General Detox - Reassurance needed

[SlinkyDinky]

So my story is that I have to get clean in order to be able to get tested negative and keep living my life on the outside.

I'm a lab medicine graduate who believes that not all weed smokers are good for nothing criminals. Unfortunately, I live in a country where smoking up can lead you and plenty of your friends to spend your 20's in a rape pen.

What I've gathered from my brief Googling and lab related knowledge, is what Im going to present to you. (both in order to help you know what's the deal with all the myths around, and to incur your help if I'm wrong about anything, due to my lack of experience in this specific domain)

Here's my specific information right off the bat.

I'm a 22 year old male, high metabolism, around 125 pounds (56-58 kilos), 5"7 (175cm). Very heavy smoker (~6g of quality hash every day, non stop, for around 3-4 years now).

I'm going to give my research-aided, professional opinion about some of the common methods being thrown around to help get clean the old-fashioned way (no substitution or dilution), what I need the reassurance in is how long you would think a person like me would need to get below the 50ng cutoff of most strip based tests, and if there's anything wrong with what I'm saying.

Drinking lots of water/cranberry: I'm sure most of you know that THC is a fat-soluble molecule (meaning it hides out in your fat cells, i.e the fat coating your organs, your abdominal fat...etc) that gets excreted at a certain rate from your body through your liver/kidneys. While drinking a lot may give you the illusion that you're pissing away all the THC fast, all you're doing is overworking your system without affecting total THC levels any differently. GFR (golemrular filtration rate..the rate at which your kidneys filter a specific molecule in your body) is independent of urine flow (basic clinical chemistry). Basically, it doesn't do squat.

Niacin: Another full blown myth that I haven't found any proper scientific research giving merit to it helping clear your body of THC. The term "flushing" which you may encounter when reading about it, is merely a lesser serious case of blushing (redness of the skin).

Sauna/Steam bath: A lot of dispute over this. Based on the research I've read on the presence of THC metabolites in excreted sweat, I can say that - at best - a week of sauna might help you flush out a minimal amount of THC through sweat. After a week, the amount excreted is negligible. Overall, It's not a reliable method in the least (keep in mind sweating is a mechanism for cooling, not the transformation of fat into excreted water), but might help give you relaxation, and shave off a few hours from your detox time.

Green Tea/Caffeine: Caffeine and caffeine-containing beverages can raise your metabolism, which might help you clear your system at a slightly faster rate. Don't go chugging liters of that stuff until you're a shivering mess. Regular consumption is OK.

Aerobic Exercise: The gold standard of naturally eliminating THC from your system. Raises your metabolism, increases fat turnover. Running 2-3 miles a day, and staying sufficiently hydrated is essential.

Commercial Products: Excellent if you want to eliminate all excess cash from your wallet. Think about it; if there's a product that would help you lost fat, and in turn lose THC metabolites from your system, everybody would be fighting over it to lose weight. It would be a multi-billion dollar industry in itself.

Diet Change: Eliminating fatty foots from your diet is essential, because you're attempting to get rid of the fat already present in your system. Don't starve yourself, but stay below the caloric intake necessary to maintain your weight. Go on a vegetarian diet, no carbs, no fats.

This is what I've gathered so far concerning this issue. What I want to ask if is if my information is solid, and how much you think it would take me to flush the THC out of my system naturally. I went full vegetarian, completely stopped smoking, running twice a day (total of 2-3 miles), staying hydrated, and drinking some coffee and juice here and there.

Thank you for your time and effort. All the best.

[halo09]

Hey Slinky.

Your information is pretty much spot on. So spot on in fact, it should probably be stickied here in the forums.

Before we got started, when is your testing date?

As for a timeline estimate from me or from anyone else, it would be nothing but that, an estimate. In the game we are playing, putting all your stock in estimations won't get you far. You absolutely do have a couple things going for you though. These being your age, weight, metabolism, and knowledge regarding the subject.

What you don't have going for you is your amount of consumption. The amount of time it takes for someone to get clean varies greatly, as I'm sure you've read. Unfortunately, with chronic use, that window can grow to great extremes (on both sides of the scale.)

There really is no way to determine how long it will take you. There just isn't unfortunately. But the good news is, you do have several options :thumbsup:

1. Start testing yourself with home strips. Immediately. First void of the day every morning. You can find strips for very cheap on Amazon. Find the highest rated ones you can find, and buy several different brands.

2. With a chronic user, provided you have the time and income, I would start plotting a graph off the quantitative results you can receive from mailing in your sample through a "FirstCheck" or going directly to a lab. This will be the only sure way to establish a baseline of your THC half-life timetable. Always using 1st morning voids. During this time, keep your diet and exercise as constant as possible. Sounds like you are on a good regimen, but stay consistent.

If you are unsure of what I mean by this, let me know and I will elaborate. Basically you will be plotting your results on a graph. On the y axis, plot your n/g per ml versus days since last consumption on the x axis. Being a man of science, you probably are aware consistency here is your friend. This all depends on your budget and personal timeline, but if you can, test yourself with the FirstChecks every 3-5 days. Every 3 days is great, every 5 days would be cheaper and not bad at all. Whatever you do, stay consistent with what you are doing.

There is no other way to accurately establish your personal half-life timetable than this, costly as it may be.

Hope I've helped, I frequent here quite a bit, I'll keep an eye on your thread.

[SlinkyDinky]

To be frank, I have a 30 day window wherein I can dodge calls and lay low. What I can't really do is order stuff from abroad due to the timetable I'm following (stuff can take up to a month to reach where I am), so the best thing I can do, to reiterate what you said, is follow the routine I'm currently following for at least 2 weeks, then see my levels to make sure if I should start packing up fat.

The only hindrance is the lack of accurate tests. By that I mean that there are only THC chromatographic strips with the normal cut-off of 50ng. Keep in mind that the police here have limited and cheap options, meaning they won't perform accurate/expensive methods, surely nothing hair or plasma related. They use almost the same strip that I'm using with the same cut-off. They're actually so ignorant that they only have 5 panel strips, which don't even test for creatinine concentrations to confirm that it's undiluted urine. But I like to be utterly sure when I go down there, due to the fact that I don't want to experience anal rape, ha, so I won't risk it on the dilution method.

Anyway, thank you for your input, I appreciate it. I will test every 5 days (I've been following the same regimen for 3 days now. Running, very limited diet.) and keep you guys updated on the results, in case they are of any help to anyone, be it through offering some peace of mind, or relatively reliable benchmark results.

[halo09]

I didn't realize you were outside the US.

Sounds like you have a pretty good system in the works. If you are able to use the same or very similar strips that the police are using, you are in business.

Keep testing yourself, first morning voids. If you have enough strips, test yourself as often as you can. Every single morning if possible. The sooner you start passing them, obviously they better off you'll be.

But overall you sound on top of things. Keep things consistent, when you keep exercising and start passing morning voids consistently, I definitely like your odds come time for the real deal.

When you are exercising daily and still passing, then on top of that adding that high fat and stagnancy days before the test, I definitely like your odds even more.

As for the creatine, no matter where the test is taken, I would never assume there won't be a specimen validity check on it. Ever. When it comes to actual Dilution, creatine loading will do nothing for you.

However creatine loading when you'll just be well hydrated for the test and not going for Dilution, is definitely recommended. Diluted and well hydrated are obviously very different things. Given that you've cut all meats out in your diet beforehand, I'd definitely say you need to be looking into upping your creatine substantially before the actual test, if for nothing else just to be on the safe side of things.

Again I hope you are right they won't be doing specimen validity checks, but I wouldn't bank on anything, especially given how much you have on the line. Often times, and more often than not, specimen validity is done on a separate panel altogether rather than on the 5/10 panel. You never know what they are doing in the backroom.

[SlinkyDinky]

I'm pretty certain they don't run specimen validity checks. All they do is have a guy go in with you to watch you pee, then they just put the 5 panel strip in the urine cup and test for the specific drugs they want to test for.

Anyway, thanks for the advice. I'll keep you guys updated on the progress.

[Burnt Toast]

Often times, and more often than not, specimen validity is done on a separate panel altogether rather than on the 5/10 panel. That was the case nearly a decade ago. But in recent years, "all-in-1" assays (in cassette, dip card, and EZCup configurations) have become widely used by the labs, particularly in non-DOT situations. These type of assays feature 5 (or ten) drug panels as well as the validity panels all in one kit, thus eliminating the need for any seperate assays to perform the integrity check. Largely due to the advent of these "all-in-1" kits and their relatively low cost (and getting lower), most DHHS-certified labs had made specimen integrity checks SOP in all urine drug tests.

John Q. Citizen can view/order these kits online by doing a Google search for "drug testing kits"

[SlinkyDinky]

So I thought I'd share my progress thus far if anyone's interested. I've included my diet, exercise regimen, and fluid intake. It goes without saying that I've completely stopped smoking marijuana.

Day 1 Detox: 1 mini burger, 4 tablespoons cooked peas with rice. 1.5L water. 30 minutes walking/jogging.

Day 2 Detox: Fruit cocktail, small bowl of lentil soup. 1.5L water. 60 minutes walking/jogging.

Day 3 Detox: 1 medium banana milkshake (light milk), fruit cocktail, 2 small bowls lentil soup. 2L water. 60 minutes walking/jogging.

Day 4 Detox: 1 plate lentils (with lemon, garlic, minimal amount of olive oil), 1L carrot juice. 1L water. 40 minutes walking/jogging, 30 minutes varying weightlifting exercise (no heavy lifting, promoting aerobic over anaerobic exercise).

Day 5 Detox: 2 small bowls vegetable soup (no potatoes), half a piece of cake, 1/2 plate lentils. 1.5L carrot juice, 1L water. 40 minutes walking/jogging, 30 minutes varying weightlifting exercise.

Starting day 7, I will start tracking weight loss. Starting day 10 I will start performing biweekly (twice a week, to avoid confusion) strip tests.

[halo09]

Sounds good man keep us posted!

One thing is for sure, people will be googling around searching drug forums for many years to come and your journal will no doubt help someone in the future. In whatever way it may be.

On behalf of all the persecuted, myself included, Your effort is appreciated.

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

[SlinkyDinky]

Update.

Day 6 Detox: 2 bowls veggie soup, half dessert, 1 medium-size plate peas. 1L water, 1.5L carrot juice. 50 minutes cardio, 10 minutes anaerobic exercise.

Day 7 Detox: 1 medium-size plate peas. 2L carrot juice, 1L water. 35 minute cardio. (took it a bit easy on this day to not over-overkill my system).

Total weight loss at Day 7: 2.5 kilos (5.5 lbs.)

Side/Body Effects: Sweaty palms, fluctuating body temperature (sweating one minute, cold the other. Wake up drenched). No problems sleeping (mainly because I'm convicted to this regimen, therefore eliminating the psychological dependence), vivid dreams. The hunger is a bitch, but what can you do. Cigarette smoking has shot up to +60%-120%. Slight mood swings. Occasional, light cravings. Urine flow last 3 days have been much better than in the initial phase (darker urine initially, lower urine output).