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pisshead
05-13-2005, 10:39 PM
my brother used to be a border patrol..this went on long before the minutemen showed up.

Border Patrol told to stand down in Arizona

Washington Times | May 13 2005 (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050513-122032-5055r.htm)

U.S. Border Patrol agents have been ordered not to arrest illegal aliens along the section of the Arizona border where protesters patrolled last month because an increase in apprehensions there would prove the effectiveness of Minuteman volunteers, The Washington Times has learned.

More than a dozen agents, all of whom asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, said orders relayed by Border Patrol supervisors at the Naco, Ariz., station made it clear that arrests were "not to go up" along the 23-mile section of border that the volunteers monitored to protest illegal immigration.

"It was clear to everyone here what was being said and why," said one veteran agent. "The apprehensions were not to increase after the Minuteman volunteers left. It was as simple as that."

Another agent said the Naco supervisors "were clear in their intention" to keep new arrests to an "absolute minimum" to offset the effect of the Minuteman vigil, adding that patrols along the border have been severely limited.

Border Patrol Chief David V. Aguilar at the agency's Washington headquarters called the accusations "outright wrong," saying that supervisors at the Naco station had not blocked agents from making arrests and that the station's 350 agents were being "supported in carrying out" their duties.

"Border Patrol agents are the front line of defense against terrorism," Chief Aguilar said, adding that the 11,000 agents nationwide are "meeting that challenge, head-on ... as daunting a task as that may sound."

The chief -- a former head of the agency's Tucson sector, which includes the Naco station -- said that with the world watching the Arizona border because of the Minuteman Project, agents in Naco "demonstrated flexibility and resilience in carrying out their critical homeland security duties and responsibilities."

But Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican, yesterday said "credible sources" within the Border Patrol also had told him of the decision by Naco supervisors to keep new arrests to a minimum, saying he was angry but not surprised.

"It's like telling a cop to stand by and watch burglars loot a store but don't arrest any of them," he said. "This is another example of decisions being made at the highest levels of the Border Patrol that are hurting morale and helping to rot the agency from within.

"I worry about our efforts in Congress to increase the number of agents," he said. "Based on these kinds of orders, we could spend the equivalent of the national debt and never have secure borders."

Mr. Tancredo, chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, blamed the Bush administration for setting an immigration enforcement tone that suggests to those enforcing the law that he is not serious about secure borders.

"We need to get the president to come to grips with the seriousness of the problem," he said. "I know he doesn't like to utter the words, 'I was wrong,' but if we have another incident like September 11 by people who came through our borders without permission, I hope he doesn't have to say 'I'm sorry.' "

During the Minuteman vigil, Border Patrol supervisors in Arizona discounted their efforts, saying a drop in apprehensions during their protest was because of the Mexican government's deployment of military and police south of the targeted area and a new federal program known as the Arizona Border Control Initiative that brought manpower increases to the state.

The Naco supervisors blamed the volunteers for unnecessarily tripping sensors, disturbing draglines and interfering with the normal operations of the agents. They said that their impact on illegals was "negligible" and that civilians should leave immigration enforcement "to the professionals."

Several field agents credited the volunteers with cutting the flow of illegal aliens in the targeted Naco area, saying the number of apprehended illegals dropped from an average of 500 a day to less than 15 a day.

More than 850 volunteers, in a protest of the lax immigration enforcement policies of the White House and Congress, sought to reduce the flow of illegal aliens along a popular immigration corridor on the Arizona-Mexico border near Naco by reporting illegals to the Border Patrol as they crossed into the United States.

Their goal was to show that increased manpower on the border would effectively deter illegal immigration. Organizers said the protest resulted in Border Patrol arrests of 349 illegal aliens.

Area residents, in a half-page ad in the Sunday edition of the Sierra Vista Herald, told the volunteers: "Thanks for doing what our government won't -- close the border to illegal aliens. It was the quietest month we've had in many years ... You made us feel safe because the border was closed."

pisshead
05-13-2005, 10:41 PM
Border Patrol Takes Fire From Across Border

KRGV TV | May 13 2005 (http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/5/12/2682/Border-Patrol-Takes-Fire-From-Mexico)

SOUTH OF ALAMO - Border Patrol officers take fire from across the Rio Grande at the Santa Ana National Wildlife Refuge.

SOUTH OF ALAMO ?? Border Patrol agents come under automatic weapons fire from across the Rio Grande after finding a truck being loaded with drugs at the Santa Ana Wildlife Refuge south of Alamo.

No agents were injured in the exchange. All Border Patrol agents in the area, as well as all local law enforcement agencies responded to the scene. It is unknown if agents were able to wound their attackers across the border.

The attack came about 7 pm, as three Border Patrol units were patrolling when they noticed a truck being loaded with narcotics. When they moved in, that is when they started taking fire.

??As the agents moved into get a closer inspection of the area they encountered a narcotics load brought across,? said spokesman J.R. Villareal. ??Shortly afterwards (the smugglers) noticed the agent, and started taking shots from the Mexican side with automatic weapons.?

The attack occurred at the same spot where agents last Friday caught smugglers with 600 pound of marijuana.

The truck loaded with drugs managed to get away. It is an older model brown Ford Truck with a tarp covering the bed. Anyone with information is asked to call the Rio Grande Valley Sector office at 618-8163.

sensiskunk
05-13-2005, 10:45 PM
I live in Arizona, and all you see is illegals. Some actually had the nerve to boycott jobs because they werent getting paid enought, hmmm, i wonder why! The 'minuteman project' worked slightly, but caused more confusion than neccesary. Something has to be done about these illegal bombarding their way into AZ and other southern states. Soon, very soon, AZ will be over run with illegals and crime!

pisshead
05-13-2005, 10:50 PM
yeah, the whole south too. big corporations who have a lot to gain, and are busy fomenting a race war, while getting their pan american union. the goal is to open up the borders and destroy America's economy. coming next is a panamerican union currency, then a world currency. this is still a way's off in my estimation. this was outlined by CFR and other publications. they just say they're going to do this, decades in advance, and then it starts to happen...

they want to break up society and create crises so they can offer their solution. the higelian dialectic which pops up over and over and over. you create a crisis like a terror attack, stir up the masses (my god we've got to invade afghanistan and liberate them!), and then they do it.

they know most people are against the open border, while at the same telling mexicans that the south really belongs to them, and to populate it. we're all being told different things, and there's just layer after layer after layer of propaganda...

my brother used to be a border patrol agent...i've heard lots of stories.

sensiskunk
05-13-2005, 10:56 PM
Its kinda like sending job overseas, except in southern states. Companies are hiring illegals to work for shit money, becaue they know they will work no matter wat. GW is all for it, he doesnt care about the working class, he just wants mo' money. Thats why he encourages states to cut border patrol funding, which pisses me off personally. GW just gave a 140 Billion dollar tax break to the rich, again, and cut medicaid by 119 Billion, what a clueless moron!

pisshead
05-13-2005, 11:21 PM
speaking of jobs...we are being reduced to a third world country not by accident because those in power are morons, they are not.

America is Losing: More Phony Jobs Hype

Paul Craig Roberts | May 13 2005 (http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts05122005.html)

Careless journalists and commentators are hyping the 274,000 new April payroll jobs as evidence of the health of the US economy. An examination of the details of the new jobs puts a different view on the matter.

April's job growth is consistent with the depressing pattern of US employment growth in the 21st century: The outsourced US economy can create jobs only in domestic nontradable services.

Of the 274,000 April jobs, 256,000 were in the private or nongovernment sector, and 211,000 of these were in the service sector as follows: 58,000 in leisure and hospitality (primarily restaurants and bars), 47,000 in construction, 29,200 in wholesale and retail trade, 28,000 in health care and social assistance, 17,300 in administrative and support services (primarily temps), 11,700 in transportation and warehousing, 8,800 in real estate. A few scattered jobs in other service categories completes the picture.

Americans regard themselves as "the world's only superpower," but the pattern of American job growth in the 21st century is that of a third world economy. The US economy has ceased to create jobs in high tech sectors and in export and import-competitive sectors. Offshore outsourcing of manufacturing and of engineering and professional services is dismantling the ladders of upward mobility that made the American Dream possible.
Not only is the US economy creating third world jobs, according to analysis by Edwin S. Rubenstein (vdare.com, April 2, 2005), it is creating the jobs for Hispanic immigrants. Rubinstein examined job growth by ethnicity and found that Hispanics (13 percent of the work force) are gaining 60 percent of the new service jobs.

Rubinstein's findings are consistent with the racial composition one observes on construction sites, in fast food restaurants, in waste services and among hospital orderlies.

Until recent years American jobs had nothing to fear from
low-wage foreign labor. Americans' high pay reflected their high productivity from working with the most capital and best technology.

The collapse of world socialism and the rise of the high speed Internet forced Americans to compete head to head in the same global labor market with low wage foreign labor working with identical capital and technology. When US and European corporations move their manufacturing, research and development offshore or contract with offshore producers to supply the products and services that they market, the jobs and associated incomes are also transferred abroad.

Americans and Europeans cannot compete in labor markets with Chinese, Indians, and Eastern Europeans, because the cost of living in North America and Europe is so much higher. In addition, there is a vast excess supply of labor in China and India that overhangs the labor markets there and keeps wages low.

The claim by outsourcing's proponents that outsourcing creates new and better jobs for Americans is pure fantasy. This claim can find no support in job and income data. Moreover, the same incentive to outsource that is sending so many jobs abroad applies equally to any new replacement jobs.

The only American jobs that are safe are in domestic nontradable services that cannot be outsourced, and even in these domestic services, such as school teachers and nurses, foreign workers are being imported via work visa programs.

Outsourcing's proponents claim that it benefits corporations and their shareholders. This is true only in the short run. The substitution of foreign labor for American labor allows executives to reduce costs and increase profits, thus producing large bonuses for themselves and capital gains for shareholders. The long run effect, however, is to destroy the US consumer market and to reduce US corporations to a brand name with a sales force selling foreign made products to Americans employed in third world jobs.

Offshore outsourcing is a new phenomenon that has received little attention from economists, who mistakenly view offshore outsourcing as just another manifestation of the beneficial workings of free trade and comparative advantage. In fact, offshore outsourcing is the flow of resources to absolute advantage. Economists have known for two centuries that absolute advantage does not produce mutual gains. Unlike the operation of comparative advantage, absolute advantage produces winners and losers.

China and India are winning. America is losing. It is as simple as that.

sensiskunk
05-13-2005, 11:26 PM
Ill have to personally thank GW for doing such a great job with our economy!!

pisshead
05-13-2005, 11:27 PM
i know, things really are fantastic, aren't they? i think we should bring back slavery and debtor prisons...those are other signs of freedom.

sensiskunk
05-13-2005, 11:34 PM
LMAO, good point ya got there, lol! Make us feel free again! If youve ever been to Arizona, youll notice theres a fucking prison on every block, not literally, but pretty damn close! 75% of which are in there for drug use, and 40% of those 75 are in for marijuana, some BS! I'm not racist, but according to statistics in AZ, almost 1/2 of the ppl in prison are mexican, a lot of em illegal too. And, Arizona was rated the most dangerous state to live in, in 2004, while Texas came in 3rd. Which shows a direct correlation of illegals, to crime!

makor01
05-14-2005, 03:38 AM
well as long as there are message boards yall will be ok.

sensiskunk
05-14-2005, 03:52 AM
well as long as there are message boards yall will be ok.
That has no relevance, what point are you trying to make?

makor01
05-14-2005, 04:13 AM
i know, things really are fantastic, aren't they? i think we should bring back slavery and debtor prisons...those are other signs of freedom.
sarcasm to this ^^^^^^ :eek:

Hydrizzle
05-14-2005, 05:56 PM
There should be signs posted all across the border that anyoen seen walking the wrong way across this desert will be shot. Period... that might stop the illegals from crossing.... perhaps we should build a giant wall like Israel did....

sensiskunk
05-14-2005, 06:16 PM
There should be signs posted all across the border that anyoen seen walking the wrong way across this desert will be shot. Period... that might stop the illegals from crossing.... perhaps we should build a giant wall like Israel did....
Dude, these people cross underground, and over mountains, and through deserted deserts, so signs would be useless. Hopefully you were being sarcastic, otherwise i suggest you ponder up a new ingenius idea. And besides, the border patrol doesnt even have enough funding to make signs, and even if they did, do u really think the mexicans would care? Ive lived, and gone to school in Mexico, and i can personally tell you that there are more mexicans here, than in mexico, lol. Not literally, but it seems like it. i even had other american students in some of my classes, and the funny thing is, from my experiences, mexican schools are better than american schools!

Hydrizzle
05-15-2005, 02:54 AM
Well, sensei, the sign woudl be backed up by actual snipers. And they would not all have to be border patrol snipers... they could be vigalanted, like the Minuitmen, but with the permission to kill. I admit, the tunnels are a big problem... maybe they should take a closer look at building right next to the border, which have mexicans pouring out of it. It's a very solveable problem, but no politician has the gonads to even touch it.

sensiskunk
05-15-2005, 03:13 AM
lol, i like the sniper idea, but then that is kinda barbaric(new age). Mccain is the one of the only republicans that publicly said he disagreed with Bush's immigration agenda, so he has the 'gonads', just not the support of fellow politicians to follow through with stopping immigration. The only thing the border patrol needs is more funding, thus more agents, and more vehicles to scour the border, but unfortunately, the rich are getting all the tax money!