time doesnt exist

[mellow mood]

yep, it doesnt, we just invented it. we created time.

[naturalmystic]

He speaks the truth.

[NoosaHeads]

Lol Time is an abstract consept...
I have often thought about that Mellow mood.
live in the Now theres no past no future just now.

[stoner spirit]

Of course, you can perceive time in any way you want. In this reality, almost anything is possible. You can mold this reality into anything you wish, if you know how to utalize the methods of the occult, and your will.

[Maui Wowie]

Yes, many people can't see these simple things too. Time can't be real, it's all another concept of life to stress us out and show us how long we will live. Then again, life itself is a huge illusion, that's why we have drugs, they are a secret to life, like a secret in a videogame, get it, and you gain MND, STR, INT, or just something you've never seen before that entertains you. Then again, some secrets are cursed and poison you, then... Game Over, just press restart.

[NoosaHeads]

Reality is for people who cant handle Drugs...

[GHoSToKeR]

wow

[GHoSToKeR]

wow sorry im pretty high and this thread is gettin pretty deep, man

[Beeblebrox.420]

Of course time exists. Time is simply another dimension, like length or width. The measurement of time is artificial, as is the measurement of spatial dimensions, but nevertheless, it exists independently of those units of measurement. Like spatial dimensions, the time dimension is affected by gravitational fields (Einstein, et al), and this effect is quantifiable. If time didn't exist, there would be no order to events, and cause could preceed effect.

[naturalmystic]

I hate to be all "when did the universe start" if you know what i mean, but lengths, widths, dimensions....it's all made up by man. There's no way to prove it exists, and theres no way to prove it doesn't exist. It just seems more logical that it's just something humanity made up to explain certain stuff.

[Maui Wowie]

I think they mean time as time from a clock. Of course if you mean the demension, then of course it exists, or else there would be no movement, or thoughts, from anything, forever (although forever wouldn't be a concept).

[Maui Wowie]

I hate to be all "when did the universe start" if you know what i mean, but lengths, widths, dimensions....it's all made up by man. There's no way to prove it exists, and theres no way to prove it doesn't exist. It just seems more logical that it's just something humanity made up to explain certain stuff.
If you keep asking "Why we exist", you'll just get frustrated, because there is no answer and we just have to wait til we die. Unless something so extraordinary happens while we're alive, that somehow someone figures out why we're here... that's incredibly unlikely to happen in our lifetime.

[naturalmystic]

Science is the same thing as Mythology. It is a way to prove why something happens. All mythology was, was to prove how/why/when something happens(d).

-A feather and cannonball are dropped at the exact same time and hit the ground at the exact same time. Science says it's gravity, a force that pulls the two objects towards the center of the planet, right now, that's the best explanation. So we all assume it's right.

With that notion, Time is was only created for our convenience. Just so we don't have to count moons as a form of telling 'time' or whatever you may call it.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Hate to burst you bubble, but it's trivial to prove that dimensions exist. It's been done to death, actually. Read The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene, if you would like a good, clear explanation of this and other aspects of quantum physics written in layman's terms.

[Maui Wowie]

Science is the same thing as Mythology. It is a way to prove why something happens. All mythology was, was to prove how/why/when something happens(d).

-A feather and cannonball are dropped at the exact same time and hit the ground at the exact same time. Science says it's gravity, a force that pulls the two objects towards the center of the planet, right now, that's the best explanation. So we all assume it's right.

With that notion, Time is was only created for our convenience. Just so we don't have to count moons as a form of telling 'time' or whatever you may call it.
Feathers don't fall, they glide to the floor.

[GHoSToKeR]

Time is just another unit of measurement. It's just another way to explain what is happening around us.. eventually there'll be a different accepted idea used to describe 'time' and what we now believe will look ignorant, but at the moment it's all we've got.

[naturalmystic]

If you keep asking "Why we exist", you'll just get frustrated, because there is no answer and we just have to wait til we die. Unless something so extraordinary happens while we're alive, that somehow someone figures out why we're here... that's incredibly unlikely to happen in our lifetime.
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you must've misinterpretated my post. I was just trying to get across that most things in our everyday life are man-made, that we dont even think about. Including the concept of time, clocks, whatever.

[Beeblebrox.420]

With that notion, Time is was only created for our convenience. Just so we don't have to count moons as a form of telling 'time' or whatever you may call it.
You are doing just what I cautioned against in my earlier post: You are conflating the measurement of time, with the entity to be measured.

[Maui Wowie]

If you keep asking "Why we exist", you'll just get frustrated, because there is no answer and we just have to wait til we die. Unless something so extraordinary happens while we're alive, that somehow someone figures out why we're here... that's incredibly unlikely to happen in our lifetime.
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you must've misinterpretated my post. I was just trying to get across that most things in our everyday life are man-made, that we dont even think about. Including the concept of time, clocks, whatever.
I know, i'm just giving you my own thoughts, it seemed like somewhat similer to what I was saying.

[Maui Wowie]

I'm sure there's lots of proof about this, but, how could we keep track of our exact time for this long?

[BlueCat]

hahaha Mellow's smoking alone again...me too...well my cats are here :D I think they like it... :D

so read some... http://www.hawking.org.uk/home/hindex.html his lectures are mind blowing...


well TIME for some munchies....who's tending bar?

Stoned Cat

[GHoSToKeR]

im as blazed off my ass as the next guy, just chilling reading this thread.. its awesome, i keep going to type something but then i think 'fuck it' and leave you guys to it because im way too high to participate right now lol =/

[mellow mood]

isnt it funny? our technologically world invented so much inventions to make everything faster, and we are all more stressed than we were hundreds of years ago...

and yes time is one of the three dimension, with matter and space (not sure of that lol), but still, time is only existing because we make it exist. time is not touchable, or anything. time is the most realtive thing we can see. it can pass so fast, or so slow when we are bored

time is passing at different speeds for each of us :)

[Maui Wowie]

im as blazed off my ass as the next guy, just chilling reading this thread.. its awesome, i keep going to type something but then i think 'fuck it' and leave you guys to it because im way too high to participate right now lol =/
Yeah, cool thing to do when high is to watch rants.

[BlueCat]

you got to read his lecture...it is so good I swear it is right up your alley...ok I'm going ..later...
hugs,
Cat

The Beginning of Time

In this lecture, I would like to discuss whether time itself has a beginning, and whether it will have an end. All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology. Yet it is now taken for granted. We are not yet certain whether the universe will have an end.

[Maui Wowie]

isnt it funny? our technologically world invented so much inventions to make everything faster, and we are all more stressed than we were hundreds of years ago...

and yes time is one of the three dimension, with matter and space (not sure of that lol), but still, time is only existing because we make it exist. time is not touchable, or anything. time is the most realtive thing we can see. it can pass so fast, or so slow when we are bored

time is passing at different speeds for each of us :)
Time is the fourth dimension. I really thought you meant clock time. We don't power time, time powers us. Time touches our every single movement, thought, emotion, anything we feel, we are connected to time.

[mellow mood]

well yes actually if universe started, time must have started too with the appearance of matter, etc. in fact, as i said, time doesnt really exist, its always there, even in the void. as long as theres someone to be there, he can tell theres time. time only exist because we do :)

[Maui Wowie]

I just gotta ask, who is "we" exactly.

[naturalmystic]

anyone/thing that can ackowledge time.

[mellow mood]

we is the earth, we is the solar system, we is the humans. we is anything. we are a drop of water in a ocean, thats what i mean lol

[Maui Wowie]

Ok, just clasifying what you meant.

[mellow mood]

is it really unclear?

i mean we couldnt be much more than humans... anyway..

[Maui Wowie]

I thought you were referring just to humans.

[mellow mood]

wel yea. it goes to anything. living creatures, humans, whatever. we are still a drop, in an ocean :)

[NoosaHeads]

You Guys Know That Im No Bible Basher.
But In the Old testament of the bible ( in the Days Of Noha's ark).
Aparrently they Lived to be Hundreds of years Old..
I dont remember exactly But didnt noha live to be like 300 yrs old.?.

Torog or anyone else who knows please explain.?.

[Maui Wowie]

Bah, I hate religion. What does that have anything to do with this exactly?

[naturalmystic]

It's an example of how far back time has gone. It means they've had time since noah's ark.

[djaio]

time does exist but not the way we think of it... we think of a straight line with a beginning and an end... yet look at our clocks. they go in an endless circle. look at the days and seasons, they go in cycles.

thats what time is... its a cycle that has no beginning or end. just look at the way we move around the sun.

i think that time, not god, has become the new deity of american culture... we're obsessed with it. our lives revolve around it. we never think to just let go, let everything happen when it happens. we talk about keeping track of time, racing against time, "time is on our side", as if its a person...

[Purge]

i agree with djaio..

[Purge]

time itself is that cycle, but the measurment of time simply keeps track of those cycles.

[Maui Wowie]

Bah, we've established that.

[larry]

Lol Time is an abstract consept...
I have often thought about that Mellow mood.
live in the Now theres no past no future just now.

There is a past and a present but no future

[Maui Wowie]

There is a past and a present but no future

Noose got owned ;P

[djaio]

but how can past exist... its only a memory. it only exists in your mind, just like the future

[GHoSToKeR]

If you think about it, there is no past, present or future.. The past doesn't exist, the future hasn't happened yet, and the present becomes the past before you know it :)

[Maui Wowie]

This is what I meant by getting yourself pissed off, nobody really knows these answers.

[NoosaHeads]

Noose got owned ;P


Im glad you think so my love.. :p

[supersonicchronic]

Tommorow I'm going to come in late, and be like "boss, what are you talking about, there is no such thing as time, go fuck yourself" I wish it was never 8:00 in the fuckin morning!

[homestar]

time only exists to us because we have memories...without memories you'd have no knowledge of this moment *right now* existing, and without knowing you existed a day ago, or a month ago, or 5 years ago you'd have no idea

just think how a beta fish must feel...beta fishes can live in small containers because they'll swim from one side to the other and forget that they were just at the other side - hehe.

you might say that time exists because we all live and die, and though you can prolong it dying is always going to be the end of your physical body.

ah im just talking out of my ass :D - really, others have said it well...time exists, we just made up the units of measurement

[Hydrizzle]

yep, it doesnt, we just invented it. we created time.


No, we didn't invent time, "time" is just the word we assigned to the passage of time (am I making sense)? Time existed before man, just noone had a word for it... we are so intellegent that we can understand how the universe works. Yep, humans rule ass alright.

[mellow mood]

time cannot exist, or anything else, if nobody know it does.

[BlueCat]

so is this guy weird or what?

http://www.timecube.com/

[Maui Wowie]

ROFLMYWAFFLEMRSKRABAPPLE!!

[YabaYabaDoobie]

i tired reading that site and all i have to say is ..."bleh?"

[BlueCat]

WTF Singularity is death worship? I don't get anything this guy is saying...is it me? have I been smoking too much...does anyone get it?
It just sounds FREAKY

[Maui Wowie]

I don't understand how people can believe this, if you read enough, some of the stories they tell are complete bullshit. There is one about this guy whos says he was in the desert and he saw 4 ghosts and Gene Ray (creator of the bullshit) comes and holds his hands and shows him the way of the "Cube". They're even selling gamecubes apparently from Gene Ray, stupid nonsense.

[BlueCat]

I know I think the guy must be ill or something....I can't follow his thinking at all...

[Hardbud]

but how can past exist... its only a memory. it only exists in your mind, just like the future

The past is real . Its more than a memory. It is inside your mind and all
around you.



The present time is real.


But there is no future, No such thing.
It would only exist as a dream or a fear or fantacy.
Never in reality. ;)

[dark0ne]

heres my theroy, time is all in your head. it's your brain trying to make sence out of somethig it can't. Like seeing faces in the wall paper patterns. our bodied age, but that is just our bodies. our mind or soul,spirit, what ever, still lives on, it moves in a circle. you die, you soul shifts out and then into another life form. repeat the cicle. if you think about it we are just vibrations moving in circles like evrything els. very hard to explain without weed, i'm dry over here.

[mellowyellow]

time is and illusion if it goes on for ever how can it be measured?
i tell my pwrents this but they still tell me to hurry up im late for work bastards

[harmonicminor]

without time nothing could exist time makes up everything from an atom to a planet to a galaxy they all have a vibration frequency this vibration is measured in time