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XTC
05-16-2005, 02:39 AM
by Sheldon Richman, October 6, 2004

President Bush??s little-publicized New Freedom Commission on Mental Health has proposed comprehensive mental-illness screening for all Americans. If this proposal is carried out, which is Bush??s intention, no adult or child will be safe from intrusive probing by ??experts,? backed by drug companies, who believe that mental illness is woefully underdiagnosed and therefore that many millions of people ought to be taking powerful and expensive psychiatric drugs. Schools and doctors?? offices will become quasi-psychiatric monitoring stations.

Rep. Ron Paul of Texas tried to forbid the federal government from funding mental-health screening, but the House turned down his amendment to the appropriations bill for the Department of Health and Human Services. Paul, a physician, said the program was a usurpation of parental rights, pointing out that parents can already be charged with child abuse for refusing to give their children Ritalin for alleged attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. He said, ??Psychotropic drugs are increasingly prescribed for children who show nothing more than children??s typical rambunctious behavior. Many children have suffered harmful effects from these drugs.?

Another physician, Karen Effrem, also opposes the plan: ??Universal mental-health screening and the drugging of children, as recommended by the New Freedom Commission, needs to be stopped so that many thousands if not millions of children will be saved from receiving stigmatizing diagnoses that would follow them for the rest of their lives. America??s school children should not be medicated by expensive, ineffective, and dangerous medications based on vague and dubious diagnoses.?

People wrongly assume that psychiatric diagnoses are like medical diagnoses. They??re not. Medical diagnoses are ultimately based on objective biological evidence. Psychiatric diagnoses, as retired psychiatry professor Thomas Szasz shows, are based on what people say and do. This means that such diagnoses are moral and political, not medical, judgments. It begs the question to say that brain science is still in its infancy: Why is one kind of behavior interpreted as a sign of mental or brain disease but not another kind? Besides, Szasz writes, behavior has reasons not causes. That principle is at the very core of what we mean by personhood. (Brain-scan technology cannot refute this principle because it does not identify causes of behavior. Correlation is not causation.)

Thus the New Freedom Commission recommendation that everyone be screened for mental illness whenever he goes to the doctor and that children be monitored for mental illness in the government??s schools is simply a plan to stigmatize people for ??inappropriate? behavior and speech. It is also a plan for the widespread drugging of adults and children under government supervision. Besides the Huxleyian aspects of this idea, there is also reason to fear improper influence by drug companies.

Allen Jones, formerly of the Pennsylvania Office of Inspector General, revealed that a similar program was started in his state after drug companies curried favor with state officials. According to the British Medical Journal, ??In July 2002 Mr Jones was appointed lead investigator when he uncovered evidence of payments into an off-the-books account. The account, earmarked for ??educational grants?? was funded in large part by Pfizer and Janssen Pharmaceuticals. Payments were made from the account to state employees who developed formulary guidelines recommending expensive new drugs over older, cheaper drugs with proved track records. One of the recommended drugs was Janssen??s ... Risperdal ?? a drug that has recently been found to have potentially lethal side effects.?

In a statement last January, Jones said, ??The industry was influencing state officials with trips, perks, lavish meals, transportation to and first-class accommodations in major cities. Some state employees were paid honorariums of up to $2,000 for speaking in their official capacities at drug-company??sponsored events.?

Jones was relieved of his duties after blowing the whistle. In court papers challenging the state??s move he said the government was attempting to ??cover up, discourage, and limit any investigations or oversight into the corrupt practices of large drug companies and corrupt public officials who have acted with them.?

The New Freedom Commission has gotten little publicity. One hopes that as Americans learn about its ominous proposal for wholesale mental-illness screening and psychiatric drugging of them and their children, they will vehemently object.

Sheldon Richman is senior fellow at The Future of Freedom Foundation, author of Tethered Citizens: Time to Repeal the Welfare State, and editor of The Freeman magazine.

Original Source (http://www.fff.org/comment/com0410b.asp)

A site that SUPPORTS! this Legislation (http://www.hhs.gov/newfreedom/)

XTC
05-16-2005, 03:04 AM
This is nuts. Bush is a truly the Devil in my eyes after this. It's like he wants to get rid of any kind of individualism. Your kinda shy? Take this pill. You talk to much. Take this pill. You're not good at math, we'll feed you this pill. I can't even believe this Bullshit. This pissed me off royally

pisshead
05-16-2005, 04:56 AM
this goes beyond bush...this stuff went on under clinton too...and will continue to go on after lord bush leaves office. we're on one path here towards dictatorship...the left and the right are both slowly leading us down that path.

here's more on the "new freedom"...there may be some repeats here...

http://www.newstarget.com/002566.html

http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/newfreedom_pettition.htm

http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/screen_population.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis14.htm

http://www.infowars.com/articles/brave_new_world/new_freedom_paul_amendment.htm

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/1772/No_Child_Left_Undrugged

http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/psch_schools.htm

http://www.wildestcolts.com/

http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/apa_proud.htm

enjoy the new freedom.

amsterdam
05-16-2005, 05:47 PM
hahahahahahahah.for people who bitch about religon soooooooooooooooooooooooo much,you guys love biblical references,even though three quarters of you have never read it.

pisshead
05-17-2005, 01:48 AM
bitch about religion? what are you talking about?

show me where i do that? this thread isn't even about that.

U4EUH
05-17-2005, 02:00 AM
shit man i been readin some a this shit on here and well
is it jus me or does this amsterdam guy jus throw out sum random shit and think hez makin a point?

pisshead
05-17-2005, 02:37 AM
i would say that's probably pretty close to correct, but i think he thinks he's trying to make a point...it usually involves the word liberal and bringing up something bill clinton did 5+ years ago.

Delta9
05-17-2005, 03:58 AM
Thats why you gotta make sure you tell your kids to act obedient in school so they don't stick out as "Ill". They don't want more "trouble makers" who don't conform.

Delta9
05-17-2005, 04:19 AM
You can see the authorities roll along in marked cars as all the high school kids get off at the bus stop. Big brother knows who's dealin', he can tell just by lookin'. He's a smart guy.

Delta9
05-17-2005, 04:23 AM
Big brother had one of those little talks with me. He made sure that I woulden't step out of line again, he made it clear to me, like when he made it clear to "cool-hand-luke". He want's to make sure that I don't "swerve" again.
Thats why I wan't you to take your medication.

Button Basher
05-17-2005, 11:48 AM
It's all pretty depressing but surely it'll never happen. I honestly can't imagine more then half the country agreeing to this. If it were forced upon the public, think of the outcry.

I'm struggling to find the religious reference myself. :confused:

amsterdam
05-17-2005, 01:25 PM
i would say that's probably pretty close to correct, but i think he thinks he's trying to make a point...it usually involves the word liberal and bringing up something bill clinton did 5+ years ago.


whatever makes you guys feel better.i just state the obvious,

coming from someone who only quotes childrens web-sites is funny to me.

pisshead
05-17-2005, 03:50 PM
It's all pretty depressing but surely it'll never happen. I honestly can't imagine more then half the country agreeing to this. If it were forced upon the public, think of the outcry.

I'm struggling to find the religious reference myself. :confused:that's why we're not a democracy, we're a republic. we've been turned into a democracy though.

if 51% of people said all black people should be slaves and it happens...that's a democracy. in a republic, that can't happen. if 99% of people said black people should be slaves, it couldn't happen.

it's sad that people think the solution to all their problems is in a pill they have to take for the rest of their life.

i would like to think there would be a huge outcry, but that's the nature of tyranny and propaganda...

i went to the holocaust museum in houston yesterday, and the whole time i was thinking, what stopped all the people on the trains from just rushing the guards. 200 SS officers forced over 300K jews out of a town to be murdered...how on earth could they let that happen?




How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the stair, but had understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? -the organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers- and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt. -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

pisshead
05-17-2005, 03:51 PM
whatever makes you guys feel better.i just state the obvious,

coming from someone who only quotes childrens web-sites is funny to me.
talk about a juvenile response. i know you are but what am i?

amsterdam
05-17-2005, 04:00 PM
LIKE I SAID,lol.what i said was nothing like that.

go read a book.i suggest some REAL literature like Walt Whitman.

pisshead
05-17-2005, 05:50 PM
i prefer poe, bradbury, gabriel garcia marquez, ambrose bierce, twain, shirley jackson...her story the lottery is a really good short story.

i like your assumption that i don't read though. i read 100 times more than i watch tv.

Marlboroman
05-18-2005, 06:57 PM
It's all pretty depressing but surely it'll never happen. I honestly can't imagine more then half the country agreeing to this. If it were forced upon the public, think of the outcry.

I'm struggling to find the religious reference myself. :confused:


You cant imagine that huh?.... niether can Bush, thats why they have Diabold.

mellow mood
05-19-2005, 01:28 AM
you kill 1 person, your a criminal, you kill 50,000 and your name's Bush.

jeez, Bush is the biggest asshole that could exist. im not even surprised...

U4EUH
05-19-2005, 01:36 AM
Fuck you man. I mean Bush may lie and be responsible for the deaths of thousands of women and children and soldiers but fuck man he's doing it for corporate gai...err...in the name of freedom and to protect us from the terrorists.

amsterdam
05-19-2005, 01:11 PM
corporate??how can you even debate such ignorant dribble??

no wonder no one is listening to your side.

pisshead
05-19-2005, 02:29 PM
yeah...uhhh, corporations dont' uhhh...exist...yeah!

fascism is uhhh....good...i like it...

amsterdam
05-19-2005, 02:35 PM
i didnt say corporations dont exist.

fascism??i will stick with capitalism.works for me.

U4EUH
05-19-2005, 10:45 PM
Well amsterdam, I would love to know how you feel about what has been presented but so far you havn't done much to show it to us.