If you can not beat them. Joing them!

[XTC]

I am done being a flip-floping, amoral, America Hating, Terrorists. I am now a Republican! Here's the website that helped show the errors of my ways. :p http://www.thefrown.com/things/becomerepublican/

[Climbing High]

haha that sight was hilarious. i couldnt tell weather it was serious or not for such a long time.

[sensiskunk]

LMAO XTC, that made my day! That has got to be the most honest approach to bashing republicans, because they are left with "NO" excuses, and no loopholes to try and deny the truth! Yee-haw, ima go get me a gun and kill me some iraqies, 'n while im at it, heck, ima go get me a holy bible, so jesus can save me from those nasty liberals!! Yee-haw, i love being a republican, heck, who needs common sense, and a brain! Shux, i sure dont, i love mr bush, no matter wat he does!! YEE-HAW!! LMAO

[Torog]

I am done being a flip-floping, amoral, America Hating, Terrorists. I am now a Republican! Here's the website that helped show the errors of my ways. :p http://www.thefrown.com/things/becomerepublican/
Howdy XTC,

Ha Ha I bet you think that yer clever,huh ? Just because I resemble some of those remarks and have 95% of the republican kit..doesn't mean that I can't laugh at it all..it was pretty funny..lol..I must admit. I don't currently own a cowboy hat,football or pistol,but I got everything else...lol. As for the type of repub I am,I'm the first one..with a gun..the redneck version...lol.

Have a good one....

[pisshead]

yet you support george bush, and if we go by current definitions...gw is the most liberal president we've ever had.

[OzzyOz]

lol
that was quite funny actually

i liked the issues thermometer thing hahaa

[amsterdam]

LMAO XTC, that made my day! That has got to be the most honest approach to bashing republicans, because they are left with "NO" excuses, and no loopholes to try and deny the truth! Yee-haw, ima go get me a gun and kill me some iraqies, 'n while im at it, heck, ima go get me a holy bible, so jesus can save me from those nasty liberals!! Yee-haw, i love being a republican, heck, who needs common sense, and a brain! Shux, i sure dont, i love mr bush, no matter wat he does!! YEE-HAW!! LMAO


again with the republicans are stupid and somehow we are "just smarter" somehow.

go ahead,keep thinking that.we will keep winning real elections.

[sensiskunk]

republicans arent smarter moron, they know how to campaign, by spending records amount of money, relentlessly using fear tactics, and practically buying votes. If republicans 'are so smart' why is the economy so fucked, why has the war in iraq not concluded, why is george bush's main concern gay marriage, and why the fuck do republicans hate stem cell research. LOL, another thing, all the retard states vote republicans, all the smarter states vote democrat, hmmmm, see a correlation?

[XTC]

What makes a State Sophiscated oppesed to Retarded.

[amsterdam]

sophisticated hahaha,the true liberal speaks.typical of your disorder.

the economy is moving along fine smart guy.i did great last year.

about the campaign,the only people serving time in prison are democrats(2 moveon people,and 3 people in wisconsin for handing out crack for votes)lol.

your party then decides to hire howard dean to head the entire party after losing the national election for being to left wing.lol.i almost forgot about hillaries guy who is about to go to prison.lol.

the dems are the party of the rich now.why do you think we continue to pick up minority votes every election?

[sensiskunk]

That was based on states economies, avg IQ's, and overall success. The states with the lowest IQ's, and shittiest economies vote republican. And the states with the highest avg IQ's vote democrat. I think the highest state IQ was 113, which voted democrat, and the lowest IQ was 92, which voted republican. Also, there was a study based on voters educations. High school graduates vote democrat, college graduates is pretty even amongst dem and rep, and post graduate studies (doctors, lawyers etc..) are overwhelmingly democrat.

[XTC]

I believe that study is BS. The state as a whole didn't all take IQ tests, not to mention IQ tests are bias. Different people have different opinions is all that leads up to Red/Blue states.

[amsterdam]

who based that test? cbs,newsweek??that is such bullshit.

new york, L A and some states in the midwest voted democrat?thats about it.these places are somehow smarter than the rest of the country?no, they arent.there are just as many dumb-shits in new york as there are in alabama.

[sensiskunk]

sophisticated hahaha,the true liberal speaks.typical of your disorder.

the economy is moving along fine smart guy.i did great last year.

about the campaign,the only people serving time in prison are democrats(2 moveon people,and 3 people in wisconsin for handing out crack for votes)lol.

your party then decides to hire howard dean to head the entire party after losing the national election for being to left wing.lol.i almost forgot about hillaries guy who is about to go to prison.lol.

the dems are the party of the rich now.why do you think we continue to pick up minority votes every election?
Ya, whatever you say. $480 billion deficit isnt too bad, just the worst in history. Republicans are far more corrupt than most other political parties on earth. did i ask if "YOU" did 'great last year', NO. i said AMERICAS economy was shit. My family is pretty wealthy, and all of us are democrat, and most of our wealthy friends are democrat. why the fuck would minorities vote republican, they must have mental problems. Republicans could careless about the middle class and lower class, thats why all those rappers and music artists were going around ghettos tellin them to vote democrat, which obviously didnt work very well. So in essence, us rich democrats are getting paid because of stupid ppl, well thank you!

[amsterdam]

Ya, whatever you say. $480 billion deficit isnt too bad, just the worst in history. Republicans are far more corrupt than most other political parties on earth. did i ask if "YOU" did 'great last year', NO. i said AMERICAS economy was shit. My family is pretty wealthy, and all of us are democrat, and most of our wealthy friends are democrat. why the fuck would minorities vote republican, they must have mental problems. Republicans could careless about the middle class and lower class, thats why all those rappers and music artists were going around ghettos tellin them to vote democrat, which obviously didnt work very well. So in essence, us rich democrats are getting paid because of stupid ppl, well thank you!


of course your wealthy.like i said,the party of the rich.

america dosent want any part of what your party has to offer,obviously.


i hope alot of people read this guys post!!he is the prime example of the domocrat party today.no plans,no ideas,no solutions.out of touch.

thats why on nov. 2 2004,john kerry,john edwards,michael moore,ted kennedy,barbara boxer,dick gephart, and all the rest heard the words "YOUR FIRED!"

[sensiskunk]

LOL amsterdam, i could say the exact same thing about you. You havent offered any plans, ideas, solutions, and your obviously 'out of touch'. So, i hope ppl read your posts to see how full of shit you are. Republicans dont have plans, and if they do, they obviously fuck up the country more than help it.

[amsterdam]

really??thats why republicans swept the democrats out of office around the country on nov. 2?

i am for a bold foreign policy.attacking terrorists anywhere they are.anywhere.

i am for bold tax cuts that push the economy back(like it has)

i am against waiting around for international permission to kill terrorists.

[sensiskunk]

So you are for blowing up everything, you are for cutting medicaid, and giving tax breaks to the rich (which hasnt worked). Seems like you just wanna kill, kill, kill. You should watch Team America, pretty much the same ideology as most republicans. Might as well blow up the whole World then Amsterdam, because theres terrorists everywhere.

I am for environmental safety, gun control, stable economy, health care, and global peace. You want to kill ppl, i want to help ppl, which is the main difference amongst dems and reps in my opinion.

Here is a lil IQ based study done... http://www.sq.4mg.com/stateIQ-income.htm
I doubt its exact, but it is pretty accurate.

[bhallg2k]

really??thats why republicans swept the democrats out of office around the country on nov. 2?

Nah, they did that through obfuscating and distorting the truth.


i am for a bold foreign policy.attacking terrorists anywhere they are.anywhere.

Ok, let's mount up! We're off to North Korea, China, Sudan, Congo, Eastern Eurpe and Latin America and everywhere else there are terrorists. Oh, wait, nevermind, we're not. They don't have oil.


i am for bold tax cuts that push the economy back(like it has)

Right on, brother. Nothing has pushed this economy back and stalled it like those tasty tax cuts. Hey, maybe if we didn't have such a massive defict, the Fed would stop raising interest rates. Don't get me started about fuel prices and the cost of transportation, shipping, etc.


i am against waiting around for international permission to kill terrorists.

The UN said to us in regards to Afghanistan, "Go right ahead, folks. Have fun in the sand." In regards to Iraq, the UN said, "Umm, those aren't the terrorists you're looking for. You should probably stay in Afghanistan and finish that one."

[amsterdam]

thats just it,thats not what america is for right now?dont you see that?

spreading freedom around the world is helping people,it is a hard dirty job,but it helps people alot man.

the tax cuts for the rich is garbage is a michael moore talking point.save that for high school.

[amsterdam]

Nah, they did that through obfuscating and distorting the truth.



Ok, let's mount up! We're off to North Korea, China, Sudan, Congo, Eastern Eurpe and Latin America and everywhere else there are terrorists. Oh, wait, nevermind, we're not. They don't have oil.



Right on, brother. Nothing has pushed this economy back and stalled it like those tasty tax cuts. Hey, maybe if we didn't have such a massive defict, the Fed would stop raising interest rates. Don't get me started about fuel prices and the cost of transportation, shipping, etc.



The UN said to us in regards to Afghanistan, "Go right ahead, folks. Have fun in the sand." In regards to Iraq, the UN said, "Umm, those aren't the terrorists you're looking for. You should probably stay in Afghanistan and finish that one."


so we said shove it up your ass you rich fucks and took care of buisness.

both are paying off big time politically and are going to keep republicans in office for a while to come.

[sensiskunk]

Tax cuts for the rich IS garbage, so why do u support it?? If you deny the fact that GW gives tax breaks to the rich, i dont know what the fuck to say to you, ITS TRUE. go look on every single news site there is, they will all say the same thing. Dam amsterdam, your in denial about everything, even your own party!

[amsterdam]

it is also a tax break on small buisness,the backbone of our economy.they grow,low and behold,so does the economy.if you dont have any money in the market right now you are missing out.

[sensiskunk]

dude, my dad owns a small business, probably bringing in $250,000 a year, he doesnt get tax breaks. Plus, my family has thousands of shares in the stock market, my grandpa just lost $100,000 because the stock market is shit rite now. The economy is failing, health care is insane, yet republicans cant seem to find a solution.

[bhallg2k]

it is also a tax break on small buisness,the backbone of our economy.they grow,low and behold,so does the economy.if you dont have any money in the market right now you are missing out.

Alot of people are too busy working a couple of really shitty jobs to make ends meet to play around in the market. Maybe they could've a few years ago before they were layed off or had their job outsourced thanks to W's increase in corporate welfare and weakening of corporate regulation. But not so much now.

By the way, the fact that people are working those crap jobs is why unemployment numbers look as good as they do. Data can be deceiving.

[amsterdam]

wow,your grandfather must not be to good at the market,myself and a few of my friends bought houses with the money we made in the market.

i worked for a travel company in minnesota(small buisness) they were only open because of the tax break they got?wierd.
i know we have a long way to go,but we cant seem to lose an election and with the list of possible opponents maxing out at hillary clinton,we will be here for a little while.

[sensiskunk]

You dont know what your talking about. My grandpa has been in the stock market for 50+ years, and I know stock brokers, and investors that also lost shit loads of money. If you had thousands of shares, you wouldve lost a lot of money as well. You and you friends probably made a cuple thousand dollars, my grandpa has made millions of dollars, so i think he knows more about stocks than you, smart guy!

[amsterdam]

keep telling yourself that?unemployment is lower than when your hero clinton was around.

i assume your one of the people that believe that W is the reason we went into a recession.lol.

[amsterdam]

so is home ownership.

[bhallg2k]

keep telling yourself that?unemployment is lower than when your hero clinton was around.

i assume your one of the people that believe that W is the reason we went into a recession.lol.

Do you have to try hard to be this ignorant? Or does it come naturally?

Of course unemployment is down! PRODUCTIVITY is up! When productivity (ie, the amount of work people do) numbers go up, unemployment figures fall. The numbers, however, do not address the fact that people are working more hours at more jobs for less money with fewer benefits.

And you bet your ass I blame the recession on W. When you relax corporate and SEC rules, allowing billionaires to steal corporate money thus affecting market value (Enron, WorldCom, Adelphia, Tyco, etc) and causing job loss (ie, decreased tax revenue) while at the same time giving away 1.7 TRILIION DOLLARS in tax breaks, in which 52% of the benefits go to the richest 1% of Americans, that causes deficits which cause recessions. Not to mention the fact that W's figures for Iraq and Afghanistan never make it into the budget. Ever. Congress has to add those expenditures on top of everything else.

IT'S W'S FAULT.

[sensiskunk]

I think it comes natural, or hes in hardcore denial.

[bhallg2k]

so is home ownership.

Home ownership is still riding on the Clinton-era, booming economy low interest rates. That number will fall too as soon as people with adjustable interest rate mortgages (almost all mortgages) start to see their payments increase.

[pisshead]

also, as far as i'm aware...the ways the numbers are figured...people with 2 jobs count as 2 people.

so real unemployment is actually much higher.

and W's just a government front man...he's not making decisions...he's reading teleprompters and listening to his earpiece. the time to bring down this country economically and socially is getting closer and closer...W just happens to be the moron in charge at the moment.

the next president, democrat or republican, will continue this agenda of selling out US sovereignty and bringing us closer to world government, open borders, pan american union currency, more unconstitutional treaties, world unelected dictatorship...America is being used as the strong arm to bring this control to the rest of the world not already under IMF/world bank control, and then we will be brought down.

according to CFR and TC people and magazines like foreign affairs...which usually predict which way the country will go well in advance.

[amsterdam]

you guys are totaly crazy!!the recession started during clintons watch.my liberal professors even knew that?c'mon.

[bhallg2k]

No, your liberal professors probably said the economy started to slow down under Clinton, which it did.

If you're sane, like I think I am, and you come into power with a slowing, but still robust economy, like W did, you don't go unbalancing the budget by giving away 1.7 trillion dollars. That's a sure way to turn a slow-down into a full-on recession, which is what he did.

[sensiskunk]

Wasnt W left with the biggest surplus in history ($470 Billion)?

[bhallg2k]

Right you are, my friend.

Record surplus to record deficit. All in one administration. Thanks, W!

As an aside, if you're gonna give away a tax break with the justification of a $470B surplus ("It's the people's money," as he so often liked to say), why not just make the tax break $470B instead of $1.7 trillion? I don't have an economics degree and I still understand that makes no sense.

[sensiskunk]

Wow, so we went from the biggest surplus in history, to the largest deficit in history, Geeze, W is doing a wonderful job!

[amsterdam]

life is rough.

[sensiskunk]

life is rough, lmao! I agree with ya, but cmon now, thats a horrible job as a president, spending over a Trillion Dollars. Under Bill Clintons budget plan, the US debt would be abolished by 2002-03(?), it had already been decreased from 4 Trillion, to 2 Trillion (roughly). Now were right back where we started under under GW senior.

[bhallg2k]

Your figures on Clinton's debt plan are pretty off, but you have the right idea. It still would've taken a decade, if not longer, to break even. But we were on the right track.

Yeah, I guess life is rough now.

[amsterdam]

clinton??hahaha.i wont even touch that.

[sensiskunk]

Ya, sry, i wasnt too sure bout the year. But im almost positive that my deficit numbers were correct, if not, pretty dam close. Shoulda looked it up first, lol.

Life is shitty, lol, jk!

[amsterdam]

im just not a doom and gloom kinda guy.

[nicholasstanko]

yeh you're just a flair without a care for anyone else as long as you're living pretty well kinda guy.

[bhallg2k]

I don't think of myself as a "doom and gloom" kinda guy, but I can understand how it could be seen that way. This president scares me and I guess that comes out in how I address these issues.

I don't have a problem with him as a person, I don't know the guy. I just see that he approaches issues from an ideological standpoint rather than one based on fact. And the man has no give whatsoever. It's his way or no way. That kind of boldness can be respected given the right circumstances. But if you're only trying to appease a certain segment of your party base or trying to advance an ideological agenda with little regard to well-established contrary fact, the unwillingness to bend is super dangerous.

That scares the shit out of me.

[pisshead]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
this comes to mind:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I did not speak out
because I was not a communist.

When they came for the social democrats,
I did not speak out
because I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists
I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews
I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew;

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

[U4EUH]

Apathy is lethal.

[amsterdam]

lets roll.

[Torog]

lets roll.
Howdy amsterdam,

Sounds like a plan to me !

Have a good one !

[amsterdam]

seriously,america is involved in a ruthless war that is going to take a while.we are gonna kill and maim alot of people,some of whom are innocent.thats war.we are gonna kill anyone who tries to stop us.

[sensiskunk]

lol, u sound like a terrorist man, "we are gonna kill anyone who tries to stop us". Thats probably why no one likes america, cuz we wanna go kill everybody for not thinkin like us. Terrorist's i can understand, but if you wanna go attacking Iran and North Korea because they oppose america, get ready for a shit storm of missiles.

[BlueCat]

Republicans are trying to use the "nuclear option" to seize absolute power and we all know the saying absolute power corrupts absolutely. They will appoint judges who will roll back years of progression protecting the people that keep this country running,the workers. Judge Janice brown is just one example with her extremist judicial philosophy that calls for courts to block congress in blocking things like guaranteed 40 hour work week,the minimum wage,The Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act. These judges have no regard to the future of our children, the middle class or the poor. We all know the nuclear option is a trick to eliminate the filibuster.One of the main arguments used by Bill cat killer Frist (google it) and other conservatives about employing the nuclear option to eliminate the filibuster of judicial nominees is that the Democratic use of the filibuster to oppose judicial nominations is unprecedented. He has called the use of the filibuster to oppose judicial nominees dangerous and radical. On his own website, there is a text of a speech he gave to the Federalist Society on November 11, 2004, where he said:
The Senate now faces a choice: either we accept a new and destructive practice, or we act to restore constitutional balance.
C. Boyden Gray, Chairman of the Committee for Justice, believes that the liberal's use of the filibuster to block judges violates the "constitutional principle of Separation of Powers. The Constitution grants the Executive primary power over judicial appointments while granting the Senate, as a body--not partisan factions within it--a check via majority vote. By altering that standard, the Senate Democrats are, in effect, arrogating power to the Senate from the Executive."
According to Gray, the liberal filibuster of judicial nominees "is absolutely unprecedented. Its history is two years old."
This is, simply put, A LIE. They are liars and they tells lies so much they think we are all dumb enough to believe them...well, are you?
On March 8, 2000, thirteen Senators, all of whom were Republicans, attempted to filibuster Marsha Berzon for U.S. Circuit judge. You can read the roll call vote right here. Eight of these Senators are currently in the United States Senate: Allard (CO), Brownback (KS), Bunning (KY), Craig (ID), DeWine (OH), Enzi (WY), Inhofe (OK) and Shelby (AL). None of these eight have expressed opposition to the elimination of judicial filibusters, a practice they themselves once tried to engage in. Later that same day, those same thirteen Senators, in addition to Senator Bill Frist, attempted to filibuster the nomination of Richard Paez to US Circuit Judge.
Conservatives know that there is a history of attempting to block judicial nominations through the use of the filibuster. They know this because some of them participated in such attempts. Bill Frist participated in one such attempt.
For Republicans, the real principle behind the attempt to destroy the filibuster for judicial nominees has nothing to do with the Constitution, it only has to do with winning and losing. It is, in short, a power grab. To control it all then they can fuck the future up for your kids....start wars to steal oil and kill off any animal if their habitat would make money...force their religion on others...take away your rights...have you read the Patriot act 2?

and this is for Amsterdam.....what has he done good? anything name it! oh and why aren't you over there fighting for your commander? and why is your name Amsterdam? You can fucking talk about killing people why aren't you there?

www.moveon.org please sign petition
thanks
Bluecat

[amsterdam]

if they provide support to terrorists than they are a target.i'm sure we already have a deep spy network and people are doing things we will never hear about to people that will never be seen again.i sleep better at night knowing that.

[BlueCat]

Republicans are trying to use the "nuclear option" to seize absolute power and we all know the saying absolute power corrupts absolutely. They will appoint judges who will roll back years of progression protecting the people that keep this country running,the workers. Judge Janice brown is just one example with her extremist judicial philosophy that calls for courts to block congress in blocking things like guaranteed 40 hour work week,the minimum wage,The Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act. These judges have no regard to the future of our children, the middle class or the poor. We all know the nuclear option is a trick to eliminate the filibuster.One of the main arguments used by Bill cat killer Frist (google it) and other conservatives about employing the nuclear option to eliminate the filibuster of judicial nominees is that the Democratic use of the filibuster to oppose judicial nominations is unprecedented. He has called the use of the filibuster to oppose judicial nominees dangerous and radical. On his own website, there is a text of a speech he gave to the Federalist Society on November 11, 2004, where he said:
The Senate now faces a choice: either we accept a new and destructive practice, or we act to restore constitutional balance.
C. Boyden Gray, Chairman of the Committee for Justice, believes that the liberal's use of the filibuster to block judges violates the "constitutional principle of Separation of Powers. The Constitution grants the Executive primary power over judicial appointments while granting the Senate, as a body--not partisan factions within it--a check via majority vote. By altering that standard, the Senate Democrats are, in effect, arrogating power to the Senate from the Executive."
According to Gray, the liberal filibuster of judicial nominees "is absolutely unprecedented. Its history is two years old."
This is, simply put, A LIE. They are liars and they tells lies so much they think we are all dumb enough to believe them...well, are you?
On March 8, 2000, thirteen Senators, all of whom were Republicans, attempted to filibuster Marsha Berzon for U.S. Circuit judge. You can read the roll call vote right here. Eight of these Senators are currently in the United States Senate: Allard (CO), Brownback (KS), Bunning (KY), Craig (ID), DeWine (OH), Enzi (WY), Inhofe (OK) and Shelby (AL). None of these eight have expressed opposition to the elimination of judicial filibusters, a practice they themselves once tried to engage in. Later that same day, those same thirteen Senators, in addition to Senator Bill Frist, attempted to filibuster the nomination of Richard Paez to US Circuit Judge.
Conservatives know that there is a history of attempting to block judicial nominations through the use of the filibuster. They know this because some of them participated in such attempts. Bill Frist participated in one such attempt.
For Republicans, the real principle behind the attempt to destroy the filibuster for judicial nominees has nothing to do with the Constitution, it only has to do with winning and losing. It is, in short, a power grab. To control it all then they can fuck the future up for your kids....start wars to steal oil and kill off any animal if their habitat would make money...force their religion on others...take away your rights...have you read the Patriot act 2?

and this is for Amsterdam.....what has he done good? anything name it! oh and why aren't you over there fighting for your commander? and why is your name Amsterdam?

www.moveon.org please sign petition
thanks
Bluecat

[BlueCat]

Bush-Clinton: What Went Wrong?

http://www.cato.org/dailys/11-13-96.html

[amsterdam]

alot of that stuff is wasted money anyway.

[BlueCat]

if they provide support to terrorists than they are a target.i'm sure we already have a deep spy network and people are doing things we will never hear about to people that will never be seen again.i sleep better at night knowing that.

well you are finally right.....there are people doing things we never hear about..they are called the CIA thanks to Gonzale and his new torture laws that protect us from getting in trouble.... they are kidknapping people they assume are quilty taking them to other countries like Saudi and torturing them.....then they say oh we did not know they would do that.... :rolleyes: That is against the Geneva Convention and international law but then you probably don't support either of those entities as well because Bush doesn't and he has you sheep well trained. Baaaaaaaaaaa

How good could you sleep at night if it were one of your family over in Iraq?
I notice you did not give me an answer...what has Bush done for you...since after all it is YOU that matters right?

Cat

[pisshead]

and what about the formerly named school of the americas?

talk about harboring and training terrorists...

http://www.soaw.org/new/

[Stedric]

Anybody else getting bored of this same argument over and over?

[BlueCat]

Anybody else getting bored of this same argument over and over?
evidently NOT the bombs are still going off...I'll shut up when the troops are home but I will take it else where :rolleyes: ....hmmmmm so guess what? i got a new kitten :D .....can you post photos on this message board?
Cat

[Stedric]

What I meant was this is another variant of the Republican/Liberal Pinko Commie argument.

[amsterdam]

well you are finally right.....there are people doing things we never hear about..they are called the CIA thanks to Gonzale and his new torture laws that protect us from getting in trouble.... they are kidknapping people they assume are quilty taking them to other countries like Saudi and torturing them.....then they say oh we did not know they would do that.... :rolleyes: That is against the Geneva Convention and international law but then you probably don't support either of those entities as well because Bush doesn't and he has you sheep well trained. Baaaaaaaaaaa

How good could you sleep at night if it were one of your family over in Iraq?
I notice you did not give me an answer...what has Bush done for you...since after all it is YOU that matters right?

Cat


first and most importantly,the geneva convention DOES NOT APPLY TO THESE PEOPLE WETHER YOU WANT IT TO OR NOT.

my 20 year old cousin terry from new york is in iraq?he loves it there.the guy is a trained killer and im glad we have people like him there.

i could care less where we send people.i could care less what we do to those people.

[amsterdam]

well you are finally right.....there are people doing things we never hear about..they are called the CIA thanks to Gonzale and his new torture laws that protect us from getting in trouble.... they are kidknapping people they assume are quilty taking them to other countries like Saudi and torturing them.....then they say oh we did not know they would do that.... :rolleyes: That is against the Geneva Convention and international law but then you probably don't support either of those entities as well because Bush doesn't and he has you sheep well trained. Baaaaaaaaaaa

How good could you sleep at night if it were one of your family over in Iraq?
I notice you did not give me an answer...what has Bush done for you...since after all it is YOU that matters right?

Cat

you should be one of those funny human shields.

pracilla owen to get a vote today!!you scared yet?hahahahawe are coming for you.

[amsterdam]

its a red country kiddo's.

[BlueCat]

Strange.....the color of communism.....yes it suits you

[amsterdam]

communism??what the hell are you talking about??its a red country because only people in new york and LA and a few places in the midwest vote for dems any more.

[BlueCat]

thats the real problem Ammy you don't know what I am talking about....who just bought out our highest technology (lucent), who is buying up about everthing in our country....Who owns BANK OF AMERICA? Find me something in Walmart that is MADE IN AMERICA....
whhere did all american textiles companies jusr move to? You don't have a clue....
why is this OK...as far as the gov. goes because the BUSH 2% are going to make money on the cheap labor they get by moving to China, The US will get cheap goods but won't have a job to make the money to buy them with....In the mean time they could economically crush our country...They even said so when they were pissed off about the US going to start selling weapons to Japan again....you should go read the Xinhua News sometimes...it is pretty interesting... Bush has got everyone watching everything but what they should be....smoke and mirrors, Ammy.....your a true red. Enjoy it while you can...

[amsterdam]

have you seen the lines of people in those countries of people looking for work?the jobs pay really good for those folks.

[sensiskunk]

Jobs pay really good huh?? I jus read that the overseas jobs dont get paid half wat they do here. They are waiting in line because they are desperate for work, they dont care about the shitty pay. Why do u think the countries send jobs overseas? Ill tell you, because they pay WAY less, and most of the workers are better qualified than american workers. So they get better workers, for a much cheaper price. Really good pay, lmao, they make like 11,000 a year, that must be awesome!! Really good pay is like an 80K salary, but thats my opinion. Where do u get your information from "amsterdam", or do u just make it up?

[pisshead]

i've never once seem him post a link to anything.

[sensiskunk]

He must have the same information source as GW, lol. Once all the liberals prove him wrong, he'll say "my information was faulty", or some other lame bs. It seems like he reads something, and then completely changes it around, most likely intentional too. Republicans literally have NO common sense, and they have the most adverse stereotypes ever, its insane. Its like they have no brains, which correlates with the inability to think maturely, and indepedently.

[BlueCat]

Poor Ammy the more I read your posts the more I feel sorry for you...You might try turning off the PC and watching C-span a few nights....Our country is approaching rubicon, economically. There will be no fixing it if people don't stop watching the smoke screens and wake up....NAM was just on last night saying the Chinese are faking the value of their money to keep things cheaper than ANYONE can build them. THey are building AT COST and below...the WTO agreements are not being inforced and our country is shutting down How old are you? If are you an old man this out of touch... our country really is fucked. I hope young people are paying attention it is all that will save us.

[amsterdam]

Jobs pay really good huh?? I jus read that the overseas jobs dont get paid half wat they do here. They are waiting in line because they are desperate for work, they dont care about the shitty pay. Why do u think the countries send jobs overseas? Ill tell you, because they pay WAY less, and most of the workers are better qualified than american workers. So they get better workers, for a much cheaper price. Really good pay, lmao, they make like 11,000 a year, that must be awesome!! Really good pay is like an 80K salary, but thats my opinion. Where do u get your information from "amsterdam", or do u just make it up?


still,they pay more.

[pisshead]

i'm not even a liberal, he's just basically your typical citizen of an empire, blind to everything but the left/right world he's had thrown in his face since he was born.

it takes form over substance.

i hear nothing when it comes out weeks later when whatever the government said a few weeks ago to boost everyone's love for war turns out to be false...we caught this #2 guy! look! there he is...see! we're making progress!

a few weeks later, oh he was some tinpot loser who couldn't even light his shoe on fire...then people don't care. they still act like what they were first told is true...


pat tillman died bravely in battle fighting terrorists! whoa! he was actually on the tail of bin laden himself!

oh shit, sorry, we lied, he was shot by another friendly soldier. oops. they milk the lies for all they're worth, knowing they're telling lies, then reveal later it was a lie...and no one cares.


that, along with coming out ahead of a story, focusing on some minute issue, use the buzzwords conspiracy theory to reinforce in peoples' minds that there's no way the loving government would lie...then they discredit any real information about whatever they were talking about.

FOX and CNN do this, it caters to both sides.



this is called doublethink, and our government didn't invent it. it's also called propaganda, and governments using this sophisticated level of propaganda as ours, after thousands of years of perfecting it...should be a great cause for concern...it never ends in more freedom.

it's not even that sophisticated, just effective.

i can't stress enough how hard and fast this constitutional republic is dying...things have happened so incrementally...look at the level of control and loss of overall privacy we've had in 50 years...the same companies and families in power that funded and aided some of the most vicious recent dictators, are helping along our new freedom.

America will be a third world dictatorship in 20 years.

[sensiskunk]

I completely agree with you BlueCat, it is really up to us young ppl to get involved. We are the ones that are gonna suffer because of whats happening now. Im only 18, and im scared of what is to come of the US. My whole family is concerned, and if things get worse, which im sure it will, we are planning to move to europe. Seems only the democrats REALLY care about this country, because we are actually adressing the real issues, ie: environment, health care, economy, homeland security etc... If you really cared about this country, you would question GW's leadership, and congress's ability to do the right thing for the younger generation, which is what US stands for rite? How can there be an "American Dream", when congress is destroying this country. The ability to question and fight wrong and indecisive decisions is true patriotism!

[sensiskunk]

still,they pay more.
LMFAO, i love this guy!

[amsterdam]

your an idiot if you believe that silly bullshit your head is filled with.how do you even respond to something so far out there.seek help pisshead.it appears you have gone from a right wing nut to a total quack.believe me,i know the govt. is fucked up,but you take things to a boring place.we arent going anywhere,that should really scare you.america is gonna be here for a long,long,long, time.enough time to really fuck shit up!hohohohohahahahaha!!

[pisshead]

you have nothing to worry about, you're a mindless boot licker...as long as you go along with the system, you'll be fine.

i know though you'll one day realize what system it is you're serving.

what i said was not unprecedented in history.


Letâ??s remember the words of Russian dissident Solzhenitsyn, writing in The Gulag Archipelago:

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?

The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalinâ??s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

pick up a history book, unless you're one of those "it could never happen here" people.

[amsterdam]

i promise i am not a "it cant happen person",but "it isnt happening."

[BlueCat]

there are a lot of people listening...the GOP was brilliant in it's media takeover I have to admit that...they copied Hitler almost to the letter...

I have met a lot of young people that know whats going on....

I am leaving as well though....

All you can do is talk to people and keep them talking.

Ammy I have met your kind before on other blogs...you say whatever it takes to piss people off....you never listen to reason... you troll for anger.....
I don't feed Trolls..you're on your own

Peace
Cat

[amsterdam]

I completely agree with you BlueCat, it is really up to us young ppl to get involved. We are the ones that are gonna suffer because of whats happening now. Im only 18, and im scared of what is to come of the US. My whole family is concerned, and if things get worse, which im sure it will, we are planning to move to europe. Seems only the democrats REALLY care about this country, because we are actually adressing the real issues, ie: environment, health care, economy, homeland security etc... If you really cared about this country, you would question GW's leadership, and congress's ability to do the right thing for the younger generation, which is what US stands for rite? How can there be an "American Dream", when congress is destroying this country. The ability to question and fight wrong and indecisive decisions is true patriotism!


you were RAISED with that train of thought son.you never had a chance to make up your mind.your mommy and daddy taught and told you what you now believe to be the proper ways.if you really believe only democrats have the answers you are a true moron.im a republican and i know the republicans dont have all the answers.it just so happens that your party has no real leaders and no real outlook in the near elections.

good luck in europe,dont let the door hit you on the way out.

[pisshead]

well, your words alone don't really do it for me. but thanks.

i've invested too much time reading dozens of books (pre-internet before you resort to that ad hominem attack) and studying world events and history and reading newswires for your words to override any of it.

nice try though.

[BlueCat]

when was the last time you read a WS journal, Ammy? If you are paying attention at all how can you say it is not happening?

the industry that makes 99% of the dashboards for Hummer and all the boats in this country is about to be taken over by a chinese company...thats just one of 1000s of takeovers going on...wake up...
do you really think the Government cared that much about that right to die case? those cases go on everyday...It was a smoke screen to cover what is happening economically...just as the war is...

[BlueCat]

me too...PH, man I have a hardtime with your name...
I have followed this so closely, the Bushes since the gulf war... and it gets to a point you think this really can't be happening but the more you check the facts the clearer it becomes...

[pisshead]

yeah, if you have aol instant messenger...if you have that...

i can send you some videos and stuff that show urban warfare training drills that have been going on around the country for about a decade. there's some from the late 90's...before 9/11, training for things like rounding people up and processing them into camps, guarding these camps, using neighborhood kids in conjunction with the military to spy on neighbors and point out the ones that have guns for gun confiscation, mass gun confiscation (hmmm, why do they want your guns before putting you in a camp?)...the military searching vehicles...using foreign troops to do this too.

these situations will slowly be placed more in the public mainstream, as propaganda, to acclimate people to accept this level of martial law, as necessary to protect us from the terrorists.


this same thing has gone on from california to maryland...the stuff with using the kids is what the nazis did...

just do google searches for 'operation urban warrior' or 'urban warfare'...

but i can send you some videos with some really shocking stuff about the subversion of our country.


i came up with the name about 8 or 9 years ago when i was a freshman or so in highschool...i was so pissed off about having to try so many different user names because all the ones i tried were all picked...so i came up with that...i vaguely remember it.

but i just kept it.

[sensiskunk]

you were RAISED with that train of thought son.you never had a chance to make up your mind.your mommy and daddy taught and told you what you now believe to be the proper ways.if you really believe only democrats have the answers you are a true moron.im a republican and i know the republicans dont have all the answers.it just so happens that your party has no real leaders and no real outlook in the near elections.

good luck in europe,dont let the door hit you on the way out.
You know nothing, and you have proven it time and time again. My parents never encouraged my train of thought, i base that on COMMON SENSE. My whole life, ive been traveling, i rarely ever spent time with my parents. I NEVER ONCE SAID DEMOCRATS HAVE 'ALL' THE ANSWERS. You assume too much, and know too little. Your just another fish in the pond waiting to get fed some BS. BlueCat is rite, you just try to piss ppl off because your a loser. Dont call me son bitch, your an illiterate moron, and you dont have half the potential I do, you quaker. Why dont you try being a real man, and stop being a little pussy tryin to get ppl mad by questioning their intelligence. I am wealthier than you, smarter than you, get more pussy than you do, grow better chronic than you do, and Im not a lil bitch like YOU! You cant get in a real debate, because you dont know shit, you always resort to name calling, which shows your an immature, pathetic loser.

[BlueCat]

I don't have AOL I have MSN but I have seen a film from the one in Georgia...and a few of the training facility in Alaska..
what are the names of the ones you are talking about?

Cat

[pisshead]

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/video_other.html

the police state series...and 9/11 the road to tyranny...

there are other good ones there too.

[sensiskunk]

amsterdam's new name is "Amster-the-Hamster", because he eats all the BS that the republican party feeds him. He is not worthy of the name amsterdam, nor is he worthy of being a cannabis smoker!

[BlueCat]

Amster-the-Hamster....I love it...not really fair to the hamsters though :D

thanks for the link PH.. :)

Cat

[sensiskunk]

LMAO BC, no that isnt fair at all, lol!

[Funken Monken]

I believe that study is BS. The state as a whole didn't all take IQ tests, not to mention IQ tests are bias. Different people have different opinions is all that leads up to Red/Blue states.

The study that you are referencing is posted on mindfully.org - non profit (so non buyable) organistaion.
IO numbers are from IQ And The Wealth Of Nations, although not in the current edition. Tests and data by Raven's APT, and The Test Agency, one of the UK's leading publishers and distributors of psychometric tests. Data were published in The Economist and the St Petersburg.
There's another part referencing SAT averages as part of the scale.

"I'm not sure in the light of the last four years whether the Bush team have got the skills to heal a divided America.

"Not only do we have a divided America but also we have a president who is highly polarising in his approach to world politics"

FORMER FOREIGN SECRETARY, ROBIN COOK

[amsterdam]

amsterdam's new name is "Amster-the-Hamster", because he eats all the BS that the republican party feeds him. He is not worthy of the name amsterdam, nor is he worthy of being a cannabis smoker!

the same could be same for you couldnt it??

liberal-the thought process that there is one set of rules for you,and another,completely different set of rules for everyone else.

you are the prime example.now go listen to mommy and daddy.

now run along.