1st TIME GROW. GREEN CRACK CFL GROW.

[Indosmoke]

These are my green crack plants on these pictures there about 3 weeks from germination old
I'm running them on two cfls and with some reflective material296523296524296525

[Indosmoke]

So two of my plants have died.....one I woke up to a light on top of it
The leaves ended up falling,will the stem produce more? also started giving them
This

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[CaptainOrganicsCO]

So u are using voodoo juice, I read about it. Sounds like a fine product. i would brew in a tea probably with an airstone. So u are adding a microbial gardening team to your container, that's good, but then are u going to pour nutes and tap water into your container and kill off these microbes you payed good money for? It is important to know what the micro life likes. They like pure water and lots of organic matter to eat (and feed your plants). They don't like chelated synthetic salts. There are swindlers out there marketing organic based nutes. Crock of shit. It is either ALL natural or not, organic BASED means its bad. A scam. Think in terms of food service; can u have a vegan BASED soup? Start with all veggie products and just throw in one small meat product at the end? Nope. Now u have a NON vegan dish. Look into FF tiger bloom for example, read the label and google the stuff. Can it be OMRI certified? Now I don't know if u are even Intending to do an organic grow?( u should :) )

What kind of dirt are you using? What nutes?

Hope this stirs up some thought...

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

Also my friend, not to be a downer... But...
U gotta lose the tinfoil, and u need some more light!!!!!!
It's very early in your grow! U can still crush it. Make sure u have good air exchange in there. One computer fan for exhaust will do ya, cheap. Use passive intake, pulling air is efficient and effective for a small cabinet grow.

How this helps ya!

[Indosmoke]

So u are using voodoo juice, I read about it. Sounds like a fine product. i would brew in a tea probably with an airstone. So u are adding a microbial gardening team to your container, that's good, but then are u going to pour nutes and tap water into your container and kill off these microbes you payed good money for? It is important to know what the micro life likes. They like pure water and lots of organic matter to eat (and feed your plants). They don't like chelated synthetic salts. There are swindlers out there marketing organic based nutes. Crock of shit. It is either ALL natural or not, organic BASED means its bad. A scam. Think in terms of food service; can u have a vegan BASED soup? Start with all veggie products and just throw in one small meat product at the end? Nope. Now u have a NON vegan dish. Look into FF tiger bloom for example, read the label and google the stuff. Can it be OMRI certified? Now I don't know if u are even Intending to do an organic grow?( u should :) )

What kind of dirt are you using? What nutes?

Hope this stirs up some thought...

Are you suggesting I brew tea then mix it with the voodoo
Nutrients right now I'm just using the voodoo juice
I would loose the ton foil but I'm afraid that if I do then as little reflectivity it's doing
That it will all be lost....I'm planning on doing it all organic, I'm using
Basic organic mix

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

The tin foil will burn your plants like an oven. Spray white paint inside or hang Mylar or panda cloth.

What kind of h2O u using? What is in your "basic organic mix"?

Then ill tell ya about teas...

[d00g]

Hey man, listen to Captain if you want your plants to continue to prosper! Investing in some very minor yet important upgrades will help you, I know from first hand experience! First should be your reflectivity. Think about plants in a garden - without bright SUN, they will die. This is the same as those 2 CFL's in your cabinet, they represent the sun. If you install proper reflective material, it will almost mimic full sun on your plants. Older posts on this site state that Panda is the most effective/reflective (HA it rhymes) material for you. I have found this to be true - at only $1 per 1'x10' spans! For your small cabinet (like mine), it will cost you less than $20 to make the light vastly more effective - definitely worth it!

Make sure to list your supplies - soil, water type, ANY other useful info that can help the knowledgable, experienced growers on this forum help you out in any ways possible!

[Indosmoke]

What about if I have a mirror in there so it can be used instead of the tin foil

[d00g]

I have read that mirrors don't reflect the light correctly for plants. I'd really just grab some mylar or Panda if you're able.

[Indosmoke]

296711296712[quote=CaptainOrganicsCO]The tin foil will burn your plants like an oven. Spray white paint inside or hang Mylar or panda cloth.

What kind of h2O u using? What is in your "basic organic mix"?

[Indosmoke]

So I dicided to update all my fellow cannabis.com forum readers
There going to be a month old tomorrow(same shit) very dissapointed
On how much it grew but I well what can you do with cheap supplies..
On another note I decided to take CaptainOrganicsCO advice and removed
All tin foil.....next grow I won't let y'all down

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[d00g]

So I dicided to update all my fellow cannabis.com forum readers
There going to be a month old tomorrow(same shit) very dissapointed
On how much it grew but I well what can you do with cheap supplies.

Wait - those little sprouts are a whole month old? I feel like that's not even possible. They look about 1-2 weeks old, not a month. The soil that you are using appears to have good, natural nutrition that should support decent growth without adding anything else other than proper light/water/air. Are you using water from your faucet, distilled, purified, bottled water? Any other kind? Just FYI- if you use chlorinated water from your faucet, it will kill the GOOD bacteria that is found in that soil you use or any other added nutrients (chlorine kills bacteria). I buy gallon or 1.5 gallon jugs of reverse osmosis purified water from CVS near my house for around $1.10.

If you can buy the reflective material now, it is OK to take the plants away from the light for like 2 minutes at a time to put up sheets of the reflective into the inside of your cabinet/container, you really don't have to wait until next grow. Keep up the patience and keep reading for all different information related to air/water/light/nutrients that will surely help your plants grow and grow faster (with chemical additives or organically, as you intend). There is lots of information that will really help these undersized ladies.

[Indosmoke]

Wait - those little sprouts are a whole month old? I feel like that's not even possible. They look about 1-2 weeks old, not a month. The soil that you are using appears to have good, natural nutrition that should support decent growth without adding anything else other than proper light/water/air. Are you using water from your faucet, distilled, purified, bottled water? Any other kind? Just FYI- if you use chlorinated water from your faucet, it will kill the GOOD bacteria that is found in that soil you use or any other added nutrients (chlorine kills bacteria). I buy gallon or 1.5 gallon jugs of reverse osmosis purified water from CVS near my house for around $1.10.

If you can buy the reflective material now, it is OK to take the plants away from the light for like 2 minutes at a time to put up sheets of the reflective into the inside of your cabinet/container, you really don't have to wait until next grow. Keep up the patience and keep reading for all different information related to air/water/light/nutrients that will surely help your plants grow and grow faster (with chemical additives or organically, as you intend). There is lots of information that will really help these undersized ladies.

My theory on the undersized ladies is due to many factors.

1,just started feeding the roots the VOODOO JUICE.

2,WATER,basic bottled water,I however just started pre boiling my tap water for experiments I'm condoning on a single plant,Is buying the purified gallon or lt etc the best way to go as far as wanting PURE water?

3.LIGHTING,first had the CFLZ about 24inches to 6inches week 1-3 from the ladies.i know have them about 3inches,I'm wanting to add more light but choosing wisely.

4.CO2/COOLING,week 1-4 had the fan on just for temporary time,just started leaving it on regularly.

[Indosmoke]

The tin foil will burn your plants like an oven. Spray white paint inside or hang Mylar or panda cloth.

What kind of h2O u using? What is in your "basic organic mix"?

Then ill tell ya about teas...

TEAS,PM me or something let me know vary ways to try and
Improve on many different ways to produce better organically
Yields

[tlranger]

I've had luck with mirrors in the corners, kinda like the old phototron. But white walls are nice.

Lighting, need more.

Water, if you cannot catch nonacid rain water, distilled might be better than fancy bottled, your adding your own commercial stuff anyway.

Need Small fan inside to exercise them.

Teas, love them- but to make I go to garden, dig into the heart of compost pile and fill old pillow case(watch which one you choose), place in blue barrel(Apple cider container) and fill with collected rain water that I grow gold fish in, doesn't take long, will turn nice shade of Amber then I use that for my water.

At the beginning of grow log forum, think there is a sticky listing different things it might be helpful for us to know.

[Indosmoke]

I've had luck with mirrors in the corners, kinda like the old phototron. But white walls are nice.

Lighting, need more.

Water, if you cannot catch nonacid rain water, distilled might be better than fancy bottled, your adding your own commercial stuff anyway.

Need Small fan inside to exercise them.

Teas, love them- but to make I go to garden, dig into the heart of compost pile and fill old pillow case(watch which one you choose), place in blue barrel(Apple cider container) and fill with collected rain water that I grow gold fish in, doesn't take long, will turn nice shade of Amber then I use that for my water.

At the beginning of grow log forum, think there is a sticky listing different things it might be helpful for us to know.

Teas,you lost me there

[tlranger]

Soaks the good stuff out of compost, and suspendes it the water, which is ready for the plant or critters in the soil to usell

[Chromophore]

tlranger how much tea can you make in your system before the pillowcase "tea bag" should be replaced?

[Shovelhandle]

I can answer that one... when the compost won't stay in the sack for all the holes. Unless one likes to launder the sacks and rotate them with the linens.

[Shovelhandle]

....that the stuff in the sack needs replacing? Myself, I trow the soaked compost back in the pile and use a fresh sack full the next brew.

[tlranger]

Shovel right on target, as usual

[Indosmoke]

The more I keep searching, as well as reading other articles I keep
Convincing my self that I'm doing something wrong my plants look
Like there 2 to 4 weeks Into veggitation, but there almost 2months old
I think t his is because light deficiency, haven't had the chance to get
Mylar or any other reflective material, so I moved them from the bin I
Had them in and into a cooler, the cooler is all white inside,which I'm
Hoping that helps a little at least until I put up reflective material. Do
Any of you have some input as to what I can do to improve the light

[crystaliscious]

at least put a splitter on those bulbs and you can double your light for a few dollars.

When seeds 'pop' they are little newborns and they like lots of heat and humidity just like babies for a about 1-2 weeks, Then harden em off to the regular air and temps.

Tea's are the way to go! I have always kept an aquarium but I like the idea of some goldfish in my rain barrel - hadn't thought of that! Thanks!

[Chromophore]

Indo be careful using reflective materials. Mylar is good but foil, metal and mirrored surfaces can be bad. They reflect light unevenly and can burn your plants. Mirrors actually absorb light. A flat (not glossy) white surface is probably the safest, and works well.

[Indosmoke]

at least put a splitter on those bulbs and you can double your light for a few dollars.

When seeds 'pop' they are little newborns and they like lots of heat and humidity just like babies for a about 1-2 weeks, Then harden em off to the regular air and temps.

Tea's are the way to go! I have always kept an aquarium but I like the idea of some goldfish in my rain barrel - hadn't thought of that! Thanks!

A splitter? I was thinking of cutting up aluminum cans and building
temperate reflectors around the bulbs

[crystaliscious]

I wouldn't have thought of that- I am sure that you need a certain amount of lumens though- and they add up as you add bulbs- but not sure how many you can get with small cfls - Home Depot sells larger CFL's up to 150 watt that offer close to 5000 lumens ( i think - double check that number tho)

Let me know what you come up with- I made a homemade light that I am trying out - no reflector though - I was thinking a turkey pan, but it is foil….

the tea is just where people soak thier own compost in water - like a teabag in tea - and make thier own rich fertilizer. I subsitute aquarium water for tea most of the time but make tea in the spring for all the plants in the garden.
Nettle tea is excellent for seedlings- extrememly high in nitrogen and also in a way where the roots can accept it - pick young nettles, fill about 1/4 of a 5 gallon bucket with rain water if you have it- regular water if you don't. Let it sit overnight or a few days, strain and water the seedlings with it- very very very good for them- I have never lost a seedling that I have used this on - including some really rare Ayurvedic herbs...

[Indosmoke]

So with my two current cfls I had 23watt, 26watt I was right around 3500k.
Replacing the 23watt with 65 watts(daylight 6500k) this should make the
Girls very very happy

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[growdemon]

Indosmoke,

you shouldn't be pumping all those nutrients into your plants until they are at least 6-10 inches tall. this is why they look how they do
little seedlings are delicate and touchy, they need to evolve and grow before you feed them

and your buckets are way too big.. your watering the dirt, not the plant

[Indosmoke]

I went today to the store I bought the 65 watt cfl just to find out
They don't carry the socket nor the fixture it would fit, they did have this huge
Street light I'm talking about the big round onez, how the hell would I even run that
Into my household fittings, I guess I'll just have to wait until I find the appropriate 1

[growdemon]

dude all you need are 4-6 24w cfl's

get some Y splitters
done end of story

a big street lamp isn't going to make a magical fat bud appear

[Indosmoke]

4-6 24 watt, No need for all that I'm just going to buy an extended
Socket adapter so I can connect my 65 watt cfl 6500k from my regular extension,
End of story. I wasn't talking about a street lamp I was referring to the fixture,mogul base,
Fitting, whatever you want to call it that looks like a street light you would see outside
With the circle in and plastic around lol

[growdemon]

a 65w cfl puts out roughly 4000 lumen, but your light spread is limited, the trick to using cfl's is to create an array of light not a beam. so in theory you need several all laying the same direction spaced out about 4inches apart, and also at an angle. this is why Y splitters kick butt! they will perfectly angle the bulb, cfl emit light from the sides.

if you were to use more than 1 65w cfl that would be too much unless your flowering. (they would get hot so you would need proper cooling just like an HPS)
so you get more bang for your buck using 4 24w. and you can put them much much closer. anything past 45w almost gets too hot for the whole reason why lots of people use cfl's

4 24w cfl's will give you roughly 7000 lumen, which would be a combined 96w (for 4 bulbs) a 4 pack of these is about 10 bucks

1 65w bulb 20 - 30 bucks with only 3000-4000 lumen

1 45w bulb spits out about 2400-3000 lumen 8-10 bucks each

then if you really want to go extreme cfl. check out SunGod Lights Mini-Lotus 125 Watt 9,500 Lumens $69.00

or go hardcore :chainsaw: with a 600 watt high output HPS bulb emits 90,000 lumens


ok anyhow. pick your poison and do research there is a ton of information about cfl growing with charts & light spectrums, homemade rigs... ect ect. , everyone's needs and grow space are different.

[Indosmoke]

I come home with two new brand new CFL 4100k total 8200k
All happy since they have a medium base no need for no fittings,adapters
And all that other shit, just to find out that they don't function I plugged them in my
Cord just to look at them hang there no light.....I don't know why if there 120v I have a 150v max hold

[growdemon]

what kind of cfl? 65w take them back.

6500k color for vegg
2600k color for flowering

its that simple, personally I stay away from the big bulb cfl's, they get hot and defeats the whole purpose of cfl growing, my light rig doesn't use anything higher than 45w mostly 24w
ive got 8 24w & 2 45w with a combined 18,000 lumen...

[Indosmoke]

GROWDEMON, youre right all this waste of time for nothing
I just wanted to work with what I had in my reach. Yea I'm aware of
The 6500k veg 2600k flowering, see what I was trying to experiment
With was this thought I had

6500k Blue spectrum output, I figured since my girls are lacking light,
Instead of one bulb TWO wouldn't that give it a little help in growing taller,
Bigger?

But that's a big headache

[Indosmoke]

what kind of cfl? 65w take them back.

6500k color for vegg
2600k color for flowering

its that simple, personally I stay away from the big bulb cfl's, they get hot and defeats the whole purpose of cfl growing, my light rig doesn't use anything higher than 45w mostly 24w
ive got 8 24w & 2 45w with a combined 18,000 lumen...

Can you take pictures of ure light CFLZ and how you got them set up

[d00g]

I come home with two new brand new CFL 4100k total 8200k

Indosmoke - The 4100K on those lights, I believe, refers to the light spectrum, rather than the amount of light given off. 4100K is towards the "2600K color for flowering" that growdemon is trying to teach you about. There is no experimentation needed. Just buy the correct bulbs and save your money! The way you wrote it, as I quoted, makes it look like you are looking at these numbers as light given off, which can be seen as lumens on the box for the lights. Two 4100K spectrum lights are just that - two separate lights at the 4100K spectrum, not a combined 8200K spectrum light (which doesn't exist).

Check out the DIY and other Grow Log threads for lots of examples of CFL arrays that are very easy and inexpensive to make and wire.

[growdemon]

google images cfl grow lights

here is the light rig that I made

pvc pipe painted red for the hanger 7+ft tall
vanity mirror light socket which is a strip that, holds 4 bulbs, you have to wire it up yourself
thin bendable roll of sheet metal I cut to make a reflector
chain & chain hooks
Y splitters
8 24w bulbs
1750 lumen each
2600k color spectrum for flower
6500k color spectrum for vegging

there ya have it

[d00g]

Nice setup, growdemon. Looks like one of those pre-fab "T5 Grow Kit" setups they sell, that you have made yourself for probably at least 1/3 the cost of the ones in-box! You should paint your black velvet Dia de Lose Muertos posters :smokin:

[tlranger]

It does look artistic! Great job demon. Something to contemplate while on the throne.

[crystaliscious]

Have you heard of induction lighting???? Oh boy…Oh boy!

Have a look on google- Tesla invented it…..

[growdemon]

thx tlranger, d00g

induction lighting, yea I have a buddy with one. I haven't seen anything come from my friends yet that's better than my cfl output. A lot of mixed results, most of the cannabis growers ive seen try them end up going back to an HID 1/2 way thru flowering. but yea if you want to drop 1k on a good indogrow, actually I would lean more towards LED lights there are some really cool new models showing up
google. California Light Works , BUDmaster & Blackstar Chrome.. they are adding UVB cfl & T8 tubes to their LED panels. go figure. Im thinking to add some UVB cfl's
wonder if the pet store ones (reptile UVB bulbs) are good for plants, I guess a UVB light is a UVB light -eh..
budmaster has a DIY setup where you can buy modules which is kind of interesting.

but anyhow, this all cost too much for my blood.. I want free weed not expensive weed :rasta:

black star LED is claiming by turning on the UVB bulb for the last 6 hours of your flower cycle will increase resin & potency, the uvb light is wired for a separate timer.

[tlranger]

Demon, there may be multi reasons your friends don't compete, not just light.

[growdemon]

tlranger, yea for sure no doubt about that. Kind of like the grower that thinks a 2000w HID will magically make that monster Bud appear ;)

[Indosmoke]

Found this laying around

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Cleaned it up properly and added it to my lighting just as additional
Lighting

[Indosmoke]

2 MONTHS OLD

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[tlranger]

When switching light?

[Indosmoke]

What are you referring to tlranger

[tlranger]

Still looks like in veg, wondering when your going to bloom. So light time. Remember they are going to keep growing for awhile.

[Indosmoke]

I'm probably going to veg them until they get a descent size
Maybe once there about 50" or around that number

[d00g]

50" wow. I've never been around plants that large at the end of their total grow, let alone just the veg stage (yet). I hope you have a good ladder and high ceilings! It is going to smell very good in there.

[tlranger]

I'm probably going to veg them until they get a descent size
Maybe once there about 50" or around that number

Going to have some big girls for inside, better hunt for more lights.