From a Republican.....

[XTC]

Wish I could take credit for this blog because it's pretty damn close to how I feel.....



First of all I am a (real) Republican, but I do not support Bush. Bush is a Neo-con or neo-conservative, not a Republican. Conservatives stand for less government not the giant government Bush has created which spend more than the worst liberals in history. We are trillions in debt people.

Why do people hate Bush? No they're are not all knee jerk liberals or pansy hippy types. People hate him because he is a dumb ass and an ass hole. Do read on, I challenge you to make it to the end... If you do then you can already read better than our president.

From Iraq to Enron Bush has lied about so many things and allowed so much profiteering that there is hardly a place to begin. Iâ??m no longer blaming the greedy pork leeches in our plutocratic political bodies. I am angry at the sheep that support them. Itâ??s the soccer moms and the Reich-wing Christian coalition with their 17th century morality and simplistic black and white view of the world, who have been the lock-steps of Bushâ??s army. A religion of scare tactics, blind faith, and fear mongering... a faith that trades safety from (a fictitious) evil, for absolute obedience and trust, begets a susceptibility to a political structure of the same vein. The Born Again cult is Bushâ??s front line of wild-eyed â??save me-if I obeyâ?? fanatics. Revenge is what the fundamentalists want and their anger is palpable and malleable.

Corporate scandals go unpunished and disinformation about the war is ignored or rationalized. When it was clear even to the unthinking person that Iraq was not a threat to the US, that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction or a capacity to build them and no links to 911 or Al-Quaeda, when the claim about Saddam acquiring uranium from Africa was shown to be based on a forgery, the general public ignored it. The rational switched to the age old rhetoric of â??spreading democracy.â?? The truth is most Americans did not care why or who we went to war with, they were desperately searching for show of force to repair their bruised egos. War has become an extension of vicarious masculinity.

When Usama bin Laden knocked out Americaâ??s two front teeth in New York City, many Americans felt for the victims and their families, however as can be seen by the egocentric reaction to the attack, many were feeling like there had been an attack on their pride. They felt small and vulnerable, the fear was so high and the sheep so convinced, that giant bomb proof cells were on the market and shaky hands were scrambling for duck-tape to survive the impending doom of the mythical weapons of mass destruction coming from an irrelevant country. (The anthrax scare lasted about a week, pharmaceuticals got a fat check and it all went away...) The egocentric spin was that Usama had â??attacked symbols of Americaâ??, that he hated American freedom and it was the jealousy of this freedom that caused the attacks.

Never mind American foreign policy, which assist Israeli terrorism despite worldwide condemnation, never mind that the twin towers and the pentagon were strategic targets, they were only financial and military centers of the USA. Itâ??s not like September 11th 1922, was the day the British took over Palestine. Itâ??s not like Usama mentioned the Palestinian conflict 35 times in his infamous letter to America. Itâ??s not like he recently made a tape referring to the US-Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Hey Americaâ??s support of racially segregated settlements and an apartheid wall is perfectly fine because after all we are helping Israel â??defendâ?? itself from suicide bombings which in no way could be the result of Israelis bulldozing down thousands of homes, stealing land, and murdering thousands of people, in their religiously justified ethnic cleansing. Americanâ??s are willfully in the dark about this issue. CNN and company report every suicide bombing and only report Israeli aggression as â??killing militantsâ?? and terrorists.â?? Why because Israel is a cash cow for the military industrial complex.

What of our crimes? We simply ignore them. If three thousand civilians die in New York, itâ??s terrorism; if one hundred thousand civilians die in Iraq, itâ??s â??spreading democracy.â?? The most interesting thing is that Iraq had nothing to do with 911 or Usama/Osama.

MSNBC reported during the election night results that the top issue for many voters was not the economy or the war on terror, which took second and third place. The top issue at 21% was *moral value* issues AKA prejudice towards homosexuals. Two women getting married is a moral catastrophe while killing children in a war that was fought on false pretexts is not.

Americans suffered from a battered ego. Note the delight of the big & bad, â??Shock and Aweâ?? campaign. â??Thatâ??s right weâ??ll showâ??em.â?� What of the 12,350 and counting Americans who have been wounded? What did the war in Iraq accomplish? Sure Halliburton-KBR and the rest of Bushâ??s cabinetâ??s corporate wish-list made out. Sure the concentration of ownership over oil has increased thus raising the price of oil and the wealth of the monopoly chasers. Sure the greatest threat to the Israel (the only middle eastern country that does have WMD and does kill their own people daily and has preemptively attacked all her neighbors, including an attack on the an American ship the USS Liberty) was defeated. But how again is this fighting the war on terror? Iraq has never attacked the US and no Iraqis have ever committed a terrorist attack in the US (unlike Saudi Arabia and Israel.)

There is no Jewish or Saudi conspiracy. The reasons for the war in Iraq are in plain sight. Corporate profiteering, control over vital resources, assisting Israel. and the expansion of the military Industrial complex, all have a common thread: American Imperialism. PNAC or the Project for a New American Century outlined the plan from the mid 90s. September 11th was just the â??Reichstagâ?? that the neoconservatives needed to divert the public anger and steer it towards their economic aims.


Both Kerry and Bush supported the Iraq War, the anti-civil liberty PATRIOT Act, the unconditional support of Israel, increased defense spending, and homophobia, although Kerry to a lesser degree on the last one which is minutia compared to war and genocide unless youâ??re a Midwest/Southern bible thumper. It is a sad, sad, sad, state of democracy when the president does not believe in evolution, (i take it most of you don't either) cannot complete full sentences consistently, and the challenger is a gold-digging, special interest sell out, warmonger himself. Of the two though, it was very clear that John Kerry was the sanest choice. At least he believes in science, he has a great twenty year record protecting the environment, and he was at least going to stop some of the corporate outsourcing and raise minimum wage some insignificant degree. George Bush is the worst President since Grant and possibly the worst of all time. The Democrats should have annihilated him. They fell victim to the polls of self fulfilling prophecies generated by the controlled media and chose John Kerry.

The media does not report news. The media is a business; it has become an entertainment industry. This is a different can of worms, that given the results of the Republican takeover of all branches of government, I donâ??t have the energy to get into.


Americans need to wake up. Our plutocratic system of choose between the millionaires style democracy has failed. Democracy is dead; it has given way to the manipulation of the lowest common denominator. Our schools are a joke, our politicians are corrupt, our media is complacent, they have become a circus of hacks and talking heads viding for celebrity status. Tucker and his bow tie, Oâ??Reilly and his â??factorâ??â?¦ they are like little characters with exaggerated personalities that search for punch-lines and shock value more than reporting the news. They want a reputation for entertainment not reliability and newsworthiness.


Itâ??s a very sad, sad, sad, state of democracy when people turn to comedy central and satirical cartoon shows to get more accurate information on current affairs than from our papers and televised news channels. This is not an exaggeration this is a growing reality.

Why do we even have intelligence agencies if the president is not going to listen to them? The CIA knew we had no evidence of Weapons of Mass destruction, they told Bush point blank, not to include the uranium myth in his State of the Union Address, but he did it anyway. Bush just gets rid of dissenting voices. CIA agent Valerie Plame was ousted when Joe Wilson spoke out against the war, Scott Ritter, General Anthony Zinni, General Eric Shinseki, and Lawrence Lindsey, Richard Clarke, the list goes on, and any dissenting voice is silenced. How can we have a healthy democracy when voices of reason are punished, or any disagreement with the war party auto-labeled as unpatriotic?


We cannot let religious fanatics and Reich-wing propaganda and scare tactics rules OUR country. Our process has failed. It is time to take to the streets. I donâ??t mean in violence;I mean in numbers. George Bush is Not my president. I do not accept his leadership of deception. I will not follow his plans for Iran, Syria and Lebanon. We are not a nation of idiots. We have the brightest, most intelligent and creative minds in the world. We still have some of our rights left from our Founding Fathers. It is time to exercise the first amendment.

[nicholasstanko]

I love this thread. It might not be your words but it's the idea behind them. I can't stand to watch Fox News. I've only stomached the "O'Lielly" factor just because i wondered how much bullshit he could spout in one sitting. He's like a senile old man sitting on a front porch yelling at people who don't agree with him. I watched an "interview" (sure thats what it is) with someone who lost their family in the WTC and that sonofabitch really thought he had someone who would sit there and cry and say how much everyone needed to kill terrorists. Imagine that fuck's surprise when the guy quite oppositely said that the Afghani's didn't kill his people but TERRORISTS did. Even with his loss, he could never support destroying a whole country over it. O couldn't take that and even told him to SHUTUP! He even went so far as to cut his mike! There are big things going on and we have too many people wanting MTV or the newest runaway bride. In fact, have you seen Headline News Primetime? Instead of using valuable airtime to talk about real issues that affect real lives, we have Nancy Grace playing the bleeding heart lawyer talking about children that get kidnapped and raped. I could understand if the show actually STOPPED things like that from happening but its basically just a commentary about how bad it is and her opinions on what the punishment should be. Thanks Nancy. And that isnt even as bad as the dreck surrounding her show with entertainment highlights and so forth? WHAT!!!??!? At seven o'clock every evening I get to watch Paris Hilton's latest slutty escapades and a segment of "Where's Tinkerbell now?"

[BlueCat]

Viva la Revolucion!

good post XTC!!

Hey I just watched the dvd The Fourth World War...it was fantasic..I got it from blockbuster..I was surprised they carry it! I went to the WTO protest in Seattle so I really connected with this movie. They did a wonderful job. Hope you'll watch it.
PEACE
Cat

[pisshead]

hey blue cat...you were at the 99 wto protests? where they set up the freedom to not be allowed to protest zones? and where the feds protected the so called anarchists in federal housing and didn't arrest them as they ransacked the city? then they go the go ahead to assault the largely innocent general public?

check out alex jones' film police state II the takeover...the first part of that is about the wto protests...you might enjoy it. it might bring back memories!

i'll give you my username and password if you want to watch it...

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/video_other.html

d_adamec at yahoo.com if want the username and password

[stoner spirit]

Alix Jones has some vary interesting and sometimes disturbing documentaries. They're all good though, I only saw clips and stuff on the website, its too bad that they don't include an address for sending money orders. It would make it vary easier for me and maybe others to become members. I don't care for credit cards or paypal, because it would be vary risky for putting a card number on line, or have the information stolen from Paypal.

[pisshead]

i think he does accept money orders...for prisonplanet.tv. i can find out for you...or you can try emailing them...i think you'd just have to send a money order along with the username and password you want.

it should not be a problem to use a credit card to sign up, but i understand if you're a bit iffy on that.

[BlueCat]

thanks PH check your email.... :D

[pisshead]

i've already replied!

enjoy.

[gronnh20]

When U.S. foreign policy for the Middle East was drawn up many decades ago their was only two agendas. Protect the natural resources(oil) of the region for U.S. consumption and to make sure the U.S.S.R. did not gain control over the region. Think the cold war is over, think again. This foreign policy is still in place today. The Israelis were about to fuck it all up and attack Saddam and Iraq. Remeber the Israelis already had taken out a nuclear reactor Saddam was trying to build. When the infamous idiot (Bush; as if you didn't know) gave the world wide command to attack terroists wherever they hide Israel figured he gave the go ahead. Hang on Israel let us the U.S. military take care of this for you. We wouldn't want you to waste the military assests we have given you on our taxpayers nickel. The rest you know WMD's, human rights abuses, etc., etc., etc., WAR. And if you believe everything the government and news media says, then I have some prime acreage for sale in the florida everglades. Anyone interested?

[nicholasstanko]

When U.S. foreign policy for the Middle East was drawn up many decades ago their was only two agendas. Protect the natural resources(oil) of the region for U.S. consumption and to make sure the U.S.S.R. did not gain control over the region. Think the cold war is over, think again. This foreign policy is still in place today. The Israelis were about to fuck it all up and attack Saddam and Iraq. Remeber the Israelis already had taken out a nuclear reactor Saddam was trying to build. When the infamous idiot (Bush; as if you didn't know) gave the world wide command to attack terroists wherever they hide Israel figured he gave the go ahead. Hang on Israel let us the U.S. military take care of this for you. We wouldn't want you to waste the military assests we have given you on our taxpayers nickel. The rest you know WMD's, human rights abuses, etc., etc., etc., WAR. And if you believe everything the government and news media says, then I have some prime acreage for sale in the florida everglades. Anyone interested?


That was clever. Have you been smoking?

[F L E S H]

This was a good post, XYC. If republicans were really like this, I could have actually supported them. But as it says in the first line, Bush is not a real Republican, and neither are any of the people surrounding him. It's rare that agree with some article like this, but this was good :)

[BlueCat]

When U.S. foreign policy for the Middle East was drawn up many decades ago their was only two agendas. Protect the natural resources(oil) of the region for U.S. consumption and to make sure the U.S.S.R. did not gain control over the region. Think the cold war is over, think again. This foreign policy is still in place today. The Israelis were about to fuck it all up and attack Saddam and Iraq. Remeber the Israelis already had taken out a nuclear reactor Saddam was trying to build. When the infamous idiot (Bush; as if you didn't know) gave the world wide command to attack terroists wherever they hide Israel figured he gave the go ahead. Hang on Israel let us the U.S. military take care of this for you. We wouldn't want you to waste the military assests we have given you on our taxpayers nickel. The rest you know WMD's, human rights abuses, etc., etc., etc., WAR. And if you believe everything the government and news media says, then I have some prime acreage for sale in the florida everglades. Anyone interested?


Actually what this guy is saying holds water we do have a plan to control the mid-east that was set up long before the Iraq war....and ten years after the attack on Osirak, then-Defense Secretary Cheney reportedly gave Israeli Maj. Gen. David Ivri, then the commander of the Israeli Air Force, a satellite photo of the Iraqi nuclear reactor destroyed by US-built Israeli aircraft. On the photo Cheney penned, "Thanks for the outstanding job on the Iraqi nuclear program in 1981."
Cheney, also expressed deep concern over Iran's "fairly robust new nuclear program," Iran has astated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel."
Cheney says he is afraid that the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards."
The US would love that to happen, we are suppose to think he is worried about it when we give Isreal so much money...more money than we give anyone else...
Did you know...Israel is the single largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid nearly one-third of the total direct bi-lateral aid.
Israel receives more than all of Latin America, the Caribbean, and Africa combined. Israel is, one of the richest countries in the world, a country of around 6 million people, and it receives more aid than two entire continents including some of the poorest regions in the world!!!

The category of direct bi-lateral aid alone is staggering. The House of Representatives has appropriated $2.04 billion in military aid to Israel for next year (up from $1.98 billion this year) in addition to $840 million in economic support funds. The total amount of US aid of this sort has been constant, at around $3 billion, for many years....

It is something to think about..
Cat

[Torog]

Actually what this guy is saying holds water we do have a plan to control the mid-east that was set up long before the Iraq war....and ten years after the attack on Osirak, then-Defense Secretary Cheney reportedly gave Israeli Maj. Gen. David Ivri, then the commander of the Israeli Air Force, a satellite photo of the Iraqi nuclear reactor destroyed by US-built Israeli aircraft. On the photo Cheney penned, "Thanks for the outstanding job on the Iraqi nuclear program in 1981."
Cheney, also expressed deep concern over Iran's "fairly robust new nuclear program," Iran has astated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel."
Cheney says he is afraid that the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards."
The US would love that to happen, we are suppose to think he is worried about it when we give Isreal so much money...more money than we give anyone else...
Did you know...Israel is the single largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid nearly one-third of the total direct bi-lateral aid.
Israel receives more than all of Latin America, the Caribbean, and Africa combined. Israel is, one of the richest countries in the world, a country of around 6 million people, and it receives more aid than two entire continents including some of the poorest regions in the world!!!

The category of direct bi-lateral aid alone is staggering. The House of Representatives has appropriated $2.04 billion in military aid to Israel for next year (up from $1.98 billion this year) in addition to $840 million in economic support funds. The total amount of US aid of this sort has been constant, at around $3 billion, for many years....

It is something to think about..
Cat
Howdy Blue Cat,

So..from what I can gather,you would like to see Israel abandoned and left to Her own devices..is that so ? Does this mean,that you're anti-semetic too ? Perhaps a bit rascist and bigotted ?

You've already declared me an 'idiot',not worthy of being in your magnificent presence..as is typical of all of the liberals that I have dealt with,over the past 7 years online. Y'all typically,dismiss those in fly-over country,believing us to be nothing but uneducated,ignorant hicks. Well..thanx to your snobbish attitude,bigotry and hatred,y'all have lost 2 elections in a row..care to make it 3 ?

Do you have any idea,of what would happen if we abandoned our support of Israel ? When will you finally admit,that the arab world will not relinquish it's long-held and cherished goal,of destroying Israel and killing all Jews on the face of the planet ? Do you really think that you can change this goal by appealing to the arab world ? Do you want them to change their goal ?

Those who stand against Israel..shall fall.

Have a good one...

[Marlboroman]

Howdy Blue Cat,

So..from what I can gather,you would like to see Israel abandoned and left to Her own devices..is that so ? Does this mean,that you're anti-semetic too ? Perhaps a bit rascist and bigotted ?

You've already declared me an 'idiot',not worthy of being in your magnificent presence..as is typical of all of the liberals that I have dealt with,over the past 7 years online. Y'all typically,dismiss those in fly-over country,believing us to be nothing but uneducated,ignorant hicks. Well..thanx to your snobbish attitude,bigotry and hatred,y'all have lost 2 elections in a row..care to make it 3 ?

Do you have any idea,of what would happen if we abandoned our support of Israel ? When will you finally admit,that the arab world will not relinquish it's long-held and cherished goal,of destroying Israel and killing all Jews on the face of the planet ? Do you really think that you can change this goal by appealing to the arab world ? Do you want them to change their goal ?

Those who stand against Israel..shall fall.

Have a good one...


Have you any idea what will happen if you continue to support a facist regime?

My guess is that you do, you act more and more everyday like the quotes from that American Taliban page.

Those quotes probably made total sense to you I bet.

The point you and the rest of your pals keep missing is that there is only ONE body of government with TWO fake sides to it.

Fuck other countries.... right now you need to worry about this one, the one YOU and I live in.

The troops need to be brought back and they need to close our borders with them. Want to protect us from terrorists? Try telling your GOV to use the power it had with the Original Constitution to do so.

The Patriot act is far from Patriotic.

But you dont give a shit right?... all you want is Christianity world wide.

When the cycle comes full circle and there is no other choice but to see what you are supporting. How will you feel about yourself then? Oh never mind thats right, you have gods will behind you. Its your right to do those things acording to the religious reich.

Meanwhile, as gods word preaches forgiveness you preach hate.. Ya that sounds logical to me.

God wont protect any of us from bullets, they say he let his only son die on the cross to take away our sins.

If thats the case, he wont save either of us from death here on earth. Hell is not a factor for me so I dont fear what comes after this world if anything. But I kind of like it here on earth, and Id like to live out my time on it with out persons like yourself mucking up the water.

I am not a pacifist tho, I will react just as most will when my rights and will is being trampled on. The difference is your regime is guided by hate not love.

I watched a catholic mass last night on telecare, total brainwashing. Every prayer dictates who to support and who to damn to hell. thats how the message is beat into you, with prayer.

All you would have had to do is change the language and called them Jihadists and you could have been watching so called terrorists. You just have a better PR machine than they do, but both your sides are the same, you tell the people the same shit the other side is telling theirs.

Its fucking lunacy and your sattled up for the ride. YEEHAW PARDNER!

[nicholasstanko]

Full agreement on that one. I noticed how torog suggested blue cat might be racist while ignoring his comments on mexicans who are so cowardly they probably wouldnt even stop to pick up their dead. If im wrong then ive got him mistaken with someone else. The problem with people like torog is that their willing to justify war because he knows he made the worng choice at the polls assuming he voted at all. he doesnt want to live up to the fact that politics have evolved beyond partisanship. I can just not vote for one asshole but that would mean voting for the other guy who is just as spoiled and disconnected from the world as the first one was. Sure the democratic party might be "dead" right now for a while but so what?

also notice how he never directly responded to her quote about why should we be aiding israel who is just as keen on genocide and wiping out her enemies as the rest of the arab world is intent on killing them. dont worry though, the christian agenda has a provision for the jews as well. notice how the patriot act allows the feds to grab anybodys file and property without permission? what does torog think about that? do you "reckon" that he'll complain that jews are unfairly detained because of "suspicious terrorist activity" because theyre jews and christians fundamentally dont care for jews. of course he wont. he'll probably jump for joy and kick back with his moonshine to celebrate. there'll be a standoff and he'll support killing terrorist jews because they "attacked america" with their financial power.

[Torog]

Full agreement on that one. I noticed how torog suggested blue cat might be racist while ignoring his comments on mexicans who are so cowardly they probably wouldnt even stop to pick up their dead. If im wrong then ive got him mistaken with someone else. The problem with people like torog is that their willing to justify war because he knows he made the worng choice at the polls assuming he voted at all. he doesnt want to live up to the fact that politics have evolved beyond partisanship. I can just not vote for one asshole but that would mean voting for the other guy who is just as spoiled and disconnected from the world as the first one was. Sure the democratic party might be "dead" right now for a while but so what?

also notice how he never directly responded to her quote about why should we be aiding israel who is just as keen on genocide and wiping out her enemies as the rest of the arab world is intent on killing them. dont worry though, the christian agenda has a provision for the jews as well. notice how the patriot act allows the feds to grab anybodys file and property without permission? what does torog think about that? do you "reckon" that he'll complain that jews are unfairly detained because of "suspicious terrorist activity" because theyre jews and christians fundamentally dont care for jews. of course he wont. he'll probably jump for joy and kick back with his moonshine to celebrate. there'll be a standoff and he'll support killing terrorist jews because they "attacked america" with their financial power.
Howdy nicholas,

Mexicans,or anyone else for that matter,would not stop to pick up their dead,if they are involved in a criminal action..they would not want to be burdened with the heavy load..they'd be worried about saving their own behinds and putting distance between themselves and the evidence.

You and Marlboroman,are thoroughly infused with the hatred of the Left and Blue Cat is a classic example of a snobby liberal,y'all would feel most comfortable,at the DU site..that way,y'all could hear everything you want and like to hear..and no one would upset your little red wagons.

In regards to Jews.I'm in love with a liberal Jew,for the last 9 years,goin on 10,and I believe that I know a heck of alot more than all of you 3 put together,when it comes to Jews. I've been to 2 Sedr's(Passovers),and wore the yamulka,both times. I believe that all 3 of y'all,are anti-semetic and believe every word that comes from the pali's and the arab-muslim world.

I have been voting,since 1978..have y'all been voting ? I take my role as a citizen/soldier..dead serious,for y'all..there's a laundry-list of conditions to be met,and you must have permission from other countries,before you can act. The folks that fought and died so that you might be free to slander your own country,didn't have a list of conditions to be met,before they made the decision to fight for someone else's freedom.

Y'all keep on spewing your hatred,lies and snobbery..we'll keep on winning at the polls and you'll never regain the White House.

Have a good one....

[Sgt. Pepper]

Torog, you say there's hatred on the Left, but you talk like it's all hugs and kisses on the Right. If I ever turn on talk radio or Fox News for a laugh, all I ever hear is some talking head bitching about those evil gays, teachers, the ACLU, and liberals who hate America because they didn't support the Iraq War. You're in power but you're not even taking the time to enjoy it because you're worrying about all these terrible people. If Republicans can win elections so easily and are such great leaders, why are you worried about a gay pride parade trying to topple our government with its "socialist agenda"?

[BlueCat]

Torog your posts only prove your absolute ignorance, calling me racist for not wanting to send huge amounts of money to one of the riches nations in the world who also happens to have more UN charges against it than any other nation. like the UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH INTENTIONAL CHILD MURDER. Recent UN charges of torture in Israel, UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH WAR CRIMES: THE CASE OF THE QANA MASSACRE Their are many JEWS against Israel Too bad your wife is not one of them.

You call me racist after you spit out your hate for Mexican people? I have many friends that are Mexican, Nicaraguan and Honduran, You could not hold a candle to their decency and humanity. You talk of Christ, freedom and security while trumpeting that worthless excuse for a president... You pick at the Bible and your religion to suit your needs but I seem to remember passages like... Thou shalt not KILL...
"Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you...
You slander the word Christain.
As for the president you support
He is not making the US or anyone else in this world more free or secure.
His ONLY agenda is to consolidate wealth and power for himself and his friends.
You are typical of the propaganda swallowing idiots who can't think past the sound bites you get off the TV. After you have heard Rush Limbaugh and Hannity obediently repeat the propaganda a few thousand times, you know it as Truth.

You like your party have no scruples and no respect for anything other than the raw exercise of power. Your claims that we are spewing hate and lies" is nothing more than a desperate attempt to avoid the real issues....

ISSUE: The president is a liar, and the world knows it!

He has killed 100,000 people, ruined our military, spreading them thin, sending them to war unprepared, and lacking trust in their commander in chief.

Bush has pinned us down in a version of Vietnam on steroids, and spent $400 billion+ on a war that we were told would pay for itself.

There are over 1600 dead US service people in Iraq, over 18,000 wounded. Over 80 dead coalition forces. Over 3000 dead Iraqi police & other Iraqi uniformed forces, and unknown tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians.

Iraq is a country whose infrastructure has been destroyed leaving them worse off than before our little adventure, all based on a war of neocon choice founded on deception.

MORE ISSUES FOR YOU TO AVOID: we still have no idea where Bin Laden is, and our president has said numerous times..he is not concerned with Bin Laden the man responsible for Killing AMERICANS.

He has butchered the Geneva Conventions And removed us from the international court further alienated our allies.

He has taken a budget surplus and turned it into record-breaking deficit.

Bush hires fake news men for White House briefings,so he will only get asked "the right questions" he has paid secret pundits, and passes off propaganda disguised a news report.

Your wonderful president did not bother to show up for the worst natural disaster in West Indies history, but made an emergency flight to sign self-serving paperwork for a brain-dead woman.

Your president has put us behind in so many areas of research and has sold our greatest technologies out to communist CHINA.

You conservatives claim to be such right upstanding citizens, yet you support a VP that makes money off Hallibuton and lies about it.You see nothing wrong with him telling his opponents to "go FUCK themselves"? And since when were Bush DUIs and draft dodging outstanding Christian virtues?

Why did you fine Christian Republicans resort to lying about John Kerry (a decorated war hero) by painting him as a war criminal and a traitor during the 2004 campaign? Now that is really standing up for your fellow veteran countrymen.

Why did the respectable White House respond to Joseph Wilson's criticism of the Iraq war by publicly exposing the identity of the undercover CIA agent who happened to be his wife? Endangering her life to further their agenda that seems more the actions of traitors than a Christains...

Why are Army and Marine recruitment quotas down for the last 3 months? Aren't all you Republicans sending your children down to sign up? If you believe so much in this president you should take your kids down and sign them up The petroleum industry needs you too. Torog...you aren't too old to sign up as a contractor. .....


Just what has your president done for you Torog..lets stay on point.

Fascism: the merger of state and corporate power, coupled with jingoist and belligerent nationalism. That's what your country is becoming under Bush.

[BlueCat]

And while we are at it Torog, lets talk about that homophobic streak you have....

Ever wonder why so many Christian Conservatives turn out to be gay....

They use their religious beliefs to try and stifle their urges...

You said you were in the navy didn't you Torog?

My it must be lonely out there on that big ship full of men....

Me thinks you doth protest too much...Torog

You have a good day.

Cat

[nicholasstanko]

Torog your posts only prove your absolute ignorance, calling me racist for not wanting to send huge amounts of money to one of the riches nations in the world who also happens to have more UN charges against it than any other nation. like the UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH INTENTIONAL CHILD MURDER. Recent UN charges of torture in Israel, UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH WAR CRIMES: THE CASE OF THE QANA MASSACRE Their are many JEWS against Israel Too bad your wife is not one of them.

You call me racist after you spit out your hate for Mexican people? I have many friends that are Mexican, Nicaraguan and Honduran, You could not hold a candle to their decency and humanity. You talk of Christ, freedom and security while trumpeting that worthless excuse for a president... You pick at the Bible and your religion to suit your needs but I seem to remember passages like... Thou shalt not KILL...
"Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you...
You slander the word Christain.
As for the president you support
He is not making the US or anyone else in this world more free or secure.
His ONLY agenda is to consolidate wealth and power for himself and his friends.
You are typical of the propaganda swallowing idiots who can't think past the sound bites you get off the TV. After you have heard Rush Limbaugh and Hannity obediently repeat the propaganda a few thousand times, you know it as Truth.

You like your party have no scruples and no respect for anything other than the raw exercise of power. Your claims that we are spewing hate and lies" is nothing more than a desperate attempt to avoid the real issues....

ISSUE: The president is a liar, and the world knows it!

He has killed 100,000 people, ruined our military, spreading them thin, sending them to war unprepared, and lacking trust in their commander in chief.

Bush has pinned us down in a version of Vietnam on steroids, and spent $400 billion+ on a war that we were told would pay for itself.

There are over 1600 dead US service people in Iraq, over 18,000 wounded. Over 80 dead coalition forces. Over 3000 dead Iraqi police & other Iraqi uniformed forces, and unknown tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians.

Iraq is a country whose infrastructure has been destroyed leaving them worse off than before our little adventure, all based on a war of neocon choice founded on deception.

MORE ISSUES FOR YOU TO AVOID: we still have no idea where Bin Laden is, and our president has said numerous times..he is not concerned with Bin Laden the man responsible for Killing AMERICANS.

He has butchered the Geneva Conventions And removed us from the international court further alienated our allies.

He has taken a budget surplus and turned it into record-breaking deficit.

Bush hires fake news men for White House briefings,so he will only get asked "the right questions" he has paid secret pundits, and passes off propaganda disguised a news report.

Your wonderful president did not bother to show up for the worst natural disaster in West Indies history, but made an emergency flight to sign self-serving paperwork for a brain-dead woman.

Your president has put us behind in so many areas of research and has sold our greatest technologies out to communist CHINA.

You conservatives claim to be such right upstanding citizens, yet you support a VP that makes money off Hallibuton and lies about it.You see nothing wrong with him telling his opponents to "go FUCK themselves"? And since when were Bush DUIs and draft dodging outstanding Christian virtues?

Why did you fine Christian Republicans resort to lying about John Kerry (a decorated war hero) by painting him as a war criminal and a traitor during the 2004 campaign? Now that is really standing up for your fellow veteran countrymen.

Why did the respectable White House respond to Joseph Wilson's criticism of the Iraq war by publicly exposing the identity of the undercover CIA agent who happened to be his wife? Endangering her life to further their agenda that seems more the actions of traitors than a Christains...

Why are Army and Marine recruitment quotas down for the last 3 months? Aren't all you Republicans sending your children down to sign up? If you believe so much in this president you should take your kids down and sign them up The petroleum industry needs you too. Torog...you aren't too old to sign up as a contractor. .....


Just what has your president done for you Torog..lets stay on point.

Fascism: the merger of state and corporate power, coupled with jingoist and belligerent nationalism. That's what your country is becoming under Bush.

TOROG! YOU HAVE BEEN OWNED! Bluecat, much love to you I read this over at least four times and it's really the best post ive read since i started. *Raises a spliff to bluecat* I loved how you referenced how torog is a latent homosexual. YOU ARE THE BEST KITTY KAT!

[Marlboroman]

Blue, that was awesome.

I would also like to point out that while Torog never supports his claims with any solid backing of logic.

He continually supports his beleifes with attacks on personal character of his opponents, in an attept to discredit and intimidate with the simple use of anger.

I dont know of any conditions that I have felt the need to require before voteing. But a political party that wasnt attached to the already intrenched facist regimes of the so called republican and democratic parties, would be a great place to start placeing conditions.

Also just a little background on the republican party.

Before the creation of the republican party in the US, there were no political parties, only the documents that our founding fathers drafted.

The republican party was created by Abraham Lincholn when he was makeing a push to abolish slavery. Which at the time had nothing to do with freeing slaves.

the souths provisions for slaves in the south allowed that the southern gov could count each slave as three fifths of a man.

The reason slavery was abolished was to keep the south from counting all its slaves as citizens and then were able to take over the congress. The amount of congressmen you have to your state is dependant on the amount of people in your state.

if the South was allowed to count its slaves, it would have put the north in dire political straights. The republican party was created to go after this effect solely.

This is not the history we are taught in school, we are taught that old Abe hated slavery, Which is not the truth. He also made provisions for slaves to return to Africa when they were set free. His plan was to send them all back. Thats a hardcore racist stand point at all the biggest sheet parties.

We are taught that Abe thought all men should all be treated equally, yet he contended that blacks were not worthy of haveing rights.

Peace.

[Torog]

Torog your posts only prove your absolute ignorance, calling me racist for not wanting to send huge amounts of money to one of the riches nations in the world who also happens to have more UN charges against it than any other nation. like the UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH INTENTIONAL CHILD MURDER. Recent UN charges of torture in Israel, UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH WAR CRIMES: THE CASE OF THE QANA MASSACRE Their are many JEWS against Israel Too bad your wife is not one of them.

You call me racist after you spit out your hate for Mexican people? I have many friends that are Mexican, Nicaraguan and Honduran, You could not hold a candle to their decency and humanity. You talk of Christ, freedom and security while trumpeting that worthless excuse for a president... You pick at the Bible and your religion to suit your needs but I seem to remember passages like... Thou shalt not KILL...
"Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you...
You slander the word Christain.
As for the president you support
He is not making the US or anyone else in this world more free or secure.
His ONLY agenda is to consolidate wealth and power for himself and his friends.
You are typical of the propaganda swallowing idiots who can't think past the sound bites you get off the TV. After you have heard Rush Limbaugh and Hannity obediently repeat the propaganda a few thousand times, you know it as Truth.

You like your party have no scruples and no respect for anything other than the raw exercise of power. Your claims that we are spewing hate and lies" is nothing more than a desperate attempt to avoid the real issues....

ISSUE: The president is a liar, and the world knows it!

He has killed 100,000 people, ruined our military, spreading them thin, sending them to war unprepared, and lacking trust in their commander in chief.

Bush has pinned us down in a version of Vietnam on steroids, and spent $400 billion+ on a war that we were told would pay for itself.

There are over 1600 dead US service people in Iraq, over 18,000 wounded. Over 80 dead coalition forces. Over 3000 dead Iraqi police & other Iraqi uniformed forces, and unknown tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians.

Iraq is a country whose infrastructure has been destroyed leaving them worse off than before our little adventure, all based on a war of neocon choice founded on deception.

MORE ISSUES FOR YOU TO AVOID: we still have no idea where Bin Laden is, and our president has said numerous times..he is not concerned with Bin Laden the man responsible for Killing AMERICANS.

He has butchered the Geneva Conventions And removed us from the international court further alienated our allies.

He has taken a budget surplus and turned it into record-breaking deficit.

Bush hires fake news men for White House briefings,so he will only get asked "the right questions" he has paid secret pundits, and passes off propaganda disguised a news report.

Your wonderful president did not bother to show up for the worst natural disaster in West Indies history, but made an emergency flight to sign self-serving paperwork for a brain-dead woman.

Your president has put us behind in so many areas of research and has sold our greatest technologies out to communist CHINA.

You conservatives claim to be such right upstanding citizens, yet you support a VP that makes money off Hallibuton and lies about it.You see nothing wrong with him telling his opponents to "go F*CK themselves"? And since when were Bush DUIs and draft dodging outstanding Christian virtues?

Why did you fine Christian Republicans resort to lying about John Kerry (a decorated war hero) by painting him as a war criminal and a traitor during the 2004 campaign? Now that is really standing up for your fellow veteran countrymen.

Why did the respectable White House respond to Joseph Wilson's criticism of the Iraq war by publicly exposing the identity of the undercover CIA agent who happened to be his wife? Endangering her life to further their agenda that seems more the actions of traitors than a Christains...

Why are Army and Marine recruitment quotas down for the last 3 months? Aren't all you Republicans sending your children down to sign up? If you believe so much in this president you should take your kids down and sign them up The petroleum industry needs you too. Torog...you aren't too old to sign up as a contractor. .....


Just what has your president done for you Torog..lets stay on point.

Fascism: the merger of state and corporate power, coupled with jingoist and belligerent nationalism. That's what your country is becoming under Bush.
Howdy Blue Cat,

You rage: "Torog your posts only prove your absolute ignorance, calling me racist for not wanting to send huge amounts of money to one of the riches nations in the world who also happens to have more UN charges against it than any other nation. like the UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH INTENTIONAL CHILD MURDER. Recent UN charges of torture in Israel, UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH WAR CRIMES: THE CASE OF THE QANA MASSACRE Their are many JEWS against Israel Too bad your wife is not one of them."

Lord have mercy ! With the exception of a few countries,the UN is almost entirely anti-Israel and anti-US,Syria headed the board on human rights,of course they will issue sanctions against Israel. Sadly,there are Jews who've bought into the propaganda of the muslim jihadists,and side with the jihadists in the belief that Israel is acting more like a terrorist than a democratic country..they are wrong and will eventually have their throat's slit,by the very muslims they side with. The UN,is worthless,corrupt and run by the enemies of Freedom..it should be moved to Paris or Geneva.

You continue to rage:
"You call me racist after you spit out your hate for Mexican people? I have many friends that are Mexican, Nicaraguan and Honduran, You could not hold a candle to their decency and humanity. You talk of Christ, freedom and security while trumpeting that worthless excuse for a president... You pick at the Bible and your religion to suit your needs but I seem to remember passages like... Thou shalt not KILL...
"Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you...
You slander the word Christain.
As for the president you support
He is not making the US or anyone else in this world more free or secure.
His ONLY agenda is to consolidate wealth and power for himself and his friends.
You are typical of the propaganda swallowing idiots who can't think past the sound bites you get off the TV. After you have heard Rush Limbaugh and Hannity obediently repeat the propaganda a few thousand times, you know it as Truth. "

Have I ever said that I hate mexicans ? No..I haven't ,but I do despise those mexicans who are criminals and come to America to prey on law-abiding citizens. Some of my most cherished relatives,are mexican and they are all attending college,as we speak,they are very intelligent and are making good grades.

Thanx to the leadership of President Bush,and the hard work of our soldiers,we've liberated 2 countries from brutal dictatorships and formed democratic goverments in the process of elections and legislation..well over 50 million folks freed..that would have never happened under a democrapper prez,all of those folks,would still be languishing under brutal goverments,both of which,previously expressed the desire and intent,of attacking the US and our allies,specifically,Israel.

I don't listen to Rush or watch Hannity,I do watch O'Reilly alot and I don't agree with everything he says,either. However,I have a sneaking suspicion,that you swallow every lie,spewed by the Left..no matter how ridiculous or un-true..or hateful.

You reach the spit-flyin point,with the rest of your lamentations,such as:


"He has killed 100,000 people, ruined our military, spreading them thin, sending them to war unprepared, and lacking trust in their commander in chief. "

Bush is restoring the military,after 8 years under a CnC,that could not be trusted,and enjoyed recieving blow-jobs,while he talked to the field commanders in Bosnia. Obviously,you've forgotten that the 9/11 attack,was an act of war against America,if it had been done to Russia,China or Israel..there'd be alot more than 100k civilians dead,but being America..we waged a surgical war,and attempted to avoid civilian casualties.

"Bush has pinned us down in a version of Vietnam on steroids, and spent $400 billion+ on a war that we were told would pay for itself."

Here's where you contradict yourself...you claim that we've stolen the oil money from Iraq,yet we're not using it yet,to help defray costs.

"There are over 1600 dead US service people in Iraq, over 18,000 wounded. Over 80 dead coalition forces. Over 3000 dead Iraqi police & other Iraqi uniformed forces, and unknown tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians."

I think that those causualty figures are low..in WW2,that many folks and soldiers,easily died in a single day of combat,we've done a good job,to keep em that low. The other error you make,is that you believe that all Iraqi 'civilians',were innocent victims,when in fact,there were many combatants using them for human shields and disguised to look like civilians..you're being naive.

"Iraq is a country whose infrastructure has been destroyed leaving them worse off than before our little adventure, all based on a war of neocon choice founded on deception."

It took years,to rebuild the infrastructure of countries devastated in WW2,Japan..is a great success story in that regard,as well as europe..remember the Marshall plan ?

You continue to rage:


"MORE ISSUES FOR YOU TO AVOID: we still have no idea where Bin Laden is, and our president has said numerous times..he is not concerned with Bin Laden the man responsible for Killing AMERICANS."

Bush is concerned about Osama,but Osama has pretty much made himself a secondary priority,because he's in hiding and cannot act,in an active way,on the front lines..like Zarqawi is doing..believe me,Osama will be captured or killed,there are whole teams of special forces working on that,even as we speak.

"He has butchered the Geneva Conventions And removed us from the international court further alienated our allies."

The Geneva conventions are for sldiers in uniform,not terrorits in civilian clothes,that don't swear allegiance to any country or military.

"He has taken a budget surplus and turned it into record-breaking deficit."

Once again,I'll remind you,that it was Klintoon,that devestated the militray,as is the wont of every democrapper prez..and America,was attacked on 9/11/01,we are at war..all budgets are secondary to our national defense needs.

"Bush hires fake news men for White House briefings,so he will only get asked "the right questions" he has paid secret pundits, and passes off propaganda disguised a news report."

That was simply a stupid thing to have done.

"Your wonderful president did not bother to show up for the worst natural disaster in West Indies history, but made an emergency flight to sign self-serving paperwork for a brain-dead woman. "

Bush is a busy man,and Indonesia,is full of the enemies of freedom..to err on the side of Life..is the only right thing to do. I have a feeling,that you're a big supporter of euthanasia and abortion.

"Your president has put us behind in so many areas of research and has sold our greatest technologies out to communist CHINA."

The 'research ' that you speak of,seeks to destroy Life and borders on the blasphemous..you are totally wrong about the technology transfer,that was all Klintoon's doing,and he should have been impeached for that.

"You conservatives claim to be such right upstanding citizens, yet you support a VP that makes money off Hallibuton and lies about it.You see nothing wrong with him telling his opponents to "go F*CK themselves"? And since when were Bush DUIs and draft dodging outstanding Christian virtues? "

Everyone,deserves to make as much money as they are willing to work for,and I did think that Cheney went too far,but I can't blame his exasperation..as it must be 10 times worse,in the Capitol,working with illogical,emotional and contrary,opponents. Bush has admitted and apologized for his dui's,and he served honorably..the National Guard,is a part of our military,too.

"Why did you fine Christian Republicans resort to lying about John Kerry (a decorated war hero) by painting him as a war criminal and a traitor during the 2004 campaign? Now that is really standing up for your fellow veteran countrymen."

We didn't lie..we told the truth..Kerry,threw his medals back at the White House and consorted with the North Koreans,just like Hanoi Jane..add his statements in '71 , before Congress..and you got yerself..a lying traitor. Kerry was in combat for one reason,to get his combat medals and service,so that he could qualify for Pentagon duty..he was on the career path,that many Lt's take,and Lt's like him..were sometimes fragged by their own troops.

You continue to lament:

"Why did the respectable White House respond to Joseph Wilson's criticism of the Iraq war by publicly exposing the identity of the undercover CIA agent who happened to be his wife? Endangering her life to further their agenda that seems more the actions of traitors than a Christains..."

I think that was done by democrappers,who really are the traitors..and work non-stop,in their efforts to smear Bush.

"Why are Army and Marine recruitment quotas down for the last 3 months? Aren't all you Republicans sending your children down to sign up? If you believe so much in this president you should take your kids down and sign them up The petroleum industry needs you too. Torog...you aren't too old to sign up as a contractor. ....."

Because of the MSM's portrayal of the war,painting it as a meat-grinder and quagmire,sadly,leftist propaganda,is working to some extent,in regards to destroying the will and resolve,of Americans to fight the enemies of Freedom. Also,there really are,just a few good men/women left,the rest are emasculated by feminazi's,such as yourself..other than your son,have you ever met a real man before ? Do you even know what one is..being surrounded by metrosexuals and emasculated males and all..? I have tried to git my daughter to sign up,but she doesn't want to ..especially after hearing nothing but bad news all the time,from the Left..it's still a work in progress.

As for being a 'contractor',a contractor in the oil patch,is usually someone who provides support services..like roustabouts or location building..all of which,require substantial capitol that I don't have and would not qualify for. I would love to git back in the oil patch,they just recently raised floor-hand wages to 19$ an hour ! But there's alot of things that I want to do,but can't..because I'm 100% disabled.


"Just what has your president done for you Torog..lets stay on point."

Bush has restored my confidence in regards to having a president in the White House,that ain't gittin blow-jobs in the Oval Office,or while on the phone with his field commanders. He's put national security first,as is the primary duty of any president,but when it comes to democrappers..their first priority is social engineering..which should be last on the list of priorities. He's brought Christian agenda's to the forefront,and he's waging an offensive war against terrorists and the States that support them..rather than seeking appeasement and surrender,as the democrappers desire. That's just a short list. I voted for Bush,in 2000,because I knew that he would reverse what Klintoon had done,which was weaken the military and destroy morale,and I wanted a decent man in the White House..not a lying,cheating traitor,like Klintoon.

Have a good one....

[Torog]

And while we are at it Torog, lets talk about that homophobic streak you have....

Ever wonder why so many Christian Conservatives turn out to be gay....

They use their religious beliefs to try and stifle their urges...

You said you were in the navy didn't you Torog?

My it must be lonely out there on that big ship full of men....

Me thinks you doth protest too much...Torog

You have a good day.

Cat
Howdy Blue Cat,

My religious belief,is that homosexuality,is a sin..that ain't got nothing to do with fear..do you believe that muslims are homophobic,because homosexuality is banned,out-lawed and punished severely ? I doubt it..because in your eye's,muslims can do no wrong,and are in fact-heroic for standing up to America.

I have never known any conservative Christians that were gay or even acted gay. I don't need to stifle any urges with religious beliefs or otherwise,because I'm not a slave to my desires and urges,like gays and liberals are.

Yup...I was in the Navy,and I even tried out for the SEAL's,but my eyesight was too poor to qualify,and I didn't meet any gay sailors either..but my company and our sister company,did run off all the gays hanging around the strip by the base.

I find that your charges of me being homophobic,a pitiful and childish tactic..you can stomp yer feet and throw a hissy fit all you want..but I'm sure that you will have no peace of mind,as long as the adults are in charge,in the White House,thank God.

Have a good one....

[hippieshaven]

I must agree with the sad decline of our leadership. I don't believe the government adhears to the nation's voice. Politicians lead themselves to victory and leave the nation's voice unheard. Organized religion dominiates majority of political decisions. In my opinion, the voice of the church outrules the voice of the nation. This is America and herein resides many religions. Religious beliefs are every individual's preception or interpretation of the literature they choose to read. Whether that literature is the Bible, Koran, Kabalah, or Yoga, it's still what we glean from the lietature and interpret ourselves. In sumation, each of us are unique in our beliefs and thoughts. We should be allotted the freedom to remain unique. I enjoy this post and appreciate the time taken to express itself boldly.

[Marlboroman]

Howdy Blue Cat,

My religious belief,is that homosexuality,is a sin..that ain't got nothing to do with fear..do you believe that muslims are homophobic,because homosexuality is banned,out-lawed and punished severely ? I doubt it..because in your eye's,muslims can do no wrong,and are in fact-heroic for standing up to America.

I have never known any conservative Christians that were gay or even acted gay. I don't need to stifle any urges with religious beliefs or otherwise,because I'm not a slave to my desires and urges,like gays and liberals are.

Yup...I was in the Navy,and I even tried out for the SEAL's,but my eyesight was too poor to qualify,and I didn't meet any gay sailors either..but my company and our sister company,did run off all the gays hanging around the strip by the base.

I find that your charges of me being homophobic,a pitiful and childish tactic..you can stomp yer feet and throw a hissy fit all you want..but I'm sure that you will have no peace of mind,as long as the adults are in charge,in the White House,thank God.

Have a good one....


Did you go to Church today Torog?

Did you pray for the homos to rot in hell?

Or perhaps you prayed in suport of ours troops?

Or that Jesus Christ will come and judge the wicked?

With all the different views in this country do you really think that not even a single Homosexual Christian Conservative exists?

BTW Conservative is a political term and being a Homosexual does not exclude you from haveing conservative ideals.

Being Homosexual does not exclude you from haveing Christian ideals either, last time I check the only requirtement to being a christian is to beleive in him.

With every positive prayer you are told to mimic in mass, it carries with it the opposite to that message.

Go ahead, keep washing that brain out of your head.

Your relationship with god is yours and yours along, religion is a word tagged to give a face to an organization that creates man made rules in order to make you feel fear from going to "hell".

You are full of anger, and you placate it by hateing someone else.

If they didnt tell you to hate Homo's you would hate someone else. But of course you need that endorsement from the church first.

Cant go hateing on your own free will.

Peace.

[Torog]

Did you go to Church today Torog?

Did you pray for the homos to rot in hell?

Or perhaps you prayed in suport of ours troops?

Or that Jesus Christ will come and judge the wicked?

With all the different views in this country do you really think that not even a single Homosexual Christian Conservative exists?

BTW Conservative is a political term and being a Homosexual does not exclude you from haveing conservative ideals.

Being Homosexual does not exclude you from haveing Christian ideals either, last time I check the only requirtement to being a christian is to beleive in him.

With every positive prayer you are told to mimic in mass, it carries with it the opposite to that message.

Go ahead, keep washing that brain out of your head.

Your relationship with god is yours and yours along, religion is a word tagged to give a face to an organization that creates man made rules in order to make you feel fear from going to "hell".

You are full of anger, and you placate it by hateing someone else.

If they didnt tell you to hate Homo's you would hate someone else. But of course you need that endorsement from the church first.

Cant go hateing on your own free will.

Peace.
Howdy Marlboroman,

You ask: " Did you go to Church today ?"

Yup..I hewed a log..and God and His Son,Jesus Christ..was there...Praises be to God..the Kingdom of Heaven..is within my heart.

I never pray for God to hurt anyone,I only ask that He bring the wicked to justice..and help those in need,who need His help.

I always pray in support of our troops and I pray that God gives Bush the wisdom to lead them well and that Good will triumph over Evil.

My anger,if any,is directed towards the sin,not the sinner. I don't reckon,that it's possible for you to understand that concept,and I don't understand why not,because you claim to be much more intelligent than me and all the folks in fly-over country,that your anger is directed towards.

I don't recieve direction,instruction or guidance..on who is on the daily 'hate' list..that's your fabrication. I find,that it is you and your ilk,that is full of anger,and that you recieve frequent updates on whom to hate,from your liberal,elitist, propaganda masters.

Do you and Blue Cat,go to the Democratic Underground website,and git yer daily list of whom to hate..complete with talking points,everyday ? Every time you visit the DU site,yer washin out yer brain..can't you see that ?

Blue Cat,is so filled with snobbery and hate,she's retreated from debate with me..like much of the Left,she's full of hate and cowardice,and is a classic example of the harm that liberal teachers like her,do to their students. Thank God,she didn't do what alot of liberals do,and abort her son..because the world would have one less freedom fighter in it..I wonder what the other 40 million murdered children,would have done for the world..?

Have a good one....

[nicholasstanko]

Howdy Marlboroman,

You ask: " Did you go to Church today ?"

Yup..I hewed a log..and God and His Son,Jesus Christ..was there...Praises be to God..the Kingdom of Heaven..is within my heart.

I never pray for God to hurt anyone,I only ask that He bring the wicked to justice..and help those in need,who need His help.

I always pray in support of our troops and I pray that God gives Bush the wisdom to lead them well and that Good will triumph over Evil.

My anger,if any,is directed towards the sin,not the sinner. I don't reckon,that it's possible for you to understand that concept,and I don't understand why not,because you claim to be much more intelligent than me and all the folks in fly-over country,that your anger is directed towards.

I don't recieve direction,instruction or guidance..on who is on the daily 'hate' list..that's your fabrication. I find,that it is you and your ilk,that is full of anger,and that you recieve frequent updates on whom to hate,from your liberal,elitist, propaganda masters.

Do you and Blue Cat,go to the Democratic Underground website,and git yer daily list of whom to hate..complete with talking points,everyday ? Every time you visit the DU site,yer washin out yer brain..can't you see that ?

Blue Cat,is so filled with snobbery and hate,she's retreated from debate with me..like much of the Left,she's full of hate and cowardice,and is a classic example of the harm that liberal teachers like her,do to their students. Thank God,she didn't do what alot of liberals do,and abort her son..because the world would have one less freedom fighter in it..I wonder what the other 40 million murdered children,would have done for the world..?

Have a good one....


Howdy Torog,

You speak so much of cowwardice hate and snobbery but yet every post you proudly display your hatefult and spiteful anti-democrat propaganda. An old man in a wheelchair shamefully trying to make up for "evil" and anti-american sentiment, your emasculating of john kerry in his campaign to withdraw troops from iraq (yeh he's a real pussy for not screaming "march" huh torog?, a picture of more propaganda with the finger dipped in ink bullshit nice "election" that's a sham as far as anyone can see and your racist poster of whoopi in the bathtub like the republican party is so fuckin pure and innocent. and you call US snobs? you and your false christian movement rallying followers and damning them to hell if they dont do otherwise.

[amsterdam]

hahaha.

trying to undermine the election now huh?too funny.

i bet the 8 and half million iraqis disagree with you.i bet you wouldnt vote here in a hard rain.but thats good.

you should go to the middle east instead of running your mouth.i know torog lived there.??

[nicholasstanko]

shutup amsterdam. you never make any good points

[Torog]

Howdy Torog,

You speak so much of cowwardice hate and snobbery but yet every post you proudly display your hatefult and spiteful anti-democrat propaganda. An old man in a wheelchair shamefully trying to make up for "evil" and anti-american sentiment, your emasculating of john kerry in his campaign to withdraw troops from iraq (yeh he's a real pussy for not screaming "march" huh torog?, a picture of more propaganda with the finger dipped in ink bullshit nice "election" that's a sham as far as anyone can see and your racist poster of whoopi in the bathtub like the republican party is so f*ckin pure and innocent. and you call US snobs? you and your false christian movement rallying followers and damning them to hell if they dont do otherwise.
Howdy nicholas,

First off..let's git this straight...the old man in the wheelchair ain't trying to make up for any evil,except that of the by-standers,who are ungrateful for their hard-fought,hard-won freedoms,that they take for granted. The only ones who should be ashamed,are the idiots sittin on the curb..I salute my fellow veteran,for standing for the Colors,even though he's wheel-chair bound.

Secondly,I rarely ever tell anyone that they are going to Hell and be damned..when I do,it's because of their own actions,not because of their beliefs or lack thereof. Christians in America,are rallying because they finally realize,that we are deep into a Culture War...and the very heart and ideals that made America the greatest country in the world ever,are in serious danger from secular humanists,liberal elitists and amoral relativists..America,is in danger of falling from Grace.

Have a good one....

[F L E S H]

People, people... Every month I see a new batch of young whipper-snappers trying to make Torog change his views.. I've been there myself, and realized there is absolutely no point. Just smile and nod :D Just kidding... But Torog's got a hard head, and he's set in his ways!

All I know is that people who don't understand the world's contempt and resentment towards the US ( I refuse to say America because the US does not have the monopoly on 'America'... There's Canada and Mexico, not to mention the whole of South America) need only to look at the Michael Jackson trial. First of all ,it's fornt page news for some strange reason. Second, the paedophile freak got off not guilty on all counts. These are symptoms of a severely diseased country and culture.

[amsterdam]

all that from a canadian whos country is becoming more like us every year.lol.

what happened to the "universal" health care in Quebec?maybe now you guys wont be coming to America to get treatment for disese's?lol.

[F L E S H]

all that from a canadian whos country is becoming more like us every year.lol.

what happened to the "universal" health care in Quebec?maybe now you guys wont be coming to America to get treatment for disese's?lol.
The problem is not the system, it's the doctors whgo get paid crap and have no motivation to work well and fast.

Here's a little story: Nearly 2 years ago I got Hodgkin's disease, a kind of cancer. I went to see my doctor, one whos' been with my family for years. He got me every test within weeks of each other, including various x-rays, ct scans, gallium scans, and even surgery. maybe two months later, I started chemotherapy. Now I'm all good, and I didn't pay a cent for anything.

Universal health care sucks. :rolleyes:

amsterdam, you have no clue what you're talking about.

[F L E S H]

BEsides, what the fuck does the government of my country have anything to do with me? I didn't vote for those assholes, and I think Paul Martin is a huge pussy, and Jean Charest (PM of Quebec) is an even bigger asshole.

What do they have to do with me??

[amsterdam]

then why do soooooooooooo many people waiting on lists to receive treatment come to america where they get it faster. :confused:

i say good for quebec.smart people up there.

[amsterdam]

they dont have anything to do with you,i just think the people are seeing the light.

i will quote your supreme court.

"in the case of certain surgical procedures,the delays that are the necessary result of waiting lists increase the patients risk of mortality or the risk that his or her injuries will become irreparable," justice marie deschamps wrote for the majority."many patients on non-urgent waiting lists are in pain and cannot fully enjoy any real quality of life.the right to life and to personal inviolability is therefore affected by the waiting lines."

[amsterdam]

i dont want a big govt health care system that kills people and causes suffering.

this was also a victory for the health care debate in this country.

[nicholasstanko]

then why do soooooooooooo many people waiting on lists to receive treatment come to america where they get it faster. :confused:

i say good for quebec.smart people up there.

Right amsterdam. I forgot how you conveniently forgot that alot of canadians who go to the U.S. do so because they want faster treatment not better treatment. The people who move down south do so because they've got big piggy banks and know how quickly americans move when large sums of money are involved. While you sit there and laugh at how rich canadians seek help from america why dont you pull up some files to find out how many poor americans go to canada.

[F L E S H]

Big deal, Canadians go south for faster health care, how about the millions of Americans who go north for cheaper drugs?

[amsterdam]

im not saying we are any better,but the america bashing that goes on up there falls on deaf ears here.

heard you guys busted up an al queda ring in Ottawa.HEADS UP!!

[BlueCat]

OK Torog, don't flatter yourself by saying you ran me off... Grow up.
I have other priorities than to argue with some slack jawed half wit with no grasp on reality. I have health issues and I have been in NY. Unlike you I don't just run my mouth I participate in my community. You with your 100% disability that does not seem to stop you from sitting hours on end in front of a computer. You could work...instead of waiting by the mailbox for that SSI check....
You call me names like feminazi and attack my husbands masculinity without even knowing him in an attempt to avoid issues once again....
why is it when you are hit with the facts all you can say is Clinton blow job Clinton blow job...maybe you are just frustrated because your hypocritical religion prevents you from enjoying one :eek:

Torog says...
With the exception of a few countries,the UN is almost entirely anti-Israel and anti-US,Syria headed the board on human rights,of course they will issue sanctions against Israel. Sadly,there are Jews who've bought into the propaganda of the muslim jihadists,and side with the jihadists in the belief that http://www.phrusa.org/healthrights/phr_israel.htmlthey are wrong and will eventually have their throat's slit,by the very muslims they side with. The UN,is worthless,corrupt and run by the enemies of Freedom..it should be moved to Paris or Geneva.


It makes no sense to say the UN is bad but the US alone is so much better...because the US has huge amounts of leverage and power within the UN. So the UN isn't perfect but that is because one of its major players, the US, is not perfect either. So stop pretending that the UN is some political body that the US doesn't influence at all.....
Why is it you support your president when it comes to him killing people but you don't support his own words when it comes to saving them? Bush agrees that Israel has committed human rights violations....
I guess all those human right charges about Israel are propaganda as well? It seems your president is spreading Palestinian propaganda then when he made these statements
Bush repeated a call on Israel to halt expansion of settlements in keeping with a US-backed "road map" peace plan envisaging a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza...

Pointing out human rights violations does not side us with terrorist...but ignoring the human rights violation because your bible says to obey Israel is both cultish, naive, and mimics the exact stance the ratical muslims are taking. By your own definition Torog you are a terrorist...

As for Israel..... There is no Biblical basis to assert that the modern nation of Israel has anything to do with Biblical prophecy.
1. It is a twentieth century geo-political organization.
2. The name of "Israel" was selected with deliberate intention of conveying connection with legacy of ancient Israel.
3. Modern Israel is not the Biblical Israel and has no claim to any promises or rights of Biblical Israel.
and your bible also says....Only the spiritual nation of Israel is eternal - I Peter. 2:9

Washington state college student activist killed by Israeli soldiers
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=14661
Weekly Report on Israeli Human Rights Violations
http://www.world-crisis.com/news/1090_0_1_0_M/

Israel's nuclear warheads are pointed at Baghdad and major cities in the Middle East..
the U.S. and Europe are condemning Iraq, Iran and Syria for developing weapons of mass destruction, while simultaneously protecting and enabling the principal culprit, ISRAEL....

Torog says:
don't know where you are getting your information about military spending. Currently, we are spending almost as much as we did at the peak of the cold war.
If the spending is as you say and equivalent to the cold war days I'll ask you again, 6 years as commander in chief and his army is woefully under protected, as far as personal armor and vehicle armor and we are losing in Iraq. WHY?
undefinedBecause: Spending on our military is great but not if it never gets to the battlefield. The money is being pocketed by your rich politicians that don't give a damn about the soldiers.undefined

Torog says:
Have I ever said that I hate mexicans ? No..I haven't ,but I do despise those mexicans who are criminals and come to America to prey on law-abiding citizens.

Well what about the white people that are born here and pray on law abiding citizens?
Do you not see by simply using a particular race...you are being racist? I challenge you to show your MEXICAN friends your posts and ask them if they see it as racist. Go ahead ask them...You won't do it.[COLOR=DarkRed]

Torog says:
Thanx to the leadership of President Bush,and the hard work of our soldiers,we've liberated 2 countries from brutal dictatorships and formed democratic goverments in the process of elections and legislation..well over 50 million folks....

[COLOR=Navy]it's amazing how easily a complete disaster can be rationalized with simplistic thinking and apples-to-oranges comparisons.
As if the US agenda is attempting to accomplish such things as "liberating nations," How can you honestly say that Bush has "liberated" these countries. we stopped short in Afghanistan. Mr. Bush got sidetracked by another project. ( taking down the leader of the country that was "GONNA KILL MY DADDY') .....He is yet to complete a job in Afghanistan much of the country's regions are still controlled by warlords and people live in fear of constant attacks by Taliban rebels, . Al-Sharq al-Awsat/ AFP reports that the governing council of Karbala province has fired the police chief of the holy city of Karbala for "misusing his office." Meanwhile, the top money-making venture in Afghanistan is the opium trade, which has skyrocketed since we've "liberated" them.
And, let's talk about Iraq. Is it liberated? It's constantly on the verge of civil war. U.S. Army generals admitted that the occupation is going badly, with no end in sight. and as the Bush administration gives the leadership in occupied Iraq a face lift, Iraqi civilians are preparing to sue Gen. Tommy Franks and other U.S. military officials for war crimes in Iraq. [COLOR=Navy]

[COLOR=DarkRed]The truth is that the GOP is a front... they're just cynical window-dressing, sound-bytes designed to rationalize and sell a series of policies which are actually geared towards lining the pockets of corporate cronies, extending US imperialism, marginalizing women, minorities and homosexuals, and tearing down the great Public programs which have made good on the promise of "a land of opportunity" for millions..

Torog said: Bush is restoring the military,after 8 years under a CnC,that could not be trusted,and enjoyed recieving blow-jobs,while he talked to the field commanders in Bosnia.

First we helped the UN peacekeepers that were already in Bosnia.
Second How many American soldiers died in Bosnia? I bet you don't even know.
I will tell you 2.
Torog said Obviously,you've forgotten that the 9/11 attack,was an act of war against America,if it had been done to Russia,China or Israel..there'd be alot more than 100k civilians dead,but being America..we waged a surgical war,and attempted to avoid civilian casualties.

NO I have not forgotten 9/11 but it seems you president has. Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 Bin Laden on the other hand has confessed to killing americans what does you commander say to that?....

From a March 13, 2002, press conference:
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

BUSH: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.

Torog: Here's where you contradict yourself...you claim that we've stolen the oil money from Iraq,yet we're not using it yet,to help defray costs.

No I don't contradict myself....We have stolen the oil and the proceeds are going into the pockets of US investors all connected in some way to the white house. We as a nation will never see a penny.[COLOR=Navy]undefined

Torog: Everyone,deserves to make as much money as they are willing to work for ...

coming from you this is really laughable HAHAHAHA maybe you should look at those top companies making (stealing) money.... see companies below...

Lockheed Martin Lockheed Martin The world's #1 military contractor, responsible for the U-2 and SR-71 spy planes, F-16, F/A-22 fighter jet, and Javelin missiles. They've also made millions through insider trading, falsifying accounts, and bribing officials.

http://www.johnmulkins.com/corporatehallofshame.htm

Northrop Grumman paid $111.2 million to settle a suit alleging their subsidiary, TRW, overcharged the US government space projects in the 1990s. But paying out money is not hard for the company. Northrop Grummanâ??s subsidiary Logicon,
an executive at Logicon was also investigated by the SEC for aiding and abetting securities fraud in a separate case. And in 1972 Northrop was caught bribing the head of the Saudi air force and a Saudi prince to buy F-5 military aircraft.
At least seven former officials, consultants, or shareholders of Northrop Grumman now hold posts in the Bush administration, ensuring that the companyâ??s interests are not overlooked for lucrative contracts in the â??war on terrorismâ?�, including Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, Vice-Presidential Chief of Staff I. Lewis Libby, Pentagon Comptroller Dov Zakheim, and Sean Oâ??Keefe, director of NASA.

Northrop Grummanâ??s subsidiary, Vinnell Corporation
They landed a $48 million contract with the US occupational authority to train the Iraqi National Army, but have botched the job so badly that the Jordanian Army has recently been brought in to take over the job.
After working with Chinese Nationalist Chiang Kai-shek to back US anti-communist efforts against Mao Zedong, the company became the major contractor for US military operations in Okinawa.
Vinnell has a five-year contract with the House of Saud worth $831 million, which is bankrolled by the Saudis but run by the US Army Materiel Command.

General Dynamics they were accused of having paid former South Korean president Roh Tae Woo $100 million in a bid to get the country to purchase 120 F-16 fighter jets in 1991

Everyone of these crooked companies are run by former Bush white House cronies...
Can you bullshit that one away TOROG?

Torog continues:
I think that those causualty figures are low.....in WW2,that many folks and soldiers,easily died in a single day of combat,we've done a good job,to keep em that low
the Iraq war has not yet giving us the kind of horrific death toll we saw in WW2 SO? That isnâ??t the point. The point is that the war is wrong, we were lied too and it is a horrible injustice for our soldiers having pledged their lives to protect their country from harm, to be lied too and to ask them to give their lives in pursuit of a very different Agenda than the one presented to them... a much less noble, goal: Now they are protecting politicians from the embarrassment of admitting that their policies and their leaders have failed.

Torog: The Geneva conventions are for sldiers in uniform,not terrorits in civilian clothes,that don't swear allegiance to any country or military. Try reading the articles before you use them in debate.
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htmTorog:
Bush is a busy man,and Indonesia,is full of the enemies of freedom..to err on the side of Life..is the only right thing to do. I have a feeling,that you're a big supporter of euthanasia and abortion.
Oh yes he is busy...FISHING... he has taken more than 500 days of vacation. He has logged more vacation days than ANY president in history.Oh yes you "err" on the side of life alright. You want to bring lots of babies in to the world to fight your battles but you don't give a shit as to how they are going to be fed and cared for. I guess killing children in Iraq is OK too?
Torog states:
The 'research ' that you speak of,seeks to destroy Life and borders on the blasphemous..

OK Torog there are 400,000 frozen embryos...they are getting older by the minute. They will soon be too old for anyone to use. Are you gonna line up 400,000 prospective parents? When the parents don't materialize are you going to throw the embryos away? You would rather throw them in the trash than use them to fight disease? Stem cell research is going to continue in Great Britain, and China. So if one of those rich leaders of yours needs a cure he can just fly to another country and get it. I bet it won't be as blasphemous then.
And then there is the research into GLOBAL WARMING... how is that blasphemous? Can you explain Bush hiding the facts once again? http://webexhibits.org/bush/5.html

Torog : you are totally wrong about the technology transfer,that was all Klintoon's doing,and he should have been impeached for that.

NO I am not wrong....you call me wrong but you can't back up anything you say...I can back up the fact that the Republicans have sold out their country
April 8, 1986 Reagan Administration informs US Congress of intent to sell PRC (Peopleâ??s Republic of China) $550 million in aviation electronics, in largest military sale to Beijing since 1972.

July 23 1985 President Ronald Reagan meets at White House with Chinese President Li Xiannian, announces signing of pact allowing sale of American nuclear reactors and nonmilitary technology to China

Oct 13-18, 1985 Vice President George Bush visits China, announces US agreement to speed export of some high-technology products to China

It is an incestuous nuclear arms and drug trafficking relationship that the Bush family and the CIA have had with China and Pakistan while at the same time knowing these countries back terrorists.

Under present day Bush

Our top communications technologies like Nortel Networks Corp (top DOD contractor....said it has agreed to form a new company with China Putian Corp that is based in CHINA....How are we safer, today now that our DOD communications company is based out of communist China?

Cisco has also gone to China... as has Lucent....

With millions out of work and U.S. wages stagnating, the Bush Administration has pushed economic policies that are making the situation worse. From touting offshore outsourcing, to encouraging companies to moving jobs to China, the White House has systematically put the interests of working families behind the interests of its largest corporate benefactors.

"Bush Supports Shift of U.S. Jobs Overseas" http://www.iht.com/


Torog: Bush has admitted and apologized for his dui's,and he served honorably..the National Guard,is a part of our military,too.

Bush did not serve honorably...he cheated by using his daddy influence to get on the pilots list of the national guard and he did not even serve his time promised.


Why don't you ever dispute the facts Torog...

FACT Bush Government Most Corrupt In US History

FACT The National Institute for Health is rampant with sexual harassment, vacations charged to the government, pay-offs from US Drug companies

FACT The FDA is allowing death dealing drugs to be sold by US Drug manufacturers because over half the FDA drug review board is made up of doctors on the active payroll of drug companies

FACT Bush has CUT the budget for the Center for Disease Control to the point that no field inspections of hazardous disease outbreaks is possible...WOW I feel safer already!

FACT The EPA has not enforced one existing pollution rule and many are simply ignored as Mercury and sulfuric acid levels rise to toxic levels...Texas yesterday had a red alert for THE AIR. You can't even run your AC because the emissions are so high!
Texas has a growing dead zone in the gulf of Mexico that nothing lives in and dead sea turtles have been washing up on to its beaches.
Texas rates dead last when it comes to protecting the environment.
We can only hope that thinking republicans finally see the folly and danger of the Bush agenda and begin to dismantle the shackles of extreme Christianity, Greedy Laissez Faire business and a swollen police-state government that now seeks to dominate everyday life in America. One only has to look at your photo to see you are the classic example of stereotypical republican.....a white racist Christian with a closed minded simplistic hayseed agenda.

Cat

[BlueCat]

Bluecat, much love to you I read this over at least four times and it's really the best post ive read since i started. *Raises a spliff to bluecat* I loved how you referenced how torog is a latent homosexual. YOU ARE THE BEST KITTY KAT!

Ahhh Nic....thanks...

Sorry I was gone for so long, I was out of town...looks like you guys kept on fighting our battle.
THANKS to Marboroman too...

Great post hippie...I agree

For anyone interested: Members of the impeachment movement from all over the country will be marching together as a massive contingent in the huge September 24 antiwar demonstration in Washington, D.C., with coordinated actions in San Francisco and Los Angeles...

[nomadherbman]

yes people we need to make a change and we have the numbers too does it not say that if the government does not suport the people we have the right to over thorugh it lets stop sitting behind are computers and complaining this is the time to ACT!!!!!!
I SAY WE FLOOD THE STEETS OF WASHIGTON not water but US THE AMERICAN PEOPLE im tried of working pay check to paycheck my father has been out of work in the IT feild for 2 years now because these corporate fat cats want to outsource for cheap laborer while they get 75 million dollar bonuses

[nomadherbman]

blue cat would you be so kind as to extend info on the march

[BlueCat]

A diverse group of antiwar, civil rights, religious and community leaders held a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC to announce plans for the September 24, 2005, Mass March in Washington DC

Speakers at the press conference included Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, attorney and co-founder, Partnership for Civil Justice; Mahdi Bray, Ex ecutive Director, Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation; Rev. Gra ylan Hagler, Senior Minister, Plymouth Congregational Church; Brian Be cker, National Coordinator, A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition; Vanessa Dixon, DC Healthcare Coalition; Macrina Cardenas, Mexico Solidarity Network;&nbs p;Chuck Kaufman, Nicaragua Network; and Sarah Sloan, National Staff Coordin ator, A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition. Messages of support were sent from Ramse y Clark, former U.S. attorney general; Michael Berg, father of Nichola s Berg; Ben Dupuy, General Secretary, National Popular Party of Haiti (PPN);

From the Associated Press

Anti-War Coalition Planning Major Protests

June 1, 2005

By Siobhan McDonough, Ass ociated Press Writer

Anti-war activists upset by the continuing violence in Iraq are planning demonstrations in Washingto n, Los Angeles and San Francisco this fall to urge the administration to br ing U.S. troops home.

Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER) has seen turnout in its demonstrations wane as the war drags on. The group hopes a long lead-up to the Sept. 24 protests will generate more interest.

Brian Becker is national coordinator of the Washington-based coalition, which has more than 500 anti -war groups as members. He said the public is growing weary of the war.


Order the DVD today to show you how to organize a meeting in a classroom, at a house party, or on public access television. To place your order, email [email protected] with "Sept. 24 DVD" as your subject line. Please include your name, address, phone number and the number of DVDs you would like in the message. You can also place your order by calling 202-544-3389.

DVDs are free....

Or just join a group...United for Peace with Justice is the largest one...
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?list=type&type=91

Cat

[nicholasstanko]

yeh it's time for change. we are on the march...

[pisshead]

sounds like a group of terrorists to me...quite possibly working directly with al-qaeda.

[BlueCat]

LMAO...

[nicholasstanko]

lol

[amsterdam]

dont bust up to many starbucks kids!!

[BlueCat]

dont bust up to many starbucks kids!!

Dam Dam don't be a Dum Dum... No one has "busted up" a starbucks....
Learn to read....I said we hung out in front off Starbucks during WTO...and I said there were a lot of Plants (police planted trouble makers ) breaking things and pushing people so that they could get a riot going and arrest everyone. Why do you twist things from other posts?
Cat

[amsterdam]

no i know,but thats how seriously people take them.what a great way to get people to listen?

im sure half those people dont even know what they are protesting to begin with.

[amsterdam]

p.s. when you attack the police and throw rocks and shit at them,your gonna get that ass whooped,no questions asked.but then again it makes for great video.

[amsterdam]

i view them the same as enviro-whackos!clueless,solutionless.

watch the Penn and Teller episode where they get 1500 enviro-nuts to sign a petition against oxygen.very unimpressive people.

[BlueCat]

You are such a sad person...just because you don't understand WTO or Nafta protests...you assume the people there don't either....

[amsterdam]

MOST DONT have a clue why they are there.very unorganized.

im sure all those 16 year old kids have great insight into nafta and the WTO.keep thinking that.the interviews with those people were beamed around the world via the news during the protests.some of them when asked didnt even know what NAFTA stood for.it was so funny.

what are you like 50 years old?i would pay money to see you out there.americas funniest home videos here i come.

besides,why are all those people protesting white suburbia hippies?and they're protest methods are terrible.do you think busting up stores and burning flags with cut up t-shirts on your head makes people listen or care about what you are talking about(as if many of the protesters even know) because it dosent.just makes you look childish and in need of a good tazer blast.

jon stewart even let them have it.keep up the good work kids.

[amsterdam]

Dam Dam don't be a Dum Dum... No one has "busted up" a starbucks....
Learn to read....I said we hung out in front off Starbucks during WTO...and I said there were a lot of Plants (police planted trouble makers ) breaking things and pushing people so that they could get a riot going and arrest everyone. Why do you twist things from other posts?
Cat


i thought i was on your ignore list?

now be gone.

[BlueCat]

You are deluded...you think just because as a teen you were an airhead so all teens must be airheads...that is not true. There are a lot of smart young people out there that are in touch with the world maybe you should start paying attention. You are wrong about those protest ....they are very organised. You were not there were you?...you have just watched some edited movie...so stop talking when you don't know what you are talking about.

[amsterdam]

in touch with the world??

those people have seen as much of the world as you have.some people there were protesting the war,some for abortion rights,the enviroment.the list of complaints goes on and on and on.but hey,thats your right to protest.good for you.be proud of that.dosent bother me at all.i dont argue that they dont have any valid views because they do.they just suck at getting a clean point across.

[Torog]

Howdy Blue Cat,

Well daggum,you ranted on so long,that I couldn't bear to reply with a quote,y'all liberals are sure full of alot of hot air !

I'm sorry to hear that you're having health problems,I hope they git better..I should say a prayer for ya. Yup,I wold love to work again,but it seems that there are no folks willing to take the chance,that my back may git re-injured.

The Bible does not say that we must obey Israel,it says that those who are against her,will fall. In regards to Israel being a "20th century geo-political " fabrication,I find that you are simply repeating arab-muslim propaganda,designed to invalidate Israel's State-hood. In regards to human right's violations,all countries are guilty of some form of human rights violations,and Israel did not start this mess,they were immediately attacked after the declaration of Israeli State-hood,was made official.

As for Israel targetting Baghdad with nukes,you're wrong about that,I'm sure that they have reset the target coordinates already,they should reset them for Paris,as France has been a long-time supplier of war materials to Israel's enemies. I tell you what,America is the first line of defense ,against the enemies of Freedom..you best hope that we don't fall,because the rest of the Free World,would quickly fall,against the Russians,Chinese and the muslim horde..France would surrender immediately,to whom ever demands it.

Daggum,the rest of your reply,is so dang long-winded,that I'm just gonna skip to the end,where you say this :" One only has to look at your photo to see you are the classic example of stereotypical republican.....a white racist Christian with a closed minded simplistic hayseed agenda. "

Well..this here " white racist Christian with a closed minded simplistic hayseed agenda.. " has helped vote Bush in twice and kept that nut-case Gore out and the lying,traitorous Kerry,from gittin in the White House(Praise the Lord !),so while you may think I'm just a simplistic hayseed,us simplistic hayseeds,had enuff sense to go to the polls and keep the nut-case liberals out. We also understand,that America is in the grip of a culture war,which we aim to win..against the likes of you. Clearly,you are a smug,snobby,arrogant,bigotted,probably racist and anti-semetic,amoral relativistic liberal..who would rather surrender to the terrorists..than fight them. You go right on ahead,and keep misunderestimatin us slack-jawed hayseeds..and see where it gits ya.

Have a good one ....

[BlueCat]

Once again texas shit kicker you post your bullshit with nothing to back it up...you are a joke and a waste of time....glad you voted that asshole in maybe with his patriot act he will catch you in a disability fraud....don't bother replying I'm through wasting my time.....

[nicholasstanko]

Howdy Blue Cat,

Well daggum,you ranted on so long,that I couldn't bear to reply with a quote,y'all liberals are sure full of alot of hot air !

I'm sorry to hear that you're having health problems,I hope they git better..I should say a prayer for ya. Yup,I wold love to work again,but it seems that there are no folks willing to take the chance,that my back may git re-injured.

The Bible does not say that we must obey Israel,it says that those who are against her,will fall. In regards to Israel being a "20th century geo-political " fabrication,I find that you are simply repeating arab-muslim propaganda,designed to invalidate Israel's State-hood. In regards to human right's violations,all countries are guilty of some form of human rights violations,and Israel did not start this mess,they were immediately attacked after the declaration of Israeli State-hood,was made official.

As for Israel targetting Baghdad with nukes,you're wrong about that,I'm sure that they have reset the target coordinates already,they should reset them for Paris,as France has been a long-time supplier of war materials to Israel's enemies. I tell you what,America is the first line of defense ,against the enemies of Freedom..you best hope that we don't fall,because the rest of the Free World,would quickly fall,against the Russians,Chinese and the muslim horde..France would surrender immediately,to whom ever demands it.

Daggum,the rest of your reply,is so dang long-winded,that I'm just gonna skip to the end,where you say this :" One only has to look at your photo to see you are the classic example of stereotypical republican.....a white racist Christian with a closed minded simplistic hayseed agenda. "

Well..this here " white racist Christian with a closed minded simplistic hayseed agenda.. " has helped vote Bush in twice and kept that nut-case Gore out and the lying,traitorous Kerry,from gittin in the White House(Praise the Lord !),so while you may think I'm just a simplistic hayseed,us simplistic hayseeds,had enuff sense to go to the polls and keep the nut-case liberals out. We also understand,that America is in the grip of a culture war,which we aim to win..against the likes of you. Clearly,you are a smug,snobby,arrogant,bigotted,probably racist and anti-semetic,amoral relativistic liberal..who would rather surrender to the terrorists..than fight them. You go right on ahead,and keep misunderestimatin us slack-jawed hayseeds..and see where it gits ya.

Have a good one ....

How can blueCat be bigotted. Torog, YOURE the one talking about cowardly mexicans. And surrender to what terrorists? Why would we have to surrender if we didnt start the war in the first place. You sit there and talk about john kerry being a liar. You're fucking crazy if you think Bush has been the centrepiece for truth in his presidency. We have whole shows dedicated to exposing lie after lie. I cant even watch the news anymore or take it seriously because they always present a government story full of holes. After that I watch the Daily Show for what really happened. You're full of shit torog if you think some terrorists are all to blame for this mess. I wouldve loved to see a debate between you two forty years ago in 'nam. Alot of soldiers would have been saved if more people with a "liberal" mindset decided to "surrender" to the viet cong instead of fighting with wounded pride.

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MOST DONT have a clue why they are there.very unorganized.

im sure all those 16 year old kids have great insight into nafta and the WTO.keep thinking that.the interviews with those people were beamed around the world via the news during the protests.some of them when asked didnt even know what NAFTA stood for.it was so funny.

what are you like 50 years old?i would pay money to see you out there.americas funniest home videos here i come.

besides,why are all those people protesting white suburbia hippies?and they're protest methods are terrible.do you think busting up stores and burning flags with cut up t-shirts on your head makes people listen or care about what you are talking about(as if many of the protesters even know) because it dosent.just makes you look childish and in need of a good tazer blast.

jon stewart even let them have it.keep up the good work kids.
Blue Cat, I live in Montreal, and for a little while, there was some sort of anti-globalization protest going on almost every month. I passed by some of them (though I never participated) and this has to be the second time I agree with amsterdam. The majority of the people in these protests have no idea what they're doing, they're out for a party in the streets. I know this from first hand experience.

That is not to say that the core, the organizers, don't know what they're talking about, but most of the followers don't have a clue, and don't care either.

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Well if you are involved in the protest with an organized group you don't really pay attention to people like that. ... and you are told to stay away from trouble. There are always groups of kids acting out and there are always cops dressed in out dated grunge clothes that stir trouble then disappear as their buddy's start arresting people...all that comes with protesting. These people want you to NOT like Protesting that is their job...Protesting is needed to bring about change. Not all groups are street thugs out for a party.