in 20 years has there been ANY solid liberal policies?

[amsterdam]

just curious.

and please no one say affirmative action cause even blacks dont like that one. :D

[amsterdam]

i couldnt think of anything either.i guess thats why the liberal philosophy of life is dying(slowly).what a relief.

Republicans for Hillary in '08.

[amsterdam]

i didnt think anyone could name any.lol.

[fuzzyblue]

uuuummm...rrrriiiiggghhhttttt

[sensiskunk]

come to think of it, i cant recollect any 'solid' political policy, republican, or democrat.

[amsterdam]

like i said,no one named any.lol.

[amsterdam]

really!no one named a single one.no wonder people laugh at them.

[sensiskunk]

lol, i didnt name any because its pointless. You would try and deny anything that a liberal tells you, whether it be true or not. So before u get all uppity because no liberal named a 'policy', i suggest you take a long hard look at your party before discriminating another. And btw, no one replied because this thread is retarded.

[amsterdam]

i know republicans have done ALOT of stupid shit.i dont support hardly any neo-con issue.i also disagree with bush on plenty of issues.

i just dont know why anyone would be a liberal or a democrat.

[sensiskunk]

Well, i dont know why anyone would be a conservative or republican. Im not sayin either party is perfect, and im not saying democrats dont make mistakes, because i would be lying. I agree more with democrat issues than i do with republican issues, primarily why i am democrat.

[amsterdam]

well your party is dying slowly.

[pisshead]

i'm not a republicrat or a demopublican...

but i see george bush only increasing funding and expanding any socialist program bill clinton had.

george bush makes bill clinton look like the radical fiscal conservative.

[Kombucha]

Why the hell are there so many damned conservatives on here? Do you even know what "liberal" means? It means someone who is tolerant of new ideas and is happy to change. "Conservative" means someone who is opposed to change. What kind of idiot is automatically opposed to change?

What kind of people do you think founded America? They clearly weren't conservatives.
And then who made slavery illegal? Not conservatives.
Who allowed women's rights and racial equality? Not conservatives.
And do you really think republicans or conservatives are going to legalise weed? They wont even legalise bloody evolution.

[easyg]

They wont even legalise bloody evolution.


:D

anyone see the news reports about that crackpot christian themepark :eek:

[Kombucha]

No, but it sounds hilarious... can you explain?

[easyg]

actually I've found another one as well....

Dinosaur Adventure Land (http://www.dinosauradventureland.com/kidos/index.html)

Since 2001 Dinosaur Adventure Land has been a place where families can come to learn about God's Creation through science and the bible. DAL is comprised of a 3 story Science Center, Creation Museum, and Theme Park, making it fun for all ages, and one of the most amazing Creation Parks in the world. Our goal is to win souls to Christ, by giving everyone another choice. You can believe that you came from a rock, or you can believe that a loving God created you for a purpose.

The Holy Land Experience (http://www.theholylandexperience.com/home.html)

The Holy Land Experience is a living, biblical history museum that takes you 7,000 miles away and 3,000 years back in time to the land of the Bible. Its unique combination of sights, sounds, and tastes stimulate your senses and blend together to create a spectacular, new experience. But above all, beyond the fun and excitement, it is our sincere hope that you will see God and His Word exalted â?? that you will be encouraged in your search for enduring truth and the ultimate meaning of life. The Holy Land Experience is a Bible-believing, Christ-centered ministry.

but not everyone is happy (clappy)... (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/62/story_6230_1.html)

[easyg]

mind you...we shouldn't laugh.... (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1544218,00.html)

:eek:

[amsterdam]

Why the hell are there so many damned conservatives on here? Do you even know what "liberal" means? It means someone who is tolerant of new ideas and is happy to change. "Conservative" means someone who is opposed to change. What kind of idiot is automatically opposed to change?

What kind of people do you think founded America? They clearly weren't conservatives.
And then who made slavery illegal? Not conservatives.
Who allowed women's rights and racial equality? Not conservatives.
And do you really think republicans or conservatives are going to legalise weed? They wont even legalise bloody evolution.


lincoln was a republican.

[Kombucha]

lincoln was a republican.

Yeah, but if he wanted to do something as dramatic as abolish slavery, he couldn't have been a real conservative, simply because a real conservative wouldn't believe in major changes.

As for the Christian theme park...


The complex would offer visitors the chance to slide down the Tower of Babel... children would also have the experience of expulsion from the Garden of Eden...

[amsterdam]

whatever,he was still republican.

[Kombucha]

I'm not talking about republicans vs. democrats, I'm talking about conservatives vs. liberals.

[amsterdam]

lincoln was a moderate conservative.liberalism was still in france.

[easyg]

is old Dutch saying owt worth reading?

[amsterdam]

still,not a single solid liberal policy in 20 years.amazing.

[bhallg2k]

Hell, I can't think of any policy in the last 20 years that I would consider "solid."

Liberals are going to say that conservative ideas are crap, just as conservatives would say liberal ideas are wrong. And Democrats are going to say that Republican legislative efforts have watered down and changed liberal policies before they could ever be law, just like Republicans would when the roles are reversed.

This is a dumb question.

[pisshead]

yeah, and as if behind the scenes there's some rivalry between republicrats and demopublicans...they're all the same, most of them rather.

[amsterdam]

likie i said.none.

[Kombucha]

Shut up.

[mellow mood]

well both are stupid, thats all i can say

[GHoSToKeR]

'blah blah blah' - is that what you hear when other people talk, amsterdam?

[BlueCat]

Income inequality is substantially correlated to most of society's problems. Two studies -- one by Harvard, the other by Berkeley -- those are schools...LMAO sorry ...measured income inequality in all 50 states. They found that states with greater income inequality suffered from all of the following problems:
Higher death rates for all age groups.
Higher rates of homicide.
Higher rates of violent crime.
Higher costs per person for police protection.
Higher rates of incarceration.
Higher rates of unemployment.
A higher percentage of people receiving income assistance and food stamps.
More high-school dropouts.
Less state funds spent per person on education.
Fewer books per person in the schools.
Poorer educational performance, including worse reading skills, worse math skills. Unless the Gov/Bush flubs the test records like he did in Texas..google it
Higher infant mortality rates.

In every year since 1958, America's infant mortality rate improved, or at least held steady. But in 2002, hmmmm wonder why? it got worse: 7 babies died for each thousand live births, while that rate was 6.8 deaths the year before.
Those numbers, buried in a recent report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, didn't get much attention. But they are part of a pattern of recent statistics dribbling out of the federal government suggesting that for those on the bottom in America, life in our new Gilded Age is getting crueler.


Higher heart disease.
Higher cancer rates. Less environmental laws...
A greater percentage of people without medical insurance.
A greater proportion of babies born with low birth weight.

A higher proportion of the population using tobacco. A higher proportion of the population being sedentary (inactive).

Higher costs per-person for medical care.

Percent of population covered by public health care:lets look....

France, Austria 99%
Switzerland, Spain, Belgium 98%
Germany 92%
Netherlands 77%
United States 40%

Children under the poverty level: this is disgusting...

United States 22.4%
Canada 15.5
United Kingdom 9.3
Switzerland 7.8
Sweden 5.0
Germany 4.9
Norway 4.8

Deaths from malnutrition (per million):

Men Women
United States 7 13
France 4 9
Canada 5 7
Japan 2 1
United Kingdom 1 2
Norway 0 1

Liberals have voted to increase the minimum wage...BTW the judge Bush just pushed through opposes the minimum wage all together...
Liberals are pro-union, and did you not hear them screaming when Bush was cutting medical care to the poor or cutting funds to head start?
Liberals are pro education...Bush has made the largest education cuts in history...
remember the tax cuts for the rich by the GOP and welfare cuts but hey Paris Hilton won't have to pay any tax when she gets her inheritance...now theres something good conservatives did!
Liberals have fought the tobacco lobby...Conservatives love phillip morris and their party donations


Next Question........

[BlueCat]

'blah blah blah' - is that what you hear when other people talk, amsterdam?


no no its Baa Baa that's the sound sheeple make..... :D

[BlueCat]

'blah blah blah' - is that what you hear when other people talk, amsterdam?


no no its Baa Baa that's the sound the sheeple hear..... :D

[Kombucha]

You can edit posts you know...

And Blue Cat, good post before, but anyone stupid enough to believe Conservative = always right, Liberal = always wrong, with have neither the reading skills nor the attention span needed to read your post.

[amsterdam]

Income inequality is substantially correlated to most of society's problems. Two studies -- one by Harvard, the other by Berkeley -- those are schools...LMAO sorry ...measured income inequality in all 50 states. They found that states with greater income inequality suffered from all of the following problems:
Higher death rates for all age groups.
Higher rates of homicide.
Higher rates of violent crime.
Higher costs per person for police protection.
Higher rates of incarceration.
Higher rates of unemployment.
A higher percentage of people receiving income assistance and food stamps.
More high-school dropouts.
Less state funds spent per person on education.
Fewer books per person in the schools.
Poorer educational performance, including worse reading skills, worse math skills. Unless the Gov/Bush flubs the test records like he did in Texas..google it
Higher infant mortality rates.

In every year since 1958, America's infant mortality rate improved, or at least held steady. But in 2002, hmmmm wonder why? it got worse: 7 babies died for each thousand live births, while that rate was 6.8 deaths the year before.
Those numbers, buried in a recent report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, didn't get much attention. But they are part of a pattern of recent statistics dribbling out of the federal government suggesting that for those on the bottom in America, life in our new Gilded Age is getting crueler.


Higher heart disease.
Higher cancer rates. Less environmental laws...
A greater percentage of people without medical insurance.
A greater proportion of babies born with low birth weight.

A higher proportion of the population using tobacco. A higher proportion of the population being sedentary (inactive).

Higher costs per-person for medical care.

Percent of population covered by public health care:lets look....

France, Austria 99%
Switzerland, Spain, Belgium 98%
Germany 92%
Netherlands 77%
United States 40%

Children under the poverty level: this is disgusting...

United States 22.4%
Canada 15.5
United Kingdom 9.3
Switzerland 7.8
Sweden 5.0
Germany 4.9
Norway 4.8

Deaths from malnutrition (per million):

Men Women
United States 7 13
France 4 9
Canada 5 7
Japan 2 1
United Kingdom 1 2
Norway 0 1

Liberals have voted to increase the minimum wage...BTW the judge Bush just pushed through opposes the minimum wage all together...
Liberals are pro-union, and did you not hear them screaming when Bush was cutting medical care to the poor or cutting funds to head start?
Liberals are pro education...Bush has made the largest education cuts in history...
remember the tax cuts for the rich by the GOP and welfare cuts but hey Paris Hilton won't have to pay any tax when she gets her inheritance...now theres something good conservatives did!
Liberals have fought the tobacco lobby...Conservatives love phillip morris and their party donations


Next Question........


its always somebody elses fault.

affirmative action is a great program too!!black people love it!!

[BlueCat]

and please no one say affirmative action cause even blacks dont like that one

affirmative action is a great program too!!black people love it!!

Tell me are you black? I would not begin to know myself how all black people feel...

[amsterdam]

my best friend and his family are all black,they hate it.

byron got into a prep school with affirmative action,he was embarassed by this.did he need another break to get into princeton?to get a job?another to get a promotion?

he says black people were given a break,now they have to compete on their own merit.

not to mention that affirmative action does nothing to fight discrimination.consider the scenarios.a white guy and a black guy apply for a job.the black guy is better qualified,the white guy gets the job.thats racial discrimination.the second scenario.a white guy and a black guy apply for a job.the white guy is better qualified,the black guy gets the job.THATS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

now,in what sense is the second result a remedy for the first?it is not.all i see is two instances of racial discrimination.

[amsterdam]

and yes,my grandfather on my dads side was half black(you couldnt tell looking at me)from the dutch west indies island of aruba.

[amsterdam]

like i said,all you little liberals never came up with even 1 solid liberal idea in about a week and a half.lol.

[BlueCat]

like i said,all you little liberals never came up with even 1 solid liberal idea in about a week and a half.lol.

well I have heard pros and cons on affirmative action...it helps a lot of kids that would not get into school....I know racism still exist and is extremely bad in the south. Until that form of ignorance is gone we may have to keep afirmative action type programs in place...I know Jesse Jackson supports it and I like him....I cannot make a judgement on the examples I know and the few you give...I like research but that is not one I want to tackle at the moment. The economy and politics keep me busy enough. So I will reserve judement where I am completely illiterate... :) you might try that sometime....kidding :)
I like your new avatar BTW...
Cat

[amsterdam]

i know there are alot of places in the south that are racist,and that is sad.but its life.racism exists everywhere.

as for your jesse jackson comments i vomit.talk about a scum bag.i dont even use the word that describes him.

[Kombucha]

Amsterdam, what exactly do you mean by a "liberal policy...?"

Do all liberals have some ESP link that decides on something they're all going to believe in?

There is only one similiarity between all liberals, and that is a willingness to consider new ideas. No "policies."

[amsterdam]

if you dont know what a liberal policy is dont answer the question.

[Kombucha]

Ok, let me clarify my last post. Obviously the miniscule amount of subtlety I used slipped past you.

There is NO SUCH THING as a "Liberal Policy." It is like saying "White Policy" or "Brown haired Policy." Liberals do not all communicate with each other to develop ideas and policies.

[amsterdam]

then what is moveon.org?

what is the DNC?its a group of radical 60's politicians who get together to discuss liberal ideas.

now the question.has there EVER been any well used liberal ideas in foreign policy?

[Kombucha]

Moveon.org is a website...

Just because they are liberals, it doesn't mean that they apply to all liberals.

How about the current referendum in the Netherlands to decide whether they will accept the European constitution?

[BlueCat]

As for liberal policies...no matter how much info I give you, it seems to go over your head...so lets just look at your name....Amsterdam...it is liberal policy that has legalized weed and euthanasia in that country....you are so conservative in the way you post...I wonder why did you choose the name amsterdam? It does not suit you at all...

Oh and have a nice trip...don't forget those cuban cigars now... :)

Cat

[amsterdam]

because i lived in amsterdam for two years with my fathers family.thats why?im sorry it isnt to your standards.but thats to bad.

like i said no one can name a single liberal policy the UNITED STATES has used that have proven positive for the people here or anywhere.(and the murder of 30 million unborn whatever you want to call them dosent count,any way you look at abortion,its disgusting)

[Kombucha]

So it's the United States now is it? You don't like the way people have told you liberal policies from other countries?

What about invading Iraq? That's making changes, so it can be seen as liberal.

[Funken Monken]

(and the murder of 30 million unborn whatever you want to call them dosent count,any way you look at abortion,its disgusting)


Abslutely ill-founded sound byte type response there Amsterdam. Dont get me started on the big 'A' debate again, but get your facts straight, and quit spouting utter shit like that.

[Kombucha]

I don't see how you can count aborting a zygote that's been around for 2 days as murder.

[amsterdam]

dosent take away from the truth.look,im pro-choice,but abortion is a brutal practice..

[amsterdam]

call a fetus whatever helps your mind justify.

[Funken Monken]

dosent take away from the truth.look,im pro-choice,but abortion is a brutal practice..


Sounds like you are familiar with the procedures in question.

What part EXACTLY is it you are referencing?

[amsterdam]

the entire practice of abortion,its disgusting.even a pro choice person has to admit abortion is barbaric.

[Funken Monken]

So you dont know whats involved then? Sorry, but you just avoided answering a closed question.

[amsterdam]

it isnt a complicated topic.

[Funken Monken]

Wrong.
Are you a midwife Amsterdam?
Do you work in a clinic?
Are you aware of the 8 possible prcedures that can be used in termination?
Do you know how non-invasive / invasive they are?

What I'm trying to get you to explain is the part that is a 'brutal practise'. Emotive shit like that is what makes this debate so problematic.

While I applaud you for being pro-choice, and will agree that the realit of it is not pleasant, 'brutal practise' is an unfounded misnomer, and shows the level of ignorance prevailant about this topic. Ignoreance only furtherd by failing to answer closed questions.

[amsterdam]

i think this post has been here for the 2 weeks!

im sorry i didnt use the exact words you libs prefer,but for the record,nobody could think of a single policy,law,foreign or domestic,that has proven positive in any way.none,zippo,nada.lol.

this post is done.

[Funken Monken]

Expertly dodged again. Why dont you ever come into the chat room?

[amsterdam]

NAME ONE??

[amsterdam]

boy,i really thought all you people who seem to believe you are smarter than everyone else because you live in a different area would be able to come up with at least one.maybe make one up.i think the only one who did was blue cat,and she was talking about a DIFFERENT COUNTRY.always good for a laugh.work with us now,or for us later.

[Funken Monken]

work with us now,or for us later.

In your dreams buddy.

[amsterdam]

wish?look around you sometime.

[Kombucha]

So killing a 2 day old zygote is murder? What about eggs and sperm? Should every one of them be used? At 2 days, there is nothing even close to a human there. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with abortion in many circumstances, but it's not clear cut.

And "zygote" isn't a foetus, it is the first cell or cells that have not become specialised. A foetus is when it starts to became human shaped.

[amsterdam]

i understand what you mean and i undrestand your view.i doubt we disagree on much.

no matter when it happens(2 days or 3 months) it is a sad thing.thats all i mean.

i choose not to think about anything after 6 months.i dont think the govt should ever tell a women she cant have an abortion,but how a person could have an abortion after 6 months is beyond me.if she can live with that than fine.but i couldnt.just thinking about it turns my stomach.

have you ever watched a partial birth abortion on video and seen what it is and how they preform them?you can watch it on the ultra sound machine.i bet you have never seen anything like that.the baby actually tries to get away.i will never forget it.

[pisshead]

the doctors who perform partial birth abortions have to be truly fucked in the head.

[amsterdam]

i cant even begin to imagine.

[Kombucha]

I can't say I know enough about it, but some of the methods of abortion used aren't very nice. As for abortion after 6 months, I completely disagree with that, but as far as I know it's not allowed. Maybe under extreme circumstances it might be allowed, but it certainly isn't allowed most of the time here anyway.

But if someone gets pregnant by accident and finds out 2 day later, I don't have a problem with abortion in those circumstances.

[Funken Monken]

the doctors who perform partial birth abortions have to be truly fucked in the head.

They are. I've met a few. Not relegious people on the whole

[Funken Monken]

wish?look around you sometime.


I do, every day, and the worlds so unlike the way you describe I can only conclude that you are either asleep, mad, or just misguided.

Grip, buddy. Get one.

[Kombucha]

the doctors who perform partial birth abortions have to be truly fucked in the head.

The same goes for a few jobs actually. Like working in a slaughterhouse.

It's hard to tell if they get the job because they're fucked in the head, or they're fucked in the head because they've got the job.

The worst ones are the ones that have a horrible job, but are still completely sane. That just sounds like an evil person to me.

[Stedric]

I can think of several. Welfare, rehabilitation-based drug policies, gay rights, racial equality measures, and free health care have all been left wing based policies.

Liberals aren't perfect, but keep your own opinions and I'll keep mine.

[BlueCat]

ok Amster you have been given countless examples of changes that came about as a result of liberal policy but you continue to ignore it. the right for you to get a job and not be desciminated against based on your sex,race or color was brought about by liberal policy, the disabilities act was liberal policy, the fact that you have a minimum wage or that you get paid overtime for working over 40 hours a week is liberal policy, which btw, YOUR conservative party is trying to do away.

I am beginning to think your brain lacks the capacity to UNDERSTAND liberal policy.

[BlueCat]

As for abortion...again you are wrong not ALL liberals are for abortion...I am a liberal..I think both the Pro choicers and Pro lifers are dumb asses. Neither side will give an inch. THe pro-choicers don't want ANY laws when it comes to abortion which is stupid becuase we spend thousands keeping a premmie baby weighing less than a pound alive but ELECT to kill a baby of the same size...Abortion should not be used as birth control and my tax dollar should not be used to pay for it. There should be laws to regulate abortion and it should be regulated according to scientific advances. If a baby is viable outside the womb at 30 weeks gestation then that should be the cut off. If ever we advance to the point we can bring a baby to full term inside a petri dish then make it illegal.
As for the pro lifers...they will never compromise...they refuse to allow legislation to allow rape victims to be OFFERED the day after pill in the ER. Women should have access to this pill should they have unprotected sex. It would prevent of 2 and 3rd trimester abortions as well if it were easy to get. As easy as viagra is for men!
Pro-lifers are equally as stupid when it comes to frozen embros...there are 400,000 of them. they will only keep for so long...are there 400,000 parents lined up to adopt them?....where will they go if not to science? THE TRASH..it is ok to throw them away but not use them to cure disease?
Science should dictate law not either of these groups and thats from the mouth of a LIBERAL. oh and another liberal policy: to provide sex education and pregnancy prevention to schools- the conservative policy? Abstinence...LMAO oh thats gonna work...
Liberal policy: to provide birth control to 3rd world countries to prevent population overgrowth, starvation and limit the spread of AIDS. Conservative policy? Let them die.

Cat

[Euphoric]

i want to program my own republican! :D

[Kombucha]

That's too complex Euphoric, you give them that much circuitry and they'll begin to think for themselves! Just get a shitty chip, fry it, then wave flags and sing the star spangled banner a lot, then you'll have yourself a Republican.

[BlueCat]

That's too complex Euphoric, you give them that much circuitry and they'll begin to think for themselves! Just get a shitty chip, fry it, then wave flags and sing the star spangled banner a lot, then you'll have yourself a Republican.


Don't forget to thump your bible :)

[Psycho4Bud]

the right for you to get a job and not be desciminated against based on your sex,race or color was brought about by liberal policy.

The Dems did that! Great!!! Such a treat to be a white male these days thanks to that one. Had a job recruiter in a plant in town here say "Sorry, white male no vet status...no job!" Hell, big deal...after all my father worked there for 30 years and my grandfather 25 years of service before and during that. But I'm not colored nor do I have tits or a military record. GOOOOOD reasons to keep me out of a job that runs back with 55 years of family history! :mad:

[Kombucha]

The Dems did that! Great!!! Such a treat to be a white male these days thanks to that one. Had a job recruiter in a plant in town here say "Sorry, white male no vet status...no job!" Hell, big deal...after all my father worked there for 30 years and my grandfather 25 years of service before and during that. But I'm not colored nor do I have tits or a military record. GOOOOOD reasons to keep me out of a job that runs back with 55 years of family history! :mad:

So you're actually saying that no discrimination towards job applicants is a bad thing?

I hope you mean you're against positive discrimination (where people are given jobs because they belong to a minority, not because they are best for the job.) Vveryone that works in MacDonalds in London seems to be black and foreign... that kind of thing irritates me, but I don't see how a lack of discrimination is bad.

[Psycho4Bud]

Discrimination is discrimination no matter what your color, gender, etc. To have a law set up that makes it legal to say strait up that your a non vet white male to bad is discrimination and a bad law!

[Kombucha]

I realise that, and as I said, I don't like any form of discrimination. But the law says that there should be NO discrimination, so it's clearly not a problem with the law.

[Euphoric]

ok..install Bible Thumping v. 1.0, Mindrot v. 2005, Flag Waving Star Spangled Banner (virus)...hmm..this wont take long. does anyone have C++? :confused:

[BlueCat]

ok..install Bible Thumping v. 1.0, Mindrot v. 2005, Flag Waving Star Spangled Banner (virus)...hmm..this wont take long. does anyone have C++? :confused:

EWW what are you gonna do with it once you make it? LMFAO

[Kombucha]

EWW what are you gonna do with it once you make it? LMFAO

Maybe what most Americans do... vote for it.

[Euphoric]

Maybe what most Americans do... vote for it.

hhhhhhhahaha

[pisshead]

for all the stereotypers, rest assured, bush loves big government and dead babies and making guns illegal, all kinds of welfare, the biggest department of education you could imagine...the list goes, just like any other democrat.

bush is basically a socialist with an R next to his name.