Unknown strains pics

[KeiserSozeh]

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These are a few pics of my girls. I don't really know where the seeds came from other than they were some good smoke for my area. The plants actually seem to be two different strains. These are both about 3 months old. One is quite a bit taller than the other one and is shooting off hairs everywhere even though its still on 18-6. The other is shorter and quite a bit bushier. I've taken clones and got them set in on about day 8 of flower (12-12) but still not seeing any hairs from the shorter one. I know it's impossible to tell precisely from just a couple pics, but does anyone have any ideas on what strains these might be?

Also, I've notice some yellowing on the bottom leaves, and a couple leaves have actually wilted and fallen off. I'm assuming this is a factor of light not reaching low enough, so I've rearranged things so I now have side lighting via 4' T5's. I've got 2 cool sets and one warm set. Will that help the wilting/yellowing?

[KeiserSozeh]

A little later, and the clone from the mother in picture 1 looks like this:297102297103

Mother 2 continues to shoot the hairs off every where, but has been overtaken in bud production by Mom 1 in the first 14 days of the flower cycle. Once she catches up, I'll try to up load some shots of that!

[KeiserSozeh]

Greetings again all!
Not that this is supposed to be a grow log, but I figure I'll add a couple more shots as the grow progresses. It's been just over three weeks since the last update and these clones still seem to be doing pretty well. Let me know what you think, and any ideas on the strains would be appreciated!

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These four pics are of the shorter bushier plant, that I've affectionately dubbed "Mama Bear". The bottom are the taller plant, which seems to have more, smaller buds. I've named her "Papa Bear".

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[smello1]

Nice

[Nonwoven29]

The bigger plant as some Tasty looking bugs forming. Second girl looks like she's Deficient in something like bits or something.

Looks good!

[KeiserSozeh]

Ty for the comments all!

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if something was off with a deficiency. So far, I've only used dirt, water, and light for these ladies with the occasional soil misting of neem oil to control some fungus gnats.

This will actually be the first grow where I'm going to be able to harvest something. My past experiences ended with me cutting things down before they were ready. That being said, once this is finished, I'll be evaluating things for improvement and more than likely start using nutrients and fertilizers because to me the buds, although looking nice, are turning out smaller than what I would have expected. Then again maybe it's the way I'm looking at things. In the pictures they do look bigger, so maybe when I'm looking at other stuff, I'm doing so with an enlarged perception.

[Weezard]

Patience my friend.
The waiting is the hardest part.
Those buds are just about to bulk up.
Long toed the 7th week, the calyxs swell, all at once.
Those buds should just about double in size in a very short time.

After they swell, yet more patience is required.
If you do not wait for at least a few "rusty colored" resin glands, you will be "leaving money on the table"
It's one thing to have plenty of resin glands, but their maturity is the major factor for their potency.

I jumped the gun on my first three grows.
One of my few regrets. :)

Aloha,
Weezard

[KeiserSozeh]

TY Weezard! Yeah, the waiting is killing me, lol.

If I remember correctly though, these are actually going into their 9th week on flower cycle. My date might be off a little, but I remember thinking I should be good to go come Feb. In any case, looking at the buds, I'm at about 50% red hairs but I'm not sure about the trichromes being milky yet. Probably should grab my magnifying glass and take a look, but I suspect I'm still about 2 weeks out. I've read that some strains take a little longer than others so I'm thinking I've just got some of the slower variety. At any rate, I'll post some more shots of these ladies in a few minutes!

[Weezard]

Exercising my patience . . . :D

[KeiserSozeh]

Here's some updated pics. Actually got a good crop this time that wasn't as blurry as normal, lol.

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[Weezard]

Looks like it leans toward Sativa alright.
And from the length and curlyness of the pistils, the big girl still has several weeks to go.
Those buds are not as plump as they are going to be.

Good job!
They may be a bit rootbound.
I say that because the chemistry is off.
I see Phosphorus, and Calcium lockout.
That usually means low PH.

But since you used no nutes, it is unlikely that it's getting low PH water.
And the Calcium sign is recent, (It's on the newer leaves), my guess is,
Shoes too small for the feet are hosing the chemistry.

The bottom leaves say that there are active fungus gnat larvae in the root-zone.
Without them, those gals would be larger and healthier.
Lay some dryer sheets on the soil surface and it bollixes hatching, and egg laying.
Breaks their life cycle without poisons or bad smells.
If you start with gnat free soil, the sheets will keep it from getting infested in the first place

Just my 2 cents.
Going to be an excellent harvest for all that. :)

Aloha,
Weeze

[KeiserSozeh]

Thanks again!

I'll give the dryer sheets a try.. I've been going through everything from Neem oil to H2O2 to alternating letting the soil completely dry out to try and kill those little f**kers.

[KeiserSozeh]

Hey Weezard!

The dryer sheets do seem to be working miracles. After placing them last night (1 sheet per plant, cut in half and placed on either side of the main stem) I have yet to see any soil activity today, and very few actual gnats flying around! Thanks so much for that tip, seems like exactly what I was needing!

[Weezard]

I just tear them half way through and slide 'em around the stem.
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Stops root aphids, mosquitoes, and yellowjackets too.
Anything that hunts by scent.
It won't kill off an ongoing infestation, but it does slow it down.

Un-infested soil stays clean, and it allows air exchange.
You can water through it, but I lift it up for watering.
No wanna knock down the scent.

Aloha,
Weeze

[KeiserSozeh]

Oddly enough, back during my first marriage, I worked at the factory that produces that cloth the dryer sheets are made from. Apparently there are only about a half dozen of these factories in the world. Due to some very specific air quality issues, these factories can only be placed in certain areas, and I just happen to live in one of these areas!

Hmm looks like I'm going to have to add more, I thought just a couple of pieces would do the trick, but you've got the entire container covered.

Any suggestions about what kind of soil to start with? I have recently switched to miracle grow... after the mess of gnats were discovered in a previous 'cheap' soil. Unfortunately, this particular batch of miracle grow seems to be infested as well which is something I hadn't seen before.

Also, is there anything I can do to the soil before planting that would kill these bastards? I've heard using H2O2 diluted at 1 to 4 parts water will kill the larvae. If I were to get my soil in advance and soak it down with the mixture, would that help?

[smello1]

:thumbsup:1st 4grows here:asskick:
Patience my friend.
The waiting is the hardest part.
Those buds are just about to bulk up.
Long toed the 7th week, the calyxs swell, all at once.
Those buds should just about double in size in a very short time.

After they swell, yet more patience is required.
If you do not wait for at least a few "rusty colored" resin glands, you will be "leaving money on the table"
It's one thing to have plenty of resin glands, but their maturity is the major factor for their potency.

I jumped the gun on my first three grows.
One of my few regrets. :)

Aloha,
Weezard