Read this/Bush's government

[mellow mood]

Heres what blue cat said somewhere in a thread, which i found pretty interesting.

"A favorite of mine is Laurence Britt he listed 14 characteristics of a dangerous fascist regime:

1.Obsession with national security:.so how many of you have lost your favorite lighter or those dangerous nail clippers to homeland security?

2.the melding of religion and Government: â??Washington Briefingâ?� March 17-19, 2005. During this event, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) addressed attendees and pledged that Republican leaders in Congress would work to implement the Religious Rightâ??s controversial political agenda... Hmm scared yet?

3.powerful progressive nationalism: Now we all know how hatred unites people. People take satisfaction from the idea that we are good because our enemies are evil. Let's get those evil doers! I heard some women the other day say she hated the Iraqi people that they are bad people...I ask her why and she looked at me as if I were stupid and said they killed all those innocent people in the twin towers.... Tom made me walk away... he literally took my arm and pulled me away! damn damn double damn triple damn HELL!

4.suppressed labor power: well now...ours labor comes from china! but Bush signed his name to four executive orders on organized labor, remember that mess?

5.obsession with crime and punishment..Police officers don't have to give a reason at the time they arrest someone, the U.S. Supreme Court said in a ruling that shields officers from false-arrest lawsuits. .lets handcuff a few more 5 year olds...closet pedophiles...

6.manipulation of election proceedings...LOL not even worth a comment OK I will.. how to rig an election in the US I love this site..http://www.informationclearinghouse...article4031.htm

7. Rampant cronyism and corruption...Bush has cronies? no not him...interesting a synonym of Cronyism = discrimination

8.protection of corporate power...hmm can you say Halliburton,Walmart, Lockheed, oh never mind it would take a month or more...

9.controlled mass media....We all know Fox news reports fairly....

10.rampant sexism...hmmm lets see homophobia, anti pro choice, subservient stepfford wives...for starters

11.use of scapegoats and pubic identification of enemies: CIA leak what leak?, list is too long on this one...ask Ann coulter or hannity they know all about it

12 .disdain for intellectuals and the arts:.A group of more than 60 top U.S. scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates and several science advisers to past Republican presidents, accused the Bush administration of manipulating and censoring science for political purposes.. And we all remember ass-croft covering poor Davids jewels! Where's a calico cat when you need one!

13.Supremacy of the military...how much did we spend again? 400 WHAT?

14. and last but certainly not least....DISDAIN FOR THE RECOGNITION OF HUMAN RIGHTS Let's ask good old Gonzales on this one...naked pyramid anyone? OK don't answer that one..lol

Sinclair Lewis said it best....
"When fascism comes to American it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross...
pretty scary,eh"





so when you read this, u can totally see, well from my opinion, how this government truned out crazy. how can we really love a president such as Bush, that spend over 400 billions of $$$$ in army, while millions of americans are in total poorness

in your country u dont even have free hospital, not even social help(when u have no job its like 600$ per month). well u have this help only after 6 months u didnt have any jobs. so what are u doin during 6 months without money? u use your fuckin magnum. but heyyyyy, we NEED guns to protect us!!!! we NEED 400 BILLIONS OF DOLLAR to protect us!!! after all, if people would live in better conditions, if we would stop messin in other countries, if we would s top killing innocents, noooooooooo USA wouldnt be safest eh?

how can you(well for those pro-Bush) trust a such guy that cant write his own fuckin speech? how can u trust a guy so rich his own care is to make money, even if for this he needs to kill people? how can u trust him? PLEASE somebody help me i dont understand your way of thinkin

please torog tell me how can you say he protects your freedom? really? how?





P.S. I'm not saying im right or anything, im just asking questions. i may be wrong, but thats what i think. now i dont want ppl such as djaio comin and sayin "why are u always trying to prove others are wrong"

[yocass]

hehehe... you wanna post the same exact arguement over and over again... so heres a lil quote I found. No, I didnt write it. And no, I dont necessarily agree with all the points... But it seems more and more valid every day on here.

"Let me start off by saying I am well aware that Canada is quite a diverse country and many different opinions exist. I am fully aware that what one group of Canadians says is not a reflection of what the entire country feels. For those of you north of the border who do not share the simple-minded views I challenge here, I understand the embarrasment that you must feel living amongst these fools.

If you've ever spent any amount of time around a Canadian or a group of them while they are in anti-american mode you have no doubt felt it. That feeling, that trying to counter them or debate and discuss in a civilized and fair way is on a par with repeatedly banging your head against a brick wall. To them, America is not 50 states, the most diverse in the world, with literally every kind of people and culture living happy successful lives. To them, there is only one type of American, a Fat and Stupid one.

I have witnessed first-hand countless displays of anti-American hatred from Canadians. Some of it is relatively harmless joking and cheap-talk, some of it is pretty fierce politically based chat, and some of it is full-blown pure hatred to the point of wishing another 9-11 attack and death to the nation.

Most debates with these people get absolutely no-where. All they do is repeat anti-American lines or quote what they hear on their socialist media over and over and over again. You can ask them simple counter questions and you will get no response, or just another repeat of the same line. You can question them something about their own country or government and get a blank stare or completely nonsense answer formed into an anti-American statement of some kind. It is obvious to me that these people are incapable of forming their own opinions. They 'learn' them from the media or whatever other source wants to use them. They can't intelligently debate 'their' opinions because they are being fed them.

stupid canucks I actively participate in a very active political chat room. All day long, everyday, Canadians stream in and out. Dozens of them every day. It gets really old, because they all say THE EXACT SAME THINGS. They attack Americans using nothing other than Ad-Hom's, they laugh at anything bad in the news, like a worsening American Economy or a terrorist threat. They accuse us of tired old things like attacking Iraq for oil (when we don't need or want it) and plotting bizarre conspiracies that would make even the most diehard nutcase flinch.

A large number of the Canadians who find pleasure in mocking Americans and attacking the USA have rarely actually studied anything factual let alone set foot in the country, yet they are all EXPERTS at American Life and Politics! It's amazing what they can all learn and sware is the truth from irrelevant sources and gossip!

Some standard anti-american remarks heard constantly:

* Why are all you Americans so arrogant? -- They usually enter a chat room or conversation and just blurt this out without even spending a few minutes to see what the conversation is about. The Americans will be minding their own business discussing something completely harmless. So I ask... Why do you Canadians go out of your way to find and barge into conversations that have nothing to do with you and then throw idiotic insults around?
* You just went into Iraq to steal their oil! -- Yes! We spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a war to save a few bucks on a product we can get domestically and from any number of closer more friendly countries (Canada included) for cheaper! America currently has over 25 billion barrels of crude oil in reserves, and produces about 8 million barrels a day. America imports oil mainly from, YOU GUESSED IT! CANADA!. Better watch out, we might be wanting to liberate you guys next! Other major sources for U.S. oil include Mexico and Venezuela. We don't need any oil from Iraq. What we do want from the oil, is for the Iraqi's to EMBRACE the riches it can provide and market it wisely to HELP themselves with it. That's it!
* Americans are the terrorists, with their wars! -- At the time of this writing, there are 34 countries with personnel on the ground in Iraq trying to help the people. On Sept. 11th, 2001, Three-Thousand innocent people of multiple nationalities were slaughtered. Some of them lived through the collapse of the twin towers and were trapped underground. Evidence points to the horrific fact that many of them survived underground for as long as 3 weeks, trying to dig themselves out with their fingernails. I would like to see you stoopcans go and visit the families of the American victims, and tell them that you think THEY are the terrorists.
* You idiots don't even have national health care! -- Anyone in America, at any time, under any circumstances, can get medical attention, even if they are not an American citizen. Even if you have absolutely no insurance or money to your name, you can get treated promptly. Even if it is not an emergency, you can get literally any kind of health related service for cheap or for free from any number of clinics found in every part of the country. Just because we don't all give away our money to a stupid failing federal program like yours means nothing. The best health care in the world is available in virtually every community here, and open to everyone.
* Yeah, you guys are cool, bombing civilians in ____. -- The blood of innocent people is on the hands of those that provoke the strikes. If I went up to you in the street and pushed and shoved you, I would fully expect you to push and shove me back. What I would not do however, is throw my girlfriend or child in-between me and you. That is what these people do. They do not care about or value life in the same way You or I do. They *want* innocent people to die. They want *anyone* to die. It's how they like to make statements. They'll blow up 50 of their own people if they think they can kill just 1 American or coalition troop. They would gladly blow you up and forget about you 5 minutes after doing so also.
* You dumb Americans are all brainwashed by Fox News! -- Americans have the largest variety of news sources to choose from in the world. Fox News is not 'controlled' by the government and spreading 'propaganda'. Fox News is a privately owned tv channel, and can say anything they want. They are not motivated by anything else other than RATINGS, SPONSORS, and Shareholders. They are in no way obligated to report their news in any certain way. Unlike your CBC, they are not liable to the taxpayers. Their only responsibility is to try and keep people watching to please the ones that they profit from. Reporting the news comes in second. The same is true with CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MTV, ESPN, ALL OF THEM! Unlike you, Americans understand this and form their own opinions based on various media outlets instead of taking one source as the absolute Gospel. Why don't you instead question your Canadian government owned and operated media outlets, and stupid things like the ban on Satellite dishes.
* Well, you're all just Stupid Americans and I don't have time for your crap. -- America became what it is today because we're all idiots. One single country that is responsible for around 1/3 of the entire planets economy, must all be idiots. All of your educated professional idiots like doctors and scientists are flocking into America in record numbers to join the other idiots. Why? And also, see the first point.



Canada Condemns 'Racist' Conan O'Brien TV Show

conan obrian insults french canadians

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's government on Friday condemned a show by U.S. late-night television host Conan O'Brien that insulted people in French-speaking Quebec and seemed to suggest everyone in the province was homosexual.

Ottawa and the province of Ontario paid $760,000 to help O'Brien -- who appears on the NBC television network -- bring his show to Toronto for a week to boost the city's profile after a deadly SARS outbreak last year.

Alexa McDonough, a legislator for the left-leaning New Democrats, described the program as "racist filth" and "utterly vile" and demanded the government seek the return of the C$1 million subsidy. - Full Story

This has to be one of the funniest shitstorms I have ever seen. I have dealt with french-canadians before. My personal opinion is that they can be some of the lowest life forms on this planet, absolute worthless scum. Not only do they share many of the traits of their more normal Canadian countrymen, they make many parts of hatred a SPORT. They are obnoxious, rude, waffling little people that absolutely hate anything and everything outside of their little boring senseless world. This Conan O'brien story is so incredibly funny because all that happened was they got a TASTE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE, from a SOCK PUPPET!

I have been to Dinner hosted by some Quebecer's before. My friend hadn't seen his relatives in some time, and invited me along to the occasion. These people have no joy, no humor, no point, no spine. We sat through over an hour of the most miserable dinner ever. There was no pleasant conversation, no smiles, no 'get to know each other' type chitchat at all. It was all listening to them sullenly bitch, whine, complain about other countries and the rest of the world. You don't dare question anything they say, for fear of being thrown out onto the street. You just sit their and nod, not daring to make a joke or comment about anything, including the food or the decor.

My parents experienced it also. They recently went on an extended vacation, driving with their 5th wheel camper up through Canada to Alaska. They said it's like another world in parts of Canada. People refuse to gather and socialize (which is one of the greatest things about parking the camper in a campground), they all pretty much just stare at each other and whisper. They couldn't believe how any place in North America could be so backwards.

Many (less intelligent) Canadians still like to boast about silly little things like how they burned down the white house in 1812 and kicked our asses. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you retreated back into your wasteland. And it was the british that got into the white house in 1812. Canada didn't even exist until 1867. The British didn't burn it down, they just made a pretty big mess inside. You can't burn down a concrete structure."

[Mojavpa]

hehehe... you wanna post the same exact arguement over and over again... so heres a lil quote I found. No, I didnt write it. And no, I dont necessarily agree with all the points... But it seems more and more valid every day on here.

"Let me start off by saying I am well aware that Canada is quite a diverse country and many different opinions exist. I am fully aware that what one group of Canadians says is not a reflection of what the entire country feels. For those of you north of the border who do not share the simple-minded views I challenge here, I understand the embarrasment that you must feel living amongst these fools.

If you've ever spent any amount of time around a Canadian or a group of them while they are in anti-american mode you have no doubt felt it. That feeling, that trying to counter them or debate and discuss in a civilized and fair way is on a par with repeatedly banging your head against a brick wall. To them, America is not 50 states, the most diverse in the world, with literally every kind of people and culture living happy successful lives. To them, there is only one type of American, a Fat and Stupid one.

Yes, America has a diverse population, but how many people are being represented in government? I'll tell you, 90% of our congressman are christian, straight, white men. And how diverse are corporate executives? Its the same profile.






Some standard anti-american remarks heard constantly:

* Why are all you Americans so arrogant? -- They usually enter a chat room or conversation and just blurt this out without even spending a few minutes to see what the conversation is about. The Americans will be minding their own business discussing something completely harmless. So I ask... Why do you Canadians go out of your way to find and barge into conversations that have nothing to do with you and then throw idiotic insults around?
* You just went into Iraq to steal their oil! -- Yes! We spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a war to save a few bucks on a product we can get domestically and from any number of closer more friendly countries (Canada included) for cheaper! America currently has over 25 billion barrels of crude oil in reserves, and produces about 8 million barrels a day. America imports oil mainly from, YOU GUESSED IT! CANADA!. Better watch out, we might be wanting to liberate you guys next! Other major sources for U.S. oil include Mexico and Venezuela. We don't need any oil from Iraq. What we do want from the oil, is for the Iraqi's to EMBRACE the riches it can provide and market it wisely to HELP themselves with it. That's it!

We dont want to necessarily use the iraq oil for ourselves, but that doesnt change the fact we still want to control Iraqs oil supply to prevent other countries from having access to it. Dont you get it? It about world power. The worlds oil supply is decreasing as the demamd gets higher. A sure fire way to retain our status as a superpower is to keep other growing powers in check.


* Yeah, you guys are cool, bombing civilians in ____. -- The blood of innocent people is on the hands of those that provoke the strikes. If I went up to you in the street and pushed and shoved you, I would fully expect you to push and shove me back. What I would not do however, is throw my girlfriend or child in-between me and you. That is what these people do. They do not care about or value life in the same way You or I do. They *want* innocent people to die. They want *anyone* to die. It's how they like to make statements. They'll blow up 50 of their own people if they think they can kill just 1 American or coalition troop. They would gladly blow you up and forget about you 5 minutes after doing so also.

While I condemn violence from Iraqi insurgents, we still have to remember that Americans are still DIRECTLY killing Iraqi by dropping bombs on civilians, killing people with sharpnel, and using chemical weapons banned by the international community.
If Americans really cared about the Iraqis, theyd leave as soon as possible. That would give much more credance to the Iraqi government and decrease the level of violence there. Theres no indication AT ALL the levels of violence will decrease as long as the forces occupy Iraq.


* You dumb Americans are all brainwashed by Fox News! -- Americans have the largest variety of news sources to choose from in the world. Fox News is not 'controlled' by the government and spreading 'propaganda'. Fox News is a privately owned tv channel, and can say anything they want. They are not motivated by anything else other than RATINGS, SPONSORS, and Shareholders. They are in no way obligated to report their news in any certain way. Unlike your CBC, they are not liable to the taxpayers. Their only responsibility is to try and keep people watching to please the ones that they profit from. Reporting the news comes in second. The same is true with CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MTV, ESPN, ALL OF THEM! Unlike you, Americans understand this and form their own opinions based on various media outlets instead of taking one source as the absolute Gospel. Why don't you instead question your Canadian government owned and operated media outlets, and stupid things like the ban on Satellite dishes.

Many of the anchors on FOX news are friends of Republicans and one is ACTUALLY a relative of Bush. And FOX does brainwash its viewers. On a recent poll of FOX news viewers, over 60% said that Saddam Hussain was responsible for the attacks on 9/11. If FOX reported news accurately, how do you explain that? We actually have very few news sources if you consider the fact that most are owned by a handful of corportations.

[yocass]

er... learn to read. Then learn to comprehend.
1: we dont, nor will we control their oil.
2: what chemical weapons banned by what international community? I believe this is what the guy was meaning by quoting irrelevant or un backable stories.
3: you obviously didnt read that whole quote. Who cares who the hell the anchors are? They read scripts. And... no.. no they do not brain wash anyone. They never said saddam did... ever. Peoples arragonce and stupidity can not be blamed on a tv channel they watch. In one recent study, 100% of people thought that yocass was awesome. But I only asked one person, me. Study is still true though.

Anyways, I didnt write that. As I clearly stated. You are arguing with a phantom.

[mellow mood]

anyway, how can u still vote for a president that make u think he spends billions of $ in security but in fact hes just searching for touble by killing innocents to get the oil price cheaper and keeping americans poor while 5% have 90% of america's money. how stupid capitalist system.

if americans wanna feel safer they have to live in decent conditions with decent social helps. if 250 millions of americans have a gun whos safe anyway. and bringing war in iraq to find nuclear massive weapons, isnt it only searching for terrorists and trouble? do u guys know how many countries own nuclear weapon? 50? 100?

and is it right to kill innocents ppl to get the oil price cheaper? think about it all pro-bush does this guy really made your country safer??????

[yocass]

bring that 50-100 closer to around...10 I think and youll be dead on! Capitalism is bullshit... as with every country ran by it. Including, but not limited to: canada, america, england, france, mecixo, australia, japan etc... etc.. Off the top of my head on the nukes... russia, france, britain, america, pakistan, china, india... most likely north korea and israel.hwo can you vote for a president than makes the media think we spend billions in security when in fact its for starting fights for no reason? hehe look at me I can come up with bullshit out of my ass too! If you had ANY understanding of american politics you would realise the president is a no body. A figurehead. A puppet. who cares who he is? We never thought iraq ever did have nukes. We never said they did. We thought they may have a nuclear program though. Why do canadians insist on thinking the war is for oil? You can never.. EVER quote one source on how we are making money from the oil in this war. Is it against the law to try and prove your flawed arguements? Not bashing on canadians or anything... but it seems most of that arguement comes from canadians on the online community... everyone else has kind of let that go when they got proved wrong.

[mellow mood]

lol i know hes a puppet.

but now, tell me why he did war to iraq (and hes still doin it)

[Mojavpa]

er... learn to read. Then learn to comprehend.
1: we dont, nor will we control their oil.
2: what chemical weapons banned by what international community? I believe this is what the guy was meaning by quoting irrelevant or un backable stories.
3: you obviously didnt read that whole quote. Who cares who the hell the anchors are? They read scripts. And... no.. no they do not brain wash anyone. They never said saddam did... ever. Peoples arragonce and stupidity can not be blamed on a tv channel they watch. In one recent study, 100% of people thought that yocass was awesome. But I only asked one person, me. Study is still true though.

Anyways, I didnt write that. As I clearly stated. You are arguing with a phantom.

When a channel airs "news", its THEIR responsibility to report it accurately. A bedrock of democracy is a free media that reports stories accurately. People have a right to watch news that isnt corruputed by corporate influence, and people who read independant news media were far less likely to believe Saddam was responsible for 9/11 Dont you get it? Its because of corporate news that people were duped into believing going into iraq was the right thing to do. Even though FOX or CNN did not explicitly say Saddam was responsible for 9/11, they spit out everything the pentagon said, and basically repeated their lies. In speech after speech bush referred to 9/11 when he sought support on his immoral war, and the news networks never questioned him. Do you think FOX just reads scripts when it donates millions of dollars to Bush? What make-belive world are you living in?

In my response I didnt get personal. But since you did in your last response by calling into question my intelligence I'll do the same by saying you HAVENT COME UP with any reasons why the US attacked Iraq. You try to put down other arguments, but you cant come up with any reasons yourself, smart guy. You know what I think, you just hate the fact that canadians are right about so many things, and all you can do is hurl insults at them.

I brought up the fact that the US used chemical weapons. Ever heard of napalm? Did you know Iraqi civilians were exposed to that stuff? Heres a source. I'm sure you can find many more, except from CNN, FOX, and all the the other corporate networks. Their "reporters" are either imbedded with the military or safely nestled in the hotelrooms until the next press conference.

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/covering_iraq/archives//000118.php

[yocass]

Ill inhale a shit load of napalm.. know what will happen? I might get high. Napalm is flammable. It was banned in 1980 in a convention in the UN that the US never agreed to sign. Even then, its only banned to use on military dug in into civilian areas. "prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons" Napalm is no way considered a chemical weapon. By anyone. "Of freedom in Fallujah, Dahr writes of reports that â??US troops have sprayed chemical and nerve gases on resistance fighters,â?� and from the Golan District that â??residents have been further burnt beyond treatment by poisonous gases.â?� â??Adding credibility to the claims,â?� he notes, â??the US admitted last August of having used napalm in Iraq during the initial invasion of the country, which is an internationally-banned weapon.â?� The site is http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com This guy runs some half baked news place. Quotes himself on "reports" he saw. Then calls it news. And you say FOX is biased. Iraq had chemical weapons in the past. Probably still did, and moved them out of the country before the war. I will probably never know the real reasons for the war, and neither will you. That kind of shit just isn't made public. All wars have their political reasons, and they have the real reasons. Anyone who is stupid enough to consider whatever FOX says as gospel shouldn't have a say in anything, they are to stupid. A news agencies job inst to question anything. Its to make money by keeping people watching. You really have to understand that. The whole point is, no one with half a brain takes anything the news agencies report at face value. Who cares where they donate money to? I don't... I'm not even gonna start up what you brought up with canadians. Anyways I'm not supporting either side, because I don't pretend to know 5% of what is really going on. I am constantly learning and trying to form new ideas, instead of starting bullshit arguments and going into an argument with a closed mind. I'm just calling out the bullshit arguments... such as the war is for oil. If that was the case the war would have been done the first time.

[Delta9]

yea well I fucking love George Bush. He's a very strong Christian, and extremely religiously, devote, and very intelllegent and educated. Me? Myself? I don't believe in a goddamn thing except drinking, smoking, and gambling, but It makes me feel that I'm a good person knowing that a kind and caring man like George Bush is President Of the U.s. God Bless George B.

[Delta9]

Those fucking Jews in Isreal should find something better to do that pray to their sick disgusting God.

[Delta9]

I hate Arabs too. I hate everyone even myself. Thats why I put drugs in my veins.

[Delta9]

Inhalents? Inhale more, just like in Brazil. Another hero; Greatest of the great just below George Bush as the Highest of the High. George Bush being higher than all including The President of China. The Ultimate just below George Bush the one the only Fidel Castro, Smoking on a Cubano, Greater than all.

[nicholasstanko]

what the fuck are you on, delta9?

[amsterdam]

naked pyramid?????????????????// SO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

too bad the geneva convention dosent apply to those idiots.

who cares anyways?naked pyramid.LOL.,HAHAHA

[Fengzi]

When a channel airs "news", its THEIR responsibility to report it accurately. A bedrock of democracy is a free media that reports stories accurately. People have a right to watch news that isnt corruputed by corporate influence, and people who read independant news media were far less likely to believe Saddam was responsible for 9/11 Dont you get it? Its because of corporate news that people were duped into believing going into iraq was the right thing to do.

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/covering_iraq/archives//000118.php
You hit the nail on the head. The U.S media is responsible for a huge majority of Americans believing a load of shit.

Having spent some time overseas, living is a country that the U.S media loves to portray as a villian, I began to realize how full of crap the American media is. 99% of the things I had been led to believe about that country by the American media were incorrect. Don't get me wrong, the American media does not lie. It just tells half truths that are creatively worded that guide Americans to fill in the blanks incorrectly.

Why? It's all about money. People want to read sensational stories that get them riled up. That increases readership/viewership and that increases advertising dollars. If the government is behind those adverstising dollars, not directly but maybe giving some tax breaks or enacting legislation that is favorable to a given corporation, thus increasing their advertising dollars, than the media will respond accordingly.

[amsterdam]

who thought saddam was responsible for 9/11?i havent met a single person who did?

[Fengzi]

who thought saddam was responsible for 9/11?i havent met a single person who did?

I don't think anyone thought that Saddam planned the attacks himself or that the people on the planes were Iraqi soldiers. It is pretty clear, however, that Bush used Iraqi's ties to Al Qeada and other terrorist organizations in his efforts to win support for the Iraq war.

Also, according to Richard Clarke, a former National Security Council official, Bush desperatly wanted there to be s direct link between Saddam and the attackers. Clarke describes a meeting that took place on September 12th of 2001: "The president, in a very intimidating way, left us, me and my staff, with the clear indication that he wanted us to come back with the word that there was an Iraqi hand behind 9/11 because they had been planning to do something about Iraq from before the time they came into office."

[BlueCat]

Ok I know this is a waste of time for the sheeple but some of you may really find some of this really interesting....You are right Yocass the gov. is a sham no side is right...Clinton has his nose so far up Bushes ass they eat the same food....
Don't get me wrong Clinton is a smart man...He taught at my college he goes where the money is...We have been screwed over by our goverment for years..
The Trail of Tears Native american murder
Smallpox blankets
SLAVERY
women not voting
1870 Union Pacific railroad scandal
Lincoln
Warrren Harding and the teapot Dome scandal
Prescott Bush who owned Remington arms BTW and was charged with treason by our government for selling weapons to the germans.
Bay of pigs
Kennedy
watergate
Ronald I can't recall Reagan
and his buddy Oliver North selling weapons to Iran while there was a boycott and they heald americans hostage
watergate and tricky Dick
White water
A blow Job
and NOW......
Bush is elected and magic gas emits from his ass...all gov. scandal stops...we are Christians now....Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaa Give me a break you can't be that stupid....or maybe you can you did vote for Bush...Yes Yocass is right Gov. in itself is corrupt but we have to choose the lesser of the two evils and then fight for the other issues using the elected officials that will adhere the closes to the Constitution and preserve individual rights!
you are wrong too Yocass
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A52241-2002Dec29&notFound=true

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/US-International-Court20mar03.htm

and you might find this interesting fodder for the rapturist and why we give so much cash to Isreal....the Rapturist(which Bush is BTW as well as Asscroft) and Jews do beleive we have to possess the temple on the mount for Christ's second coming... which is in Isreal protected by the jews and our money.. :eek:
Israel receives $3 billion in annual U.S. foreign aid." That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000.

One can truthfully blame the mainstream media for never digging out these figures for themselves, because none ever have. They were compiled by the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. But the mainstream media certainly are not alone. Although Congress authorizes America's foreign aid total, the fact that more than a third of it goes to a country smaller in both area and population than Hong Kong probably never has been mentioned on the floor of the Senate or House. Yet it's been going on for more than a generation.
Little tiny Isreal gets more aid from the US than ALL 3 world countries COMBINDED Your TAX MONEY...

http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=321

you might want to read on yellow cake uranium too.

and to the little idiot that says too bad the Geneva convention does not apply to those idiots.....The geneva convention is international law...which your president does not acknowledge....BTW he is the 1st ever to not acknowledge it...now if it does not apply to the so called idiots :rolleyes: then it won't apply to the US or our soldiers.....so you don't mind that our soldiers can be tortured by a government and then not be held accountable by the international court? You are clueless aren't you? Like I said before join the Marines they will take you I can put you in contact with the right people just give me your name...

Mad Cat

[BlueCat]

I don't think anyone thought that Saddam planned the attacks himself or that the people on the planes were Iraqi soldiers. It is pretty clear, however, that Bush used Iraqi's ties to Al Qeada and other terrorist organizations in his efforts to win support for the Iraq war.

Also, according to Richard Clarke, a former National Security Council official, Bush desperatly wanted there to be s direct link between Saddam and the attackers. Clarke describes a meeting that took place on September 12th of 2001: "The president, in a very intimidating way, left us, me and my staff, with the clear indication that he wanted us to come back with the word that there was an Iraqi hand behind 9/11 because they had been planning to do something about Iraq from before the time they came into office."


http://www.pnac.info/

[BlueCat]

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2003/02/23/export4211.prt

[pisshead]

"It's easy to imagine an infinite number of situations where the government might legimitely give out false information. It's an unfortunte reality that the issuance of incomplete information and even misinformation by government may sometimes be perceived as necessary to protect vital interests."

-Solicitor General Theodore Olson, whose wife Barbara was killed on September 11th, 2001.


you don't actually expect amsterdam to read that do you? he's going to give you some one liner and completely avoid the issue, and offer nothing but meaningless words. probably in about 2 minutes.

pnac.info is a really good site though. reading rebuilding america's defenses is a nice look at what their real goals are. they just write it out in the open,and know that 99% of people won't read it or care, and will just believe whatever they say in public.

[BlueCat]

You are right I know...but it is like by doing nothing you are just as guilty ya know? Like when you are in a room and some idiot makes a racist slur....if you say nothing...you are more quilty then the illiterate, ignorant, person that just does not know any better...so you have to say Hey..thats offensive.....don't you think?

Its nice to find someone thats in the know BTW....I hate the stereo type that all potheads are stoners lol those are all good sites I'm sure you read
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/012405F.shtml and
http://www.commondreams.org/

smiling Cat

[pisshead]

these are sites i visit daily or every few days:
www.gregpalast.com (http://www.gregpalast.com/)
www.rense.com (http://www.rense.com/)
www.prisonplanet.com (http://www.prisonplanet.com/)
www.thememoryhole.org (http://www.thememoryhole.org/)
www.pnac.info (http://www.pnac.info/)
www.tomflocco.com (http://www.tomflocco.com/)
www.gunowners.org (http://www.gunowners.org/)
www.ap.org (http://www.ap.org/)
www.reuters.com (http://www.reuters.com/)
www.haaretzdaily.com (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/)
www.bbc.com (http://www.bbc.com/)
www.fox.com (http://www.fox.com/)
www.cnn.com (http://www.cnn.com/)
www.msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.com/)
www.usatoday.com (http://www.usatoday.com/)
www.csmonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/)
www.drudgereport.com (http://www.drudgereport.com/)
www.space.com (http://www.space.com/)
www.cbc.ca (http://www.cbc.ca/)
www.indymedia.org (http://www.indymedia.org/)
www.un.org/news (http://www.un.org/news)
thomas.loc.gov (http://thomas.loc.gov)

local newspapers all around the country. do a google search for 'news'...

there's a lot more i can't think of right now. i'm a tad bit high.

[mellow mood]

i got this secret photo from the CIA. im not supposed to post it, but here it is. now u guys know the truth!!

[Mojavpa]

lol did they meet in a chat room?

[amsterdam]

hahahaha

[mellow mood]

no that was during the 80's when bush gave a lot of money to ben laden so he would rebel against iraquiens, so bush kinda wanted services back with the money he spend on him..

LOL

[amsterdam]

you guys really dont see how you deal with terrorists do you.at certain times you have to side with the lesser evil.

[mellow mood]

lol which terrorists, who wants to attack USA? who??? dude theres no fuckin terrorists except muslims having a bomb on him and killing 10 ppl. do u really think every fuckin terrorist group have his fuckin nuclear bomb?

JEEZ THERES NO TERRORISTS, bush tries to keep everyone in fear. is oussama ben laden have a relation with iraq anyway?

[pisshead]

the feds have the most to gain from this 'terrorism'...it's an excuse for a federal takeover and overthrow of the republic, for a dictatorship.

[amsterdam]

of course i dont think all terrorists have nuclear weapons?

if you dont think there are muslim finatics out to kill americans where ever they are,you are wrong.

[mellow mood]

lol the question is why would they want to kill some americans? i feel safe here in canada, and why? maybe coz my president didnt stole some oil from other countries. and because few lil terrorists group would maybe want to attack USA, we have to attack iraq? oh yea i forgot, theres only terrorists in iraq. oh i forgot too, its necessary to spend over 100 billions of $$$ to kill few fanatic groups.

maybe im wrong, maybe in fact bush doesnt want to steal any oil. after all, only 100 countries have nuclear weapons. yea, lil fanatic groups are proly more dangeroys than north Korea. yes, a lil pot smoker is more important to arrest than the big coke dealer for the stupid cop, isnt it?

lol

[amsterdam]

your govt. sure is nervous about all your immigrants from the middle east though.

canada isnt some great target either,if i was a terrorist i wouldnt be looking for places to blow up in toronto?

[mellow mood]

ok, ill reformulate my question: why americans are so hated, compared to canadians, in middle orient and many many countries?

[amsterdam]

people always blame all of their problems on us,ALWAYS!we are used to it by now.shake em off ya know.