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st0n3r
07-03-2005, 12:08 AM
any1 kno any UK websites which sell pepper spray/tasers etc, sum1 sed 2 me that i can buy some off the american ebay but i dnt reli wanna pay p&p.

any1 thanks?

p.s dnt ask wot its 4.

LOVElife
07-03-2005, 12:15 AM
What you want it for? Protection or are you looking to cause harm?....

...I had one a few year ago but silly old me....hant to go to the Pig station for a producer. Put my car keys on the counter top...........

.....with the spray attatched......another fine!!!

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 12:16 AM
basically long stry put short whneva me n my m8s try n go out 2 have fun, hang out at the park have a J and a few beers, theres always a group of chavs starting on us wiv knuckle dusters n shit so we jus wanna look out 4 ourselves n not get beaten 4 no reason if ya get me. fuckin lame ass chavs.

sharpezor
07-03-2005, 12:18 AM
hey at least ur not buying a gun. I'm gussing ur not american?

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 12:19 AM
lol dont b silly, im sensible, i cud never kill any1 jus wanna protect myself if thats allowed?

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 12:27 AM
any1??????

daZenfmeister
07-03-2005, 12:30 AM
american ebay is ur best bet

ezjim
07-03-2005, 01:38 AM
lol dont b silly, im sensible, i cud never kill any1 jus wanna protect myself if thats allowed?
dont know about across the pond there but if some one in the state threatens you your life to the point were you fear for your life you have every right to put cap in the ass

sawleaf
07-03-2005, 01:54 AM
dont know about across the pond there but if some one in the state threatens you your life to the point were you fear for your life you have every right to put cap in the ass

Right on!

BUZz UK
07-03-2005, 09:29 AM
any1??????
yeah mate, try Hoopers army surplus in norwich, next to chips (games shop) near pottergate....

hoodedclum
07-03-2005, 09:54 AM
hey theyre only chavs, just buy a rape alarm, set that off and the dumb fucks will run away thinking its the old bill coming after them, problem solved !

BUZz UK
07-03-2005, 10:13 AM
/\ lol, i'd just take a big cricket or baseball bat each, and when they come swaggering up, you all run at them screaming....

Oli
07-03-2005, 10:42 AM
In my experience, fighting townies isn't worth the effort, sure it's fun when you kick the shit out of some of 'em, but not so fun when they come back with fifty mates/brothers...

Unregistered Felon
07-03-2005, 10:42 AM
This is why I think gun laws are stupid.

In the States, the states with carry conceled permits have the lowest crime rates.
Criminals wont fuck around with ya cuz ya might be packing!!

FELON

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 11:08 AM
yeh alot of this is true, but only problem is me n ma m8s go out every fri/sat/sun after work go straight down the park etc but lst nite my m8 got beatings loadz so if they wanna piece of me i jus wanna zap em or put sum spray in there eye.

Oli
07-03-2005, 11:14 AM
Sometimes it just has to be done, I understand how annoying it is having to keep an eye out for townies. Fuckin' buzzkill is what it is.

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 11:22 AM
2 right..........anyway back to my question..........any1 think this website ships 2 the uk?

http://homesecuritystore.com/pepper_spray_mace.html

robert42
07-03-2005, 11:24 AM
here mate: http://www.spytech-uk.com/

they did sell somit diffthen pepper spray but i cant find it there.

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 11:30 AM
here mate: http://www.spytech-uk.com/

they did sell somit diffthen pepper spray but i cant find it there.

nah cnt find anything on that website.

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 11:55 AM
is any1 willing to send me some pepper spray from the states? of course ill pay 4 it.

Torog
07-03-2005, 12:16 PM
is any1 willing to send me some pepper spray from the states? of course ill pay 4 it.
Howdy ston3r,

Dang..is pepper spray illegal there in the UK ? It's bad enough,that y'all outlawed guns and now you can't use pepper spray either ?

I don't understand why an entire society,would want to turn themselves into helpless victims..so is importing pepper spray illegal ? If so...yer asking alot for someone to send ya some..you could make your own pepper spray,surely capsicum peppers ain't illegal too ? Git you some Habenero peppers,the little red ones,and put em in a blender with some water,then strain the contents well and put it in a handheld sprayer..it'd be nice to pressurize it..hmm..maybe one of them thar Soakers or whatever they call them pump-up water guns..unless water guns are illegal too. Y'all could pretend to be playing with your water soakers..then douse the hell out of em !

Have a good one !

ezjim
07-03-2005, 12:18 PM
This is why I think gun laws are stupid.

In the States, the states with carry conceled permits have the lowest crime rates.
Criminals wont fuck around with ya cuz ya might be packing!!

FELON
disarming the public is a recipie for disaster if there is no way for people to protect them selves who the hell is gonna do it the govt?? hell those dumb ass morons couldnt find a hooker in a whore house let alone stop real criminals they had 2 kids go missing in idaho 6 weeks ago it took a waitress in a freakin dennys to recognize the girl and get her help and to add insult to injury the scum that had abducted her was a convicted pedophile out on bond he was probably released from jail to make room for some dangerous marijuana smoker

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 08:04 PM
yeh 2 right i agree, but think about wot i was saying if they legalise having GUNS over here, then instead of the chavs down the park wiv guns, they will have knives and good idea torog but i mite c sum recipes on the net which i can make mace spray or something :S i dunno. but also answer me this......if its illegial to import me some spray through the post, how you think i get my Budmail???? both is highly illegal but still.......

Sentinel
07-03-2005, 08:23 PM
on the anarchists cookbook it gives a recipe for something just like mace. Also tells you how to make some explosives you might want to show to them chavs.

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 08:58 PM
ok man cheers :P

Hydrizzle
07-03-2005, 09:25 PM
hehe, I have some mace in my car, and my friend sprayed some just to see how far it went, and the wind blew it right back in the car. Let me tell you, AVOID being hit by some mace if you can at all. Its VERY unpleasant.

For self defense, a taser would be much better, as it completely makes any assailants limp and useless, as to where mace might anger and enrage cartain bearish attackers. Get the kind of tazer that shoots the barbs out. If you can over there, I don't really know....

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 09:27 PM
so even if i sprayed some on a chav rekon he wud come bk n fight me?

Hydrizzle
07-03-2005, 09:29 PM
Well, if you sprayed some on a 250 lb. crazy ass chav, he might just go crazy. I've seen lots of vids on the net where there are 4 cops all beating on one guy while spraying him in the face with mace, and he is still fucking all of them up, going crazy, punching them in the face, etc etc.

But a tazer puts so much voltage in you that you fall to the ground in pain (sometimes it makes the bowels release involuntarily :D) i bet you'd love to make a chav litterally shit his pants....

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 09:33 PM
well yeh y not..........thats a scary though lol

Hydrizzle
07-03-2005, 09:35 PM
then again with the reputation chavs have as cowards... probably only the threat of pepper spray would work..... just cary around a black small can and point it menacingly at them :D

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 09:42 PM
yeh only thing is if i make home-made mace pepper spray wud it work as good as the stuff u purchase at shops?

Hydrizzle
07-03-2005, 09:45 PM
probably not, and even if you did, how would you get it into the pressurized can? ur not just gonna carry around a windex bottle full of mace are u *squirt squirt*

Juggalotus17
07-03-2005, 09:47 PM
Bring a baseball bat. Completely legal, fun to play with, fun to break peoples skulls with.... and i think i speak for everyone when i say i'd be much more terrified of a mutha fucka chasin' me with a baseball bat instead of some dude pulling out a can of pepperspray when i step up to him....

also, you can't get in trouble for having a baseball bat on you, unless a cop sees you destroy property, or use it in a harmful way. :)

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 09:50 PM
yeah only thing is i dont wanna kill sum1 cuz if i had a baseball bat id wanna break alot of bones, mainly in the head and chest.

Hydrizzle
07-03-2005, 09:51 PM
also, you can't get in trouble for having a baseball bat on you, unless a cop sees you destroy property, or use it in a harmful way. :)


Yeah, but if a cop sees you walking around town with a baseball bat, you will be sure to be questioned at least. One thing you dont need is unwanted attention from the police.

besides, if you must carry a blunt weapon, then i reccoment a telescopic stun baton, which can be held in the cargo pocket of some khakis or something.

mono repin
07-03-2005, 09:53 PM
yeah only thing is i dont wanna kill sum1 cuz if i had a baseball bat id wanna break alot of bones, mainly in the head and chest.

Bust their kneecaps... I hate violence, but I would have no problem cripling some asshole who wants to pick a fight with me in a park.

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 09:56 PM
i think the main problem wiv me is i have no problem beating the shit out of sum1 only problem is im afraid of the after effects, cuz then its gunna leave me wiv like 50 other people coming after me 4 the rest of my life as well as probably if i continue 2 cripple ppl, i cud end up dead which i dnt want.

Hydrizzle
07-03-2005, 09:58 PM
Holy shit, sounds like it might be worth it to go the extra effort and smuggle in a fully automatic AK47 or something. Hit me up, I got a friend who knows how to make a semi full auto :D

st0n3r
07-03-2005, 10:04 PM
no ur not understandin wot im sayin, i dont wanna fuckin kill ne1 but chavs sudnt go round thinkin there the best thing since sliced bread.

Beeblebrox.420
07-04-2005, 12:25 AM
In the States, the states with carry conceled permits have the lowest crime rates.
I wouldn't be so sure of that:

Whether ??shall-issue? laws that liberalize concealed-handgun-carrying requirements cause crime rates to increase or decrease has become an increasingly important public policy question, as a growing number of states adopt or consider such legislation. The widely-publicized study of Lott and Mustard (1997) suggests that shall-issue laws reduce crime, and save lives and money. However, as I have argued above, the Lott and Mustard study does not appear to have adequately controlled for omitted variables and other problems, and as a result is unlikely to provide reliable information about the effects of shall-issue laws on crime.

In this paper I present the results of an alternative test for the effects of shall-issue laws on homicide rates, that exploits the fact that juveniles are not eligible for concealed-carry permits to control for time-varying unobserved state factors. The results of my analysis suggest that shall-issue laws have resulted, if anything, in an increase in adult homicide rates.
From here (http://www.jcpr.org/wpfiles/LudwigGunspap.PDF?CFID=7013661&CFTOKEN=74092512). (Warning: PDF file)


(Bolding mine.)

Juggalotus17
07-04-2005, 01:43 AM
You're not taking into consideration they probably won't fuck with you if you have a baseball bat..

Also, yes a cop can question you but if you just said you were hittin some balls earlier he can't do shit. just say you lost your baseball if he asks where it is

Hydrizzle
07-04-2005, 04:34 AM
Yeah, but who the hell just walks around carrying a baseball bat? Meanwhile with a telescopic stun baton, you get the same effect, and you can conceal it! Problem solved.

Unregistered Felon
07-04-2005, 06:32 AM
I wouldn't be so sure of that:

From here (http://www.jcpr.org/wpfiles/LudwigGunspap.PDF?CFID=7013661&CFTOKEN=74092512). (Warning: PDF file)


(Bolding mine.)

Remeber any numbers can be played with till they agree with your side. Studies and info can the manipulated to show what your want.
I saw that and my info comes from the NRA. I do believe in a well arm citezen. 2 reasons First to help control crime, rape murder and assualt is stopped instantly with a gun.
second reason that criminals dont follow gun laws, leaving the average joe helpless, gangbangers and organized crime love gun laws, they know then ONLY the police have guns. and the police only show after AFTER the crime.
The other reason for the people to have guns is to keep the government in check. Only a government that fears its populace will be reasonable. Manners in the US took a big decline when carry concled laws went into effect. Crime has climb in big numbers since gun onwership has gone down.
Just my .02 worth

MAX

Sentinel
07-04-2005, 07:33 AM
Honestly, your best choice might be to just stay clear of the park. It would feel very nice to fuck up some guys that were pissing you off, but revenge is a very powerful thing. They would probably come back after you with as many guys and weapons as it would take, and beat you senseless. At least thats what would happen where I live. Its hard taking shit from guys you dont like, so I would just say avoid the area, unless you want to walk around with 20 friends with bats whenever you leave your house.

st0n3r
07-04-2005, 10:13 AM
exactly wot these americans dnt see lol

Torog
07-04-2005, 10:18 AM
exactly wot these americans dnt see lol
Howdy ston3r,

What is it--that Americans don't see ?

Have a good one ...

3 Sheets To The Wind
07-04-2005, 10:43 AM
Buy a Blank Firing Gun, I have a Desert Eagle in 8mm blank, which is loud as a bastard. I also have an air rifle (most powerful it can be without a licence - 12ft/lbs) and a Beretta 92FS (nickel:D) which is also rather powerful
I suggest just pulling a blank firing gun, as they would shit themselves when you pointed it at them, and as they're running away, fire a few rounds at them, hopefully they won't fuck with you again:)
btw, i wouldn't use any of my guns to hurt someone (let alone take it out of the house/property) but if you're lucky, you might pull it off:D good luck
...Josh:D

Oli
07-04-2005, 11:38 AM
Howdy ston3r,

What is it--that Americans don't see ?

Have a good one ...

That if he even touches or gives 'em any abuse, then the next thing he knows they're back with 50 odd older brothers and freinds (probably kitted up). This makes traveling very difficult without a serious amount of back up.

st0n3r
07-04-2005, 11:41 AM
That if he even touches or gives 'em any abuse, then the next thing he knows they're back with 50 odd older brothers and freinds (probably kitted up). This makes traveling very difficult without a serious amount of back up.

exactly, note y the police in england aren't doin there job properly, they have more power than any1 but they just dont use it.

sawleaf
07-05-2005, 12:18 AM
Buy a Blank Firing Gun, I have a Desert Eagle in 8mm blank, which is loud as a bastard. I also have an air rifle (most powerful it can be without a licence - 12ft/lbs) and a Beretta 92FS (nickel:D) which is also rather powerful
I suggest just pulling a blank firing gun, as they would shit themselves when you pointed it at them, and as they're running away, fire a few rounds at them, hopefully they won't fuck with you again:)
btw, i wouldn't use any of my guns to hurt someone (let alone take it out of the house/property) but if you're lucky, you might pull it off:D good luck
...Josh:D

That's about the worst advice I've ever read! What would you do if you pulled a blank firing gun out and someone else pulled a real gun out??? Quickly explain that it's not a real gun and appologize?? The only time you ever pull a firearm on someone is with the intention of using it on them, not to scare them. Pepperspray is serious!!! People usually assume that mace or CS is the same as pepperspray. It is NOT. It is highly effective and stops people very fast! I'm sure there are ways to get a hold of it in the UK. If not, email me.

FunkyMonkey
07-05-2005, 01:53 AM
Sentinel has it right. Unless you are willing to keep this thing going until it goes too far then your best bet might be to just not be where they are waiting for you to show.
It sounds like a silly territorial thing that wont go away with pepper spray. Sure that would be goddamn satisfying to spray some goof after the crap you and your mates take but it would likely be short lived.
I am in Canada and I only speak through my own experiences and what I have read of the situation with youth gangs in UK. You live there and have said yourself that the likely event would be retalliation from them as a large group. You would need to answer with more of the same. Where would it end?
Be the bigger man, realise that life is full of assholes ,and no matter what you will never get rid of them. You can choose to battle them all in vain or to coexist. Its not runnin off or being a nancy or wimp...its more like acknowledging and respecting the fact that a mans body doesnt always have what it takes to act out what is in the heart and mind.
You're mad, insulted, intimidated, frustrated etc. and the old testosterone is kickin in telling you to attack. My advice, only do so if you can do it with no weapons. Its more mature ( read :'manly') to avoid a fight you know you will lose than it is to go out looking to put a hurt on someone with a weapon.
Am I making any sense to ya? Just MHO. Take care and good luck solving this one.
Peace

oldhag
07-05-2005, 04:47 AM
I wonder what would happen to the world if people keeps on being more violent and police can't keep order or refuse to keep order. May be there would only be orders for few and they will be kept safe by police.
I'm thinking that humans are very violent and they won't stop till we all hurt each other. Hey I hope there is some way we can live happlily together or seperately.

ezjim
07-05-2005, 05:05 AM
god might have made men but smith and wesson made them equal you disarm the public then every schmuck who wants to prove he's a bad ass will be praying on the weaker of the species with impunity i dont care how big and bad some chav is [ by the way what the hell is a chav] you put a shot gun barell in his face he will go away every man and women should have the right to protect them selves from a predator the more people rely on the gov't for protection the more ez it is for them to say we will protect you only if you relinquish more of yuor freedom and liberty

Unregistered Felon
07-05-2005, 11:01 AM
god might have made men but smith and wesson made them equal you disarm the public then every schmuck who wants to prove he's a bad ass will be praying on the weaker of the species with impunity i dont care how big and bad some chav is [ by the way what the hell is a chav] you put a shot gun barell in his face he will go away every man and women should have the right to protect them selves from a predator the more people rely on the gov't for protection the more ez it is for them to say we will protect you only if you relinquish more of yuor freedom and liberty


AMEN!!!

FELON

3 Sheets To The Wind
07-05-2005, 11:05 AM
Well chavs in england probably won't have real guns sawleaf, and if they did, then i'd shoot mine by their head's to deafen them and run away :)

st0n3r
07-05-2005, 11:18 AM
thanks all for your kind posting, yeah i agree weapons may be in order but bcoz i live with my folks i dont think a gun wud b appropriate :P so i had a look on some websites and i saw telescopic police batons which looked reli kool, pepper spray, knives, swords and tasers etc :)

i jus need 2 kno where 2 get it from, sawleaf e-mail me or something, mines [email protected] or any1 else willing 2 send me some/sell me some.

peace.

sawleaf
07-05-2005, 07:28 PM
Well chavs in england probably won't have real guns sawleaf, and if they did, then i'd shoot mine by their head's to deafen them and run away :)

I'd hope not. I am a gun owner, but I don't carry a firearm, I carry pepper spray. I works great! I just don't want to put myself in a situation where I would be forced to kill a person. :)

3 Sheets To The Wind
07-05-2005, 10:14 PM
I killed a frog an hour ago *proud*
I shot it in the stomach in mid-air when it jumped, (with my .177 air rifle) and it did a couple of flips and landed on the floor, still moving, so i shot it twice in the chest, killing it, then another 5 times to make sure, because it was windy and it's legs were blowing and i thought it was alive hehe. I felt kind of bad after the first shot, but i have been looking for one to shoot for a year now, and this is the first shot i managed to get at one, so i took it.
oh by the way, i didn't leave it after the first shot, i felt bad so shot it twice more in like 10 seconds (so not much pain)
Some may think "Cruel bastard" but it was fun so i don't mind the comments:D

...Josh:)

ezjim
07-05-2005, 10:18 PM
you killed it now you eat it dude any one who kills for other than protection or to feed them selves / family is not a very nice person

3 Sheets To The Wind
07-05-2005, 10:22 PM
*eats frog* i was sitting on the wall in the garden, shooting at targets and stuff, and it was right behind me and staring at me, so i thought, "ooo you're gonna die bitch" so i bust a cap in it's ass, sue me hehe,
but yeah sorry, it won't happen again (ok maybe once more)

sawleaf
07-06-2005, 12:30 AM
You shot a frog? For what reason? That's a pretty shitty thing to do. How old are you? Sounds like something a 10 year old kid would do.

Unregistered Felon
07-06-2005, 04:16 AM
I'd hope not. I am a gun owner, but I don't carry a firearm, I carry pepper spray. I works great! I just don't want to put myself in a situation where I would be forced to kill a person. :)

Instead of killing someone you'll die!
The only time I would pull my gun is if I am gonna use it!
I would only pull it if my life is in danger!
I have been in bar fights and gotten arrested while packin, cops asked my why I did not pull the gun.
I said my life was never in danger so no need for it, they laughed and let me go home without the gun.(no carry permit here,reason=see screen name)

FELON

Hydrizzle
07-06-2005, 04:33 AM
FORCED to kill a person? You know, there is always the option to put one in thier gut or kneecaps. Make them writhe in pain on the ground as you tie thier hands with zip-ties (essential item to carry in your car) and call the cops.

Unregistered Felon
07-06-2005, 07:27 AM
FORCED to kill a person? You know, there is always the option to put one in thier gut or kneecaps. Make them writhe in pain on the ground as you tie thier hands with zip-ties (essential item to carry in your car) and call the cops.


It's kinda funny man, I have been carrying for more than 20 years.
My lifestyle and "co-workers" dictate this, how I make my money is dangerous and my life could end suddenly.
Having said that in 20 years have only pulled my gun 3 times and only once was I forced to shoot.
There was no time to think about where to put the bullet, so it ended up at the same spot as my target practice always does.
Not a pleasent experience, but I lived to tell the tale.
The other thing is when you kneecap someone, guess what they will say they were not threatening your life.
The right shot at the right time and there is only ONE side to the story!

FELON

3 Sheets To The Wind
07-06-2005, 10:59 AM
I'm 16 sawleaf, and yeah i shot a frog, didn't think it would be a big deal, just wanted to share the story... my bad

top444
07-06-2005, 03:02 PM
man, this site is deep

sawleaf
07-06-2005, 06:52 PM
Mister Felon, if you choose to carry that's your choice. I have drawn down on people and thank god I did not have to shoot them. I am not going to put myself in that situation again though. I don't get into bar brawls and I am pretty good at avoiding situations like that so I have no need to carry a sidearm. Pepper spray works just fine for me. I am not against you carrying, but then again I don't know why you are a felon. I'm an NRA member and pro-gun activist, so I am not against using a firearm for defense. Why people choose to arm themselves or not is a personal matter. I choose a less lethal choice though. Oh and 3sheets, yeah that did piss me off a bit. I am against killing for entertainment. Yeah it may just be a frog to you, but I see it as a life that was wasted for no reason other than a laugh.

st0n3r
07-06-2005, 07:05 PM
damm straight, ban fox hunting!

hoodedclum
07-06-2005, 07:21 PM
it is banned isnt it ?

3 Sheets To The Wind
07-06-2005, 10:30 PM
What about treading on ants for a laugh? or killing fly's? that's still killing, but it's done everyday, and nobody complains, but yeah i see where you're coming from, and as i said, i did feel bad after that first shot, but had to put it out of it's misery

st0n3r
07-06-2005, 10:32 PM
yeah but flys aren't ment 2 live......they are there 4 show.

w4terb0ng
07-06-2005, 10:36 PM
could you imagine just walking down the street one day...stoned out of your mind... just generally enjoying the day and all....
then, out of nowhere...this giant barrel comes out of the clouds and starts taking shots at your ass. POW POW POW POW POW POW POW. all of a sudden it's like fucking NAM or something and you're running scared for your life... then, some enormous mother fucker comes out and he's got this big fucking magnifying glass holding it over your head until the sun finally fries you like a god damned chicken nugget. oh, and THEN... some guy decides, hey.. this would be cool....
and he whips out his blimp sized penis and douses you in urine trying to drown you. (my personal favorite for insect torture) :D anyway...that would be crazy shit, right?
btw, i'm not an animal rights activist or anything like that...that's not the point to my story.....


PETA all the way!!:D
(People Eating Tasty Animals)

3 Sheets To The Wind
07-06-2005, 10:42 PM
lol, pretty good ideas w4terb0ng, blimp sized penis... drowning in urine, was that you in that porn vid? :D

muncheemama
07-06-2005, 11:02 PM
could you imagine just walking down the street one day...stoned out of your mind... just generally enjoying the day and all....
then, out of nowhere...this giant barrel comes out of the clouds and starts taking shots at your ass. POW POW POW POW POW POW POW. all of a sudden it's like fucking NAM or something and you're running scared for your life... then, some enormous mother fucker comes out and he's got this big fucking magnifying glass holding it over your head until the sun finally fries you like a god damned chicken nugget. oh, and THEN... some guy decides, hey.. this would be cool....
and he whips out his blimp sized penis and douses you in urine trying to drown you. (my personal favorite for insect torture) :D anyway...that would be crazy shit, right?
btw, i'm not an animal rights activist or anything like that...that's not the point to my story.....


PETA all the way!!:D
(People Eating Tasty Animals)
blimp sized penis.....yeah right...hehehee

Unregistered Felon
07-07-2005, 01:25 AM
Mister Felon, if you choose to carry that's your choice. I have drawn down on people and thank god I did not have to shoot them. I am not going to put myself in that situation again though. I don't get into bar brawls and I am pretty good at avoiding situations like that so I have no need to carry a sidearm. Pepper spray works just fine for me. I am not against you carrying, but then again I don't know why you are a felon. I'm an NRA member and pro-gun activist, so I am not against using a firearm for defense. Why people choose to arm themselves or not is a personal matter. I choose a less lethal choice though. Oh and 3sheets, yeah that did piss me off a bit. I am against killing for entertainment. Yeah it may just be a frog to you, but I see it as a life that was wasted for no reason other than a laugh.


So true dude, I am a felon well just check the title of the site bro for the reason!

I did make the choice to live that life and it was very risky.
I am the only one of my little group that made it to "retirement" without a long jail term or getting killed.
It was either luck or god's grace who knows?!?!
Many times the situation where you would need a firearm the most cannot be avioded ;example
A texas legislator was eating dinner with her family, gunmen entered the diner and started to execute poeple in cold blood. While this woman had the right to carry she was not allowed to bring it into the diner. The law said she must leave it in her car, that night she lost her father and mother becuase she followed the law, she did nothing to put her self in danger execept by her choice of where she ate!!
I will never be caught without a firearm within arms reach, I have seen too much to stand by and let others(police) protect me!
Having said that I do respect others right to not carry and that is ok, it will only take one person like me to stop the REAL felons out there and protect the others (non gun owners)

FELON

sawleaf
07-07-2005, 04:12 PM
So true dude, I am a felon well just check the title of the site bro for the reason!

I did make the choice to live that life and it was very risky.
I am the only one of my little group that made it to "retirement" without a long jail term or getting killed.
It was either luck or god's grace who knows?!?!
Many times the situation where you would need a firearm the most cannot be avioded ;example
A texas legislator was eating dinner with her family, gunmen entered the diner and started to execute poeple in cold blood. While this woman had the right to carry she was not allowed to bring it into the diner. The law said she must leave it in her car, that night she lost her father and mother becuase she followed the law, she did nothing to put her self in danger execept by her choice of where she ate!!
I will never be caught without a firearm within arms reach, I have seen too much to stand by and let others(police) protect me!
Having said that I do respect others right to not carry and that is ok, it will only take one person like me to stop the REAL felons out there and protect the others (non gun owners)

FELON

Very true! I forgot to mention that I live in Maryland and am always being stopped by cops. We do have carry laws here in MD, but you pretty much have to know the pope to get one. It is very very restricted unfortunately. It would be nice to have my AR-15 in the trunk of my car just incase it is ever needed. But in my area, I seem to be more threatened by the police than by criminals. Crime is pretty low in my area and bored cops are everywhere. I have only had to pull out pepperspray twice in 4 years, and I didn't even get to spray it. :)

st0n3r
10-01-2005, 11:44 AM
yeh but does any1 know where i can purchase pepper spray in the uk at all?