cats....
other names:
KANGAROO CATS, SQUITTENS, MUNCHKINS......the twisty cat name was a new name given by the idiot horse breeder lady...

http://www.messybeast.com/squitten.htm

Nevermind...take up for the breeders of the deformed cats...whatever makes you happy....your the MOD :rolleyes:

[Beeblebrox.420]

No. Kagaroos are not bred from polys. Kangaroos and twisties are again two entirely different breeds. Munchkins were derived from kagaroos, while twisties were derived from polys. I'm just trying to correct your misinformation; if you don't want to listen it's no skin off my nose.

Why do you keep bringing up the fact that I am a moderator? What, exactly, does that have to do with the price of rice? I am discussing this as a regular poster, not as a mod. Sheesh!

[yocass]

uhm... hes not takin up for anyone that I see. Hes calling you out on your obvious mistakes. Ill just post the quote from the page that he already posted. try READING it. "Munchkins should not be confused with Twisty Cats (Kats). The Munchkin condition is due to a form of dwarfism as described in Dwarf and Midget Cats and is classed as cosmetic (not affecting quality of life). The Twisty Cat trait is due to Radial Hypoplasia, a condition which mimics polydactyly in its less severe form (Polydactyl Cats) and is a debilitating condition (causing crippling)." Munchkins are a different type of mutation that does not affect the cats lives. Probably EVERY modern house cat and EVERY modern house dog has been selectively bred through mutations to be where its at. Just like WEINER DOGS.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Dontcha know it's WRONG to breed weiner dogs, cass? That long body is unnatural and EEEEEEEEEVIL. :D

[yocass]

those fuckers live FOREVER too. My neighbors got up to 17 years before it died. But, of course, I'm sure it would have lived longer if it was kept in its natural larger state. oh wait... the bigger the dog, the shorter the lifespan (on average). Who woulda thunk it!? :rolleyes:

[BlueCat]

it is because it won't matter what I say...you came on calling us morons, and you did not read the thread right...then you say EINSTEIN as if you are talking to an idiot when YOU made the mistake...now you want to nit pic at it....the bottom line is they both have problems caused by irresponsible breeding practices...

[yocass]

well, coincidentally, HE apologized for that. Then YOU nitpicked on some details that aren't even correct....

[GHoSToKeR]

And yes, I did read the entire thread, Einstein.Wow, who got sand in your fucking vagina? How the hell is everybody supposed to automatically know it's a fake? There are alot of fucked up, stupid people in the world, and they like to show off the fucked up, stupid shit they do. Forgive me for not wanting to look at that site long enough to figure out it's authenticity. Chill the fuck out and think before you start insulting people.

Secondly, as BlueCat said, most of us know that the one with the glass jars is a fake.. We're not even talking about that anymore.

Did somebody shit in your cereal this morning or what?

[BlueCat]

A weak apology followed by a remark that the site was probably fake...kinda killed the whole "sorry" thing even more so considering it was so RUDE to begin with...the name calling and all...I am going out to eat dinner....you guys can go get you a munchkin kitty...EINSTEIN......have a nice evening TTYL

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

Wow, who got sand in your fucking vagina? How the hell is everybody supposed to automatically know it's a fake? There are alot of fucked up, stupid people in the world, and they like to show off the fucked up, stupid shit they do. Forgive me for not wanting to look at that site long enough to figure out it's authenticity. Chill the fuck out and think before you start insulting people.

Secondly, as BlueCat said, most of us know that the one with the glass jars is a fake.. We're not even talking about that anymore.

Did somebody shit in your cereal this morning or what?
Nicely said ghostoker, i was gonna say something along the lines of that but you sumed it up just right.

[GHoSToKeR]

Have a good time, BlueCat! :)

Thanks Pingwin :p

[yocass]

yes... damn the munchkin kitty breeders for producing a cat that has a deformity that does not effect its quality of life.... damn them. I would have no problem buying 15 of them. Just to make sure irrational people who think they are bad don't take them and put them down for no logical reason.

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

yes... damn the munchkin kitty breeders for producing a cat that has a deformity that does not effect its quality of life.... damn them. I would have no problem buying 15 of them. Just to make sure irrational people who think they are bad don't take them and put them down for no logical reason.
Yeah it does effect their quality of life, they have to hop around like kangroos! lol unless your talking about a different one....

[yocass]

munchkin cats just have short legs. They walk fine... maybe cant run as fast lol, but the twisted cats are the fucked up ones. No hopping or any of that nonsense.

[GHoSToKeR]

yocass, would you do that to a human? If it was possible, would you somehow deform a human being in the same way? If your answer is no then you can understand our point.

[GHoSToKeR]

a deformity that does not effect its quality of life....
"The same year, another deformed kitten came to my attention when a stray cat and her kittens were reported to us. One kitten, Sophia had a serious deformity. At 6 weeks of age, she had the front half of a normal kitten and the back half of a newborn kitten. A well-meaning person persuaded their vet to splint the legs in the hope of having them surgically corrected later, but the defect included the tail and bowel (Sophia did not produce normal stools, only a sort of brown, poorly set jelly). Sophia had only survived to 6 weeks because of maternal care and human intervention."

[yocass]

but every.... and I do mean every modern house cat has been bred the same way. Why do you think we have so many different shaped, colored, and sized ones? And humans did do that... unless you think god created an exact replica of you. Do you think dwarf humans shouldn't breed? Thats basically what your saying.... And what does that have to do with munchkin cats ghosttoker?

[Beeblebrox.420]

Chill the fuck out and think before you start insulting people. Perhaps you could read my posts after that. At the point you quoted, I had thought we were still discussing Bonsai Kittens, which are obvious fakes. Just 'cause BlueCat got her undies in a twist (ha!) doesnt' mean everyone has to. If you're gonna berate me for not reading the entire thread, then you can do the same, at least.

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

Perhaps you could read my posts after that. At the point you quoted, I had thought we were still discussing Bonsai Kittens, which are obvious fakes. Just 'cause BlueCat got her undies in a twist (ha!) doesnt' mean everyone has to. If you're gonna berate me for not reading the entire thread, then you can do the same, at least.

oh ahaha ahahhahaha soo funny ahahaha ahahaha ahahaha im rolling on the floor ahahaha ahaha............................................. ......

[GHoSToKeR]

I read the entire thread and you still seemed adamant that you are right and anybody who disagrees is wrong. You obviously don't have a problem with this sort of thing, judging by one of the comments you made ("Dontcha know it's WRONG to breed weiner dogs, cass? That long body is unnatural and EEEEEEEEEVIL."), and what aggravated me is the fact that you of all people should take the piss out of people because of something they believe in or feel strongly about.

Look, Beeblebrox.. I'm sorry for mouthing off in my forst post. Personally I think you're one of the most respected and respectful members, and I really don't want to start arguing with you, but I will if I have to because this kind of thing (and the people who think it's no big deal) really gets to me.

[yocass]

why is it ok for her to post opinions, and not the mod? The mods a person too..

[Beeblebrox.420]

I realize that that some people feel strongly about these kinds of things. I had hoped that with some education, they wouldn't feel quite AS bad. I do know something about this subject and was trying to share that knowledge. Apparently, I was wrong and ignorance prevails. So be it.

*shrug*

Edit: On preview, apology accepted, Ghost, and right back atcha. And, in turn, I apologize for my snarkiness. Willful ignorance annoys ME.

[GHoSToKeR]

why is it ok for her to post opinions, and not the mod? The mods a person too..See my above post.

By the way....


but every.... and I do mean every modern house cat has been bred the same way. Why do you think we have so many different shaped, colored, and sized ones? And humans did do that... unless you think god created an exact replica of you. Do you think dwarf humans shouldn't breed? Thats basically what your saying.... And what does that have to do with munchkin cats ghosttoker?I don't really believe that breeding any animal to tailor them to suit your preferences is right at all, but in this case the animals are being bred to have deformities from birth, deformities which seriously effect their quality of life. I will always believe that humans and all creatures are equal, and that we have no right to try and control the natural order of things.. but usually it's relatively harmless, this time it's not.

[GHoSToKeR]

Beeblebrox, you seem to know something about every subject...

Can anybody say Google?

Don't try and act like you know the ins and outs of this subject just so you can be right, when people are actually expressing their true opinions.

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

I realize that that some people feel strongly about these kinds of things. I had hoped that with some education, they wouldn't feel quite AS bad. I do know something about this subject and was trying to share that knowledge. Apparently, I was wrong and ignorance prevails. So be it.

*shrug*

Edit: On preview, apology accepted, Ghost, and right back atcha. And, in turn, I apologize for my snarkiness. Willful ignorance annoys ME.
Im not trying to argue but you say that bluecat and others are being ignorant, but arent you the one being ignorant, because the whole time all you did was try and prove that the site was fake and not even just think maybe that it was real. Which means you were being ignorant to bluecat's opioins.....i dunno just what i obvserved.

[yocass]

but it doesn't affect their quality of life... thats the point. The munchkins that is. I think a consensus has already been achieved for the twisty fuckers. But the munchkins live just fine. Being house cats they really have no need to run really fast anyways. And as you said, if it was humans (which it is, in the case of dwarfism) then yes I whole heartedly support a dwarf and a dwarf being able to reproduce together. To not support that is debilitating them more than their stature.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Don't try and act like you know the ins and outs of this subject just so you can be right, when people are actually expressing their true opinions. Never said I did. And opinion != fact. I do have some knowledge of cat breeding, and yes, I used Google to find some supporting information. So?

[GHoSToKeR]

Okay, point taken, and thanks to Pingwin quoting your post I saw that edit.. lol.. I'm done with this subject, or at least done with arguing about it with people I don't wanna argue with. **shakes Beeble's hand** :p

[Beeblebrox.420]

I...the whole time all you did was try and prove that the site was fake and not even just think maybe that it was real... Keep up, silly penguin. We got past the reality of twisty cats, kangaroo cats and munchkins a long time ago. Yes, I've concurred that all three types do, in fact, exist. My last several posts have been pointing out the differences between the three. BlueCat was insisting that all three were forms of the same type of breed, but they are not; though there are superficial similarities, and the fact that RH may be a common factor in each.

And, Ghost, good enough for me. *shakes hands*

[unmeg]

I'm not even gonna click the link you posted, BlueCat. No offence, I just don't need to see that.

Kayla, I totally agree with you.. Even if the site is a fake some sick fucks still did that shit to those cats to take those photos.. :(
i'm with ya not evan gonna look.

[mlleyeuxbleus]

Yes, thank goodness, it's fake. Sheesh.

Snopes.com is an excellent resource for deciphering truth from fiction (whether it be urban legend, warning emails about perfume-selling rapists or Jane Fonda, whatever). Here's a link to their bit on bonsai kitten: http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/bonsai.asp

I still like my idea of marijuanzai. :)

[mlleyeuxbleus]

(oh, duh... sorry, beeblebrox, just noticed you sited snopes as well. blushedyblushblush)

[BlueCat]

LOL this is almost humourous...I did not realize so many people don't read the entire thread....I give up.

[mlleyeuxbleus]

Aw, sorry, bluecat, I usually do... I was just stoned last night, lol. Forgive me?

[maryjanemama]

LOL this is almost humourous...I did not realize so many people don't read the entire thread....I give up.I just wanted to add that lots of times when the claws come out and the arguing starts, alot of ppl stop reading the entire thread to avoid bad vibes. Especially when they are stoned. :)

[BlueCat]

Aw, sorry, bluecat, I usually do... I was just stoned last night, lol. Forgive me?


Well of course....who could not forgive those eyes....lol

Stoned as you should be around here.... :D thats why I love it here!

[Az.]

that is awful.....i will watch a human have his head chopped off but cruelty to animals is a completly different story.....so im not going to click those links.....

as for the bonsai cats
http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/bonsai.asp
how conveiniete(sp)

^^^^
however i only just noticed there was a lot more to this thread than i originally thought.....beeble already posted the link to snopes

[BlueCat]

we know the bonsai are fake...it is the short legged munchkin, twistys and kangaroo cats, that are real... :rolleyes:

[Az.]

yeah sorry i didnt notice there were 4 pages so i just quickly posted what i knew...
i read it all now and understand...

[KronicKyla]

So do you guys just read the beginning of the thread and stop? :rolleyes:

It was already stated that the bonsai site was crap....it is the twisty cats that are not fake....and YES there is a petition to stop breeders from breeding cats with legs so small they can't walk....
it is not fake...read the post or look it up.
IT is REAL... calling people MORON cause you did not read the thread? Mod or not its rude.


Amen BLue!

[rastabill89]

that is extremly fucked up to do such a thing to cute little kittens

[ezjim]

we ground scored 2 kittens about 10 days ago at a motel we were staying at ...i prefer cats with peas and carrots but couldnt leave the lil fuckers to fend for thier selves ...if any one wants em ..come and get em they are way cute ..but they gotta go in a pair my kids mom would shit a purple twinkie if she found out i split em up

[KronicKyla]

do you really eat cats?

[ezjim]

do you really eat cats?
NO im just more of a dog person dude ..but i really dont want to raise 2 cats ..but im damn sure not gonna take em to the animal killing facility ..or i mean animal shelter ...just aint got in me to kill a healthy critter..besides i was raised to eat what i kill so i dont hunt any more ...but i'll gut and fillet a damn cat fish in a minute

[BlazinHaze]

It's straight to care about the treatment of animals and all, but we have to realize that things like this are extremely old traditions. I, personally, would rather people be harmful to animals than harmful to people. I can't stand when PETA and other animal rights activists care more about animals than humans.

[ezjim]

It's straight to care about the treatment of animals and all, but we have to realize that things like this are extremely old traditions. I, personally, would rather people be harmful to animals than harmful to people. I can't stand when PETA and other animal rights activists care more about animals than humans.
you got a point bro but the more i learn about people these days ..the more i like my dog

[BlazinHaze]

you got a point bro but the more i learn about people these days ..the more i like my dog

I'm a girl by the way, go check out my pics

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=13682

[ezjim]

I'm a girl by the way, go check out my pics

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=13682
damn you are a female ..and a cute one at that sorry bout that dudette