~ Honey * OIL ~

[sev7enCrows]

I was wondering how i could turn all my access leaf into Honey Oil , cause its to damn hard to make bubble hash

[gs8778]

em, I posted the link for ya in yer other thread

[sev7enCrows]

yeah i know but that link DIDNT WORK

[gs8778]

well then, I'll cut and paste the shit for ya. here ya go....

Hash Honey Oil
The Boffo Butane-PVC Hash Oil Extractor

Trash leaf to honey oil in minutes
by Indra - 5/1/99


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For those of us who never quite got over the loss when fine-quality hash oil disappeared from the market, and for cannabis connoisseurs of all ages everywhere, it would be my honor to write up what has to be the easiest, highest-yielding and most selective cannabis oil extraction method available to date.

This method has its basis in a fascinating industrial extraction method known as Supercritical Fluid Extraction. It uses totally over-the-counter butane gas (8 oz can, camping supply store, ~US$4.50) as the extraction solvent, and requires nothing even remotely suspicious or difficult to purchase. The only other thing needed is about $2.00 worth of PVC pipe: a section 1.5 (one and a half) feet long and 1 & 3/4" diameter (outer diameter I believe), and two end caps. Threaded PVC is not necessary.

For reasons not yet clear to those of us investigating these things "unofficially," butane (and perhaps other gas/solvents with similar ultra-low-boiling properties) selectively solvate the desirable fraction(s) of cannabis oils, pulling out only a beautiful amber "honey oil" and leaving the undesirable vegetative oils, waxes, chlorophyll, etc. behind in the plant matter. Even unsmokable shade leaves produce a wonderfully clean and potent gold oil with this method. I have every reason to suspect that this would work splendidly to extract a super-strong and tasty oil from gross, unpalatable "schwag" commercial pot too, and of course, the better grade of herb you put it in, the better the resulting oil.

Note that the amount of honey oil resulting is very low. Cannabis leaf and bud varies in THC content from 0.5% to over 10% for extremely high potency bud, with the average for normal quality material in the 1-3% range. With a perfect extraction (this method will not approach 100%), that would mean less than a gram of oil from each ounce of leaf and between 1 and 3 grams of oil from each ounce of high-potency bud. The primary use for this technique is to render leaf into a form more appropriate for medical use by removing other tars and ash-producing material from the psychoactive principals.

METHOD:
In one of the PVC end caps, drill a single small hole in the center. This hole should be correctly sized to snugly receive the little outlet nozzle of your butane can.

In the other end cap, drill a group of 5 or 6 small holes clustered in the center (like a pepper shaker).

After putting a piece of paper towel or coffee filter inside it for filtration, put the end cap with several holes on one end of the pipe. Push it on there real tight. This is the bottom.

Fill the pipe up with plant matter that has been pulverized into a coarse powder. You want it filled, but not packed down. (Full pipe estimated at 1.5 oz capacity, but this is a guess. I did not weigh it.)

Place the top end cap on the pipe. Again, push it on as securely as you can by hand.

Find a location outdoors with a decent breeze. You want these butane fumes to be quickly carried away. Seriously.

Mount the pipe (single hole-side up) over a vessel that can hold 300mL+. Beakers are perfect. A lab stand and clamp are ideal for the mounting, but a regular shop clamp or anything that can hold it sturdily is fine. (Avoid metal if you can, to reduce the chance of sparks.) Position the bottom end of the pipe immediately over (1-2") the receiving vessel to eliminate splatter loss.
Turn the butane gas can upside down and dispense the gas into the pipe via the single top hole. A whole 8-oz can takes about 10-12 seconds to evacuate. Be brave, swift, and careful. A spark at this moment would spell disaster since you have basically created an incendiary explosive device that is leaking.

When you've exhausted the can into the pipe, back off to a nice distance and let it do its thing.

The butane moves down the pipe, extracting the cannabis as it goes. When it gets to the bottom (~30 seconds after dispensing), it begins to drain into the receiving vessel. Notice the pale, glowing yellow-green-gold hue of the extract. It is obvious no chlorophyll was pulled out of the herb.

Over approximately five to eight minutes, the butane extract will finish draining from the pipe to the receiving vessel. Maintain caution with the pipe, however, since there is a lot of residual butane still evaporating from within the pipe (notice the stream of fumes coming from the top hole). When it slows down to a drop every few seconds, you can tap on the top hole with your finger and it will help push the last of the liquid butane out (or one can gently blow into the top hole to do the same thing). Remember, NO SMOKING, unless you wish to immolate yourself in grand fashion.

Being very low-boiling and volatile, the collected butane will likely begin boiling at ambient temperature. The receiving vessel will gradually frost up as the butane cools it down, slowing down its rate of evaporation, but you can speed this up again simply by holding it in your hands. A better way is to set it in a saucepan containing a little bit of warm water. Watch the butane start bubbling madly with the increase in temperature and marvel at its low boiling point. Again, be doing this outdoors with a nice breeze! It takes about 20 minutes or so to allow the butane to evaporate, or quicker if you help it along. You are left with a deep amber, almost orange oil of amazing purity.

The best way to collect and store the oil is probably to let all of the butane evaporate off and then redissolve the oil in some anhydrous or high-% alcohol, and then pour this into a vial and let it sit out for a day or two to allow the alcohol to evaporate. Trying to transfer the oil into a small container while it is still solvated by the butane is too risky. I learned the hard way about this, thanks to the volatile temperament of butane. I had filled a vial almost all the way to the top and was preparing to drop those last couple drops in, so that cleverly, I could let the last of the butane evaporate from the vial and the oil would all be neatly contained. But when the last drop hit the mother lode in the vial, it changed the temperature of the solution in the vial upward by a hair and it all "superboiled" out of the vial and onto my fingers, which of course startled me and caused me to drop the vial. I suggest dissolving it in alcohol as I mentioned above. If you can get pure or 99% isopropanol (isopropyl), use it, because THC's photosensitivity reportedly does not occur in isopropanol.

The final product is a deep yellow-amber oil of the highest quality, incredibly pure and potent. I remember well some of the prime "honey oil" hash oils that hit the market in the late 1970s, and this stuff stands up to (if not exceeds) any of them. It's amazing how this method extracts only the good fraction and leaves the junk in the weed. But that's exactly what it does. Note also that this oil has a somewhat higher melt/vaporization point than traditional hash oils; the traditional dispensing method (dipping a needle or paper clip in, getting some goop on the end, and warming it with a flame to get it to drip off into your bowl) still works with this stuff, but it seems you have to be more careful with it because it doesn't heat to liquid state as quickly or in the same manner, and it can more easily be allowed to burn up on your needle. So be careful.

Those who prefer a tincture-like preparation can of course thin the product a little with a bit of warm high-percentage alcohol like Everclear or 90-whatever-% isopropyl, then drop it onto buds or let a joint absorb some, then let the alcohol evaporate. I also observed that unlike hash oil derived from traditional methods, this product is not immediately soluble in room-temp alcohol; it needed to be warmed before it dissolved fully.

So there it is. Spread the word far and wide: honey oil is BACK!

[Erowid Note: Some concern has been expressed about the possibility of a PVC residue in the final product. This has not been verified, but a possible solution would be to use steel instead. Some reliable chemists have stated that PVC should be resistant to butane, but a preliminary flush of the PVC to remove any residue left from production might be warranted.]

[Tacit]

I have successfully extracted the oil many times but I am just recently trying to rotate all the lesser cannabinoids and cannabinols into thc and the existing thc into the most active isomer, delta-9-thc. I need to know if the oil that I have been extracting the butane way is pure enough to skip the ether purification step and go right to the sulfuric acid isomerization part? Anyone out there know what I am talking about?

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

i think cannabutter is really good why not just make that?

[Ammie]

WOW THATS A LOT OF INFO MY HEAD IS SPINNIN

[DrGonzo]

I actually wanna try that...if I had a bunch of leaf, that'd be awesome


and so dangerous!

[Tacit]

canna butter is good but not as strong. and not as much thc get used. the method I was refering to is the best way to get the most usable thc.

[KillaBuzz]

jezuz....im wit yah on that Ammie...i dunt even kno wutz goin on
PeAcE

[Tacit]

you can do it with leaves but the amount of oil is low in comparison to dank. the better the bud/herb the more oil. I dont even smoke my bud anymore. i extract all the bud I get and it last me twice as long. When you roast a dove (joint) or smoke it from a pipe or any way that involves burning with open flame you lose about 45 percent of the thc. it gets burned up before you can inhale it and you dont get as much thc. I'm not guessing. pharmacies have proven that with research for me. Not a very effecient way to get high if you ask me. But over all if your having a good time getting high thats all that really matters anyway, no matter how you get there.

[Tacit]

for all you who dont know what we are talking about. canna butter is waht you get when you sate' (sp?) bud in butter just enough to heat it up not brown it, only nice and hot. since thc is a oil based chemical it transfers to the butter (about 60% of it) and then you eat it any way you want. one good thing about eating thc is that it passes through your liver and causes your liver to produce certain chemicals that help increase your high a little more.

[KillaBuzz]

no no, i think we all get the cannabutter. i wuz talkin bout this
"I have successfully extracted the oil many times but I am just recently trying to rotate all the lesser cannabinoids and cannabinols into thc and the existing thc into the most active isomer, delta-9-thc. I need to know if the oil that I have been extracting the butane way is pure enough to skip the ether purification step and go right to the sulfuric acid isomerization part? Anyone out there know what I am talking about?"

[Tacit]

sorry, what i was talking about was the oil the I have extracted using the butane method. Its good and gets you really high with just two or so hits. but there is a way to increase the potency anywhere from 2 to 9 times the strength... Super THC! that way you really only need to take one hit to get really, really high! the only thing is that its a little involved, chemistry wise that is. and there are a couple of purification steps that I would like to skip if I dont need to purify the oil I have already. the method I learned for increasing the potency starts with extracting the oil using acetone then refining the oil in another couple steps. I was wanted to find out if the oil I have been getting from the butane, not the acetone, extraction method is pure enough to skip the purification steps you have to do when you use the acetone method. I know the oil I get using the butane method is more pure than if I used the acetone method but I dont know how much more.

[Tacit]

never mind I just found the information i needed. thanks to all anyway.

[Tacit]

by the way this link provides the information about how the butane (supercritical fluid extraction) method works. http://sunny.vemt.bme.hu/sfe/angol/supercritical.html

[Lola]

poop

[Mole2k4]

Well, obviously.
The more times, you filter it, the more potent it will be, because your removing more of the waste.
So, your not actually increasing the hit, just refining it.
For example.
A really bad one, but all I can think of.
If you have a gram of coke.
and add half a gram of teething.
You still have a gram of good coke albeit mixed with half a gram of teething powder.
If you have 1.5grams of coke (with teething powder) and take out the teething powder.
You still have a gram of coke. but technically, your taking less, so the potency has "increased".
Dont make sense, but yeah, more you refine it, the less you have, but the more concentrate, THATS THE WORD!, the more concentrated it is.

[Tacit]

Well, obviously.
The more times, you filter it, the more potent it will be, because your removing more of the waste.
So, your not actually increasing the hit, just refining it.
For example.
A really bad one, but all I can think of.
If you have a gram of coke.
and add half a gram of teething.
You still have a gram of good coke albeit mixed with half a gram of teething powder.
If you have 1.5grams of coke (with teething powder) and take out the teething powder.
You still have a gram of coke. but technically, your taking less, so the potency has "increased".
Dont make sense, but yeah, more you refine it, the less you have, but the more concentrate, THATS THE WORD!, the more concentrated it is.


Well "obviously" "mole" you know nothing about chemistry because if you did you would have understood by reading my first question that the "increasing" I was talking about is not the same as refining. I was talking about changing the chemical precursers of THC that are in the oil (which is by the way as pure oil as your going to get by any means of refining due to the fact that the oil you have is not refinable by any means other than using liquid CO2 which requires more lab equipment than either of us could afford in our lifetimesU) into THC [/U] and the THC into delta-9-thc which is the most potent form of THC. But thanks for trying. " obviously"... smartass and thats not "THE WORD" thats the fact.

[Mole2k4]

well, OBVIOUSLY, your a bit of a bonehead with an attitude, like that.

Not to mention the fact, that there is NO EVIDENCE, that delta-9 thc is the main contributor to the medicinal use of cannabis, which I would presume, is the main reason you would be going to so much effort, with a clearly far advanced IQ that you must posses
If however, your some uber cool, science lab tech, and your using it to get stoned. That's alot of effort, for something that isn't really assured to work.

Also, through your own admission, thanks to these pharmacies, able to do your work for, you lose 45% of the THC, when you smoke it, and you also claim that eating it, isn't the most effective way.
So please, enlighten me, if you'r not going to smoke it and not going to consume it, how on earth do you plan to get it into your body?

Cannabigerol (CBG) is the first component of the pathway. It undergoes chemical change to form either cannabichromene (CBC), or cannabidiol (CBD). Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is derived from CBD.
How do you intend to do such a feat?

[Mole2k4]

Also, if you aren't talking about refinement.
Dont post about :
"and there are a couple of purification steps that I would like to skip if I dont need to purify the oil I have already. the method I learned for increasing the potency starts with extracting the oil using acetone then refining the oil in another couple steps"
As you can see, you have REFINED IT, so obviously, Mr.Bonehead, I was replying to your post, and you OBVIOUSLY, have a few Labs filled with liquid co2 to do so.
:)

[Ammie]

lmfao i love boneheads ;)

[Tacit]

Well first of all. You were the smartass to begin with. But seeing how you want to turn this into some kind of cyber pissing contest I will play alongâ?¦ dick. And for the record I was trying to find how pure the oil you get using the butane (supercritical fluid extraction) method was. You seem to be someone that jumps to conclusions and assumes things and you know what that meansâ?¦ dick. I was referring to two separate procedures one that involves extracting the oil using butane. And a different one that is a three step extraction and purification processes which starts with herb and extracts the oil then refines it and then converts all the chemical precursors of THC into THC therefore increasing the potency... dick. So maybe you are the one that was mistaken and assumed you knew what the fuck I was talking about and added your little smartass remark about purification. And I quote
â??Well, obviously.
The more times, you filter it, the more potent it will be, because your removing more of the waste.
So, your not actually increasing the hit, just refining it.â?�

And also you are an idiot... dick. The fact that you are speaking of shit you know nothing of and then you trying to correct someone who does shows that. You said: â??Not to mention the fact, that there is NO EVIDENCE, that delta-9 THC is the main contributor to the medicinal use of cannabisâ?� so here you go. You know with my â??superior IQâ?� I was able to learn a few things about stuff like chemistry and facts so Iâ??m not talking about shit I donâ??t know about. Here is the â??evidenceâ?� about delta-9-thc.


�MARINOL®, a synthetic formulation of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is approved as an appetite stimulant for HIV/AIDS patients and as an antiemetic to stem the nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy. MARINOL® should be used with caution in patients with cardiac disorders, a history of substance abuse, mania, depression or schizophrenia.
The Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) rescheduled MARINOL® from Schedule II to Schedule III, a move that indicates a lower abuse potential for the product, and allows doctors to write refills for MARINOL®.
Please see full prescribing informationâ?�
And in response to another smartass remark by you â??Also, through your own admission, thanks to these pharmacies, able to do your work for, you lose 45% of the THC, when you smoke it, and you also claim that eating it, isn't the most effective way.
So please, enlighten me, if you'r not going to smoke it and not going to consume it, how on earth do you plan to get it into your body?â?�
Have you ever heard of vaporizing/freebasing? Or is that a little beyond your narrow minded vision.

[Tacit]

Cannabigerol (CBG) is the first component of the pathway. It undergoes chemical change to form either cannabichromene (CBC), or cannabidiol (CBD). Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is derived from CBD.
How do you intend to do such a feat?


by the way I just love how you cut and paste that remark as if it were your own so you would look educated. but sorry that is from

http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html

"Diagram 1 (Above). Cannabinoid pathway. Cannabinoids represent a dimer consisting of a terpene and a phenol component. Cannabigerol (CBG) is the first component of the pathway. It undergoes chemical change to form either cannabichromene (CBC), or cannabidiol (CBD). Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is derived from CBD.

Cannabinoids include these more abundant forms:

THC, delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol

CBD, cannabidiol

CBC, cannabichromene

CBG, cannabigerol

Another cannabinoid, cannabinol (CBN), is formed from THC and can be detected in some plant strains. Typically, THC, CBD, CBC and CBG occur together in different ratios in the various plant strains. In fiber strains CBD/CBC are in high concentrations and THC is at a low concentration; in drug strains, THC is high and CBD/CBC are low. An important area to be studied relates to the occurrence in the plant of potential precursor for cannabinoid formation and where synthesis occurs in the cell."

[Mole2k4]

Love it, yes heard of vaporising, just suprised you have.

Ok, basically, I can't be arsed with another arguement today. I'm asking you, how are you going to convert, cells, that have already mutated, from one form to another?
How are you going to revert, CBC, to CBD, so you can thus make Delta-9 THC?
Unless, you are talking about to genetically modify the cells, I honestly don't see how you can achieve such a feat.
Also, I did some research as well, and that's why I said that delta-9 thc isn't the guaranteed ingredient for medicnial purposes.

http://www.cannabis.net/medicine/medicinal.html
shows a test result's based around the use of cannabis, delta-9 thc, and a freebase drug with an artificial delta-9-thc.
Please, check it out.
Also, check out
http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html
for the basics of how delta-thc 9 is created within the plant material, and how CBC does NOT create THC.

Notice, how I said MAIN contributor, I did not deny that it had healing affect's, I stated that it was purely and simply, not the be all and end all of the medicinal effects.
Feel free to reply, but to be honest, I think we should agree to disagree and you get on with your task.

[Mole2k4]

I know where I get my information from, that's why I posted the link in this discussion, and should anyone ask where I got it from I would of told them, look man, I can't be arsed with this.
So your the man, whatever you feel you need to feel appreciated.
Good luck in your attempts.
peace.

[Tacit]

ok, I'm sorry for jumping your shit.

[KillaBuzz]

take it e-z ladiez, who even givez a fuck bout tetrahydroglicerine delta 9 er wutever the fuck yer even talkin bout. i think both ov yaz shood twist one up, smoke an relax. therez bigger thingz 2 worry bout then which one ov u iz correct.
PeAcE

[Tacit]

i never asked to be " the man" I just wanted to know something that i found out anyway somewhere else. I just got irritated at your response

[Tacit]

mole, if you would like to know how I am trying to do the conversion I will tell you gladly

[Mole2k4]

True KB, thats why I need a hookup ;)
Fly your shit to london for me.

[KillaBuzz]

i wood if i cood buddy. juss giver sum time tho, u'll find a good hookup. ask yer friendz an if they dunt kno anyone, wait till yah come across sumone whoz wearin sum pot leafz on they clothez er sumthin an juss ask em. thatz a pretty low thing ta do i guess but hey, anythin fer mj. ive done er b4.
PeAcE An Good Luck